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Date: 15 Nov 2006 15:49:51
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.

He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
with his musical works.

So that's not good enough for you folks?

I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....

Date: 16 Nov 2006 11:47:47
From: Watty
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

In the UK, dogging is the practice of having sex with strangers in
public places, normally in cars parked in car-parks (or to translate,
in automobiles in parkings lots).

See:-
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/dogging/uk-dogging-locations.html

Slot, are you suggesting that there are lots of "guys dogging Kenny G"?

Does he leave the car radio on at the time? I hope he doesn't tune it
to a smooth jazz channel. It would certainly put me off ..... if his
hair wasn't enough.

Will anyone confess to having dogged Kenny?

Watty

Date: 16 Nov 2006 07:49:08
From: oasysco
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Ha! You're right! We're defending why Kenny G isn't the great artist
the original poster implies he his and we didn't even bring it up! Boy,
talked about getting trolled.
Greg

ottg...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Nobody here is dogging Kenny Geee, in fact the one bringing him up is
> you
> Bg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 07:22:36
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Nobody here is dogging Kenny Geee, in fact the one bringing him up is
you
Bg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 06:48:44
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Date: 16 Nov 2006 06:36:48
From: The Arranger
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

slot wrote:
> strat68@eudoramail.com wrote:
> .
> >
> > When accepting awards/grammys as a pop artist, all you'd hear from me
> > is "more power to ya..." if people are buying then he deserves it.
> >
> > He doesn't deserve it in jazz
>
> Tired argument. Even the jazz critics are accepting of KG. The
> hardcore fans are the last holdout.

I knew the day would come when Kenny G would cover "If" by Bread. I
will enjoy listening to this while eating vanilla soft-serve ice cream
in a waffle cone, watching "Wheel of Fortune" with the sound turned
down and reading my Reader's Digest.

The Arranger

Date: 16 Nov 2006 05:37:25
From: oasysco
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

ottguit@hotmail.com wrote:
> You don't heve to be good to get an audience, it has nothing to do with
> quality.

I can damn well personally attest to that. <g > Really!

> All you have to do is persevere, If that's what you want.

True... coupled with giving up many other opportunities along the way.

Greg

> bg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 04:56:53
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

You don't heve to be good to get an audience, it has nothing to do with
quality.
All you have to do is persevere, If that's what you want.
bg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 03:01:37
From: slot
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

strat68@eudoramail.com wrote:
> slot wrote:
> > strat68@eudoramail.com wrote:
> > .
> > >
> > > When accepting awards/grammys as a pop artist, all you'd hear from me
> > > is "more power to ya..." if people are buying then he deserves it.
> > >
> > > He doesn't deserve it in jazz
> >
> > Tired argument. Even the jazz critics are accepting of KG.
>
> "They" are accepting the almight dollar.
>

That leaves only the fans as the keepers of the "real" jazz flame.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:41:38
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:11:27
From: slot
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Loubert wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
> > On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >
> > >> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
> > >> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Chris Bellomy
> > >> C-List Charter Member
> > >> http://clist.org/
> > >
> > >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
> >
> > Only to a moron.
> >
>
> Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!
>
> I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
> the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
> arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.

Please try to be understanding. For most of these jazz geeks music is
the one aspect of their lives where they get to feel superior.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 15:27:09
From: ray
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

slot wrote:
> Please try to be understanding. For most of these jazz geeks music is
> the one aspect of their lives where they get to feel superior.
>

And posting to these groups is yours. Is this really the way you want
to play it?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:03:05
From: slot
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

strat68@eudoramail.com wrote:
.
>
> When accepting awards/grammys as a pop artist, all you'd hear from me
> is "more power to ya..." if people are buying then he deserves it.
>
> He doesn't deserve it in jazz

Tired argument. Even the jazz critics are accepting of KG. The
hardcore fans are the last holdout.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:00:48
From: slot
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Brian Foster wrote:
> So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
> that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>
> He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
> with his musical works.
>
> So that's not good enough for you folks?
>
> I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....

Right on, Brian. Envy is so petty.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 19:01:59
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
> : On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:01 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> :>Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:
> :>
> :>http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html
> :
> : Yuck. Where do you find this stuff?
>
> Every week on my radio show, The Good Show, we close with a
> special segment: The Bad Show. This was the Worst of 2005.

Chris,

(Plz. don't make me google for it). Is your show available via the
net....preferably delayed? I'd like to catch it/play it during working
hours. It's that or Rush.

