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Date: 22 Apr 2007 14:31:24
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.




 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 08:17:37
From: CinderellaBoy
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

The other point I was trying to make was the relative unfairness of
the fact that the top players can play only those events with the
biggest rewards and still win all the honors. To extend the baseball
analogy, it would be like the Yankees playing only half the games that
the Devil Rays do because they can afford to sit out, then still
qualifying for the world series despite the fact that they didn't opt
to play most of the season. Seems like the playing field ought to be
level for everyone.

But then again, at the end of the day the PGA isn't about being fair,
its about making money. And for that the current system functions
perfectly.


On Apr 24, 8:37 am, me <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote:
> On Apr 22, 6:55 pm, "Pickmaster" <hots...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.a...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net..
>
> > > The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> > > the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> > > How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
> > struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
> > rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
> > everyone of the smaller venue tour events?
>
> The TOUR kicks around this problem continuously. Since the TOUR is
> run by the players, they tend to try to create incentives instead of
> mandates.
> It has occurred to me however that, much like some "union" type jobs
> like
> pilots and FA's, they could have "bids" on "schedules". At the
> beginning
> of the year, you select a schedule based upon your standing.
> Basically they
> take all the events that need more support, and each one only has
> "room"
> for a certain number of the top 50 (or 30 or something). You commit
> to
> playing in those events. Once you complete your commitment, you can
> "add" as many additional events as you wish. You can also "swap"
> particular tournaments with other equally (or higher) qualified
> players.
> They could even "add" players as the year progressed who could take
> over a slot from a particular player. (some no-name wins a major,
> now qualifies to take a slot for a top 50 player).
>
> Of the top of my head I'd guess that there are 20 events during
> the
> year that need some support. So you take those 20 and decide
> you want to ensure 10 players from the top 50 play. So you create
> 10 "slots" that the top 50 players must "fill" at the beginning of the
> year.
> That means each player must play 4 of those slots. Tiger gets
> to fill whatever 4 slots he wants. Mr. 50 picks whatever 4 are left.
> Once the year starts, Mr. 50 can try to swap with Davis Love if
> Davis is feeling tired or something. But each tournament is
> guaranteed 10 top 50 players. Some will get more because
> Mr. 50 might wanna play more than 4 of them. Fred Funk is
> probably the guy alot of folks "swap" with. (Fred plays 6 of
> them some guy only has to play 2). But those events will
> get 10 of the top 50. You can even break it up into slots for
> the first 10, second 10, etc. to ensure a spread of players
> from the top to the bottom.
>
> There are only about a bajillion ways to work the system, but
> it is the basic form that alot of professional "shift" work is
> covered.
> Everything from emergency rooms to fire stations.




  
Date: 25 Apr 2007 12:19:55
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
The FedEx Cup attempts to level that playing field with each regular
tournament having the same point purse.

"CinderellaBoy" <jbahel@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1177514257.298361.98650@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> The other point I was trying to make was the relative unfairness of
> the fact that the top players can play only those events with the
> biggest rewards and still win all the honors. To extend the baseball
> analogy, it would be like the Yankees playing only half the games that
> the Devil Rays do because they can afford to sit out, then still
> qualifying for the world series despite the fact that they didn't opt
> to play most of the season. Seems like the playing field ought to be
> level for everyone.
>
> But then again, at the end of the day the PGA isn't about being fair,
> its about making money. And for that the current system functions
> perfectly.
>




 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 17:28:15
From: Bill H.
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On Apr 23, 6:45 am, CinderellaBoy <jba...@aol.com > wrote:

> Meanwhile every J.J. McDickley at 95 on the money list
> has to grind it out traveling every event of the tour to make some
> money.

Boo Hoo. He has to play golf and get PAID for it? The injustice!






 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 05:37:55
From: me
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On Apr 22, 6:55 pm, "Pickmaster" <hots...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.a...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net..
>
> > The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> > the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> > How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.- Hide quoted text -
>
> A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
> struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
> rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
> everyone of the smaller venue tour events?


The TOUR kicks around this problem continuously. Since the TOUR is
run by the players, they tend to try to create incentives instead of
mandates.
It has occurred to me however that, much like some "union" type jobs
like
pilots and FA's, they could have "bids" on "schedules". At the
beginning
of the year, you select a schedule based upon your standing.
Basically they
take all the events that need more support, and each one only has
"room"
for a certain number of the top 50 (or 30 or something). You commit
to
playing in those events. Once you complete your commitment, you can
"add" as many additional events as you wish. You can also "swap"
particular tournaments with other equally (or higher) qualified
players.
They could even "add" players as the year progressed who could take
over a slot from a particular player. (some no-name wins a major,
now qualifies to take a slot for a top 50 player).

