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Date: 22 Feb 2007 15:42:23
From: gp
Subject: Why do some hackers......
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1. Brag about their distance with irons?? Some hackers, during
water cooler conversations, make claims of hitting a 175 yard 9-iron,
and then in real play, don't even come close.
2. Get "hold" of a drive or two, and poke it 280 to 300, and then
proclaim that that's their "average" driving distance.
3. Not brag enough about their actual scores, but rather choose to
brag about their prodiguous distances with their irons and drivers.
4. Not try to be better putters, or have better short games, and brag
about getting up and down, or sinking a 25-footer?
5. When talking about golf, or sumizing a round of golf that they
played over the weekend, only talk about the distances they hit their
irons and their drivers?
6. Who have no knowledge about the golf swing, but rather formulate
their own theories, are completely off-base on alot of them, and are
20+ or more handicappers always give "golf tips" to their hacker
buddies?
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 14:49:42
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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Golfers are a lot like fisherman...
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 11:13:01
From: Bill H.
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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> "Average" has lots of meanings. In the case of golf distances, it
> doesn't make sense to include a whiff as a zero yard shot to determine
> your "average" distance so that you pick the correct club in your
> approach shot.
True. Naturally there's no point in being a statistical freak when it
comes to making a reasonable club selection.
Perhaps it would be better for golfers to speak of their "median"
distance, provided the golfer has a large enough sample from which to
draw. Of course, that only helps if the golfer has a realistic idea
of how far each drive actually went. I've seen golfers greatly
inflate the distance a shot flew, or they count the roll it took after
landing on the descending slope of a hill so they think they "hit it"
270 yards, when the ball may have only travelled 230 or so.
In fact, maybe golfers should forget about how long they are and focus
on how well they're performing instead. (Note: This advice could be
applied to not just golfers, but men in general).
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 09:52:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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On 22 Feb 2007 15:42:23 -0800, "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>3. Not brag enough about their actual scores, but rather choose to
>brag about their prodiguous distances with their irons and drivers.
The answer to that is obvious. No matter how hard I look at a 110 on
a score card, I can't figure out a way to brag about it.
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 12:10:00
From: 3Putt from South Carolina
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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Attempt to instruct in this group?
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 01:53:29
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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"gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:1172187743.149793.169700@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> 1. Brag about their distance with irons?? Some hackers, during
> water cooler conversations, make claims of hitting a 175 yard 9-iron,
> and then in real play, don't even come close.
>
> 2. Get "hold" of a drive or two, and poke it 280 to 300, and then
> proclaim that that's their "average" driving distance.
>
> 3. Not brag enough about their actual scores, but rather choose to
> brag about their prodiguous distances with their irons and drivers.
>
> 4. Not try to be better putters, or have better short games, and brag
> about getting up and down, or sinking a 25-footer?
>
> 5. When talking about golf, or sumizing a round of golf that they
> played over the weekend, only talk about the distances they hit their
> irons and their drivers?
>
> 6. Who have no knowledge about the golf swing, but rather formulate
> their own theories, are completely off-base on alot of them, and are
> 20+ or more handicappers always give "golf tips" to their hacker
> buddies?
>
A golfer in our group (LongenWild) is a pretty nice guy and damned long off
the tee (or any other club for that matter), but inconsistent. You need to
give him a break since most of us are retired and he is still working
(somebody has to pay our current/future Social Security). LongenWild is
always giving another guy (GoodenShort) a hard time, even though GoodenShort
probably beats LongenWild 60% of the time.
There is a hole which is a (very good) driver for GoodenShort and a
middle/long iron for LongenWild. Goodenshort put his driver on the fringe
when LongenWild said "what is that you're hitting on a par 3 - a driver?".
GoodenShort was prepared. He grinned and showed the bottom of his driver to
LongenWild. It had a piece of masking tape on the bottom and carefully inked
on the tape was "9 iron".
dave
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 16:16:07
From: Bill H.
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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On Feb 22, 3:42 pm, "gp" <gophe...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> 1. Brag about their distance with irons?? Some hackers, during
> water cooler conversations, make claims of hitting a 175 yard 9-iron,
> and then in real play, don't even come close.
Mostly ego, I suspect. Or they were reading the club upside down and
it was actually a 6.
