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Date: 19 Dec 2006 06:25:45
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
they see me. No one else till the back nine. I play 10 and see some poor
kid in a cart slogging along behind a 5some of "seniors", a group of the
regular "guys" probably playing a 2 buck nassau or something like that.
They wouldn't let the kid through...so I was doomed. I had originally
thought they were on 12, and looked to cut in on 17 and play it and
18...but somone was finishing 16 so that was out. I then thought of
starting on 15 and noticed the old inconsiderates were just finishing 14
(12 and 14 are side by each). So I walked back to 11 and played 11-14,
walking, in the time it to the aged and characterless to play 15 (par
4) and tee off on 16. I then went for the 17th tee, skipping 15 and 16.
I'd probably still be out there if I hadn't.
A glorious day in any event, but no matter what these days, you can't
escape inconsiderate slow golfing jerks! +4 for the front, +10 for the
back with ESC score for the 2 hole missed. Short game died on the back.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bill wrote:
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> >> they see me.
> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>
> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> essence very well :-)
>
> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> some..end of story
>
> Bill
The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:34:33
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>
>Bill wrote:
>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
>> >> they see me.
>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>
>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
>> essence very well :-)
>>
>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
>> some..end of story
>>
>> Bill
>
>
>The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
>African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
>for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
>or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
>self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
>not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
>other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
>follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
blood?
bk
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:25:31
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 17:18:14 -0800, bungalow_steve@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:50:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >>
> >> >> What difference did it make that those golfers were
> >> >> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
> >> >> reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
> >> >> about Mike too.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >A good point, wehat difference does it make if they were African American,
> >> >and why would it matter if I say so. If I were on a golf course where
> >> >everyone were African American and I was the only Caucasian, I would in no
> >> >way be upset if you referred to me as Causian, or white, or Anglo, or
> >> >whatever. What difference does it make...unless you think I am applying some
> >> >sort of undersirable label to people by referring to them as say African
> >> >American.....cool thing here is that you and Levac are on the same side
> >> >here...and I'm on the other side! If I ran into a group of Cajuns, and said
> >> >so, you think David Laville would take offense? You are aware, I hope, that
> >> >it is not you or I who choose to refer to people as Cajuns or African
> >> >Americans; it is the people themselves. The only issue I see for myself is:
> >> >do I respect that?
> >> >
> >>
> >> You just don't get it. You mentioned that you weren't casting a
> >> stigma on the group. I agree. There is no way, Rob, that I think
> >> that you're a racist. Prejudiced? Maybe. The only stigma is yours,
> >> that you chose to separate that group from the rest of the golfers on
> >> the course. They were four golfers. Period.
> >>
> >If he said they were four young Korean female golfers that waved him
> >through, you wouldn't have a bit of problem with that description at
> >all, would you? Hmmmm
>
>
>
> Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
> through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
> unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
> though.
If all we ever did was qualify things as needed, it would be a boring
world. You have your views on these things and I have mine I suppose.
The argument of predjudice could easily be reversed, for the issue of
why you care how someone else describes the world around him is
obviously there. It is you making an issue of the use of the phrase
"African American", not me. I see it as a perfectly legitimate
adjective to use to describe people. No more sinister that referring to
another group as "seniors".
What is obvious is the problem in your mind with respect to the issue.
You have some demon, not me. The phrase is commonly and widely used in
all facets of our culture.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:34:47
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 18:25:31 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2006 17:18:14 -0800, bungalow_steve@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
>> through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
>> unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
>> though.
>
>If all we ever did was qualify things as needed, it would be a boring
>world. You have your views on these things and I have mine I suppose.
>The argument of predjudice could easily be reversed, for the issue of
>why you care how someone else describes the world around him is
>obviously there. It is you making an issue of the use of the phrase
>"African American", not me. I see it as a perfectly legitimate
>adjective to use to describe people. No more sinister that referring to
>another group as "seniors".
>
>What is obvious is the problem in your mind with respect to the issue.
>You have some demon, not me. The phrase is commonly and widely used in
>all facets of our culture.
Only when it's necessary. The demon that I perceive is the one that
has been so pervasive in you for years. You're a cunning linguist.
:-)
--
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:02:49
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:bubgo2p9rnjoplfn4h21ppl4icu82lceo5@4ax.com...
> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Bill wrote:
>>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
>>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
>>> >> they see me.
>>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>>
>>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured
>>> the
>>> essence very well :-)
>>>
>>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a
>>> four
>>> some..end of story
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>
>>The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
>>African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
>>for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
>>or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
>>self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
>>not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
>>other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
>>follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>
> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
> no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
> reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
> blood?
> bk
So Mississippi = racist? That's just as stupid as what Rob said.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:13:29
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:02:49 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:bubgo2p9rnjoplfn4h21ppl4icu82lceo5@4ax.com...
>> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Bill wrote:
>>>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
>>>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
>>>> >> they see me.
>>>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured
>>>> the
>>>> essence very well :-)
>>>>
>>>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a
>>>> four
>>>> some..end of story
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
>>>African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
>>>for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
>>>or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
>>>self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
>>>not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
>>>other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
>>>follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>>
>> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
>> no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
>> reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
>> blood?
>> bk
>
>So Mississippi = racist? That's just as stupid as what Rob said.
>
Who said anything about being racist? There's a big difference in
allowing yourself to be aware of color and being racist. Big stretch
Mike, and not up to your usual reasoning.
Now, do you have an explanation as to why one's nationality, or
color, would have been important in this instance, or are you just
stirring shit?
bk
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:43:48
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:99ego2d83u2vocufjporin63ukp55bpkuh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:02:49 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>>news:bubgo2p9rnjoplfn4h21ppl4icu82lceo5@4ax.com...
>>> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bill wrote:
>>>>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and
>>>>> >> run
>>>>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon
>>>>> >> as
>>>>> >> they see me.
>>>>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you
>>>>> captured
>>>>> the
>>>>> essence very well :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a
>>>>> four
>>>>> some..end of story
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
>>>>African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
>>>>for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
>>>>or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
>>>>self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
>>>>not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
>>>>other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
>>>>follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>>>
>>> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
>>> no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
>>> reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
>>> blood?
>>> bk
>>
>>So Mississippi = racist? That's just as stupid as what Rob said.
>>
> Who said anything about being racist? There's a big difference in
> allowing yourself to be aware of color and being racist. Big stretch
> Mike, and not up to your usual reasoning.
>
> Now, do you have an explanation as to why one's nationality, or
> color, would have been important in this instance, or are you just
> stirring shit?
>
So just what is you explanation for "Mississippi getting into your blood"?
You seem to be implying that being in MS somehow make you more "color aware"
Talk about stirring shit.
