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Date: 24 Aug 2006 15:28:17
From: jdavis
Subject: 2006 Ryder Cup
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With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:14:42
From: johnty
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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greenkeeper wrote:
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> When was the last time they did use a links?
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Lytham St Annes, thirty years ago.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 17:56:25
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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In message
<clark.31-6ADAC8.08030925082006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >,
William A. T. Clark <clark.31@osu.edu > writes
>In article <1156487952.430187.142550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jdavis wrote:
>> > With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
>> > have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
>> > has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
>> > though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
>>
>> Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's colossally
>> strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't always
>> work out that way, though.
>
>My sense is that the US has a better chance of taking this one than for
>quite a while. The Europeans have clearly shown that a bunch of eager,
>enthusiastic, up and comers love nothing more than to stick it to the
>fancied favorites.
>
>Plus they are playing on an inland, American-style, course, and not the
>seaside links they could have (more sensibly) used.
>
>I take the US to win this one.
>
>William Clark
When was the last time they did use a links?
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905
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alan
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 13:17:15
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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In article <HHllHD65uy7EFwTV@alancampbell.demon.co.uk >,
greenkeeper <greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> In message
> <clark.31-6ADAC8.08030925082006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> William A. T. Clark <clark.31@osu.edu> writes
> >In article <1156487952.430187.142550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> jdavis wrote:
> >> > With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
> >> > have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
> >> > has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
> >> > though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
> >>
> >> Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's colossally
> >> strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't always
> >> work out that way, though.
> >
> >My sense is that the US has a better chance of taking this one than for
> >quite a while. The Europeans have clearly shown that a bunch of eager,
> >enthusiastic, up and comers love nothing more than to stick it to the
> >fancied favorites.
> >
> >Plus they are playing on an inland, American-style, course, and not the
> >seaside links they could have (more sensibly) used.
> >
> >I take the US to win this one.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> When was the last time they did use a links?
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905
I don't know. In their recent run of success (1985 on), they were locked
contractually into using The Belfry, which is a long way short of a
classic course, but owned by the British PGA. Now they are out of that,
let's hope for some real courses in the rotation. The problem, I think,
is twofold. Number one, links course, by their very nature, tend to be
difficult to get to and from, so handling the anticipated crowd is an
issue. Secondly, they are not set up a "tv friendly", and the networks
prefer the more modern venues.
But we can always hope. Royal Portrush, Royal County Down, or
Portmarnock would all have been more interesting than the K Club.
William Clark
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 12:30:27
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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"jdavis" <jddvs@aol.com > wrote ...
> With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
> have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
> has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
> though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
The "experienced" US team that always looked far superior, talent-wise, on
paper did a fine job of losing more Ryder Cups than they won in the last
decade or so. So maybe having some fresh blood who doesn't carry the
baggage of being accustomed to losing will be a good thing for the US this
time.
Randy
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 23:39:12
From: johnty
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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jdavis wrote:
> With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
> have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
> has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
> though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's colossally
strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't always
work out that way, though.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 08:03:09
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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In article <1156487952.430187.142550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
> jdavis wrote:
> > With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
> > have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
> > has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
> > though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
>
> Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's colossally
> strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't always
> work out that way, though.
My sense is that the US has a better chance of taking this one than for
quite a while. The Europeans have clearly shown that a bunch of eager,
enthusiastic, up and comers love nothing more than to stick it to the
fancied favorites.
Plus they are playing on an inland, American-style, course, and not the
seaside links they could have (more sensibly) used.
I take the US to win this one.
William Clark
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 19:25:26
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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In message <1156526082.571942.61440@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >, johnty
<johnty1@hotmail.com > writes
>
>greenkeeper wrote:
>
>>
>> When was the last time they did use a links?
>>
>>
>
>Lytham St Annes, thirty years ago.
>
Was it really that long ago? I was there for one of the days.
I would agree though some may try and claim Kiawah Island as a links.
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/60432239
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alan
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:31:43
From: johnty
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <HHllHD65uy7EFwTV@alancampbell.demon.co.uk>,
> greenkeeper <greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message
> > <clark.31-6ADAC8.08030925082006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> > William A. T. Clark <clark.31@osu.edu> writes
> > >In article <1156487952.430187.142550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> jdavis wrote:
> > >> > With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will they
> > >> > have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless Leyman
> > >> > has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks as
> > >> > though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
> > >>
> > >> Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's colossally
> > >> strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't always
> > >> work out that way, though.