-Greg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 06:38:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
: > : On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:01 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: > :>Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:
: > :>
: > :>http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html
: > :
: > : Yuck. Where do you find this stuff?
: >
: > Every week on my radio show, The Good Show, we close with a
: > special segment: The Bad Show. This was the Worst of 2005.
:
:
: Chris,
:
: (Plz. don't make me google for it). Is your show available via the
: net....preferably delayed? I'd like to catch it/play it during working
: hours. It's that or Rush.

http://goodshow.net/

Usually we post mp3s of the show, and you'll find past mp3s in
the archives of the website. We didn't get our last show, though,
for lack of a recording device (don't ask).

Mostly the show is modern/alternative rock with a sprinkling
of older underappreciated rock and then the occasional curveball
of jazz or whatever just to remind everybody that we can play
just about whatever we want. :)

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 18:59:58
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Loubert <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : Lou
> : "guess that invitation to the c-list won't be coming soon"
>
> Wanna join the c-list?
>

DON'T DO IT! : >

-Greg

Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:51:08
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

MnMikew wrote:
> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163625788.198777.294740@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Loubert wrote:
> >> Bobby Knight wrote:
> >> > On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
> >> > >> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Chris Bellomy
> >> > >> C-List Charter Member
> >> > >> http://clist.org/
> >> > >
> >> > >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
> >> >
> >> > Only to a moron.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!
> >>
> >> I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
> >> the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
> >> arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.
> >
> > Your opinion that there is no such thing as good jazz is one that
> > merits toleration? I don't think so.
> >
> But BKs moron opinion does?

Absolutely.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:34:15
From: Loubert
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Loubert <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : "good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
>
> Sure, to trolls!
>

Correct! This experiment in trolling was brought to you today by
Loubert. Perusing RSG this morning, I read the following quote by
Bobby Knight:

"Then there's the "professor" decrying the acts of trolling. He's one
of the best at it. Take this post for instance. I bit."

My hypothesis was that human nature guarantees that even weak,
inexperienced trolls will be successful. To test this, I needed to
find a thread that had relatively few posts, had a predominant opinion
base, and already had a warning against trolls. The Kenny G jazz
discourse fit the bill.

To troll, I needed a means to offer an opinion counter to the
prevailing position that was simply an opinion that was not an ad
hominem attack (that would come in the second post) and yet was still
provocative.

The oxymoron construct, used in the manner of the citation below from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron, worked perfectly.

"A more subtle rhetorical manoeuvre in designating an expression XY as
an "oxymoron", often used for either humorous or polemical purposes, is
to pick out a perceived or alleged property of objects of type Y,
re-construe that property as if it were a defining criterion of Y, and
then demonstrate that it is contradicted by X. For instance, if one
were to claim that "honest Politician" was an oxymoron, this would
imply the claim that Politicians, by definition, are dishonest."

Even better, "oxymoron" has "moron" in it.

I must admit that trolling was more fun than I thought it would be. At
some level there is a certain satisfaction in getting the exact
expected response to a stimulus. I'll stop.

Lou
"guess that invitation to the c-list won't be coming soon"

Date: 16 Nov 2006 01:24:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Loubert <lopcroix@yahoo.com > wrote:

: Lou
: "guess that invitation to the c-list won't be coming soon"

Wanna join the c-list?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 18:35:58
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 15 Nov 2006 16:34:15 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com > wrote:

>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Loubert <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> : "good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
>>
>> Sure, to trolls!
>>
>
>Correct! This experiment in trolling was brought to you today by
>Loubert.

LOL. Nice try.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 13:23:08
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Loubert wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
> > On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >
> > >> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
> > >> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Chris Bellomy
> > >> C-List Charter Member
> > >> http://clist.org/
> > >
> > >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
> >
> > Only to a moron.
> >
>
> Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!
>
> I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
> the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
> arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.

Your opinion that there is no such thing as good jazz is one that
merits toleration? I don't think so.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:34:10
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163625788.198777.294740@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Loubert wrote:
>> Bobby Knight wrote:
>> > On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
>> > >> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Chris Bellomy
>> > >> C-List Charter Member
>> > >> http://clist.org/
>> > >
>> > >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
>> >
>> > Only to a moron.
>> >
>>
>> Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!
>>
>> I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
>> the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
>> arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.
>
> Your opinion that there is no such thing as good jazz is one that
> merits toleration? I don't think so.
>
But BKs moron opinion does?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 13:11:16
From: Loubert
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> >> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
> >> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Bellomy
> >> C-List Charter Member
> >> http://clist.org/
> >
> >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
>
> Only to a moron.
>

Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!

