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Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:53:30
From: Catalano
Subject: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
Bodo
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:27:30
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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No, not half time at best. He's played 16 events and the average number
of tournaments of the people ahead of him are 22/23. Like I said
(because I looked it up), he's about 30th in money/tournament entered.
sfb wrote:
> Half time at best. Sergio has played 16 PGA Tour events in 2006 - one more
> than necessary to keep his card. He is 41st on the US money list.
>
> "Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1159138212.950031.58440@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Catalano wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2, so
> >> > should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I thought more in general. If you look at the European Players and theire
> >> positition this list.
> >> I think if the list regularities would work proper the European players
> >> must
> >> be appear in a bit higher position - or not?
> >> Maybe the European Tournaments should get a higher value in that system?
> >>
> >> No doubt about the position of Tiger in the world ranking.
> >
> > Sergio virtually plays full time on the American tour and averages
> > about 30th in money per tournament. I think the rankings are fine. The
> > problem is (A) Sergio and the other Europeans play better in the RC for
> > a variety of reasons and (B) Americans play worse in the RC for a
> > variety of reasons. If we get about two dozen more team events on
> > tour, then we can change the rankings!
> >
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 02:49:29
From: rich
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159144049.808881.216840@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> No, not half time at best. He's played 16 events and the average number
> of tournaments of the people ahead of him are 22/23. Like I said
> (because I looked it up), he's about 30th in money/tournament entered.
??
Lots of guys have played about the same number of events as him. He's made
1.5 million on the PGATour and about 1.8 million worldwide. More than half
his appearances have been in PGATour events.
Even your numbers are screwy. You say the others have played 22-23 tourneys
and that at 16 he is not even half time. 16 is more than half of 22-23.
Rich
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 21:17:15
From: sfb
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Where did you look it up as the PGA Tour at
http://www.pgatour.com/stats/leaders/r/2006/109 has Sergio 41st on the 2006
money list?
It matters not how many tournaments others have played. The PGA Tour has
already played more than 30 events this year.
"Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159144049.808881.216840@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> No, not half time at best. He's played 16 events and the average number
> of tournaments of the people ahead of him are 22/23. Like I said
> (because I looked it up), he's about 30th in money/tournament entered.
>
> sfb wrote:
>> Half time at best. Sergio has played 16 PGA Tour events in 2006 - one
>> more
>> than necessary to keep his card. He is 41st on the US money list.
>>
>> "Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1159138212.950031.58440@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Catalano wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2,
>> >> > so
>> >> > should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I thought more in general. If you look at the European Players and
>> >> theire
>> >> positition this list.
>> >> I think if the list regularities would work proper the European
>> >> players
>> >> must
>> >> be appear in a bit higher position - or not?
>> >> Maybe the European Tournaments should get a higher value in that
>> >> system?
>> >>
>> >> No doubt about the position of Tiger in the world ranking.
>> >
>> > Sergio virtually plays full time on the American tour and averages
>> > about 30th in money per tournament. I think the rankings are fine. The
>> > problem is (A) Sergio and the other Europeans play better in the RC for
>> > a variety of reasons and (B) Americans play worse in the RC for a
>> > variety of reasons. If we get about two dozen more team events on
>> > tour, then we can change the rankings!
>> >
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:07:23
From: jf-golf
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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better to change how the ryder team is selected. give more captain's
picks, or more non-auto ranking picks, then the whole 'best in the
world rankings' disappears and it becomes a team. look at what happened
to the 'dream team' after the first one, it took a college coach to
select a team rather than just the biggest $ earners.
might end up without Phil for a start.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:15:29
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"jf-golf" <jfainlight@gmail.com > writes:
> better to change how the ryder team is selected. give more captain's
> picks, or more non-auto ranking picks, then the whole 'best in the
> world rankings' disappears and it becomes a team. look at what happened
> to the 'dream team' after the first one, it took a college coach to
> select a team rather than just the biggest $ earners.
> might end up without Phil for a start.
I don't think you are going to be able to find too many Captains
with the guts to leave off Mickelson even though he is still
suffering from Winged-Foot-in-the-mouth disease.
--
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Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 15:50:13
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Catalano wrote:
> >
> > Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2, so
> > should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
> >
>
> I thought more in general. If you look at the European Players and theire
> positition this list.
> I think if the list regularities would work proper the European players must
> be appear in a bit higher position - or not?
> Maybe the European Tournaments should get a higher value in that system?
>
> No doubt about the position of Tiger in the world ranking.
Sergio virtually plays full time on the American tour and averages
about 30th in money per tournament. I think the rankings are fine. The
problem is (A) Sergio and the other Europeans play better in the RC for
a variety of reasons and (B) Americans play worse in the RC for a
variety of reasons. If we get about two dozen more team events on
tour, then we can change the rankings!
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 00:12:39
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:52:37 +0000, Chris Bellomy wrote:
> This is why I have sfb plonked. You make a simple point and he
> turns it into "throwing stones." Rather than constantly correct
> him, I decided to ignore him.
