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Date: 05 Oct 2006 12:02:26
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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No? Thought so.
How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
about politics to another time and place?
OGC: I played a course Tuesday in Galena Illinois called "The General;"
it's part of the Eagle Ridge resort. Terrific course, the greens are
very fast--though not all that sloped--and it's a relatively tight course.
A few of the tees were on promontories, which led to a few terrific
elevation changes as well as spectacular views.
One hole, #14, supposedly drops 180 feet from tee to green, though I'd
have guessed more like 70 feet or so. There are a ton of switchbacks to
get down to the fairway from the tee.
Normally it costs something like $170 to play, but I was there on a
coupon deal for $55. I'd love to play it a couple more times to figure
out some more course management issues, but I doubt I'd play it for the
$170.
But for $55? A steal.
How'd I play? OK, I suppose. I shot an 81 from the whites, on a course
rated 71.9 with a 136 slope. But to do that I had to make a number of
longish putts from about 5 to 12 feet. No birdies. :) But on the
other hand, I sure putted well, once I dialed in the speed. It was
tough to get the ball close, to have it stick.
I'd love to have another crack at it, this time knowing the course,
where the trouble is, and being able to course-manage it better.
Mike
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 20:31:13
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> No? Thought so.
>
> How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
> about politics to another time and place?
>
> OGC: I played a course Tuesday in Galena Illinois called "The General;"
> it's part of the Eagle Ridge resort. Terrific course, the greens are
> very fast--though not all that sloped--and it's a relatively tight course.
>
> A few of the tees were on promontories, which led to a few terrific
> elevation changes as well as spectacular views.
>
> One hole, #14, supposedly drops 180 feet from tee to green, though I'd
> have guessed more like 70 feet or so. There are a ton of switchbacks to
> get down to the fairway from the tee.
>
> Normally it costs something like $170 to play, but I was there on a
> coupon deal for $55. I'd love to play it a couple more times to figure
> out some more course management issues, but I doubt I'd play it for the
> $170.
>
> But for $55? A steal.
>
> How'd I play? OK, I suppose. I shot an 81 from the whites, on a course
> rated 71.9 with a 136 slope. But to do that I had to make a number of
> longish putts from about 5 to 12 feet. No birdies. :) But on the
> other hand, I sure putted well, once I dialed in the speed. It was
> tough to get the ball close, to have it stick.
>
> I'd love to have another crack at it, this time knowing the course,
> where the trouble is, and being able to course-manage it better.
>
> Mike
>
>
The General flat out rocks!! I've played it like 5 times, and am
always in awe of the scenic beauty that is there. There are a couple
of holes that really can hand one their lunch, but a few that are just
fun to play. If memory serves, 18 is a nice medium length par 5 that
has a split fairway and a deep, deep bunker up by the green. Fun hole.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 18:59:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> Not only are the arguments unconvincing, they're also irrelevant to
> those who are outside the USA. I don't even know who Mark Foley is. Does
> he play golf?
>
I think I read he was a 7.5.
Or maybe that was one of his pages?
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 18:34:56
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
> any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
> Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
> about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
> group and its charter.
Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
proven here. We aren't all that way though.
> So please ... this group is international, not just American. US
> political issues are your own, not the world's. Give us non-US citizens
> a break from drivel.
>
> OGC: Played yesterday with a member who had just got back from a few
> weeks in Canada. Was very impressed by his round at Bigwin Island,
> although not so much by the price ... $C190. We both agreed that we
> could do without all the lavish but expensive service just to play a
> round at a good golf course.
We played some "fun" golf today. My partner and I played a match
against a couple of good friends of ours. 6 holes of alternate shot
(both hit drives and alternate from there), 6 holes scramble, and 6
holes better ball. We also paid closest to the pin (must be on the
green) in regulation. I've been playing some of the best golf of my
life for the past 3 months and played very well today. We cleaned up!
:-) Golf again tomorrow :-)
Bryan
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 02:00:33
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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damnyankee <bryanberguson@yahoo.com > wrote:
: Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
: proven here.
Please, stop going on about my good points, it's embarrassing. :)
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 22:40:17
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> No? Thought so.
> How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
> about politics to another time and place?
Well ... at least another place.
Not only are the arguments unconvincing, they're also irrelevant to
those who are outside the USA. I don't even know who Mark Foley is. Does
he play golf?