As I stated, what Rob said was dumb. A simple "a foursome waved me through
right away" would have have been enough.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:57:13
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:43:48 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:99ego2d83u2vocufjporin63ukp55bpkuh@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:02:49 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>>>news:bubgo2p9rnjoplfn4h21ppl4icu82lceo5@4ax.com...
>>>> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill wrote:
>>>>>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and
>>>>>> >> run
>>>>>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon
>>>>>> >> as
>>>>>> >> they see me.
>>>>>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you
>>>>>> captured
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> essence very well :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a
>>>>>> four
>>>>>> some..end of story
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
>>>>>African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
>>>>>for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
>>>>>or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
>>>>>self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
>>>>>not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
>>>>>other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
>>>>>follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
>>>> no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
>>>> reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
>>>> blood?
>>>> bk
>>>
>>>So Mississippi = racist? That's just as stupid as what Rob said.
>>>
>> Who said anything about being racist? There's a big difference in
>> allowing yourself to be aware of color and being racist. Big stretch
>> Mike, and not up to your usual reasoning.
>>
>> Now, do you have an explanation as to why one's nationality, or
>> color, would have been important in this instance, or are you just
>> stirring shit?
>>
>So just what is you explanation for "Mississippi getting into your blood"?
>You seem to be implying that being in MS somehow make you more "color aware"
>Talk about stirring shit.
>
I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
would you know?
>As I stated, what Rob said was dumb. A simple "a foursome waved me through
>right away" would have have been enough.
>
We're certainly in agreement on that.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:38:01
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:uiggo2t9khrjqfr33ahic6mph7nj6re7u6@4ax.com...
>>
> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
> would you know?
>
So you somehow think that Minnesota is devoid of Rednecks? Remember, we're
right next door to Wisconsin. :-)
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 04:29:46
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> demon that I perceive is the one that
> has been so pervasive in you for years. You're a cunning linguist.
Meaning "cunnilingus" ?
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:46:23
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 20 Dec 2006 04:29:46 -0800, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> demon that I perceive is the one that
>> has been so pervasive in you for years. You're a cunning linguist.
>
>Meaning "cunnilingus" ?
Nothing, but nothing, gets by you. :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:38:11
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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bill-o wrote:
> On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
> > through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
> > unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
> > though.
>
> Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
> regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
> I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
> course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
> playing in 5 somes.
>
> --
> bill-o
Bill-o's question is a kind way of revealing the Knipper's two faced
troll. His fellow Texan has posted many disparaging remarks about
women and disabled people, with absolute silence from the Knipper. Yet
when Rob makes mention of black people on the course, using a PC term
for it, the Knipper is all over it.
Reasons are obvious. He wants Tex's favor whereas with Rob, he
doesn't. This has nothing to do with race.
-Greg
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:13:58
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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bill-o wrote:
> On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
> > through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
> > unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
> > though.
>
> Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
> regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
> I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
> course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
> playing in 5 somes.
I'm glad you said it, because it was the first thing that came to my
mind when I saw someone objecting to my post...other than the obvious
fact that the response to my OP was a contrived troll. The African
American guys were the real golfers out there. They represented the
traditions of the game. They let the faster groups play thorugh
immediately, and it meant nothing to them. The good ole boy regulars
did not, as usual, and it meant something to them; they knew the kid
was there and choose not to let him through, depsite knowing full well
that it violated a basic traditional courtesy in golf.
IMHO, the people who objected to my making of a distinction are
objecting to the distinction because of the associated behavior....AND
the people making the objection are in fact white and associate or
sympathize with "the guys" where they play, who are also all white, and
thus feel the sting a bit with the suggestion that African American
golfers better represent the traditions of the game then they do.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 21:49:12
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Dene wrote:
> bill-o wrote:
> > On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
> > > through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
> > > unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
> > > though.
> >
> > Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
> > regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
> > I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
> > course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
> > playing in 5 somes.
> >
> > --
> > bill-o
>
> Bill-o's question is a kind way of revealing the Knipper's two faced
> troll. His fellow Texan has posted many disparaging remarks about
> women and disabled people, with absolute silence from the Knipper. Yet
> when Rob makes mention of black people on the course, using a PC term
> for it, the Knipper is all over it.
>
> Reasons are obvious. He wants Tex's favor whereas with Rob, he
> doesn't. This has nothing to do with race.
>
Just a point of reference. Not all African Americans are black, and not all blacks
are African Americans.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:10:18
From: Bill
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1166552882.917218.203780@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bill wrote:
>> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
>> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
>> >> they see me.
>> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>>
>> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured
>> the
>> essence very well :-)
>>
>> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
>> some..end of story
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
> African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
> for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
> or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
> self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
> not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
> other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
> follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>
No problem. A Nutty professor identified and classified accordingly
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:21:23
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Fairway wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > they see me.
> And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
Els and Immelman are South African. They are not American in any sense.
I guess one could apply the same rhetoric to kids, women, seniors,
whatever...just ran into a 4some...but the world doesn't work that way.
Some people think nationality is an issue, like it means anything to
distinguish between British and French, or even Welsh and
English...which are meaningless to me.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 07:28:57
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> they see me.
And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 12:49:41
From: Bill
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
>> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
>> they see me.
> And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
essence very well :-)
Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
some..end of story
Bill
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:18:14
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Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:50:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> >> What difference did it make that those golfers were
> >> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
> >> reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
> >> about Mike too.
> >>
> >
> >A good point, wehat difference does it make if they were African American,
> >and why would it matter if I say so. If I were on a golf course where
> >everyone were African American and I was the only Caucasian, I would in no
> >way be upset if you referred to me as Causian, or white, or Anglo, or
> >whatever. What difference does it make...unless you think I am applying some
> >sort of undersirable label to people by referring to them as say African
> >American.....cool thing here is that you and Levac are on the same side
> >here...and I'm on the other side! If I ran into a group of Cajuns, and said
> >so, you think David Laville would take offense? You are aware, I hope, that
> >it is not you or I who choose to refer to people as Cajuns or African
> >Americans; it is the people themselves. The only issue I see for myself is:
> >do I respect that?
> >
>
> You just don't get it. You mentioned that you weren't casting a
> stigma on the group. I agree. There is no way, Rob, that I think
> that you're a racist. Prejudiced? Maybe. The only stigma is yours,
> that you chose to separate that group from the rest of the golfers on
> the course. They were four golfers. Period.
>
If he said they were four young Korean female golfers that waved him
through, you wouldn't have a bit of problem with that description at
all, would you? Hmmmm
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:41:58
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 17:18:14 -0800, bungalow_steve@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:50:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>>
>> >> What difference did it make that those golfers were
>> >> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
>> >> reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
>> >> about Mike too.