I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 15 Nov 2006 15:23:28
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 15 Nov 2006 13:11:16 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?
>>
>> Only to a moron.
>>
>
>Oh, I get it, "moron" is in both words!
>
>I think I am up against a superior wit. I have clearly underestimated
>the cleverness of some jazz enthusiasts, though apparently not their
>arrogance and lack of tolerance of others opinions.

A superior wit would have to admit that calling "good jazz" an
oxymoron is arrogance and lack of tolerance of other's opinions?

Your wit is obviously inferior.
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02
From: Loubert
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header> wrote:
> : In article <zGG6h.10523$mR4.8640@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> : "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
> :> that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
> :>
> :> He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
> :> with his musical works.
> :>
> :> So that's not good enough for you folks?
> :>
> :> I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....
> :
> : He needs to hang up that E flat sax and play a tenor or even an alto.
>
> Soprano saxes play in B flat, one octave higher than tenors.
>
> Altos play in E flat.
>
> : An E flat always sounded to whiney to be considered real jazz.
>
> Oops!
>
> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/

"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:19:31
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Loubert <lopcroix@yahoo.com > wrote:

: "good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?

Sure, to trolls!

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 14:03:12
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 15 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800, "Loubert" <lopcroix@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>Chris Bellomy wrote:

>> Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
>> like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."
>>
>> --
>> Chris Bellomy
>> C-List Charter Member
>> http://clist.org/
>
>"good jazz"...isn't that an oxymoron?

Only to a moron.
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:36:13
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Because he's a hack who plays soprano sax worse than I do?

(Note: I'm a decent soprano player, not great.)

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 08:39:47
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

tiggerspalewife wrote:
> In article <zGG6h.10523$mR4.8640@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
> > that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
> >
> > He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
> > with his musical works.
> >
> > So that's not good enough for you folks?
> >
> > I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....
>
> He needs to hang up that E flat sax and play a tenor or even an alto. An
> E flat always sounded to whiney to be considered real jazz. Need that
> breathy sound.

Soprano sax is a b-flat horn. Alto is e-flat. John Coltrane, a real
musician, played soprano on occasion and nobody thought it sounded
whiney. Same with Wayne Shorter. No one with any real interest in music
would consider Kenny G. a "great musician/composer." I'd put him in the
same class as Madonna.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:35:01
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

John B. <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
:
: tiggerspalewife wrote:
: > In article <zGG6h.10523$mR4.8640@tornado.texas.rr.com>
: > "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:
: > >
: > > So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
: > > that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
: > >
: > > He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
: > > with his musical works.
: > >
: > > So that's not good enough for you folks?
: > >
: > > I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....
: >
: > He needs to hang up that E flat sax and play a tenor or even an alto. An
: > E flat always sounded to whiney to be considered real jazz. Need that
: > breathy sound.
:
: Soprano sax is a b-flat horn. Alto is e-flat. John Coltrane, a real
: musician, played soprano on occasion and nobody thought it sounded
: whiney. Same with Wayne Shorter. No one with any real interest in music
: would consider Kenny G. a "great musician/composer." I'd put him in the
: same class as Madonna.

Gawd, I hate Madonna, but her stuff has a lot more artistic
merit than Kenny G's. Seriously.

Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:

http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 17 Nov 2006 06:03:36
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Dene wrote:
>> Pure keting genius. How else would he get Annika to visit his site?

I haven't been to George's site in years. But that's soon to change
now that I hear there's porn there. PERFECT IMPACT, BABY!

Date: 16 Nov 2006 07:39:25
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

glfnaz wrote:
> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> news:fJR6h.323$SN3.76@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
> > news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> >>
> >> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
> >>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
> >>
> >> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
> >> League School?
> >>
> >
> > Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?
> >
> > uggggggggggggggghhh
> >
> > it smells in here.
>
> Not as bad as the porn site you host.

