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Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:44:04
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Subject: Adams Golf Irons
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Any one have an opinion on Adams irons???
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:00:43
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Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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sfb wrote:
> Momma always said if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
>
> Seriously, you might get a response if you were more specific about
> models,shafts, etc.
>
> <wmmcgrath3@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1157251444.543355.109790@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > Any one have an opinion on Adams irons???
> >
I was looking for a general response but i am looking at the Gt3's not
too concerned about the shaft
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:33:03
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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<wmmcgrath3@verizon.net > wrote in message
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> I was looking for a general response but i am looking at the Gt3's not
> too concerned about the shaft
>
There are a lot of pros on the Senior Tour that play Adams (including Tom
Watson). In general they are very good clubs.
I hit the GT2 irons in a store a few years ago and thought they were pretty
good, especially for the money. I see that the GT3 sells for about $180 in
steel ($270 in graphite) at The Golf Warehouse, so I would say it is an
excellent bargain, and that includes 10 irons (3-9, PW, SW, LW).
If you are shopping for clubs anywhere in that price range, I don't think
you can do better. Keep in mind that there is only one shaft stiffness, so I
assume it probably a regular (or slightly less stiff than regular). If you
need a stiff shaft, then look for different clubs (but if need a stiff
shaft, you probably don't want these clubs anyway since they are designed
for the high-handicap golfer). On these clubs, I would recommend the steel
shaft for any male under 60, because steel generally plays a lot better than
the cheaper graphite shafts that come with clubs in this price range.
http://www.tgw.com/customer/category/product.jsp?SUBCATEGORY_ID=7024
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:37:18
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
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> There are a lot of pros on the Senior Tour that play Adams (including Tom
> Watson). In general they are very good clubs.
>
> I hit the GT2 irons in a store a few years ago and thought they were
> pretty good, especially for the money. I see that the GT3 sells for about
> $180 in steel ($270 in graphite) at The Golf Warehouse, so I would say it
> is an excellent bargain, and that includes 10 irons (3-9, PW, SW, LW).
>
> If you are shopping for clubs anywhere in that price range, I don't think
> you can do better. Keep in mind that there is only one shaft stiffness, so
> I assume it probably a regular (or slightly less stiff than regular). If
> you need a stiff shaft, then look for different clubs (but if need a stiff
> shaft, you probably don't want these clubs anyway since they are designed
> for the high-handicap golfer). On these clubs, I would recommend the steel
> shaft for any male under 60, because steel generally plays a lot better
> than the cheaper graphite shafts that come with clubs in this price range.
>
> http://www.tgw.com/customer/category/product.jsp?SUBCATEGORY_ID=7024
>
I just noticed that The Golf Warehouse has customer reviews for their
products, so you should check that out.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 23:47:29
From: SJ
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Have a friend that plays an Adams iron, not sure of the model, and is happy.
I would consider most or all of the Adams line a "game improvement" type
club, with low centers of gravity to get the ball up quick.
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
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"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
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> There are a lot of pros on the Senior Tour that play Adams (including Tom
> Watson). In general they are very good clubs.
>
> I hit the GT2 irons in a store a few years ago and thought they were
> pretty good, especially for the money. I see that the GT3 sells for about
> $180 in steel ($270 in graphite) at The Golf Warehouse, so I would say it
> is an excellent bargain, and that includes 10 irons (3-9, PW, SW, LW).
>
> If you are shopping for clubs anywhere in that price range, I don't think
> you can do better. Keep in mind that there is only one shaft stiffness, so
> I assume it probably a regular (or slightly less stiff than regular). If
> you need a stiff shaft, then look for different clubs (but if need a stiff
> shaft, you probably don't want these clubs anyway since they are designed
> for the high-handicap golfer). On these clubs, I would recommend the steel
> shaft for any male under 60, because steel generally plays a lot better
> than the cheaper graphite shafts that come with clubs in this price range.
>
> http://www.tgw.com/customer/category/product.jsp?SUBCATEGORY_ID=7024
>
I just noticed that The Golf Warehouse has customer reviews for their
products, so you should check that out.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 13:18:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:47:29 -0400, in rec.sport.golf "SJ"
<skjoy@adelphia.net > wrote:
>Have a friend that plays an Adams iron, not sure of the model, and is happy.