> 2. Get "hold" of a drive or two, and poke it 280 to 300, and then
> proclaim that that's their "average" driving distance.
Ego. Or a misunderstanding of what "average" means.
> 3. Not brag enough about their actual scores, but rather choose to
> brag about their prodiguous distances with their irons and drivers.
Ego. And the fact that their inflated (and actually, quite mediocre)
distance is all they HAVE to brag about, because the rest of their
game sucks.
> 4. Not try to be better putters, or have better short games, and brag
> about getting up and down, or sinking a 25-footer?
Putting is boring, and less fun than hitting 100 range balls with your
driver. Or they have the mistaken idea that how far you hit your
driver is the #1 factor affecting your score.
> 5. When talking about golf, or sumizing a round of golf that they
> played over the weekend, only talk about the distances they hit their
> irons and their drivers?
What, you expect them to talk about the skulled chip shot that cost
them two strokes, or the four-putt on 13?
> 6. Who have no knowledge about the golf swing, but rather formulate
> their own theories, are completely off-base on alot of them, and are
> 20+ or more handicappers always give "golf tips" to their hacker
> buddies?
Bad golfers love giving out advice. Usually, it's something they read
in Golf Digest or saw on TGC. It helps their ego to dish out advice
that makes them sound like they know what they're doing. Also, when
somebody poses a problem and you provide a suggestion, it helps raise
your self esteem because you think you know something they don't.
Sometimes this is true, but free advice is usually worth what you pay
for it.
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 09:59:48
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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On 22 Feb 2007 16:16:07 -0800, "Bill H." <billhen@gmail.com > wrote:
>> 1. Brag about their distance with irons?? Some hackers, during
>> water cooler conversations, make claims of hitting a 175 yard 9-iron,
>> and then in real play, don't even come close.
>
>Mostly ego, I suspect. Or they were reading the club upside down and
>it was actually a 6.
I did that once - right after I got my LW, I teed off at 7I distance
and hit a nice shot into the middle of the lake in front of me.
It isn't just hackers who want long hitting irons - otherwise
manufacturers wouldn't keep changing the lofts to fool us into
thinking we are hitting farther.
>> 2. Get "hold" of a drive or two, and poke it 280 to 300, and then
>> proclaim that that's their "average" driving distance.
>
>Ego. Or a misunderstanding of what "average" means.
"Average" has lots of meanings. In the case of golf distances, it
doesn't make sense to include a whiff as a zero yard shot to determine
your "average" distance so that you pick the correct club in your
approach shot.
We have to scatter graph successful shots, know how often our shots
with a particular club are successful (compared with other clubs), and
then make our choice.
That said - most hackers are pretty clueless here.
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 19:03:43
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why do some hackers......
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"gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:1172187743.149793.169700@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> 1. Brag about their distance with irons?? Some hackers, during
> water cooler conversations, make claims of hitting a 175 yard 9-iron,
> and then in real play, don't even come close.
More/humongous/exaggerated distance is irrelevant.
Consistent distance is relevant. We all have line issues but if you end up
pin high you know you pulled the correct club for your swing.
> 2. Get "hold" of a drive or two, and poke it 280 to 300, and then
> proclaim that that's their "average" driving distance.
Solid contact with shape to keep the ball in play is most important.
Hammering it into the fairway bunker or water hazard is an extra stroke.
Swinging too hard and producing lousy contact will yield shorter distance.
> 3. Not brag enough about their actual scores, but rather choose to
> brag about their prodiguous distances with their irons and drivers.
Those who brag are those who are not as good as they think.
> 4. Not try to be better putters, or have better short games, and brag
> about getting up and down, or sinking a 25-footer?
2 things don't last----dogs chasing cars and 6 footers for pars.
> 5. When talking about golf, or sumizing a round of golf that they
> played over the weekend, only talk about the distances they hit their
> irons and their drivers?
Distance is only good when it is the correct distance. See 3 above. Those
who brag are not as good as they think they are.
> 6. Who have no knowledge about the golf swing, but rather formulate
> their own theories, are completely off-base on alot of them, and are
> 20+ or more handicappers always give "golf tips" to their hacker
> buddies?
That is why they are 20+. And their buddies are 20+.
And that is ok. Let them have fun. It's good for golf.
Just play fast or let me through.
Otto
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