Pure keting genius. How else would he get Annika to visit his site?
: >

-Greg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 04:45:18
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Dene wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> > Well Georgie Boy, I have two degrees in music and played
> > professionally for thirty-five years at the top level of music, in the
> > studios. The web site that Sparky mentioned showed about 1/2 of 1% of
> > my professional recording background. So much for experience.
> >
> > Where you're clueless is in missing the point of what has been said
> > here by many, not just me. KG's giving of joy is fine, but the
> > sticking point is that he has put himself forward as being a force in
> > the genre of jazz. That simply isn't so, and your classical training
> > doesn't give you the slightest qualification in adjudicating that.
> >
> > I've never run from anyone, especially those who are in over their
> > heads on a subject that I know well. You never once received an
> > argument from me about your swing methods...that isn't my strength.
> > Jazz, popular music and the trombone are.
> >
> > Now that isn't ankle biting, it's straight into your clueless ass.
>
> Hmmm....if that response isn't anklebiting, what is?
>
> -Greg

Good thing I'm wearing long pants and those attractive longer
socks...........

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:40:02
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:08:24
From: slot
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Kenn Smith wrote:

>
> Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
> Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
> my mind.

If the guy was as good as G, why isn't he out there taking away Kenny's
audience, taveling the world, and making himself rich?

Envy. Nothing but envy.

> I do know for a fact that Kenny is playing the kind of music he has
> always wanted to play, going back into his teens, so it isn't like he
> "sold out" to make a ton of money. How do I know that? My son played
> tenor to Kenny's soprano in the University of Washington stage band back
> in the 70's and they became pretty good friends; exchanging philosophies
> and thoughts over beers or Starbucks after performances. Son told me
> years ago to keep an eye out for Kenny because he was going to make it
> big with his type of music. I've always respected his judgement so I
> kept an eye out and, sure enough, KG made it big. Son and Everett Harp
> are pretty good friends and he told me about Harp long before he ever
> released his first CD; not really my kind of music but the guy is good.
>
> I know for sure that I wouldn't want to take Kenny on for 18 holes at
> scratch - I'd get my head handed back to me. Even if he gave me all the
> difference between his reported +.6 and my 13 I doubt that I would be
> able to handle him For an amateur that is a pretty pure swing he puts
> on the ball.

Great Kenny story. Thanks for sharing that, Kenn.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 17:50:25
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

In rec.sport.golf slot <jazzjitsu@yahoo.com > wrote:
:
: Kenn Smith wrote:
:
: >
: > Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
: > Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
: > my mind.
:
: If the guy was as good as G, why isn't he out there taking away Kenny's
: audience, taveling the world, and making himself rich?

I have a soul.

This has been another edition of "Simple Answers to Stupid Questions."

--
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C-List Charter Member
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:40:01
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Gorelick did some stuff with Jeff Lorber that is probably
> beyond my limited improvisational vocabulary, but his utter
> inability to play in tune is a such a huge minus that I'd
> rather listen to someone who has my ability than to him.

Did he play much soprano with Lorber? Discounting the fact that is
basically pop fusion, I don't mind his playing...maybe my ear isn't all
that great. Kenny G's stuff since?....ugggh. Why isn't this guy
opening for Celine Dion in Vegas? It's really where that kind of
entertainment belongs.

Thought this was a rather interesting find....allegedly via Pat
Metheny.
http://aris.ss.uci.edu/rgarfias/kiosk/kennyg.html

Always wished I could play jazz....hell, wished I coulda played
anything. I was horrible despite hours of practice, kinda like golf.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:27:32
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

glfnaz wrote:
> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> > FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
> > including 8 years graduate work in music.
>
> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
> League School?

Daya go again.

-Greg

Date: 15 Nov 2006 19:04:21
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Bobby Knight wrote:

> Well Georgie Boy, I have two degrees in music and played
> professionally for thirty-five years at the top level of music, in the
> studios. The web site that Sparky mentioned showed about 1/2 of 1% of
> my professional recording background. So much for experience.
>
> Where you're clueless is in missing the point of what has been said
> here by many, not just me. KG's giving of joy is fine, but the
> sticking point is that he has put himself forward as being a force in
> the genre of jazz. That simply isn't so, and your classical training
> doesn't give you the slightest qualification in adjudicating that.
>
> I've never run from anyone, especially those who are in over their
> heads on a subject that I know well. You never once received an
> argument from me about your swing methods...that isn't my strength.
> Jazz, popular music and the trombone are.
>
> Now that isn't ankle biting, it's straight into your clueless ass.

Hmmm....if that response isn't anklebiting, what is?

-Greg

Date: 15 Nov 2006 14:56:49
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:01 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:
>
>http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html

Yuck. Where do you find this stuff?
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:08:15
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
: On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:01 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: >Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:
: >
: >http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html
:
: Yuck. Where do you find this stuff?

Every week on my radio show, The Good Show, we close with a
special segment: The Bad Show. This was the Worst of 2005.