>I would consider most or all of the Adams line a "game improvement" type
>club, with low centers of gravity to get the ball up quick.
This implies that such a design is useful for someone who wants to
improve his game, but not useful for someone who doesn't want his game
to improve.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 14:42:14
From: SJ
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:47:29 -0400, in rec.sport.golf "SJ"
<skjoy@adelphia.net > wrote:
>Have a friend that plays an Adams iron, not sure of the model, and is
happy.
>I would consider most or all of the Adams line a "game improvement" type
>club, with low centers of gravity to get the ball up quick.
This implies that such a design is useful for someone who wants to
improve his game, but not useful for someone who doesn't want his game
to improve.
Howard, it implies nothing of the sort. And since when does any golfer not
want to improve his game. In general the Adams GT3, the clubs original
poster is referring to, is the kind of club a mid to high handicapper would
buy to "improve" his game. See the following specs.
Wide, friendly sole design is easy to hit from any lie or playing condition
and the oversize heads allow for a large, confidence-inspiring sweet spot.
Adams GT3
a.. Wide-sole design helps club glide through turf reducing "fat shots."
b.. Undercut cavity moves weight low and back providing more forgiveness.
c.. Oversized head provide confidence for more consistency
If he's considering non-higher end Adams irons, I doubt he's a single-digit
handicapper or he'd be looking at forged Mizuno's. Doe this make any sense
to you at all?
Scott
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 22:37:35
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:42:14 -0400, "SJ" <skjoy@adelphia.net > wrote:
>This implies that such a design is useful for someone who wants to
>improve his game, but not useful for someone who doesn't want his game
>to improve.
>
>Howard, it implies nothing of the sort. And since when does any golfer not
>want to improve his game.
I guess a "game improvement" club is like the descriptions of balls,
which all sound like features that we all want. I haven't seen any
club advertised as not improving one's game, so either all clubs are
"game improvement", or some clubs aren't.
>In general the Adams GT3, the clubs original
>poster is referring to, is the kind of club a mid to high handicapper would
>buy to "improve" his game. See the following specs.
That makes sense - but as you say, even Tiger wants to improve his
game.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:01:21
From:
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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an advertisement of a club stating game improvement is a club that has
features that have not heretofore become an actual reality.
so the firstest with the mostest is the new kid on the block, and others
are in the wings with their wares - just waiting to debut them, then,
that innovation soon becomes - old hat.
The Adam's clubs I have seen - look good in the hybrid line. There are
quite a few of them in the used club department of large golf outlets.
for an iron to be considered qualified as an enhancement club, it most
probably takes on the complexion of an over-sized club.
>m h o
>=A0v =83e
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0u s o - until everyone comes home
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 22:50:08
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Momma always said if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
Seriously, you might get a response if you were more specific about
models,shafts, etc.
<wmmcgrath3@verizon.net > wrote in message
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> Any one have an opinion on Adams irons???
>
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:56:59
From:
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> <wmmcgrath3@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1157252443.277857.255120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > I was looking for a general response but i am looking at the Gt3's not
> > too concerned about the shaft
> >
>
> There are a lot of pros on the Senior Tour that play Adams (including Tom
> Watson). In general they are very good clubs.
>
> I hit the GT2 irons in a store a few years ago and thought they were pretty
> good, especially for the money. I see that the GT3 sells for about $180 in
> steel ($270 in graphite) at The Golf Warehouse, so I would say it is an
> excellent bargain, and that includes 10 irons (3-9, PW, SW, LW).
>
> If you are shopping for clubs anywhere in that price range, I don't think
> you can do better. Keep in mind that there is only one shaft stiffness, so I
> assume it probably a regular (or slightly less stiff than regular). If you
> need a stiff shaft, then look for different clubs (but if need a stiff
> shaft, you probably don't want these clubs anyway since they are designed
> for the high-handicap golfer). On these clubs, I would recommend the steel
> shaft for any male under 60, because steel generally plays a lot better than
> the cheaper graphite shafts that come with clubs in this price range.
