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Date: 17 Apr 2007 10:38:38
From: David
Subject: Woods--Old and New
This past weekend, CNBC showed highlights of the British Open in
2000. Now, I understand that Woods feels his swing changes over the
years have been for the better; however, watching him swing the club
in 2000 showed nothing short of perfection.

His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.

At any rate, for whatever reason, Woods decided that his swing
needed a change. In this case, though, it was definitely not a change
for the better. Anyone who can locate footage of his 2000 year should
take a look back in time.

David




 
Date: 18 Apr 2007 16:59:01
From: Ezran
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
How much has being under the trees affected the number of bogeys he
makes? This would be a telling stat.



 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 21:50:41
From: George Orwell
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <hi19239fse4slmn7g7evqlrcp83nmvqdbv@4ax.com >
David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:
>
> This past weekend, CNBC showed highlights of the British Open in
> 2000. Now, I understand that Woods feels his swing changes over the
> years have been for the better; however, watching him swing the club
> in 2000 showed nothing short of perfection.
>
> His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
> distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
> a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
> great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
> copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.
>
> At any rate, for whatever reason, Woods decided that his swing
> needed a change. In this case, though, it was definitely not a change
> for the better. Anyone who can locate footage of his 2000 year should
> take a look back in time.

A lot of good players have perfection in their grasp and think they can reach it, but never do. David Duval was number one with a string of straight wins and a 59, thought he could be in better shape, never to be heard from again. Payne Stewert won an Open and wanted to perfect his swing and didn't come back for years. Curtis Strange another just to mention a few. What WILL effect Tiger's swing is that injury that is waiting for him down the line. He'll have to throttle back on his speed after that and he will never be the same again. Then of course, when the kid comes, priorities change and the fire is not has hot. Talk to Earnie. Tiger's heyday is probably behind him. Not saying he won't win a few more majors but the Masters is probalby a sign of the coming times.














 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 11:14:59
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <hi19239fse4slmn7g7evqlrcp83nmvqdbv@4ax.com >,
David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

> Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
> copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.

Except Scott does not have the fluidity and rhythm in his swing that
Woods showed in 2000.


 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 11:11:22
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <hi19239fse4slmn7g7evqlrcp83nmvqdbv@4ax.com >,
David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

> This past weekend, CNBC showed highlights of the British Open in
> 2000. Now, I understand that Woods feels his swing changes over the
> years have been for the better; however, watching him swing the club
> in 2000 showed nothing short of perfection.
>
> His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
> distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
> a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
> great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
> copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.
>
> At any rate, for whatever reason, Woods decided that his swing
> needed a change. In this case, though, it was definitely not a change
> for the better. Anyone who can locate footage of his 2000 year should
> take a look back in time.
>
> David

Tiger has had 3 swings

Swing 1: Amateur career thru the Masters 1997

Swing 2: Because Swing 1 "sucked", he and Harmon fashioned Swing 2,
which may be the greatest swing the game has ever seen.

Swing 3: Taken on only because of the knee problem. There is a good
article by Jaime Diaz that explains this:

http://www.golfdigest.com/features/index.ssf?/features/gd200501tigerdiaz1
.html

Tiger likes to go on and on about about how he constantly strives to
improve, but the cat is out of the bag with that article IMHO.

Of the 3 swings, 2 is by far the best, 3, the current one, with the
weird high finish featuring the right arm zooming up into his face at
finish and causing all of those fouls into the right field bleechers, is
the worst, and 2 is in the middle. All IMHO of course.


 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 10:32:01
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New

"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:hi19239fse4slmn7g7evqlrcp83nmvqdbv@4ax.com...
> At any rate, for whatever reason, Woods decided that his swing
> needed a change. In this case, though, it was definitely not a change
> for the better. Anyone who can locate footage of his 2000 year should
> take a look back in time.


I think his swing change will add to his longevitiy.

He has removed much of the reverse C on his finish and that alone should
eliminate some wear and tear on his back.

The change will be worth it when he is winning majors in his 50s.

Otto




 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New

I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!


Tom


  
Date: 17 Apr 2007 14:32:47
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com >
wrote:

>
>I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!
>

Hehe... me too.

I've got a garage full of the old wood woods, I love the way they look
and sound. Not a chance one will see my bag though.


   
Date: 18 Apr 2007 12:23:27
From: David
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:32:47 GMT, Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!
>>
>
>Hehe... me too.
>
>I've got a garage full of the old wood woods, I love the way they look
>and sound. Not a chance one will see my bag though.

I have persimmon woods and I do play them, from time to time. The
thing is, when I feel that my swing is getting a bit loose, hitting a
few hundred balls with persimmon woods helps to regroove the swing.
The heads are so small, only perfect contact will result in a
well-struck ball.

I do still play with the persimmin 5 wood, too.

David



   
Date: 17 Apr 2007 10:08:45
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <lim92319ib4pqbk3cni28u6cagsia22asd@4ax.com >,
Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca > wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!
> >
>
> Hehe... me too.
>
> I've got a garage full of the old wood woods, I love the way they look
> and sound. Not a chance one will see my bag though.

