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Date: 08 Apr 2007 16:35:51
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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I think it's cause the course is so tough. It's more fun watching the
pros make bogies than birdies. People like to see the pros in trouble.
The LPGA and Champions tour would do a lot better if they made their
golfers play on tough courses.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 05:47:07
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 9, 12:36 am, "Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
> "Chris Bellomy" <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
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> news:0T40f3qpI2s0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
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> > Otto <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > > I thought it was a wonderful Sunday at Augusta. Look at all the lead
> changes
> > > on Sunday.
>
> > Agreed on this. I thought Sunday was terrific, mostly. But they had
> > to go with their easiest pins to produce a course that was playable.
>
> Some pins were clearly placed easy to spice up the afternoon but others were
> clearly difficult "sucker pins". The player had to manage that.
16 for instance was right where it always is... not easy by any means,
but several people managed to find a birdie there and several wasted
very good opportunites.
I'm kind of in favor of not always having the same old predicitible
Sunday pins actually. Keep them guessing. :)
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 05:41:50
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 10:13 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> bajacorn...@adelphia.net wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 8:14 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
> >> Woot. The most scintillating Masters since Mike Weir, possibly
> >> even Ian Woosnam. Best case for making the Players a major yet
> >> made, and it won't even need to be the fifth.
>
> >> I'm being a bit too rough on Hootie here, I actually thought
> >> the course setup today was pretty good. I really like the extra
> >> length on #13 and #15 making those holes true risk/reward
> >> situations again. But the first three days were just silly.
>
> > Hootie???
>
> Yes, Hootie. This was his golf course. Payne hasn't had time to
> put his stamp on it yet.
The weather was the biggest factor (1st 3 days). It's obvious that
even Hootie could never control the weather... or the last 10 Masters
would have been more like this one. :)
Hootie wasn't making the decisions on when/how much to water, etc.
this year. You can't blame him if you didn't like it and you can't
give him the credit if you did like it.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 05:32:22
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 12:35 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I think it's cause the course is so tough. It's more fun watching the
> pros make bogies than birdies. People like to see the pros in trouble.
> The LPGA and Champions tour would do a lot better if they made their
> golfers play on tough courses.
I like to see movement in both directions. If it's too easy everybody
is going forward... too tough and everybody goes backward. Just right
and everybody goes back and forth... that's what we got at this years
Masters.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:38:04
From:
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 8:14 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> Woot. The most scintillating Masters since Mike Weir, possibly
> even Ian Woosnam. Best case for making the Players a major yet
> made, and it won't even need to be the fifth.
>
> I'm being a bit too rough on Hootie here, I actually thought
> the course setup today was pretty good. I really like the extra
> length on #13 and #15 making those holes true risk/reward
> situations again. But the first three days were just silly.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Memberhttp://clist.org/
Hootie???
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 02:13:39
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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bajacornman@adelphia.net wrote:
> On Apr 8, 8:14 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>> Woot. The most scintillating Masters since Mike Weir, possibly
>> even Ian Woosnam. Best case for making the Players a major yet
>> made, and it won't even need to be the fifth.
>>
>> I'm being a bit too rough on Hootie here, I actually thought
>> the course setup today was pretty good. I really like the extra
>> length on #13 and #15 making those holes true risk/reward
>> situations again. But the first three days were just silly.
>
> Hootie???
Yes, Hootie. This was his golf course. Payne hasn't had time to
put his stamp on it yet.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:07:17
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T40esdcI1m1N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Yes, Hootie. This was his golf course. Payne hasn't had time to
> put his stamp on it yet.
The biggest stamp on this course for the 2007 Masters was the fact that the
state of GA is 7" below the normal rainfall amount for the 1st 3 months of
2007. That is a significant shortfall.
The red GA clay is like concrete when it dries.
Throw in record low temps(warm by Iowa standards) and a few dry, windy days
and the low wind, hight temp, high humidity guys all start whining. Their
games go down just like their attitudes.
I thought it was a wonderful Sunday at Augusta. Look at all the lead changes
on Sunday.
What a day.
Congrats out to Zach.
He ground it out for 3 days and then rose to the occassion on Sunday.
Sierrea Hotel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Otto
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 04:22:43
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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Otto <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> I thought it was a wonderful Sunday at Augusta. Look at all the lead changes
> on Sunday.
Agreed on this. I thought Sunday was terrific, mostly. But they had
to go with their easiest pins to produce a course that was playable.
Your point about the Georgia rainfall is well taken, though ANGC has
probably the best irrigation system in the world.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:36:22
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T40f3qpI2s0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Otto <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > I thought it was a wonderful Sunday at Augusta. Look at all the lead
changes
> > on Sunday.
>
> Agreed on this. I thought Sunday was terrific, mostly. But they had
> to go with their easiest pins to produce a course that was playable.
Some pins were clearly placed easy to spice up the afternoon but others were
clearly difficult "sucker pins". The player had to manage that.
> Your point about the Georgia rainfall is well taken, though ANGC has
> probably the best irrigation system in the world.
I would guess their irrigation system is as good as any but they control it.
I am sure a conscious decision was made early in the week to let it dry and
play hard. I am sure the same decision was made on Sat night to soak the
greens and make them more receptive. They probably also changed a few of the
planned pin placements.
What a great Masters Sunday!
All the players near the top of the leaderboard should be very proud. It was
a tough test.