>
> http://www.tgw.com/customer/category/product.jsp?SUBCATEGORY_ID=7024
Thank you for youe input
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 02:02:02
From: 3putt
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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The pros are playing the Adams A2's not the GT's. Big difference. And
difference in cost as well.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 07:57:48
From: Henry
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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3putt wrote:
> The pros are playing the Adams A2's not the GT's. Big difference. And
> difference in cost as well.
>
>
So how well could Tiger play with a set of WalMarts and his Scotty
Cameron putter? Could he still win? Still keep his card? I have a
feeling he could adapt ...
Henry
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:58:41
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"Henry" <HenryNot@home.com > wrote in message
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> So how well could Tiger play with a set of WalMarts and his Scotty Cameron
> putter? Could he still win? Still keep his card? I have a feeling he
> could adapt ...
>
> Henry
I would not classify the Adams clubs as a "Wal-Mart set" but if Tiger played
with a Wal-Mart set then he would have problems with very flexible shafts.
If he could reshaft, then he would do 'OK'.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:09:39
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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wmmcgrath3@verizon.net wrote:
> Any one have an opinion on Adams irons???
>
well, based on my round today Adams irons make one forgetful. I picked
up an Adams head cover on the 2nd tee, a SW on the 4th green, and a PW
and 7 iron on the 12th green. While on the fairway waiting to hit our
second shots on 14 here comes a cart back from in front of us wanting to
know if we found any clubs. He still didn't know that he'd forgotten the
head cover. How do you play 14 holes with only half your clubs and not
know it??
Dave
ps: you want Mizuno irons, or better yet KZG. I'm hitting the KZG Forged
Evolutions and really like them.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 20:02:54
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> ps: you want Mizuno irons, or better yet KZG. I'm hitting the KZG Forged
> Evolutions and really like them.
Does it matter whether the golfer is a 5 handicapper or a 25 handicapper?
Do they cost $180 in steel for 10 clubs (3-9, PW, SW and LW)?
What a friggin idiot.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:09:47
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:n1LKg.2140$uv4.9@newsfe02.lga...
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>>ps: you want Mizuno irons, or better yet KZG. I'm hitting the KZG Forged
>>Evolutions and really like them.
>
>
> Does it matter whether the golfer is a 5 handicapper or a 25 handicapper?
>
> Do they cost $180 in steel for 10 clubs (3-9, PW, SW and LW)?
>
> What a friggin idiot.
>
>
not to much more than that IIRC. But then I don't care to much what
clubs cost as they are a miniscule fraction of my yearly golf costs. If
you're serious about playing good golf why would you worry about a
dollar or two one way or the other. Get fitted, and get the right set of
clubs built for you. Cost doesn't matter, score does, whether you're a 5
handicapper or a 25 handicapper. If that's being a "friggin idiot" then
so be it.
Dave
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 23:25:50
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> not to much more than that IIRC. But then I don't care to much what clubs
> cost as they are a miniscule fraction of my yearly golf costs. If you're
> serious about playing good golf why would you worry about a dollar or two
> one way or the other. Get fitted, and get the right set of clubs built for
> you. Cost doesn't matter, score does, whether you're a 5 handicapper or a
> 25 handicapper. If that's being a "friggin idiot" then so be it.
> Dave
Who says the OP is serious about golf? Remember that he first brought up the
Adams GT3, so I assume that the price is one the things that attracted him
to the clubs.
When someone asks me for advice, I don't give him (or her) advice on what I
would do, because my interest in golf, my budget, and my handicap may be
significantly different than the person asking for advice.
A set of KZG's start at about $600 for the iron set. Then add $100 for 2
more wedges, $50 for a putter, $400 for a driver and 3-5 wood, $100 for a
bag (total $1250) . Not every person wants to spend that kind of money.
Obviously you and I do, but maybe not the OP.
$180 is a fantastic deal for 10 irons, and way better quality than you get
with those "complete sets" sold at sporting good stores (obviously you still
need to get a putter and woods if you get the Adams GT3's)..
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 07:41:44
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:eGNKg.241$ZH.92@newsfe05.lga...