The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
group and its charter.
So please ... this group is international, not just American. US
political issues are your own, not the world's. Give us non-US citizens
a break from drivel.
OGC: Played yesterday with a member who had just got back from a few
weeks in Canada. Was very impressed by his round at Bigwin Island,
although not so much by the price ... $C190. We both agreed that we
could do without all the lavish but expensive service just to play a
round at a good golf course.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 18:50:55
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On Thu, 05 2006 22:40:17 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com >
wrote:
>Not only are the arguments unconvincing, they're also irrelevant to
>those who are outside the USA. I don't even know who Mark Foley is. Does
>he play golf?
I'm not sure, but he does putt from the rough.
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 13:32:42
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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"Mike Dalecki" <mike@clubdor.com > wrote in message
news:4oks58Ff0fjaU1@individual.net...
> No? Thought so.
>
Well, Bobby did say I was teachable. You ever golf over in MN Mike? I golf
NW Wisc. quite a bit in the Luck, Siren, Fredrick area. Cumberland CC once
in awhile as well.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 10:27:08
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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damnyankee wrote:
> Colin Wilson wrote:
>
>
> > The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> > world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
> > any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
> > Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
> > about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
> > group and its charter.
>
> Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
> proven here. We aren't all that way though.
>
Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
rural redneck country.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 22:47:44
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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johnty wrote:
>> Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
>> proven here. We aren't all that way though.
>>
> Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
> and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
> overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
> rural redneck country.
I have been to the USA too, although many years ago. I also found
everyone very friendly and helpful (... well, except the guy who stole
some stuff off me in Portland, Oregon, but that could happen in Melbourne).
But then, I've been to other countries, including the UK, France and
Indonesia, and they've been very friendly and helpful too.
I didn't say *all* or even *most* Americans were myopic, boorish and
loud, I said such behaviour here on r.s.g. just reinforced the
*stereotype* many in the rest of the world have. Unfortunately.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 17:50:28
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> johnty wrote:
>
>>> Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
>>> proven here. We aren't all that way though.
>>>
>> Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
>> and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
>> overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
>> rural redneck country.
>
> I have been to the USA too, although many years ago. I also found
> everyone very friendly and helpful (... well, except the guy who stole
> some stuff off me in Portland, Oregon, but that could happen in Melbourne).
>
> But then, I've been to other countries, including the UK, France and
> Indonesia, and they've been very friendly and helpful too.
>
> I didn't say *all* or even *most* Americans were myopic, boorish and
> loud, I said such behaviour here on r.s.g. just reinforced the
> *stereotype* many in the rest of the world have. Unfortunately.
>
funny thing about Portland, OR...the only place that I've ever had
anything stolen from me...car broken into
Nuke 'em in Portland!
just kidding :)
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:01:13
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 6 2006 10:27:08 -0700, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
>and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
>overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
>rural redneck country.
Contrary to popular opinion, the rural south has some of the most
polite and considerate people in the US. The well-educated
Southerner's are much more sophisticated in terms of social graces
than their counterparts in the Northeast or West Coast. I just
finished working on a consulting project in a small town in western
North Carolina and the people were an absolute joy to work with.
In any case, anyone who writes things like 'Americans are ....."
obviously lacks any knowledge of America. It's very difficult to make
any generalizations about a heterogeneous population of 300 million.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 20:12:21
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On Fri, 06 2006 15:01:13 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com >
wrote:
> In any case, anyone who writes things like 'Americans are ....."
> obviously lacks any knowledge of America. It's very difficult to make
> any generalizations about a heterogeneous population of 300 million.
Agree totally. People who make generalizations just suck.
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:04:30
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 6 2006 2:27 PM, johnty wrote:
> damnyankee wrote:
> > Colin Wilson wrote:
> >
> >
> > > The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> > > world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
> > > any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
> > > Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
> > > about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
> > > group and its charter.
> >
> > Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
> > proven here. We aren't all that way though.
> >
>
> Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
> and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
> overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
> rural redneck country.
Where exactly are you currently???
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 09:01:54
From: Noons
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> Well ... at least another place.
hear hear!
>
> Not only are the arguments unconvincing, they're also irrelevant to
> those who are outside the USA.
Was anyone really "argumenting"? Sorry, missed it.
Sounded more like a bunch of old farts with nothing
else to do...