While I'm the only one at my club playing all persimmon, there are quite
a few playing #5 Fairway persimmons. A few less are playing the 3 also.


    
Date: 17 Apr 2007 16:40:00
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:08:45 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

>In article <lim92319ib4pqbk3cni28u6cagsia22asd@4ax.com>,
> Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!
>> >
>>
>> Hehe... me too.
>>
>> I've got a garage full of the old wood woods, I love the way they look
>> and sound. Not a chance one will see my bag though.
>
>While I'm the only one at my club playing all persimmon, there are quite
>a few playing #5 Fairway persimmons. A few less are playing the 3 also.


Geezer.

:-)




     
Date: 17 Apr 2007 20:13:13
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <0mma23tavha507b0nnilbu8bpo16pgqa9f@4ax.com >,
Tom Yost <tom@nospamme.com > wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:08:45 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <lim92319ib4pqbk3cni28u6cagsia22asd@4ax.com>,
> > Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I thought this would be a thread contrasting persimmon vs. titanium!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hehe... me too.
> >>
> >> I've got a garage full of the old wood woods, I love the way they look
> >> and sound. Not a chance one will see my bag though.
> >
> >While I'm the only one at my club playing all persimmon, there are quite
> >a few playing #5 Fairway persimmons. A few less are playing the 3 also.
>
>
> Geezer.
>
> :-)

That's MR. GEEZER SIR to you! ;-)


 
Date: 17 Apr 2007 05:34:17
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
On Apr 17, 4:38 am, David <dgold1...@yahoo.de > wrote:
>
> His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
> distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
> a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
> great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
> copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.

Tiger has played 5 events so far this year.
He's won 2 of them, finished second once, and finished T9 & T22 in the
others (The T22 was due to a Chopra-esque 76 on Sunday after leading
the tourney with a 64 on Thursday).
He's won over $3,000,000 in those 5 events.

Adam Scott is having a great year as well, with a win and a 2nd in 6
events. He's made over $1,700,000. so far.

If Scott's swing is so much better than Tiger's you might expect the
results to be switched.








  
Date: 17 Apr 2007 11:12:41
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <1176813257.190835.141860@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

> On Apr 17, 4:38 am, David <dgold1...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> > His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
> > distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
> > a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
> > great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
> > copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.
>
> Tiger has played 5 events so far this year.
> He's won 2 of them, finished second once, and finished T9 & T22 in the
> others (The T22 was due to a Chopra-esque 76 on Sunday after leading
> the tourney with a 64 on Thursday).
> He's won over $3,000,000 in those 5 events.
>
> Adam Scott is having a great year as well, with a win and a 2nd in 6
> events. He's made over $1,700,000. so far.
>
> If Scott's swing is so much better than Tiger's you might expect the
> results to be switched.

It's no secret that a better swing is not enough to make a better golfer.


  
Date: 17 Apr 2007 14:35:17
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
On 17 Apr 2007 05:34:17 -0700, annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

>On Apr 17, 4:38 am, David <dgold1...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>> His latest swing changes have not gotten him any great increase in
>> distant, but he is all over the lot with the driver, and has been for
>> a couple of years now. In 2000, his swing was powerful and he had
>> great control over the ball. Adam Scott's swing today is a carbon
>> copy of Woods swing in 2000 and it is one of the bet swings on tour.
>
>Tiger has played 5 events so far this year.
>He's won 2 of them, finished second once, and finished T9 & T22 in the
>others (The T22 was due to a Chopra-esque 76 on Sunday after leading
>the tourney with a 64 on Thursday).
>He's won over $3,000,000 in those 5 events.
>
>Adam Scott is having a great year as well, with a win and a 2nd in 6
>events. He's made over $1,700,000. so far.
>
>If Scott's swing is so much better than Tiger's you might expect the
>results to be switched.

Short game could have something to do with it.

Having said that I think the changes Tiger made have more to do with
being able to swing with less wear and tear on his body. He had one
surgery and who knows what the docs told him but I'd guess the new
improved Tiger swing is easier on the back and knees.



   
Date: 17 Apr 2007 15:41:18
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New

On 17-Apr-2007, Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca > wrote:

> Short game could have something to do with it.

could? Scott's putting is much less consistant that Tiger's.

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.


    
Date: 17 Apr 2007 21:36:14
From: rich
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New

"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:4624ea8d$0$25241$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 17-Apr-2007, Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca> wrote:
>
>> Short game could have something to do with it.
>
> could? Scott's putting is much less consistant that Tiger's.

But Tiger is still ahead of Scott in GIR. If Scott's swing was better
wouldn't he be ahead of Tiger in GIR?




     
Date: 17 Apr 2007 16:17:16
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Woods--Old and New
In article <i5bVh.9059$h8.439@trnddc06 >, "rich" <dummy@nothere.com>
wrote:

> "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org> wrote in message
> news:4624ea8d$0$25241$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
> >
> > On 17-Apr-2007, Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Short game could have something to do with it.
> >
> > could? Scott's putting is much less consistant that Tiger's.
>
> But Tiger is still ahead of Scott in GIR. If Scott's swing was better
> wouldn't he be ahead of Tiger in GIR?

No.