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>>not to much more than that IIRC. But then I don't care to much what clubs
>>cost as they are a miniscule fraction of my yearly golf costs. If you're
>>serious about playing good golf why would you worry about a dollar or two
>>one way or the other. Get fitted, and get the right set of clubs built for
>>you. Cost doesn't matter, score does, whether you're a 5 handicapper or a
>>25 handicapper. If that's being a "friggin idiot" then so be it.
>>Dave
>
>
> Who says the OP is serious about golf? Remember that he first brought up the
> Adams GT3, so I assume that the price is one the things that attracted him
> to the clubs.
>
> When someone asks me for advice, I don't give him (or her) advice on what I
> would do, because my interest in golf, my budget, and my handicap may be
> significantly different than the person asking for advice.
>
> A set of KZG's start at about $600 for the iron set. Then add $100 for 2
> more wedges, $50 for a putter, $400 for a driver and 3-5 wood, $100 for a
> bag (total $1250) . Not every person wants to spend that kind of money.
> Obviously you and I do, but maybe not the OP.
>
> $180 is a fantastic deal for 10 irons, and way better quality than you get
> with those "complete sets" sold at sporting good stores (obviously you still
> need to get a putter and woods if you get the Adams GT3's)..
>
>
I don't like Adams irons. I do like Mizuno and KZG irons. I gave the OP
my opinion, which he can take or leave. WTF does it have to do with you?
When someone asks you for advice you don't give them your OPINION? Now
you're being the friggin idiot...
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 09:15:57
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> I don't like Adams irons. I do like Mizuno and KZG irons. I gave the OP my
> opinion, which he can take or leave. WTF does it have to do with you? When
> someone asks you for advice you don't give them your OPINION? Now you're
> being the friggin idiot...
When someone asks for my opinion, I ask them how much money are they willing
to spend, and what is their handicap. If someone wants to give 2 answers
(one without reference to cost/handicap and one with reference to
cost/handicap) then that is fine, but I don't see how anyone can recommend
clubs without reference at least a reference to handicap.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 08:56:22
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:HWWKg.211$2J4.55@newsfe05.lga...
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>>I don't like Adams irons. I do like Mizuno and KZG irons. I gave the OP my
>>opinion, which he can take or leave. WTF does it have to do with you? When
>>someone asks you for advice you don't give them your OPINION? Now you're
>>being the friggin idiot...
>
>
> When someone asks for my opinion, I ask them how much money are they willing
> to spend, and what is their handicap. If someone wants to give 2 answers
> (one without reference to cost/handicap and one with reference to
> cost/handicap) then that is fine, but I don't see how anyone can recommend
> clubs without reference at least a reference to handicap.
>
>
here's your original reply to the OP. Show me where you have asked how
much they want to spend and what their handicap is? You simply offered
your opinion, the same as I did. I think that you've made a lot of
assumptions about the OP, who btw, asked for general advise, which we
both gave them. So wtf is your problem?
"There are a lot of pros on the Senior Tour that play Adams (including
Tom Watson). In general they are very good clubs.
I hit the GT2 irons in a store a few years ago and thought they were
pretty good, especially for the money. I see that the GT3 sells for
about $180 in steel ($270 in graphite) at The Golf Warehouse, so I would
say it is an excellent bargain, and that includes 10 irons (3-9, PW, SW,
LW).
If you are shopping for clubs anywhere in that price range, I don't
think you can do better. Keep in mind that there is only one shaft
stiffness, so I assume it probably a regular (or slightly less stiff
than regular). If you need a stiff shaft, then look for different clubs
(but if need a stiff shaft, you probably don't want these clubs anyway
since they are designed for the high-handicap golfer). On these clubs, I
would recommend the steel shaft for any male under 60, because steel
generally plays a lot better than the cheaper graphite shafts that come
with clubs in this price range."
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 10:29:42
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> here's your original reply to the OP. Show me where you have asked how
> much they want to spend and what their handicap is? You simply offered
> your opinion, the same as I did. I think that you've made a lot of
> assumptions about the OP, who btw, asked for general advise, which we both
> gave them. So wtf is your problem?
>
As I stated previously, the mere fact that the OP was interested in clubs
that cost $180 (on-sale from $400) made me believe that he was very
interested in them because of low cost (without having to ask).
Also, the extreme cavity back nature of the clubs (compared to many of the
other clubs recommended) made me strongly believe that he was a high
handicapper.