>> >>
>> >
>> >A good point, wehat difference does it make if they were African American,
>> >and why would it matter if I say so. If I were on a golf course where
>> >everyone were African American and I was the only Caucasian, I would in no
>> >way be upset if you referred to me as Causian, or white, or Anglo, or
>> >whatever. What difference does it make...unless you think I am applying some
>> >sort of undersirable label to people by referring to them as say African
>> >American.....cool thing here is that you and Levac are on the same side
>> >here...and I'm on the other side! If I ran into a group of Cajuns, and said
>> >so, you think David Laville would take offense? You are aware, I hope, that
>> >it is not you or I who choose to refer to people as Cajuns or African
>> >Americans; it is the people themselves. The only issue I see for myself is:
>> >do I respect that?
>> >
>>
>> You just don't get it. You mentioned that you weren't casting a
>> stigma on the group. I agree. There is no way, Rob, that I think
>> that you're a racist. Prejudiced? Maybe. The only stigma is yours,
>> that you chose to separate that group from the rest of the golfers on
>> the course. They were four golfers. Period.
>>
>If he said they were four young Korean female golfers that waved him
>through, you wouldn't have a bit of problem with that description at
>all, would you? Hmmmm
Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
though.
--
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\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:22:09
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
> through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
> unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
> though.
Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
playing in 5 somes.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:06:45
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:22:09 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:
>
>On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
>> through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
>> unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
>> though.
>
>Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
>regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
>I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
>course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
>playing in 5 somes.
I'll say to you what I said to Rob. Discuss this with the others who
have the same opinion, and said it before I did. You're just pissed
because I called your friend on tying up his dog to a bumper. :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:09:47
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:06:45 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:22:09 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>On 19-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmmm. All that needed to be said was that a foursome let him
>>> through. In relation to his post, anything else is superflous, and
>>> unnecessary. Obviously you don't get it either. Several here have
>>> though.
>>
>>Aren't you picking pepper out of fly sh*t Bobby? As someone who has golfed
>>regularly in MS on public courses the little addition meant something to me.
>>I generally found the black golfers to be more courteous of others on the
>>course whereas many of the inconsiderate slowsomes on the course were whites
>>playing in 5 somes.
>
>I'll say to you what I said to Rob. Discuss this with the others who
>have the same opinion, and said it before I did. You're just pissed
>because I called your friend on tying up his dog to a bumper. :-)
I know, I know....it wasn't you...hence the smiley. But I will
correct you on the adage above...it's fly shit out of pepper. :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:05:01
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 20-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> I know, I know....it wasn't you...hence the smiley. But I will
> correct you on the adage above...it's fly shit out of pepper. :-)
Well at least it wasn't salt out of semen! :-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:30:52
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:45895118$0$23577$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 20-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> I know, I know....it wasn't you...hence the smiley. But I will
>> correct you on the adage above...it's fly shit out of pepper. :-)
>
> Well at least it wasn't salt out of semen! :-)
>
Ok, this thread has taken a turn for the worse. :-)
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:27:31
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:05:01 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:
>
>On 20-Dec-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> I know, I know....it wasn't you...hence the smiley. But I will
>> correct you on the adage above...it's fly shit out of pepper. :-)
>
>Well at least it wasn't salt out of semen! :-)
Damn. How do you separate that???? :)
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:38:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2006 10:44:12 -0800, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> >> Loosen up, no one cares that you're a windbag with nothing in your
> >> head except botany....at which I grant that you are a master.
> >
> >It's biology. Funny how you can question Rob's intelligence yet mix up
> >Botany and Biology. Signs of dementia or demented intelligence?
> >
> >-Greg
>
> I've just got to make sure that all of my computers have the same kill
> file.
>
> You slimy little prick.
>
> The only two things that you can lay claim to here are:
> 1) being the only person ever to be asked NOT to attend an RSG
> tournament.
> 2) shooting off your mouth to show how absolutely stupid you are.
>
> Botany is a subcategory of Biology, and Rob states on this page that
> "My teaching specialties are Plant Ecology, and Genetics. My main
> research interests are the plant ecology and plant genomics".
>
> Now go look up the term " botany". You might find that it includes
> plants. Now who shows demented intelligence?
>
> Then you can resume your low-life stalking of Dalecki, Strauss,
> Newell and me.
You are a bold face liar, Knipper. You read all my posts. It just so
happens this one got under your thin skin. Cut the BS about your
supposed kill-files and multiple computers. People aren't stupid.
Once again you attempt to divert the subject about a tournament I
haven't attended, by choice, since May, 2003. It's December, 2006.
Get it?
Once again you try to get Rob to bite with a trolling comment a club
you claim he can't hit, referring to a post he made years ago. Anybody
see a pattern here?
You're so transparent.
Genetic biology and botany are apples and oranges. Your knip-picking
trolls and bitter Bob intolerant postings are authentic testimony of
your character and to the relevance of your current existence. No
doubt a factors to your multiple marriages....and failures, like your
last employment.
But do tell the audience an answer to this question, o enlightened
social progressive. Why do you drive 60+ miles to play at your
exclusive country club, bypassing public and private courses on the
way. Aren't these courses..these people....these minorities, not good
enough for you?
-Greg
Ps. Strauss doesn't post here. It appears Dullecki just returned,
hopefully to apologize to Annika for calling him a theif. Newell
rarely posts. Unfortunately, you haven't joined them in their exodus.
Any other dimented accusations?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 04:15:23
From: greek
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> they see me. No one else till the back nine. I play 10 and see some poor
> kid in a cart slogging along behind a 5some of "seniors", a group of the
> regular "guys" probably playing a 2 buck nassau or something like that.
> They wouldn't let the kid through...so I was doomed. I had originally
> thought they were on 12, and looked to cut in on 17 and play it and
> 18...but somone was finishing 16 so that was out. I then thought of
> starting on 15 and noticed the old inconsiderates were just finishing 14
> (12 and 14 are side by each). So I walked back to 11 and played 11-14,
> walking, in the time it to the aged and characterless to play 15 (par
> 4) and tee off on 16. I then went for the 17th tee, skipping 15 and 16.
> I'd probably still be out there if I hadn't.
>
> A glorious day in any event, but no matter what these days, you can't
> escape inconsiderate slow golfing jerks! +4 for the front, +10 for the
> back with ESC score for the 2 hole missed. Short game died on the back.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:13:25
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bill wrote:
> >> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> >> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> >> >> they see me.
> >> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> >>
> >> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> >> essence very well :-)
> >>
> >> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> >> some..end of story
> >>
> >> Bill
> >
> >
> >The ole troll from the phoney social progressive. Maybe you can tell
> >African Americans that their identity as such should not be acknowldged
> >for the sake of your cheesy egalitarianism. While people aren't equal
> >or unequal because of minor polymorphisms that we may use or not for
> >self identity. However we do use them as for self identity, and it's
> >not really up to me how we use them. If you have a problem with how
> >other people choose to be identified, that's your problem. I just
> >follow to basic societal ethic on the issue.