> > >
> > >My sense is that the US has a better chance of taking this one than for
> > >quite a while. The Europeans have clearly shown that a bunch of eager,
> > >enthusiastic, up and comers love nothing more than to stick it to the
> > >fancied favorites.
> > >
> > >Plus they are playing on an inland, American-style, course, and not the
> > >seaside links they could have (more sensibly) used.
> > >
> > >I take the US to win this one.
> > >
> > >William Clark
> >
> > When was the last time they did use a links?
> >
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905
>
> I don't know. In their recent run of success (1985 on), they were locked
> contractually into using The Belfry, which is a long way short of a
> classic course, but owned by the British PGA.
No, it's owned by the Hotel group, De Vere. The PGA headquarters are
right next door, though.
> let's hope for some real courses in the rotation. The problem, I think,
> is twofold. Number one, links course, by their very nature, tend to be
> difficult to get to and from, so handling the anticipated crowd is an
> issue.
> Secondly, they are not set up a "tv friendly", and the networks
> prefer the more modern venues.
Already taken care of by those on the Open Championship rota, surely.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 15:43:02
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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In article <1156699902.934119.145960@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <HHllHD65uy7EFwTV@alancampbell.demon.co.uk>,
> > greenkeeper <greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > In message
> > > <clark.31-6ADAC8.08030925082006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> > > William A. T. Clark <clark.31@osu.edu> writes
> > > >In article <1156487952.430187.142550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> jdavis wrote:
> > > >> > With the inexperience of the U.S. team, how much of a chance will
> > > >> > they
> > > >> > have against the experience and talent of the Europeans. Unless
> > > >> > Leyman
> > > >> > has something going that the rest of the world can't see, it looks
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > though the dominance of the Europeans is going to be a lock to me.
> > > >>
> > > >> Which is what people thought a few years ago about the USA's
> > > >> colossally
> > > >> strong team against a bunch of inexperienced Europeans. Doesn't
> > > >> always
> > > >> work out that way, though.
> > > >
> > > >My sense is that the US has a better chance of taking this one than for
> > > >quite a while. The Europeans have clearly shown that a bunch of eager,
> > > >enthusiastic, up and comers love nothing more than to stick it to the
> > > >fancied favorites.
> > > >
> > > >Plus they are playing on an inland, American-style, course, and not the
> > > >seaside links they could have (more sensibly) used.
> > > >
> > > >I take the US to win this one.
> > > >
> > > >William Clark
> > >
> > > When was the last time they did use a links?
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905
> >
> > I don't know. In their recent run of success (1985 on), they were locked
> > contractually into using The Belfry, which is a long way short of a
> > classic course, but owned by the British PGA.
>
> No, it's owned by the Hotel group, De Vere. The PGA headquarters are
> right next door, though.
>
>
> > let's hope for some real courses in the rotation. The problem, I think,
> > is twofold. Number one, links course, by their very nature, tend to be
> > difficult to get to and from, so handling the anticipated crowd is an
> > issue.
> > Secondly, they are not set up a "tv friendly", and the networks
> > prefer the more modern venues.
>
>
> Already taken care of by those on the Open Championship rota, surely.
One would think so, but it seems clear that there are commercial
pressures that appear to outweigh the golfing ones. I know that access
was a major concern for Portmarnock, which sits on the Howth Peninsula,
and has very limited traffic access.
William Clark
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 02:00:43
From: Simon
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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johnty wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>
> >
> > One would think so, but it seems clear that there are commercial
> > pressures that appear to outweigh the golfing ones.
>
>
> For sure, and none more blatant than the choice of Celtic Manor.
What's wrong with Celtic Manor? From the top of the hotel you can get a
magnificent view of Llanwern steelworks. :-/
When I used to do some work down at Llanwern I would stay at the
Travelodge (a few hundred yards from CM) for =A340 a night. I wonder if
their rooms are booked up already?!
I might try and get to that RC. Even though I live over the border in
Somserset, it's only about 30 mins to get to Newport.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 23:01:47
From: johnty
Subject: Re: 2006 Ryder Cup
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
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> One would think so, but it seems clear that there are commercial
> pressures that appear to outweigh the golfing ones.
For sure, and none more blatant than the choice of Celtic Manor.
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