In any case, the OP poster asked for opinions about the Adams GT3 clubs, and
not about other clubs that cost 4 times as much and are for mid to low
handicap golfers.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 10:13:29
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:E0YKg.398$2J4.205@newsfe05.lga...
>> here's your original reply to the OP. Show me where you have asked how
>> much they want to spend and what their handicap is? You simply offered
>> your opinion, the same as I did. I think that you've made a lot of
>> assumptions about the OP, who btw, asked for general advise, which we both
>> gave them. So wtf is your problem?
>>
>
> As I stated previously, the mere fact that the OP was interested in clubs
> that cost $180 (on-sale from $400) made me believe that he was very
> interested in them because of low cost (without having to ask).
>
> Also, the extreme cavity back nature of the clubs (compared to many of the
> other clubs recommended) made me strongly believe that he was a high
> handicapper.
>
> In any case, the OP poster asked for opinions about the Adams GT3 clubs, and
> not about other clubs that cost 4 times as much and are for mid to low
> handicap golfers.
>
>
assumptions one and all. I don't have any problem with your assumptions
or your opinions. I just want to know why you think that you're the only
one that can have them...
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 12:17:01
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> assumptions one and all. I don't have any problem with your assumptions or
> your opinions. I just want to know why you think that you're the only one
> that can have them..
I never claimed to be the only one with valid opinions. Certainly, many on
this forum have played a lot more different clubs than me (although I did
hit the GT2's in a store one time).
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:31:40
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:X8ZKg.19$d_2.18@newsfe03.lga...
>> assumptions one and all. I don't have any problem with your assumptions or
>> your opinions. I just want to know why you think that you're the only one
>> that can have them..
>
> I never claimed to be the only one with valid opinions. Certainly, many on
> this forum have played a lot more different clubs than me (although I did
> hit the GT2's in a store one time).
>
>
and yet, I'm a "friggin idiot" because I have an opinion...I would bet
that at least 75% of those that post here, regardless of income level,
would prefer Mizuno or KZG irons to Adams irons. That is my opinion and
is why I suggested them to the OP
bye
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 12:45:19
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> and yet, I'm a "friggin idiot" because I have an opinion...I would bet
> that at least 75% of those that post here, regardless of income level,
> would prefer Mizuno or KZG irons to Adams irons. That is my opinion and is
> why I suggested them to the OP
> bye
Income level? I am talking about how much one wants to spend on clubs
(regardless of income level).
A lot of poor people drive Cadillacs and maybe they play Mizuno or KZG clubs
. But if someone asks me what I think about the Toyota Corolla, I am going
to assume that he is not in the market for a car that costs as much as a
Cadillac, although obviously that would be "preferable" by at least 75% of
the people over the Corolla.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:30:52
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Mark A wrote:
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:fi_Kg.51$ID3.43@newsfe07.lga...
>> and yet, I'm a "friggin idiot" because I have an opinion...I would bet
>> that at least 75% of those that post here, regardless of income level,
>> would prefer Mizuno or KZG irons to Adams irons. That is my opinion and is
>> why I suggested them to the OP
>> bye
>
> Income level? I am talking about how much one wants to spend on clubs
> (regardless of income level).
>
why would I care anymore what you're talking about. You keep going
around in circles trying to make calling someone a friggin idiot for
having an opinion OK. It's not OK
PLONK
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 12:49:25
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:09:47 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com >
wrote:
>Cost doesn't matter, score does, whether you're a 5
>handicapper or a 25 handicapper.
Cost does matter for most people. I can allocate my golf money (and
time) between playing, lessons, equipment, and practice. If I spend
more one place, I have to spend less elsewhere.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 13:15:31
From: mr_antone
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:53:12 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18 -0500, mr_antone <mr_antone@> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>>>
>>>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>>>By Mary Murray Producer
>>>>>NBC News
>>>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>>>
>>>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>>>...
>>>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>>>
>>>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>>>2002
>>>
>>>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>>>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>>>production.
>>>
>>>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>>>Demand in end-use markets
>>>
>>>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>>>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>>>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>>>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>>>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>>>air traffic.