Of the top of my head I'd guess that there are 20 events during
the
year that need some support. So you take those 20 and decide
you want to ensure 10 players from the top 50 play. So you create
10 "slots" that the top 50 players must "fill" at the beginning of the
year.
That means each player must play 4 of those slots. Tiger gets
to fill whatever 4 slots he wants. Mr. 50 picks whatever 4 are left.
Once the year starts, Mr. 50 can try to swap with Davis Love if
Davis is feeling tired or something. But each tournament is
guaranteed 10 top 50 players. Some will get more because
Mr. 50 might wanna play more than 4 of them. Fred Funk is
probably the guy alot of folks "swap" with. (Fred plays 6 of
them some guy only has to play 2). But those events will
get 10 of the top 50. You can even break it up into slots for
the first 10, second 10, etc. to ensure a spread of players
from the top to the bottom.

There are only about a bajillion ways to work the system, but
it is the basic form that alot of professional "shift" work is
covered.
Everything from emergency rooms to fire stations.



 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 16:13:25
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

"The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.

One possible solution is to give appearance points for the FedEx cup to
everyone that's at a tournament ... ??




  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 12:24:55
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
The big guys don't need either Fed Ex points or the money so appearance
points aren't going to draw them. The primary driver for Fed Ex points is
getting the big names to play after the PGA Championship in August.

"Bob" <Junk@bin.net > wrote in message
news:FW4Xh.454$RX.95@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
>> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
>> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.
>
> One possible solution is to give appearance points for the FedEx cup to
> everyone that's at a tournament ... ??
>




   
Date: 23 Apr 2007 17:05:24
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
news:m5idnTCxirlKQLHbnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The big guys don't need either Fed Ex points or the money so appearance
> points aren't going to draw them. The primary driver for Fed Ex points is
> getting the big names to play after the PGA Championship in August.
>

Well, they'd need the appearance points if they were substantial enough to
eliminate tournament no-shows from the FedEx cup ... and if they really
wanted to be in the FedEx cup.




 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 08:56:20
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On Apr 23, 10:52 am, "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com >
wrote:
> If the A players don't show up the B listers have a better chance at
> winning.

Exactly. It's a great opportunity for the second-tier players to make
some bucks.

Odd that neither Rich Beem nor Brad Faxon played. You'd think that
since Tiger wasn't there, they'd jump all over that one.



 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 08:40:36
From: CinderellaBoy
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On Apr 23, 10:52 am, "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com >
wrote:
> "CinderellaBoy" <jba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177335925.920672.171980@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I propose you be penalized FedEx cup points for not showing up to "B
> > list" events. Players in the top 5 can afford to rest up, play only
> > the majors and a handful of other events, fly in on their private
> > jets, stay at the best resorts, and win the tournaments racking up
> > FedEx points. Meanwhile every J.J. McDickley at 95 on the money list
> > has to grind it out traveling every event of the tour to make some
> > money. I think the PGA should strike a deal: in exchange for the 10M
> > payoff at the end of the year you actually have to PLAY the tour.....
>
> > ...but then again the tour needs Tiger more than he needs them.
>
> If the A players don't show up the B listers have a better chance at
> winning.
>
> And who wants to go to New Orleans?

I don't think the point is "who wants to go to New Orleans?", I think
the question should be "by agreeing to host a tour stop and investing
the kind of money that demands who should New Orleans reasonable
EXPECT should show up?" I think the PGA fans in NO deserve as good a
shot at seeing someone in the top 10 as do the fans at Doral or Pebble
Beach......

It like the Yankees sending their AA team to Cleveland simply because
the top players don't want to go to Cleveland. Baseball guarantees
every fan will get a good baseball experience. The PGA should do the
same.




  
Date: 24 Apr 2007 00:27:45
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On 23 Apr 2007 08:40:36 -0700, CinderellaBoy <jbahel@aol.com > wrote:

>It like the Yankees sending their AA team to Cleveland simply because
>the top players don't want to go to Cleveland. Baseball guarantees
>every fan will get a good baseball experience. The PGA should do the
>same.

Baseball is a team sport - the contracts are between the league and
the (team) entity. And there is no guarantee that when the other
team arrives at your town, the star you follow (and bought the tickets
for in anticipation) will be there. A week ago, the Nuggets and
Spurs played - and all of the stars rested (they played again Sunday
in the playoffs).

A team has a contract to play every single game on its schedule. It
did not make the schedule, and it cannot decide to change a game
without authorization. If the players on a team are injured, the
team plays anyway.

In the PGA Tour, it would have to be individuals contracting to play
by the schedule created for them. How does it decide who plays in
each minor event? How does it handle injury and family issues? Right
now, some players travel overseas early, others late - some prepare
for majors by practicing at the facility, others by playing a real
tournament.

