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Date: 07 Apr 2007 22:47:56
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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I parred a par 4 yesterday hitting the following shots
Driver off the tee
Full PW approach
LW pitch
1-Putt
The only misleading thing about this is that the order of the shots was
Driver
PW
Putt
LW Pitch
Putted off the green (and down the hill) and then holed out a perfect little
LW for par.
dave
ps. In my own defense the pin was cut less than 3 paces from the front/right
edge of the green and basically on the false front slope. 2 players out of
our 3-some putted off the green.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:31:04
From: The Tman
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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Technically that's a 2-putt (as they count putts for stats, at least).
-T
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:47:56 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>Putted off the green (and down the hill) and then holed out a perfect little
>LW for par.
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:43:04
From: JMJizzle
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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On Apr 7, 5:47 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> I parred a par 4 yesterday hitting the following shots
>
> Driver off the tee
> Full PW approach
> LW pitch
> 1-Putt
>
> The only misleading thing about this is that the order of the shots was
>
> Driver
> PW
> Putt
> LW Pitch
>
> Putted off the green (and down the hill) and then holed out a perfect little
> LW for par.
>
> dave
>
> ps. In my own defense the pin was cut less than 3 paces from the front/right
> edge of the green and basically on the false front slope. 2 players out of
> our 3-some putted off the green.
Pretty sure that still counts as a 2 putt if your first putt was from
the green.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:11:14
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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"JMJizzle" <metcalfz@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1175992984.843213.111550@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 7, 5:47 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > I parred a par 4 yesterday hitting the following shots
> >
> > Driver off the tee
> > Full PW approach
> > LW pitch
> > 1-Putt
> >
> > The only misleading thing about this is that the order of the shots was
> >
> > Driver
> > PW
> > Putt
> > LW Pitch
> >
> > Putted off the green (and down the hill) and then holed out a perfect
little
> > LW for par.
> >
> > dave
> >
> > ps. In my own defense the pin was cut less than 3 paces from the
front/right
> > edge of the green and basically on the false front slope. 2 players out
of
> > our 3-some putted off the green.
>
> Pretty sure that still counts as a 2 putt if your first putt was from
> the green.
>
That is an interesting question. How do the PGA Tour stats folks handle this
situation? I'm guessing that a putt is only a stroke made from the putting
surface (and that would include Phil's flop shot from the green on Friday).
But I can imagine that it might be all strokes taken after the first stroke
from the putting surface.
dave
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:06:00
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > writes:
> "JMJizzle" <metcalfz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1175992984.843213.111550@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 7, 5:47 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > > I parred a par 4 yesterday hitting the following shots
> > >
> > > Driver off the tee
> > > Full PW approach
> > > LW pitch
> > > 1-Putt
> > >
> > > The only misleading thing about this is that the order of the shots was
> > >
> > > Driver
> > > PW
> > > Putt
> > > LW Pitch
> > >
> > > Putted off the green (and down the hill) and then holed out a perfect
> little
> > > LW for par.
> > >
> > > dave
> > >
> > > ps. In my own defense the pin was cut less than 3 paces from the
> front/right
> > > edge of the green and basically on the false front slope. 2 players out
> of
> > > our 3-some putted off the green.
> >
> > Pretty sure that still counts as a 2 putt if your first putt was from
> > the green.
> >
>
> That is an interesting question. How do the PGA Tour stats folks handle this
> situation? I'm guessing that a putt is only a stroke made from the putting
> surface (and that would include Phil's flop shot from the green on Friday).
> But I can imagine that it might be all strokes taken after the first stroke
> from the putting surface.
The USGA method:
http://www.usga.org/questions/faqs/rules.asp (see Misc. at bottom)
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:31:20
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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On 07 Apr 2007 17:06:00 -0400, Aress Gee
<invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
>"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> writes:
>> That is an interesting question. How do the PGA Tour stats folks handle this
>> situation? I'm guessing that a putt is only a stroke made from the putting
>> surface (and that would include Phil's flop shot from the green on Friday).
>> But I can imagine that it might be all strokes taken after the first stroke
>> from the putting surface.
>
>The USGA method:
>http://www.usga.org/questions/faqs/rules.asp (see Misc. at bottom)
Then I take it that if one putts the ball off the green, then chips
back on and one putts...that is counted as three. Interesting.
___,
\o
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 21:33:24
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:nrkg13lt8nod53al1o9gl8fu84oj8ap43j@4ax.com...
> On 07 Apr 2007 17:06:00 -0400, Aress Gee
> <invalid@not_real_address.com> wrote:
>
>>"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> writes:
>
>>> That is an interesting question. How do the PGA Tour stats folks handle
>>> this
>>> situation? I'm guessing that a putt is only a stroke made from the
>>> putting
>>> surface (and that would include Phil's flop shot from the green on
>>> Friday).
>>> But I can imagine that it might be all strokes taken after the first
>>> stroke
>>> from the putting surface.
>>
>>The USGA method:
>>http://www.usga.org/questions/faqs/rules.asp (see Misc. at bottom)
>
> Then I take it that if one putts the ball off the green, then chips
> back on and one putts...that is counted as three. Interesting.
Even more interesting if one's first putt trundled off the green and into a
hazard.
I've seen it happen more than once, both on TOUR and in "civilian golf."
I've even seen it in a US Open.
Randy
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 01:50:35
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:AoOdnanu_swmCoTbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:nrkg13lt8nod53al1o9gl8fu84oj8ap43j@4ax.com...
> > On 07 Apr 2007 17:06:00 -0400, Aress Gee
> > <invalid@not_real_address.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> writes:
> >
> >>> That is an interesting question. How do the PGA Tour stats folks
handle
> >>> this
> >>> situation? I'm guessing that a putt is only a stroke made from the
> >>> putting
> >>> surface (and that would include Phil's flop shot from the green on
> >>> Friday).
> >>> But I can imagine that it might be all strokes taken after the first
> >>> stroke
> >>> from the putting surface.
> >>
> >>The USGA method:
> >>http://www.usga.org/questions/faqs/rules.asp (see Misc. at bottom)
> >
> > Then I take it that if one putts the ball off the green, then chips
> > back on and one putts...that is counted as three. Interesting.
>
>
> Even more interesting if one's first putt trundled off the green and into
a
> hazard.
>
> I've seen it happen more than once, both on TOUR and in "civilian golf."
> I've even seen it in a US Open.
>
> Randy
>
>
And let's say that the right choice is to declare an unplayable lie and
replay the shot with a penalty stroke. So the penalty stroke is then a putt.
Cool.
dave
ps. I once played a ball out of a greenside bunker and then proceeded to
putt the ball back into that same bunker into the exact area that I had just
raked. Fortunately I had done a decent job.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:08:36
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia - There Really is a Bad One-Putt
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On 7 Apr 2007 17:43:04 -0700, "JMJizzle" <metcalfz@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> ps. In my own defense the pin was cut less than 3 paces from the front/right
>> edge of the green and basically on the false front slope. 2 players out of
>> our 3-some putted off the green.
>
>Pretty sure that still counts as a 2 putt if your first putt was from
>the green.
That's how the Tour counts putts. But that's not a ROG thing - I
count them the most useful way to evaluate my game. And this case,
he counted in the way that tells the best story.
And it was a great story!
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