> The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
> any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
> Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
> about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
> group and its charter.
Bang on!
> So please ... this group is international, not just American. US
> political issues are your own, not the world's. Give us non-US citizens
> a break from drivel.
Funny: 4 or so years ago when I complained of exactly
the same, didn't hear a pip from anyone in support.
Must be the deodorant, definitely...
> OGC: Played yesterday with a member who had just got back from a few
> weeks in Canada. Was very impressed by his round at Bigwin Island,
> although not so much by the price ... $C190. We both agreed that we
> could do without all the lavish but expensive service just to play a
> round at a good golf course.
Starting to get that way over here as well. Getting
harder and harder to just find a reasonably priced
place where one of the following isn't happenning:
1- remodelation taking place with GUR all over.
2- greens with sand all over them.
3- greens so badly manicured balls bounce off while putting.
4- rough everywhere on the fairway: mostly lack of mowing.
5- unmarked Ts.
It's not like it's difficult...
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 08:34:09
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 5, 6:40 pm, Colin Wilson <nowh...@nospam.com > wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > No? Thought so.
> > How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
> > about politics to another time and place?Well ... at least another place.
>
> Not only are the arguments unconvincing, they're also irrelevant to
> those who are outside the USA. I don't even know who Mark Foley is. Does
> he play golf?
>
> The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud.
It surely can be embarassing at times.
At risk of being bitch slapped by the RSG commentator, a few of "U.S."
apologize.
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 04:20:43
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 5, 10:00 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> damnyankee <bryanbergu...@yahoo.com> wrote:: Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
> : proven here.
>
> Please, stop going on about my good points, it's embarrassing. :)
I wasn't talking about you Chris, you're not loud.... :-)
Bryan
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 19:24:41
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Jack Hollis wrote:
> On 6 2006 15:38:44 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >We didn't run into any of the New Yorkers that I was "expecting" to see
> >and I've changed my way of thinking about New Yorkers.
>
> As someone who was born and raised in NYC, I think that most people's
> ideas about NYC are a lot different from reality.
>
> NY is not, and never has been, a high crime city. Last I looked it
> was #27 among major US cities in per-capita homicide. Many tourists
> won't ride the subway for fear of being killed. Back when I was in
> grad school, I lived in Manhattan and was working in the Bronx and
> Queens. I spent around 20 to 25 hours a week on the subway for the
> better part of three years. I was never the victim of a crime, in
> fact, I never even saw a crime. And my trip from Manhattan to the
> Bronx. and back, went through some interesting neighborhoods.
>
> My biggest gripe with native New Yorkers, is that they tend to
> complain about everything. You learn quickly to start complaining
> first so you wont have to listen to the other guy's sob story. Most
> New Yorkers are happy to help tourists unless they happen to be in a
> big rush or something.
>
> NYC is a great town.
>
> I've been traveling on business all over the US for almost 25 years.
> I've been in every major US city and in countless medium size and
> small towns as well.
>
> Over the years, I've grown to like the South. I just find the
> Southerners to be mostly nice people. Not at all like the image
> people have of them.
We loved NYC and would love to get back there someday. I rode the
subway to and from class everyday and never once felt threatened.
Granted, we never left Manhattan but hey, we were only there 6 days.
We *almost* ran out of things to do but not quite. :-)
I've never spent any time in the South but I did spend 6 weeks with
some great southerners! I seen exactly the kind of personality that
you are talking about and I now have very good friends in North
Carolina, Mississippi, and Kentucky. They nicknamed me "Damn Yankee
Bastard" in jest of course. At least I think it was in jest..... :-)
Jim from Mississippi and I became pretty good friends. We knew each
other for a couple of days and I'd told him "Jim, you know why I like
you? Because you're from Virginia"! Imagine a slow Southern drawl
"But I'm not from Virginia, I'm from Mississippi". So I said "I'm
sorry, my mistake". and I turned and walked away. I was Damn Yankee
Bastard from that point on. Some day were going to make a road trip to
see those boys.
Bryan
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 00:46:18
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 6 2006 19:24:41 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>I rode the
> subway to and from class everyday and never once felt threatened.
My only problem with NYC is that I'm freaked by the people who do what
I used to when I lived there!