>
> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious. There absolutely
> no reason to identify them as anything but golfers. There must be a
> reason that you opted to do otherwise. Mississippi getting in your
> blood?
> bk
People do that in speech everyday, and in everyway. Often people are
categorized in speech as it's seen as a way to tell the story. Knowing
Rob personally as I do, I certainly don't think there's the evil intent
that others are making it to be.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:16:02
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 19:13:25 -0800, "Gordo" <golfzlf@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>People do that in speech everyday, and in everyway. Often people are
>categorized in speech as it's seen as a way to tell the story. Knowing
>Rob personally as I do, I certainly don't think there's the evil intent
>that others are making it to be.
I never implied evi intent, nor did anyone else that I noted.
bk
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:27:53
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Dene wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > > > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > > > >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > > > >> they see me.
> > > > > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> > > > essence very well :-)
> > > >
> > > > Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> > > > some..end of story
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > >
> > > My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
> > > African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
> > > fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
> > > years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
> > > gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
> > > a German-American. Hell no.
> > >
> > > They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
> > > races. Big deal.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > I agree with you. No doubt the world would be a lot better off if we all thought
> > that way. However it just isn't that way. IF we want to get along we have to
> > respect people for who they want to be, ande not insist that they somehow have to
> > be something we want them to be. What gets me about the criticism of my words is
> > the unspoken assumption that I am somehow stigmatizing people by referring to them
> > as African American.I see no such stigmatization, and really cannot imagine how
> > anyone would see it that way, and more than it would to refer to a woman as a
> > woman or a kid as a kid.
>
> Well....despite your agreement, I'm still pissed about your OP.
>
> 74 degrees and playing golf. It has been alternately freezing or
> raining here in the Great Wet North, and winter has yet to begin.
>
> -Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreg
It's gonna rain here tomorrow afternoon! In the 60's though!
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:40:25
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 18:27:53 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
Sorry Rob, I forgot to ask one question. Others responded as I did to
your original post. In fact, two before my post. Would you like to
reply to them, or.... never mind. I understand. You still could
never hit that shot that Tiger hit at Torrey Pines. LOL.
--
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\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:52:33
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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My African-American golfing friends seem to play about the same as my
non African-American golfing friends.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:25:49
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > > >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > > >> they see me.
> > > > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> > > essence very well :-)
> > >
> > > Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> > > some..end of story
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
> > African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
> > fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
> > years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
> > gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
> > a German-American. Hell no.
> >
> > They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
> > races. Big deal.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> I agree with you. No doubt the world would be a lot better off if we all thought
> that way. However it just isn't that way. IF we want to get along we have to
> respect people for who they want to be, ande not insist that they somehow have to
> be something we want them to be. What gets me about the criticism of my words is
> the unspoken assumption that I am somehow stigmatizing people by referring to them
> as African American.I see no such stigmatization, and really cannot imagine how
> anyone would see it that way, and more than it would to refer to a woman as a
> woman or a kid as a kid.
Well....despite your agreement, I'm still pissed about your OP.
74 degrees and playing golf. It has been alternately freezing or
raining here in the Great Wet North, and winter has yet to begin.
-Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreg
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:12:36
From:
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > > >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > > >> they see me.
> > > > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> > > essence very well :-)
> > >
> > > Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> > > some..end of story
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
> > African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
> > fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
> > years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
> > gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
> > a German-American. Hell no.
> >
> > They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
> > races. Big deal.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> I agree with you. No doubt the world would be a lot better off if we all thought
> that way. However it just isn't that way. IF we want to get along we have to
> respect people for who they want to be, ande not insist that they somehow have to
> be something we want them to be. What gets me about the criticism of my words is
> the unspoken assumption that I am somehow stigmatizing people by referring to them
> as African American.I see no such stigmatization, and really cannot imagine how
> anyone would see it that way, and more than it would to refer to a woman as a
> woman or a kid as a kid.
Exactly, the people that criticized you have to think long and hard
why they wouldn't have criticized you if you said "four female golfers"
(would they have said your a sexist, no) or "four elderly golfers"
(would they have said you an ageist, no) or even "four Japanese
golfers" (would they have said you a racist,no).
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:35:11
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Dene wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > >> they see me.
> > > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> >
> > I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> > essence very well :-)
> >
> > Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> > some..end of story
> >
> > Bill
>
> My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
> African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
> fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
> years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
> gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
> a German-American. Hell no.
>
> They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
> races. Big deal.
>
> -Greg
I agree with you. No doubt the world would be a lot better off if we all thought
that way. However it just isn't that way. IF we want to get along we have to
respect people for who they want to be, ande not insist that they somehow have to
be something we want them to be. What gets me about the criticism of my words is
the unspoken assumption that I am somehow stigmatizing people by referring to them
as African American.I see no such stigmatization, and really cannot imagine how
anyone would see it that way, and more than it would to refer to a woman as a
woman or a kid as a kid.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:27:19
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> What difference did it make that those golfers were
> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
> reference to it.
An interesting observation. Blacks are different than whites, that=B4s
for sure - they have got lower IQ and bigger dicks, but I can=B4t
believe it counts on the golf course. F
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:23:00
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> What difference did it make that those golfers were
> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
> reference to it.
<iqnorant crap snipped >
Real nice idiot.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:29:28
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:00 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1166574439.180678.209890@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> What difference did it make that those golfers were
>> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
>> reference to it.
><iqnorant crap snipped>
>
>Real nice idiot.
>
Please tell me that this was in response to Fairway's numbskull post
about the size of someone's penis...which which I guess he's
enthralled.
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:16:22
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:23:00 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1166574439.180678.209890@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>Bobby Knight wrote:
>>> What difference did it make that those golfers were
>>> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
>>> reference to it.
>><iqnorant crap snipped>
>>
>>Real nice idiot.
>>
> Please tell me that this was in response to Fairway's numbskull post
> about the size of someone's penis...which which I guess he's
> enthralled.
>
That would be the one. He does bring that up a lot.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:24:57
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious.
Dammit Bobby, you must stop memorizing those bloody dictionaries....
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:00:50
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 14:24:57 -0800, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> Great use of sesquipedalianism to avoid the obvious.
>Dammit Bobby, you must stop memorizing those bloody dictionaries....
You're right. I had to look up the word obvious. :-)
--
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:56:26
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bill wrote:
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> >> they see me.
> > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
>
> I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> essence very well :-)
>
> Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> some..end of story
>
> Bill
My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
a German-American. Hell no.
They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
races. Big deal.
-Greg
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:46:02
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:11:54 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> >You slimy little prick.
> >
> >The only two things that you can lay claim to here are:
> >1) being the only person ever to be asked NOT to attend an RSG
> >tournament.
> >2) shooting off your mouth to show how absolutely stupid you are.
> >
> > Botany is a subcategory of Biology, and Rob states on this page that
> >"My teaching specialties are Plant Ecology, and Genetics. My main
> >research interests are the plant ecology and plant genomics".