Otto
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:09:48
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 7:45 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 7:26 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
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> > I agree. It wasn't very entertaining...but they haven't changed the
> > greens.
>
> Even when Tiger hit that great shot on #13 the cheers were pretty mild
> compared to past years. I think the patrons have forgotten how to
> roar since they get so little practice these days. Part of the
> excitement of Sunday at Augusta was always hearing the roars echo
> through the back-9.
> You don't hear much of that anymore.
That's because they were frozen to their seats all week.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:00:44
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176080988.588985.53570@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> That's because they were frozen to their seats all week.
Wimps!!!!!!
The weather was beautiful!
Otto
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:14:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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Woot. The most scintillating Masters since Mike Weir, possibly
even Ian Woosnam. Best case for making the Players a major yet
made, and it won't even need to be the fifth.
I'm being a bit too rough on Hootie here, I actually thought
the course setup today was pretty good. I really like the extra
length on #13 and #15 making those holes true risk/reward
situations again. But the first three days were just silly.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 16:45:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 7:26 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> I agree. It wasn't very entertaining...but they haven't changed the
> greens.
Even when Tiger hit that great shot on #13 the cheers were pretty mild
compared to past years. I think the patrons have forgotten how to
roar since they get so little practice these days. Part of the
excitement of Sunday at Augusta was always hearing the roars echo
through the back-9.
You don't hear much of that anymore.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 11:04:39
From: No cameras and shut up
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Apr 8, 10:35 am, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I think it's cause the course is so tough. It's more fun watching the
> pros make bogies than birdies. People like to see the pros in trouble.
> The LPGA and Champions tour would do a lot better if they made their
> golfers play on tough courses.
Sometimes I take my lunch ...other times I walk to the
office ....and
Mostly .. I blow ..
and I'm not very keen ...
but I Know what I Know ...
IF ....you know what I mean ... and finally when George Carlin
was asked if he
had a Motto ...he said ...
" Of course ....My motto is Everyone should have a Motto ..."
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 12:58:58
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:HR8Sh.898$3P3.498@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I think it's cause the course is so tough. It's more fun watching the
> pros make bogies than birdies. People like to see the pros in trouble.
> The LPGA and Champions tour would do a lot better if they made their
> golfers play on tough courses.
I agree.
It is also interesting to see which ones fold like a cheap lawn chair in the
face of a grinding course.
Otto
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:22:45
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The course is
a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need windmills and clowns mouths
on those greens.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:18:08
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote ...
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> IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The
> course is
> a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need windmills and clowns
> mouths
> on those greens.
This was the first year the course played dry all four days since the
lengthening occurred in '02 and '04. It'll be interesting to see if the
Committee chooses to roll back some of the changes (as Chris Bellomy
suggested).
I wouldn't be opposed to it.
That said, they did find some hole locations that were a little less severe,
which gave players chances at birdies. Just not very many.
I like The Masters when players can shoot a 66 or a 65 on Sunday and make a
charge. That, in my mind, is what made The Masters unique among all the
majors. It ain't gonna happen with this setup when the course is playing
dry and fast. It might happen when it plays slow and wet, as it has done in
recent years.
Randy
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:39:47
From: RyderCup&PrezCupSux
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote in news:461976C7.FF44E7FF@att.net:
>
> IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The
> course is a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need
> windmills and clowns mouths on those greens.
>
The first three rounds were that way but the fourth round was setup
correctly. The fourth roumd was both exciting and entertaining.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:47:39
From: rich
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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Good thing the committee canceled the wind and ordered the heat turned up.
"RyderCup&PrezCupSux" <RyderCup&PrezCupSux@Sux.com > wrote in message
news:Xns990CC80B639Bboolaboola@199.45.49.11...
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote in news:461976C7.FF44E7FF@att.net:
>
>>
>> IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The
>> course is a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need
>> windmills and clowns mouths on those greens.
>>
>
> The first three rounds were that way but the fourth round was setup
> correctly. The fourth roumd was both exciting and entertaining.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:26:07
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:22:45 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
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>IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The course is
>a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need windmills and clowns mouths
>on those greens.
I agree. It wasn't very entertaining...but they haven't changed the
greens.
___,
\o
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 03:16:06
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:22:45 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The course is
> >a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need windmills and clowns mouths
> >on those greens.
>
> I agree. It wasn't very entertaining...but they haven't changed the
> greens.
What's with the comment on changes in the greens? The greens there have always been
tricked up. Not that they haven't made changes though, especially in the grass grown
on them. Excessively undulating greens made for traditional old style bermuda are
going to play ridiculous if you put on a dwarf bermuda and cut them really close and
then don't water the greens to make them ultra firm.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:08:32
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:4619AD78.ACBC2788@att.net...
> then don't water the greens to make them ultra firm.
They soaked the greens Sat night/Sunday morning and they were much more
receptive.
What a great shootout!!!!
Otto
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:02:01
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed
Subject: Re: Why has this been such a great masters so far??
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In article <saui13d0mrfljkbgqu6h2re72b6cdisis1@4ax.com >
Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
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> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:22:45 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >IMHO, this was the most boring, tedious Masters I have ever seen. The course is
> >a tricked up joke, especially the greens. They need windmills and clowns mouths
> >on those greens.
>
> I agree. It wasn't very entertaining...but they haven't changed the
> greens.
> ___,
> \o
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