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:38:44
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Jack Hollis wrote:
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the rural south has some of the most
> polite and considerate people in the US. The well-educated
> Southerner's are much more sophisticated in terms of social graces
> than their counterparts in the Northeast or West Coast. I just
> finished working on a consulting project in a small town in western
> North Carolina and the people were an absolute joy to work with.
>
> In any case, anyone who writes things like 'Americans are ....."
> obviously lacks any knowledge of America. It's very difficult to make
> any generalizations about a heterogeneous population of 300 million.
Now Jack, please don't correct someone on writing things like
"Americans are..." in the paragraph after you state that "their
counterparts in the Northeast or West Coast." You just did what they
did. I live in the Northeast, rural Northeast. 4 hours from New York
City, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
I'm guilty of stereotyping myself. I thought New Yorkers were the
rudest bunch of assholes in the country. I didn't know any, but I
believed it anyway based on what I had learned from other people and
TV.
In 2000, my wife and I were headed to New York City for a computer
class (for me) with the classroom being on the 55th floor of One World
Trade Center. (Yeah, it was really cool!) We had stopped for lunch
along Route 80 and a Benz with a Manhattan license plate holder pulled
in in front of us. Having never driven into the city, we were planning
on taking "The Tunnel" but were unsure if this was the best route. I
thought, heck I'll check with those guys that live there. They were
very pleasant and gave us directions across one of the bridges (can't
remember the name) and a route that put us within a block of our motel.
Our first day there, a Sunday, we did the tourist thing and went to The
Statue of Liberty and to the top of The World Trade Center. We decided
to take the subway back and being unsure of what train to take we asked
a New Yorker if he could help us. He said "Where are you going?"
After we told him he said "Hey, I'm going that direction myself and
you'll take the same train as me, come with me and I'll make sure you
get off at the correct stop." And he did.
Another occasion we asked a doorman of a different hotel where
something was and took the time to take us out to the street so he
could point to what we were looking for. He also told us about some
other things that were going on that would be worth seeing. He wasn't
looking for a tip either, just being friendly to tourists.
I was on the subway coming back from my class one day. A couple from
Detroit was having the same problems with directions that my wife and I
had earlier. There were a couple of younger guys standing next to them
having their own conversation and seemingly ignoring the couple from
Detroit. A lady sitting next to me overheard them talking and helped
them with maps and the stops. She got off a couple of stops latter.
When we got to the stop for the Detroit couple, one of the young men,
tapped the husband on the shoulder and said "This is the stop you
want."
We didn't run into any of the New Yorkers that I was "expecting" to see
and I've changed my way of thinking about New Yorkers. Oh sure, I know
there are some that I'm sure are real pricks, but I know of a couple of
people at my club that would challenge any of them in the "prick"
department. I'm sure there were some of the same in the little town in
the South you were in as there are in every other place in......the
world.
Played golf today in 50 degree weather. 5 layers did not make for a
good round but I can't blame the cold.... I shot 88 while 2 retired
guys shot 77 and 79. The 77 was the first time he'd seen my home
course. They were just as cold as me!
Bryan
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 21:32:03
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 6 2006 15:38:44 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>We didn't run into any of the New Yorkers that I was "expecting" to see
>and I've changed my way of thinking about New Yorkers.
As someone who was born and raised in NYC, I think that most people's
ideas about NYC are a lot different from reality.
NY is not, and never has been, a high crime city. Last I looked it
was #27 among major US cities in per-capita homicide. Many tourists
won't ride the subway for fear of being killed. Back when I was in
grad school, I lived in Manhattan and was working in the Bronx and
Queens. I spent around 20 to 25 hours a week on the subway for the
better part of three years. I was never the victim of a crime, in
fact, I never even saw a crime. And my trip from Manhattan to the
Bronx. and back, went through some interesting neighborhoods.
My biggest gripe with native New Yorkers, is that they tend to
complain about everything. You learn quickly to start complaining
first so you wont have to listen to the other guy's sob story. Most
New Yorkers are happy to help tourists unless they happen to be in a
big rush or something.
NYC is a great town.
I've been traveling on business all over the US for almost 25 years.
I've been in every major US city and in countless medium size and
small towns as well.
Over the years, I've grown to like the South. I just find the
Southerners to be mostly nice people. Not at all like the image
people have of them.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 07:09:38
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to rsg regulars for
starting a sub-thread with positive and well meaning comments about
American people, which has led to a riot of inflammatory positivism
being directed all all sorts of social groups.