> >
> >Now go look up the term " botany". You might find that it includes
> >plants. Now who shows demented intelligence?
> >
> >Then you can resume your low-life stalking of Dalecki, Strauss,
> >Newell and me.
>
> Oops....here's the url
> http://www.mc.edu/campus/users/rhamilto/
> bk
This proves what an ignorant ass for referring to Rob as "stupid."
Anytime I'm expecting you to say some denigrating comments about his
degrees, just like the mealy-mouth stunt you pulled with Eric, who for
the record has multiple degrees and more important, is a much saner,
smarter, kinder person than you've ever been or will be.
Tootin a horn. An RSG nitpicker. What a legacy.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:37:37
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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The_Professor wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
> > grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
> > that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
> > around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
> > would you know?
>
> Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
> who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
> again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
> community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
> Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
> doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
> for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
> not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
> meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
> with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
> These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
> strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
Well said, Rob. I would question whether the Knipper even has a black
friend.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:25:47
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
> would you know?
Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:47:30
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 13:25:47 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
>> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
>> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
>> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
>> would you know?
>
>Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
>who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
>again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
>community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
>Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
>doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
>for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
>not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
>meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
>with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
>These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
>strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
We have several members of color in our club, one of whom is a
regular member of our group. As a matter of fact, there are none
employed as servants or otherwise...except for several latinos that
are workers on the golf course.
I also am well aware of the forward strides that areas in the south
have made towards community integration. That doesn't make a whit of
difference when you decided to describe a group because of their
ethnicity.
What difference did it make that those golfers were
African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
about Mike too.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:50:03
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 13:25:47 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
> >> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
> >> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
> >> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
> >> would you know?
> >
> >Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
> >who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
> >again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
> >community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
> >Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
> >doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
> >for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
> >not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
> >meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
> >with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
> >These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
> >strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
>
> We have several members of color in our club, one of whom is a
> regular member of our group. As a matter of fact, there are none
> employed as servants or otherwise...except for several latinos that
> are workers on the golf course.
>
> I also am well aware of the forward strides that areas in the south
> have made towards community integration. That doesn't make a whit of
> difference when you decided to describe a group because of their
> ethnicity.
>
> What difference did it make that those golfers were
> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
> reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
> about Mike too.
>
A good point, wehat difference does it make if they were African American,
and why would it matter if I say so. If I were on a golf course where
everyone were African American and I was the only Caucasian, I would in no
way be upset if you referred to me as Causian, or white, or Anglo, or
whatever. What difference does it make...unless you think I am applying some
sort of undersirable label to people by referring to them as say African
American.....cool thing here is that you and Levac are on the same side
here...and I'm on the other side! If I ran into a group of Cajuns, and said
so, you think David Laville would take offense? You are aware, I hope, that
it is not you or I who choose to refer to people as Cajuns or African
Americans; it is the people themselves. The only issue I see for myself is:
do I respect that?
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:57:31
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:50:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> What difference did it make that those golfers were
>> African -American? Obviously there was some to you, because you made
>> reference to it. Yep, you're wrong about me, and I would assume
>> about Mike too.
>>
>
>A good point, wehat difference does it make if they were African American,
>and why would it matter if I say so. If I were on a golf course where
>everyone were African American and I was the only Caucasian, I would in no
>way be upset if you referred to me as Causian, or white, or Anglo, or
>whatever. What difference does it make...unless you think I am applying some
>sort of undersirable label to people by referring to them as say African
>American.....cool thing here is that you and Levac are on the same side
>here...and I'm on the other side! If I ran into a group of Cajuns, and said
>so, you think David Laville would take offense? You are aware, I hope, that
>it is not you or I who choose to refer to people as Cajuns or African
>Americans; it is the people themselves. The only issue I see for myself is:
>do I respect that?
>
You just don't get it. You mentioned that you weren't casting a
stigma on the group. I agree. There is no way, Rob, that I think
that you're a racist. Prejudiced? Maybe. The only stigma is yours,
that you chose to separate that group from the rest of the golfers on
the course. They were four golfers. Period.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 15:58:07
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1166563546.980909.229210@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
>> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
>> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
>> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
>> would you know?
>
> Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
> who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
> again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
> community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
> Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
> doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
> for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
> not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
> meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
> with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
> These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
> strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
>
So what ever happened to the great melting pot called America? Why does
everyone need their own "community" these days? Communities divide, period.
You can try to justify it all you want if it makes you feel better. Oh, and
you're wrong as usuall.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:32:21
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote in message
> news:1166563546.980909.229210@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't deign to say that this exists in Minnesota, but having
> >> grown up in the deep south, and now living in Texas, I can tell you
> >> that this effect can be exercised on some. When one is constantly
> >> around rednecks that thinking can rub off. Sad, but true, but how
> >> would you know?
> >
> > Really? Tell me all about Mississippi, Mr. Knight. 40% of the people
> > who live in the area I live are African American...whoops, there I go
> > again with that......bet you wouldn't be caught dead in such a
> > community, eh? How many African Americans golf at your country club?
> > Whoops, there I go again...if we can say the African American community
> > doesn't exist then we can say it doesn't matter...and that's the thing
> > for you, isn't it? How to live a racially segregated Cacasian life but
> > not be forced to see yourself as living such a life! Who serves your
> > meals in the grill at your country club...and who do you play golf
> > with? Who lives in the house next door vs who collects your trash?
> > These are the telling things. Maybe I am wrong about you here, but I
> > strongly suspet not. Same for Mr. Minnesota.
> >
> So what ever happened to the great melting pot called America? Why does
> everyone need their own "community" these days? Communities divide, period.
> You can try to justify it all you want if it makes you feel better. Oh, and
> you're wrong as usuall.
OK. Fine. I'm wrong. Now you need to go to say Jackson State University and
tell them they need to not identify themselves as African American. Same for
Alcorn State, Mississippi Valley State and Tougaloo College. It clashes with
your view of the great melting pot. I suspect they might say: Great! You've
seen the light...so when are you going to become like us and dispose of those
Euro Caucasian traditions!!
Some will say they don't want us to blend in with them. They want the country
partitioned, with a large section of the southeast given over to African
American rule and the rest of the country paying substantial reparations, and
there is a lot more support for this in the African American community than you
might think. How do I know this? They have the question the passerby polls on
this every once in a while on the news, and it was an eye opener to me to see
how many people support the idea.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 01:20:37
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:32:21 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>Some will say they don't want us to blend in with them.
I see lots and lots of people who don't want blending. For instance,
those who don't want the country to become more Hispanic. Blending
is for others to become like us.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:43:00
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> >Well at least it wasn't salt out of semen! :-)
>
> Damn. How do you separate that???? :)
According to Big Tex, the salt sticks to your teeth.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 13:14:40
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> So just what is you explanation for "Mississippi getting into your blood"?