Yep.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 15:46:25
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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a2mgoog@yahoo.com wrote:
> Catalano wrote:
> > Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> > Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Yes. The World Rankings should be issued once every two years, in
> strict accordance with the results of the Ryder Cup matches. Scott
> Verplank, the only US player who was unbeaten and untied this week,
> will be the highest rated American until 2008. Number two is JJ Henry,
> who was unbeaten but tied. They are followed by Vaughn Taylor, Chad
> Campbell, and Stewart Cink. Woods is somewhere in the middle, and at
> the bottom are Mickelson, Furyk, and Dico. All players who did not
> participate are tied for 13th.
Yes! I'm tied for 13th!
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 23:16:57
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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In article <4nnv2hFban5dU1@individual.net >, bodo.hesse@telefonica.net
says...
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
The Euro rankings are doing just fine.
--
Howard
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:21:27
From:
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Catalano wrote:
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
Yes. The World Rankings should be issued once every two years, in
strict accordance with the results of the Ryder Cup matches. Scott
Verplank, the only US player who was unbeaten and untied this week,
will be the highest rated American until 2008. Number two is JJ Henry,
who was unbeaten but tied. They are followed by Vaughn Taylor, Chad
Campbell, and Stewart Cink. Woods is somewhere in the middle, and at
the bottom are Mickelson, Furyk, and Dico. All players who did not
participate are tied for 13th.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:23:28
From: GC
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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i second that...
LOL
GC
a2mgoog@yahoo.com wrote:
> Catalano wrote:
>> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
>> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Yes. The World Rankings should be issued once every two years, in
> strict accordance with the results of the Ryder Cup matches. Scott
> Verplank, the only US player who was unbeaten and untied this week,
> will be the highest rated American until 2008. Number two is JJ Henry,
> who was unbeaten but tied. They are followed by Vaughn Taylor, Chad
> Campbell, and Stewart Cink. Woods is somewhere in the middle, and at
> the bottom are Mickelson, Furyk, and Dico. All players who did not
> participate are tied for 13th.
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:18:16
From: wdyw
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Dave Lee wrote:
> "Catalano" <bodo.hesse@telefonica.net> wrote in message
> news:4nnv2hFban5dU1@individual.net...
> > Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> > Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
> >
huh??? The average world ranking for the Euro team was three less than
for the USA team, the rankings got the result right. 1-2-3 in the world
rankings, then the next best ranking a 15th doesn't cut it in a 12 man
team event.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:16:15
From: sfb
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Why? The Ryder Cup team selection uses their own point systems that are
independent of any other ranking system including both World Money List and
the World Golf Ranking.
"Catalano" <bodo.hesse@telefonica.net > wrote in message
news:4nnv2hFban5dU1@individual.net...
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Bodo
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:56:46
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"Catalano" <bodo.hesse@telefonica.net > wrote in message
news:4nnv2hFban5dU1@individual.net...
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Bodo
>
>
The logical way to look at this issue would be how the US vs. Europeans fare
(vs. their rankings) in PGA and European Tour events that have significant
participation from both segments. Particularly on the US Tour it seems to me
that there are enough European entries to do this reasonably.
Quite frankly I'd be surprised if this isn't done already in some form.
dave
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 16:27:18
From: spring
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"Catalano" <bodo.hesse@telefonica.net > wrote in message
news:4nnv2hFban5dU1@individual.net...
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Bodo
>
Its quite ok the way it is. Remember the Ryder cup was originally between GB
and the US. When it became obvious that GB could not handle the US alone it
was expanded to include Europe.
Thank you
Bill
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 11:36:11
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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Catalano wrote:
> Three times now the Europeans won the cup.
> Should we new think about the way the Golf World Ranking list is build?
>
> Bodo
Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2, so
should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:18:42
From: Catalano
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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>
> Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2, so
> should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
>
I thought more in general. If you look at the European Players and theire
positition this list.
I think if the list regularities would work proper the European players must
be appear in a bit higher position - or not?
Maybe the European Tournaments should get a higher value in that system?
No doubt about the position of Tiger in the world ranking.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:33:43
From: rich
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"Catalano" <bodo.hesse@telefonica.net > wrote in message
news:4no7j4Fb9c8fU1@individual.net...
> I thought more in general. If you look at the European Players and theire
> positition this list.
> I think if the list regularities would work proper the European players
> must be appear in a bit higher position - or not?
> Maybe the European Tournaments should get a higher value in that system?
Why? The reality is that the vastly majority of professional golf is played
in 72 hole stroke play events. There are 8 events a year, the majors and
the WGC events, where virtually all of the best players play. In those 8
events we have had very few European golfers winning (and lest you raise the
argument that most of these are played in the US, when was the past time a
Euro won the British?). So you want to ignore all of that and change the
weightings based on a match that is played in a completely different format,
in which more than 50% of the points are pairs? Where is the sense in that?
If the European tour is truly stronger than they are getting credit for in
the WGRs then they will win majors and WGC events.
Rich
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:16:38
From: rich
Subject: Re: World Ranking and results of Ryder Cup
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"Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159122971.371337.202220@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Why would we? This is just one tournament. Tiger finished 3 and 2, so
> should we put Sergio (4-1) ahead of him because of this?
It is also played in a format completely different than that played in the
vast majority of pro tournaments, on which the WGR are based.
Rich
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