>>>
>>>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>>>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>>>contrast, the battery market continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>>>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>>>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>>>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>>>hybrid electric vehicles.
>>>World reserve base and production
>>>
>>>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>>>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>>>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>>>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>>>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>>>
>>>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>>>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>>>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>>>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>>>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>>>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>>>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>>
>>Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
>>
>>It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
>
>Yes it would be. We will know in several years.
>
>The embargo by the US has forced Cuba to become a world leader in the
>conservation of oil. Many nations of the world are flocking there to
>learn. The US (except California) is still "thinking" about these
>issues while the rest of the world is starting to act upon them.
>
>I wonder where the US will get the nickel needed in the batteries for
>hybrid cars? Cuba is the only country that has untapped reserves. The
>rest are running at capacity.
>
>In a way, Cuba will have a grip on a few American short hairs. It's
>payback time.
Yes. Interesting times ahead...
>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>
>>Another urban myth.
>>
>>Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
>>
>>
>>mr_antone
mr_antone
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 09:14:18
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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I bought 2 of their fairway woods a few years ago. Thumbs DOWN. They felt
really good at the store, hitting into a net, but once out on the course,
not good. Turned me off on Adams.
And it wasn't the shafts. I ended up taking the shafts (EI70's) out of them
and using them in my KZG fairway woods.
If price is the issue, go for a demo set or used set of Titleists, Pings,
Callaways, Mizunos, KZGs, etc.
--Tom
<wmmcgrath3@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1157251444.543355.109790@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Any one have an opinion on Adams irons???
>
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 09:24:47
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:KEVKg.2266$pN.230@newsfe12.lga...
>I bought 2 of their fairway woods a few years ago. Thumbs DOWN. They felt
>really good at the store, hitting into a net, but once out on the course,
>not good. Turned me off on Adams.
>
> And it wasn't the shafts. I ended up taking the shafts (EI70's) out of
> them and using them in my KZG fairway woods.
>
> If price is the issue, go for a demo set or used set of Titleists, Pings,
> Callaways, Mizunos, KZGs, etc.
>
> --Tom
>
Although none of the pros who play Adams (Tom Watson and others) use the
GT3's, it is not like Adams are generally crappy clubs as you suggest.
Second, we are not talking about fairway woods, we are talking about irons.
Please let me know where you can get a set of 10 irons that are demo or used
Titleists, Pings, Callaways, Mizunos, KZGs, etc for near $180? They would
have to be in extremely poor condition.
Even then, I don't think you know the handicap of the OP before you make a
valid recommendation.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 07:15:12
From: sjh
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Otto wrote:
> Screw the irons.
>
> Just fill up your bag with a bunch of hybrids and play some easy golf.
>
Hanes is running a special on fall hoisery. Remember to think pink-
it's the new black this season.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:18:37
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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And if you buy a whole sackful of hybrids, they throw in a free, pink tutu.
Otto
"sjh" <strat68@eudoramail.com > wrote in message
news:1157552112.294357.4730@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Otto wrote:
>> Screw the irons.
>>
>> Just fill up your bag with a bunch of hybrids and play some easy golf.
>>
>
> Hanes is running a special on fall hoisery. Remember to think pink-
> it's the new black this season.
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 07:13:11
From: sjh
Subject: Re: Adams Golf Irons
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Carbon wrote:
> I've basically decided to getting a set of KZG's built at some point. I'm
> leaning towards the Forged Cavity Backs, because they're identical to the
> MacGregor JNP's I've been playing since the late 80's. The JNP's have no
> offset, a thin top line, and the cavity is shallow enough that you can't
> see it at address. So they look like blades at address, which is what I
> started with and what looks most natural to me.
>
> But the Evolutions look very nice as well, and I have no doubt they're
> easier to hit. I'm sure I'd eventually get used to the offset and larger
> head size.
I've had the original forged cb's for about 3 years, very well made
heads... I don't have the specs, but by eyeball they seem to have less
offset than the original kzg blades. Not much but surprising, you'd
think it would be the other way? One thing noticable with the first
cavity back is the heel-toe length of the middle and longer irons. I
loved the shape of the 8-PW at address but the rest of the set were
wierd in that regard. Never saw a full set of the II or II-M cavities.
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