> You seem to be implying that being in MS somehow make you more "color aware"
> Talk about stirring shit.
>
> As I stated, what Rob said was dumb. A simple "a foursome waved me through
> right away" would have have been enough.
Knight is just another trolling phoney progressive looking to justify
his progressive credentials through the running down of others.
The fact is that there are a group of poeple in the US who choose to
call themselves "African Americans". If you or Mr. Knight have a
problem with that, it's your/his problem, not mine. I can respect it,
and will continue to respect African Americans, and recognize their
culture and traditions despite the attempts of people like you to
homogenize everyone into one single flavor of person.
We live in a socially, culturally and politically diverse society
because the people who live in this society choose to be so, regardless
of what neofascist liberal progressives want. African Americans,
Hispanic Americans (be they Cuban Americans or Mexican Americans),
Native Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, ....... aren't
going to sell out their cultural tradtions for your sake, that's for
sure. Because they are all Americans in the fullest and most equal of
senses, they all have the right to honor whatever cultural tradtions
they want, and I will try my best to recognize, honor and respect the
cultural tradtions of all such groups as best I can because, I suppose,
I am simply more progressive in this area than your typical neofascist
liberal progressive....something I get, in part, from living in a
culturally diverse place like Mississippi.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:47:16
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 19 Dec 2006 13:14:40 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>
>MnMikew wrote:
>
>> So just what is you explanation for "Mississippi getting into your blood"?
>> You seem to be implying that being in MS somehow make you more "color aware"
>> Talk about stirring shit.
>>
>> As I stated, what Rob said was dumb. A simple "a foursome waved me through
>> right away" would have have been enough.
>
>Knight is just another trolling phoney progressive looking to justify
>his progressive credentials through the running down of others.
You mean that observing that you needlessly designated a group by
their ethnicity? That's running you down? That's just a fact.
>
<clip more excessive verbage >
>I am simply more progressive in this area than your typical neofascist
>liberal progressive....something I get, in part, from living in a
>culturally diverse place like Mississippi.
Please tell us what a typical neofascist liberal progressive might
be, other than an oxymoron.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:30:57
From: Douglas Siebert
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > writes:
>A glorious day in any event, but no matter what these days, you can't
>escape inconsiderate slow golfing jerks! +4 for the front, +10 for the
>back with ESC score for the 2 hole missed. Short game died on the back.
If you skip a hole or two you aren't supposed to take ESC for the holes you
miss, you are supposed to take the score you "most likely would have had".
Otherwise the easiest way to sandbag would be to just skip a few holes
every time you play -- and it wouldn't even be cheating!
--
Douglas Siebert dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net
You're only young once, but you can be immature forever.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:44:12
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> Rob, you are really full of shit. You have no idea what I think, or
> feel, or do, to help or hinder others of any race. You have no idea
> what my goals are, or what my financial means happen to be. First you
> try to take a shot at me by asking what color the workers at my club
> are, implying that we treat them as menials....then when I tell you
> that there are no black servers, you try to use THAT as a demeaning
> factor.
Yeah....your RSG record reveals your tolerance level.
> I will guarantee you...that should be in caps...that I have
> coexisted, and worked, with more professional blacks than you ever
> have. Plus, you'd know their names. You're foolish to even deign to
> tell anyone else how they think or feel, since you seem not to know
> yourself.
>
> You'd be much better off not to cast aspersions, especially those that
> imply predjudice towards blacks, at me. You're way out of your league
> there, and knowing my background makes me think that you're even more
> stupid than I thought.
>
> Loosen up, no one cares that you're a windbag with nothing in your
> head except botany....at which I grant that you are a master.
It's biology. Funny how you can question Rob's intelligence yet mix up
Botany and Biology. Signs of dementia or demented intelligence?
-Greg
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:11:54
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 20 Dec 2006 10:44:12 -0800, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> Loosen up, no one cares that you're a windbag with nothing in your
>> head except botany....at which I grant that you are a master.
>
>It's biology. Funny how you can question Rob's intelligence yet mix up
>Botany and Biology. Signs of dementia or demented intelligence?
>
>-Greg
I've just got to make sure that all of my computers have the same kill
file.
You slimy little prick.
The only two things that you can lay claim to here are:
1) being the only person ever to be asked NOT to attend an RSG
tournament.
2) shooting off your mouth to show how absolutely stupid you are.
Botany is a subcategory of Biology, and Rob states on this page that
"My teaching specialties are Plant Ecology, and Genetics. My main
research interests are the plant ecology and plant genomics".
Now go look up the term " botany". You might find that it includes
plants. Now who shows demented intelligence?
Then you can resume your low-life stalking of Dalecki, Strauss,
Newell and me.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:14:33
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:11:54 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>>Bobby Knight wrote:
>You slimy little prick.
>
>The only two things that you can lay claim to here are:
>1) being the only person ever to be asked NOT to attend an RSG
>tournament.
>2) shooting off your mouth to show how absolutely stupid you are.
>
> Botany is a subcategory of Biology, and Rob states on this page that
>"My teaching specialties are Plant Ecology, and Genetics. My main
>research interests are the plant ecology and plant genomics".
>
>Now go look up the term " botany". You might find that it includes
>plants. Now who shows demented intelligence?
>
>Then you can resume your low-life stalking of Dalecki, Strauss,
>Newell and me.
Oops....here's the url
http://www.mc.edu/campus/users/rhamilto/
bk
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:22:29
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> >
> So you somehow think that Minnesota is devoid of Rednecks? Remember, we're
> right next door to Wisconsin. :-)
If there were 4 black guys on a golf course in Minnesota somebody would
call the cops, unless they were paving the cart paths.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:30:24
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1166631748.971341.193930@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> >
>> So you somehow think that Minnesota is devoid of Rednecks? Remember,
>> we're
>> right next door to Wisconsin. :-)
>
> If there were 4 black guys on a golf course in Minnesota somebody would
> call the cops,.
>
Seeing that most all courses here are closed, perhaps they would.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 07:39:50
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 18:27:53 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry Rob, I forgot to ask one question. Others responded as I did to
> your original post. In fact, two before my post. Would you like to
> reply to them, or.... never mind. I understand. You still could
> never hit that shot that Tiger hit at Torrey Pines. LOL.
People like you aren't hard to figure. People like you think that these
poor, downtrodden minorities need your help to get by...they need you
to make choices for them...and of course we all need to come together
and be just like you. A Native American businessman cannot come to work
in traditional Native American dress, because you consider it to be
unusual. African Americans cannot use colloquialisms and syntax that
characterize the African American community in the workplace because
you don't use such language patterns. Now me, and people like me don't
care. Wear what you want to work, and as long as I understand what you
say, I don't care what colloquialisms or syntax you use when you speak
to me, and if I want to speak to you, I recognize it is up to me to
understand you; it is not up to you to speak in a manner that I
understand (of course if you want to speak to me those roles are
reversed). Of course you will always come back with the idea of what
behaviors are "best", and it's not a race thing, it just so happens
that your traditions are "best".