I understand that this is not tolerated on here and that the rsg
philosophy is "if you can't say something nice, then welcome!"
I will rejoin the throng of hatred forthwith.
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Date: 08 Oct 2006 07:03:44
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Thor wrote:
> On 6 2006 2:27 PM, johnty wrote:
>
> > damnyankee wrote:
> > > Colin Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The political posters perfectly reinforce the stereotype the rest of the
> > > > world has of Americans as being myopic, boorish and loud. I haven't seen
> > > > any of the Australian-based posters going on and on about Howard and the
> > > > Liberals, Beazley and Labor, nor any of the UK-based posters raving on
> > > > about Blair and Cameron. They have more respect for the aims of this
> > > > group and its charter.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately Colin, many Americans are myopic, boorish and loud, as
> > > proven here. We aren't all that way though.
> > >
> >
> > Indeed not -- well, except the myopic bit. I'm currently 'over here'
> > and I haven't come across even one person who hasn't been polite,
> > overwhelmingly helpful, and generous, and I'm right in the middle of
> > rural redneck country.
>
>
> Where exactly are you currently???
>
Just outside Atlanta, to the east on I-20.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 03:17:59
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 8--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Just outside Atlanta, to the east on I-20.
Conyers? Covington? Social Circle? Reynold's Plantation?
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bill-o <-- NW of ATL out I-75
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 08:56:15
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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bill-o wrote:
> On 8--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Just outside Atlanta, to the east on I-20.
>
> Conyers? Covington?
>
Pretty close. Oxford
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 08:55:05
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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annika1980 wrote:
> johnty wrote:
> > >
> > > Where exactly are you currently???
> >
> > Just outside Atlanta, to the east on I-20.
>
> Have you played Hard Labor Creek yet?
Going there tomorrow. Any tips?
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 16:32:54
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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On 9--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > Have you played Hard Labor Creek yet?
>
> Going there tomorrow. Any tips?
Enjoy the greens, they were re-done last year with a hybrid Bermuda and are
getting rave reviews from all I've spoken with.
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bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 06:24:47
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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johnty wrote:
> >
> > Where exactly are you currently???
>
> Just outside Atlanta, to the east on I-20.
Have you played Hard Labor Creek yet?
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Date: 10 Oct 2006 19:22:52
From: johnty
Subject: Hard Labour Creek (Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?)
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bill-o wrote:
> On 9--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Have you played Hard Labor Creek yet?
> >
> > Going there tomorrow. Any tips?
>
> Enjoy the greens, they were re-done last year with a hybrid Bermuda and are
> getting rave reviews from all I've spoken with.
Report on Hard Labor Creek:
Ok, first, I've spelled it the American way this time. I'm not giving
a blow-by-blow account of a mundane round -- there's already a regular
poster on here who has the copyright to bore everyone rigid with that
approach.
My Score? I'd guess around 75.[1]
The place was almost deserted -- i played alone and encountered no-one
in front of me for my 1 hr 15 mins first nine. This is fortunate
because I didn't have to share the embarrassment after having hit a
fine first drive, scooting off and hearing an loud thud behind me.
When I looked back, there was my bag and assorted gear strewn across
the cart path about twenty yards back. So now I know how to fasten
those straps properly. Various other 'spot the limey' errors followed,
such as constantly getting in the cart on the passenger side and
wondering why the steering wheel was over there.
90 degree rule? No problem, the temperature probably didn't get above
80 I reckon.
I only met up with two groups on the second nine, who both kindly waved
me throughat the first opportunity - total time for 18 holes: 2hrs 30.
Oh, for it to always be this way.
The greens, as predicted, were absolutely superb. They had just been
top dressed today but nevertheless were very fast indeed and usually
three or four excellent putts were enough on each green [2].
I had a couple of bad holes (7 and an 8), but played well otherwise.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.. Nice people, nice place. I'll be back there
next year.
[1] But that is a very poor guess.... The scorecard reckons I was dead
on my 17 handicap
[2] Plagiarising PG Wodehouse there.
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 04:53:39
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hard Labour Creek (Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?)
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On 10--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I thoroughly enjoyed it.. Nice people, nice place. I'll be back there
> next year.
Glad you enjoyed yourself! If you don't mind some company next year give us
a shout!