And lots of the voting members of the tour do *not* want to be bumped
out of every tournament by others who rank higher.


  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 12:09:48
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
There isn't any local money sponsoring a PGA Tour event. Zurich is a global
business so New Orleans not getting a return on their monetary investment is
a non argument. Before a gazillion Deere posts, Deere is another global
business. The last local money event was the BC Open which has moved out of
Endicott and become the Turning Stone Resort Championship.

"CinderellaBoy" <jbahel@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1177342836.510280.282840@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> I don't think the point is "who wants to go to New Orleans?", I think
> the question should be "by agreeing to host a tour stop and investing
> the kind of money that demands who should New Orleans reasonable
> EXPECT should show up?" I think the PGA fans in NO deserve as good a
> shot at seeing someone in the top 10 as do the fans at Doral or Pebble
> Beach......
>




 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 06:45:25
From: CinderellaBoy
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
I propose you be penalized FedEx cup points for not showing up to "B
list" events. Players in the top 5 can afford to rest up, play only
the majors and a handful of other events, fly in on their private
jets, stay at the best resorts, and win the tournaments racking up
FedEx points. Meanwhile every J.J. McDickley at 95 on the money list
has to grind it out traveling every event of the tour to make some
money. I think the PGA should strike a deal: in exchange for the 10M
payoff at the end of the year you actually have to PLAY the tour.....

...but then again the tour needs Tiger more than he needs them.


On Apr 22, 6:55 pm, "Pickmaster" <hots...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
> struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
> rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
> everyone of the smaller venue tour events?
>
> "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.a...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
>
>
> > The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> > the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> > How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 09:52:57
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

"CinderellaBoy" <jbahel@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1177335925.920672.171980@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> I propose you be penalized FedEx cup points for not showing up to "B
> list" events. Players in the top 5 can afford to rest up, play only
> the majors and a handful of other events, fly in on their private
> jets, stay at the best resorts, and win the tournaments racking up
> FedEx points. Meanwhile every J.J. McDickley at 95 on the money list
> has to grind it out traveling every event of the tour to make some
> money. I think the PGA should strike a deal: in exchange for the 10M
> payoff at the end of the year you actually have to PLAY the tour.....
>
> ...but then again the tour needs Tiger more than he needs them.

If the A players don't show up the B listers have a better chance at
winning.

And who wants to go to New Orleans?




 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 16:39:13
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On Apr 22, 6:55 pm, "Pickmaster" <hots...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
> struggling city--

Perhaps it was the smell of piss or the dead bodies that kept them
away? But hey, at least the Saints are playin!






  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 06:35:45
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
On 22 Apr 2007 16:39:13 -0700, annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

>On Apr 22, 6:55 pm, "Pickmaster" <hots...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
>> struggling city--
>
>Perhaps it was the smell of piss or the dead bodies that kept them
>away?
>

The course isn't that close to Bourbon St. is it?


Tom



 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 16:09:41
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

"The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.

And only one of which (Stricker) that did much.





 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 16:55:07
From: Pickmaster
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
everyone of the smaller venue tour events?

"The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.




  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:37:19
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies

"Pickmaster" <hotshot@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:EQQWh.10486$vD4.7604@bigfe9...
>A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
>struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
>rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
>everyone of the smaller venue tour events?
>
> "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
>> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
>> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.
>
>
There are going to be more and more of these "nobodies" in the news in the
coming months: there is good golf out there for the purists... I am very
glad to see OTHERS besides PM, TW, and VJ. Very glad.





   
Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:18:44
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Zurich Classic: Contest of the nobodies
In article <RaTWh.10531$vD4.613@bigfe9 >,
"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

> "Pickmaster" <hotshot@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:EQQWh.10486$vD4.7604@bigfe9...
> >A real disgrace that few of the name players chose to help out this
> >struggling city--how bout the PGA come up with some type of participation
> >rotation that requires at least a handful of these primadonas show up at
> >everyone of the smaller venue tour events?
> >
> > "The World Wide Wade" <aderamey.addw@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:aderamey.addw-9EE765.14312422042007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> >> The Zurich Classic features exactly four of the the top fifty players in
> >> the world golf rankings: Toms 19, DiMarco 35, Durant 43, Stricker 46.
> >> How the once mighty PGA Tour has fallen.
> >
> >
> There are going to be more and more of these "nobodies" in the news in the
> coming months: there is good golf out there for the purists... I am very
> glad to see OTHERS besides PM, TW, and VJ. Very glad.

You can be glad about seeing the others, but a tournament featuring only
4 of the top 50 players in the world is a non-event in world golf.