Recognition of different cultural traditions takes you and those like
you out of your comfort zone. The last thing you want to do is deal
with life as African Americans almost always do. You golf at a club
where almost everyone is white. Try golfing at a club where everyone is
African American and you are one of a handful of people who are not.
Maybe then you might understand why many (like almost all) African
Americans want to hold on to their culture and not be absorbed into
yours.
To you, progress is assimilation; you are like The Borg! To me,
progress is achived though the recognition and celebration of
diversity, along with the development of the understanding that leads
to mutual tolerances of diversity. If a Native American IP services
salesman wants to wear Native American Dress to work, it is
meaningless. All that really matters businesswise is his sales record.
That many people are social neanderthals like you hardly surpises me.
You cannot let go of the idea that when someone refers to a person
based on the cultural group they choose to represent, the reference
must be derogatory. You simply cannot see that doing so is more often a
sign of acknowledgement and respect. Even the people you would call
rednecks, a clear derogatory demonization of those people on your part,
are coming around to this, but you can't see it from your country club.
I can see it at my muni though!
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 10:17:53
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 20 Dec 2006 07:39:50 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2006 18:27:53 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Rob, I forgot to ask one question. Others responded as I did to
>> your original post. In fact, two before my post. Would you like to
>> reply to them, or.... never mind. I understand. You still could
>> never hit that shot that Tiger hit at Torrey Pines. LOL.
>
>People like you aren't hard to figure.
<clip usual wordy nothingness)
Rob, you are really full of shit. You have no idea what I think, or
feel, or do, to help or hinder others of any race. You have no idea
what my goals are, or what my financial means happen to be. First you
try to take a shot at me by asking what color the workers at my club
are, implying that we treat them as menials....then when I tell you
that there are no black servers, you try to use THAT as a demeaning
factor.
I will guarantee you...that should be in caps...that I have
coexisted, and worked, with more professional blacks than you ever
have. Plus, you'd know their names. You're foolish to even deign to
tell anyone else how they think or feel, since you seem not to know
yourself.
You'd be much better off not to cast aspersions, especially those that
imply predjudice towards blacks, at me. You're way out of your league
there, and knowing my background makes me think that you're even more
stupid than I thought.
Loosen up, no one cares that you're a windbag with nothing in your
head except botany....at which I grant that you are a master.
___,
\o
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> Rob ...snip..You have no idea what I think, or
> feel, or do, to help or hinder others of any race.
First, you jumped on me here. You likewise have no idea what I think or feel,
but you cast inuedendo with the best of them.
>
> I will guarantee you...that should be in caps...that I have
> coexisted, and worked, with more professional blacks than you ever
> have. Plus, you'd know their names.
So have many died in the wool racists, as you must well know. That means
nothing.
>
> You'd be much better off not to cast aspersions, especially those that
> imply predjudice towards blacks, at me. You're way out of your league
> there, and knowing my background makes me think that you're even more
> stupid than I thought.
You jumped on me here. You started it. You cast aspersions towards me, and I
tossed a few back. If you find such activity so distasteful, refrain.
When you jump on me for using the term African American to describe people,
it clearly implies a belief that the term is somehow derogatory. Otherwise,
what difference could it make? In any event, suggesting or implying that the
term African American is derogatory is in fact revealing regardless of what
you might want to think. I see it as complimentary, BTW, FWIW, and meant it
as a compliment in the post; in contrast with the 5some, towards whom I was
derogatory and *THUSLY* did not identify in any sort of
ethnic/gender/religious/personal (other than golfwise) sense.
Again, you attacked me for nothing. Slow day I suppose. You have to expect me
to defend myself, as you have to know by now that I am more than game for it.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 22:47:19
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>So have many died in the wool racists, as you must well know. That means
>nothing.
Racists are just a subset of the much more popular "other-ists".
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 00:48:47
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >So have many died in the wool racists, as you must well know. That means
> >nothing.
>
> Racists are just a subset of the much more popular "other-ists".
That's very true.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 16:25:44
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>You jumped on me here. You started it. You cast aspersions towards me, and I
>tossed a few back. If you find such activity so distasteful, refrain.
As a matter of fact, there were two posts before mine that took issue
with your usage. I didn't start it, but you weren't interested in
replying to them as much as to me.
>
>When you jump on me for using the term African American to describe people,
>it clearly implies a belief that the term is somehow derogatory. Otherwise,
>what difference could it make? In any event, suggesting or implying that the
>term African American is derogatory is in fact revealing regardless of what
>you might want to think. I see it as complimentary, BTW, FWIW, and meant it
>as a compliment in the post; in contrast with the 5some, towards whom I was
>derogatory and *THUSLY* did not identify in any sort of
>ethnic/gender/religious/personal (other than golfwise) sense.
>
I never said that it was derogatory, in fact, I don't believe for a
second that you meant it so. It was just, as the other posters said,
unnecessary. They were just golfers and didn't need to be set apart.
>Again, you attacked me for nothing. Slow day I suppose. You have to expect me
>to defend myself, as you have to know by now that I am more than game for it.
You've always been game for it.
bk
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 00:48:03
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >You jumped on me here. You started it. You cast aspersions towards me, and I
> >tossed a few back. If you find such activity so distasteful, refrain.
>
> As a matter of fact, there were two posts before mine that took issue
> with your usage. I didn't start it, but you weren't interested in
> replying to them as much as to me.
> >
That's not true at all. They made their point and let it go. The usual style for
such things is point, counterpoint, rebuttal, move on...as you know. In fact, you
replied to replies made to my post! I see no problem in using ethnic adjectives
when describing people and you do. Other than that, there is no real meaning to
it. If you want to speculate though, I'm game!
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:09:17
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:48:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You jumped on me here. You started it. You cast aspersions towards me, and I
>> >tossed a few back. If you find such activity so distasteful, refrain.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, there were two posts before mine that took issue
>> with your usage. I didn't start it, but you weren't interested in
>> replying to them as much as to me.
>> >
>
>That's not true at all. They made their point and let it go. The usual style for
>such things is point, counterpoint, rebuttal, move on...as you know. In fact, you
>replied to replies made to my post! I see no problem in using ethnic adjectives
>when describing people and you do. Other than that, there is no real meaning to
>it. If you want to speculate though, I'm game!
But you didn't move on. I wasn't confronting you, until you started
in on my posts. Check it out, if you can sort by subject. Mike,
Bill and I were having a discussion and then you zeroed in on me. I
still agree with them that there was no reason to use any adjective in
describing the foursome. That's not speculating, just an honest
opinion. No one can keep you from using any terms that you want, but
anyone can disagree with you, and several did. Another thousand words
by either of us won't change that, so AFAIC continue on. By yourself.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 05:27:31
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:48:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:13:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >You jumped on me here. You started it. You cast aspersions towards me, and I
> >> >tossed a few back. If you find such activity so distasteful, refrain.