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bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 05:57:39
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Gordo wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > No? Thought so.
> >
> > How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
> > about politics to another time and place?
> >
> > OGC: I played a course Tuesday in Galena Illinois called "The General;"
> > it's part of the Eagle Ridge resort. Terrific course, the greens are
> > very fast--though not all that sloped--and it's a relatively tight course.
> >
> > A few of the tees were on promontories, which led to a few terrific
> > elevation changes as well as spectacular views.
> >
> > One hole, #14, supposedly drops 180 feet from tee to green, though I'd
> > have guessed more like 70 feet or so. There are a ton of switchbacks to
> > get down to the fairway from the tee.
> >
> > Normally it costs something like $170 to play, but I was there on a
> > coupon deal for $55. I'd love to play it a couple more times to figure
> > out some more course management issues, but I doubt I'd play it for the
> > $170.
> >
> > But for $55? A steal.
> >
> > How'd I play? OK, I suppose. I shot an 81 from the whites, on a course
> > rated 71.9 with a 136 slope. But to do that I had to make a number of
> > longish putts from about 5 to 12 feet. No birdies. :) But on the
> > other hand, I sure putted well, once I dialed in the speed. It was
> > tough to get the ball close, to have it stick.
> >
> > I'd love to have another crack at it, this time knowing the course,
> > where the trouble is, and being able to course-manage it better.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> The General flat out rocks!! I've played it like 5 times, and am
> always in awe of the scenic beauty that is there. There are a couple
> of holes that really can hand one their lunch, but a few that are just
> fun to play. If memory serves, 18 is a nice medium length par 5 that
> has a split fairway and a deep, deep bunker up by the green. Fun hole.
Thought I'd mention (since I'm speaking to myself) that I'm a fan of
all the courses at Eagle Ridge in Galena. Thanks and have a nice day.
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 12:49:58
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?
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Gordo wrote:
> Gordo wrote:
> > Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > > No? Thought so.
> > >
> > > How about we get back to talking about golf, and leave all the arguing
> > > about politics to another time and place?
> > >
> > > OGC: I played a course Tuesday in Galena Illinois called "The General;"
> > > it's part of the Eagle Ridge resort. Terrific course, the greens are
> > > very fast--though not all that sloped--and it's a relatively tight course.
> > >
> > > A few of the tees were on promontories, which led to a few terrific
> > > elevation changes as well as spectacular views.
> > >
> > > One hole, #14, supposedly drops 180 feet from tee to green, though I'd
> > > have guessed more like 70 feet or so. There are a ton of switchbacks to
> > > get down to the fairway from the tee.
> > >
> > > Normally it costs something like $170 to play, but I was there on a
> > > coupon deal for $55. I'd love to play it a couple more times to figure
> > > out some more course management issues, but I doubt I'd play it for the
> > > $170.
> > >
> > > But for $55? A steal.
> > >
> > > How'd I play? OK, I suppose. I shot an 81 from the whites, on a course
> > > rated 71.9 with a 136 slope. But to do that I had to make a number of
> > > longish putts from about 5 to 12 feet. No birdies. :) But on the
> > > other hand, I sure putted well, once I dialed in the speed. It was
> > > tough to get the ball close, to have it stick.
> > >
> > > I'd love to have another crack at it, this time knowing the course,
> > > where the trouble is, and being able to course-manage it better.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > The General flat out rocks!! I've played it like 5 times, and am
> > always in awe of the scenic beauty that is there. There are a couple
> > of holes that really can hand one their lunch, but a few that are just
> > fun to play. If memory serves, 18 is a nice medium length par 5 that
> > has a split fairway and a deep, deep bunker up by the green. Fun hole.
>
>
> Thought I'd mention (since I'm speaking to myself) that I'm a fan of
> all the courses at Eagle Ridge in Galena. Thanks and have a nice day.
Not too fond of the Galena Golf Club though. Tricked up greens, too
many putts.
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Date: 11 Oct 2006 12:36:35
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Hard Labour Creek (Re: Anyone convinced by all these political arguments?)
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bill-o wrote:
> On 10--2006, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thoroughly enjoyed it.. Nice people, nice place. I'll be back there
> > next year.
>
> Glad you enjoyed yourself! If you don't mind some company next year give us
> a shout!
>
Certainly will, Bill.
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