> >>
> >> As a matter of fact, there were two posts before mine that took issue
> >> with your usage. I didn't start it, but you weren't interested in
> >> replying to them as much as to me.
> >> >
> >
> >That's not true at all. They made their point and let it go. The usual style for
> >such things is point, counterpoint, rebuttal, move on...as you know. In fact, you
> >replied to replies made to my post! I see no problem in using ethnic adjectives
> >when describing people and you do. Other than that, there is no real meaning to
> >it. If you want to speculate though, I'm game!
>
> But you didn't move on. I wasn't confronting you, until you started
> in on my posts. Check it out, if you can sort by subject. Mike,
> Bill and I were having a discussion and then you zeroed in on me. I
> still agree with them that there was no reason to use any adjective in
> describing the foursome. That's not speculating, just an honest
> opinion. No one can keep you from using any terms that you want, but
> anyone can disagree with you, and several did. Another thousand words
> by either of us won't change that, so AFAIC continue on. By yourself.
>
The fact is, looking back on the thread, you responded to more of the posts than I
did. So you don't think I had "good reason" to refer to African Americans as such.
Fine. So move on, like everyone else has. This is my 16th post on this thread. You
have 20. I have responded to others like "Bill", "Fairway", "MnMikew" and "Dene". I
have responded to your attacks as well, which are numerous. And those aren't
speculations, those are facts. I note also the fact that Howard Brazee made the same
references, with no response from you. Hence my belief that your posting here is
trollish. All I did was describe some golf, and you attacked it, and ranted on for 20
posts on some meaningless point directed at attacking me personally; a fact that
speaks for itself. The other cogent fact is that I never do this to you.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:16:58
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Gee, a racist golfer.
What a rare and precious thing.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:17:28
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> > Closed? For what?
> > We hit a record high the other day (73) breaking the previous record
> > set in 1924.
> > Global Warming Rules!
> >
> Closed for uh, winter perhaps? Though it will be nice if winter ever starts
> up here. Another 45F day with no snow in sight. Global warming sucks.
Sounds like you got it made. Balmy days and all the free golf you can
play.
Do they take the flagsticks up in the Winter? Probably won't hurt your
score at all, just aim for the middle of the green.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 14:07:21
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> My African-American golfing friends seem to play about the same as my
> non African-American golfing friends.
Ummm, happy for you Howard. <I Think >................
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 22:53:18
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On 20 Dec 2006 14:07:21 -0800, "Gordo" <golfzlf@gmail.com > wrote:
>> My African-American golfing friends seem to play about the same as my
>> non African-American golfing friends.
>
>Ummm, happy for you Howard. <I Think>................
Well the guy who's about at my level hasn't played for a year since
his kidney transplant. One guy is retiring tomorrow from my work
who's considerably better than I am. He has put on a few annual
tournaments in the mountains that I've gone to that were mostly black.
My flight of the Men's club is all white, but it is my intention to
improve to the better flight which has a black man - although the
kidney transplant guy lives next to the course and wants to join the
Men's club.
In my "we vs they" mind here, we is golfers.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 12:34:24
From: Dene
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> >
> Closed for uh, winter perhaps? Though it will be nice if winter ever starts
> up here. Another 45F day with no snow in sight. Global warming sucks.
Can't you play golf in that?
-Greg
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 15:48:13
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1166646864.073170.40190@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>
>> >
>> Closed for uh, winter perhaps? Though it will be nice if winter ever
>> starts
>> up here. Another 45F day with no snow in sight. Global warming sucks.
>
> Can't you play golf in that?
>
I suppose you could. My swing is bad enough without jackets and gloves. It's
icefishing and snowmobiling season for me now.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 22:46:11
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:48:13 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>I suppose you could. My swing is bad enough without jackets and gloves. It's
>icefishing and snowmobiling season for me now.
We've got a major snowstorm around Denver. I left work early and the
radio is telling how hard it is to get around now. I'm sorry that
yesterday I only brought my thicker jacket to work - I try to bring my
light jacket in my car so I can go to the range if it's too cold for
shirtsleeves. I need to go to the gym now around 3 times per week
for my cardio work, but it might be after Christmas before the courses
are open with this amount of snow.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:26:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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MnMikew wrote:
> >
> > If there were 4 black guys on a golf course in Minnesota somebody would
> > call the cops,.
> >
> Seeing that most all courses here are closed, perhaps they would.
Closed? For what?
We hit a record high the other day (73) breaking the previous record
set in 1924.
Global Warming Rules!
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 14:29:31
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1166642792.272105.36310@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> >
>> > If there were 4 black guys on a golf course in Minnesota somebody would
>> > call the cops,.
>> >
>> Seeing that most all courses here are closed, perhaps they would.
>
> Closed? For what?
> We hit a record high the other day (73) breaking the previous record
> set in 1924.
> Global Warming Rules!
>
Closed for uh, winter perhaps? Though it will be nice if winter ever starts
up here. Another 45F day with no snow in sight. Global warming sucks.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 11:10:57
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: 74 deg. Dec 18...what to do?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1166542137.210599.303420@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> I figured golf. The lawn doesn't need mowing. I get out there and run
> > > >> into a 4some of African American guys who wave me through as soon as
> > > >> they see me.
> > > > And who were those guys? Ernie Els and Immelmann or what?
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask a question about the same thing but I think you captured the
> > > essence very well :-)
> > >
> > > Would have been nicer or better, I think, just saying he ran into a four
> > > some..end of story
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > My only beef with Rob's comment is the use of the word,
> > African-American. What a pile of crap that designation is. Were these
> > fellas born in Africa? Doubtful. Sure there ancestors were, over 150
> > years ago, but that's irrelevent. Same is true for my ancestry. My
> > gggrandfather came over from Germany in the 1840's. Does that make me
> > a German-American. Hell no.
> >
> > They were black. I'm white. America consists of people of various
> > races. Big deal.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> I agree with you. No doubt the world would be a lot better off if we all thought
> that way. However it just isn't that way. IF we want to get along we have to
> respect people for who they want to be, ande not insist that they somehow have to
> be something we want them to be. What gets me about the criticism of my words is
> the unspoken assumption that I am somehow stigmatizing people by referring to them
> as African American.I see no such stigmatization, and really cannot imagine how
> anyone would see it that way, and more than it would to refer to a woman as a
> woman or a kid as a kid.
I stand behind my original statemeent in the thread. People are
categorized every day as it relates to race, national origin and the
sort. Leave it to RSG (or any other discussion group) to just jump on
a part of the post to try to make someone look foolish. Once again,
the anonymity of the internet is above the board.
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