--
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:47:00
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 15-Nov-2006, Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

> Gawd, I hate Madonna, but her stuff has a lot more artistic
> merit than Kenny G's. Seriously.
>
> Kenny G is in the same class as this guy:
>
> http://www.modbee.com/images/sections/rememberinglaci.html

AAAUUUGHHHHHHH! MY EARS! THEY BURN! THEY BURN!

me

Date: 15 Nov 2006 14:20:19
From: Kenn Smith
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Funny stuff in this thread - both funny as in odd and funny as in
hilarious.

Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
my mind.

Is KG a great composer? Too soon to tell. If a body of his stuff is
still being played fifty years from now he will probably deserve
"great".

I do know for a fact that Kenny is playing the kind of music he has
always wanted to play, going back into his teens, so it isn't like he
"sold out" to make a ton of money. How do I know that? My son played
tenor to Kenny's soprano in the University of Washington stage band back
in the 70's and they became pretty good friends; exchanging philosophies
and thoughts over beers or Starbucks after performances. Son told me
years ago to keep an eye out for Kenny because he was going to make it
big with his type of music. I've always respected his judgement so I
kept an eye out and, sure enough, KG made it big. Son and Everett Harp
are pretty good friends and he told me about Harp long before he ever
released his first CD; not really my kind of music but the guy is good.

I know for sure that I wouldn't want to take Kenny on for 18 holes at
scratch - I'd get my head handed back to me. Even if he gave me all the
difference between his reported +.6 and my 13 I doubt that I would be
able to handle him For an amateur that is a pretty pure swing he puts
on the ball.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 13:51:22
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

George Hibbard wrote:
>
> My degree is a BA in music at Amherst College, class of 1952, the youngest
> in my class. My other studies included the equivalent of the credits that
> would be needed for a minor in physics, IF such "degree" status were given
> FOR minors. So stating I minored in physics was not a bit misleading: the
> peg you all are seeking to hang this crap onto has nothing to do with the
> substance of my assertion but with the absence only of the "form" that might
> be in vogue in other schools where official "minor" programs exist.
>

Uh oh.....".ErictheLiar Degrees"

Date: 16 Nov 2006 16:11:29
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 16 Nov 2006 13:51:22 -0800, bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>George Hibbard wrote:
>>
>> My degree is a BA in music at Amherst College, class of 1952, the youngest
>> in my class. My other studies included the equivalent of the credits that
>> would be needed for a minor in physics, IF such "degree" status were given
>> FOR minors. So stating I minored in physics was not a bit misleading: the
>> peg you all are seeking to hang this crap onto has nothing to do with the
>> substance of my assertion but with the absence only of the "form" that might
>> be in vogue in other schools where official "minor" programs exist.
>>
>
>Uh oh.....".ErictheLiar Degrees"

No, it adds up. I just don't understand why there was 8 years of
graduate study without at least a Master's. That's plenty for a Phd.
Hell, my Master's took less than two years, and yes, at an accredited
university.
bk

Date: 16 Nov 2006 17:32:25
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:taopl21445kc982pn1bj8f33pdu147np0m@4ax.com...
> On 16 Nov 2006 13:51:22 -0800, bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>>George Hibbard wrote:
>>>
>>> My degree is a BA in music at Amherst College, class of 1952, the
>>> youngest
>>> in my class. My other studies included the equivalent of the credits
>>> that
>>> would be needed for a minor in physics, IF such "degree" status were
>>> given
>>> FOR minors. So stating I minored in physics was not a bit misleading:
>>> the
>>> peg you all are seeking to hang this crap onto has nothing to do with
>>> the
>>> substance of my assertion but with the absence only of the "form" that
>>> might
>>> be in vogue in other schools where official "minor" programs exist.
>>>
>>
>>Uh oh.....".ErictheLiar Degrees"
>
> No, it adds up. I just don't understand why there was 8 years of
> graduate study without at least a Master's. That's plenty for a Phd.
> Hell, my Master's took less than two years, and yes, at an accredited
> university.
> bk

Never had any interest in the degree: only the substance. I had no interest
in the academic establishment: I taught as I was taught my instrument:
privately.

So you wanted a degree. Ok with me.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 16:22:51
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:SF57h.314$yM4.60@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:taopl21445kc982pn1bj8f33pdu147np0m@4ax.com...
>> On 16 Nov 2006 13:51:22 -0800, bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>George Hibbard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My degree is a BA in music at Amherst College, class of 1952, the
>>>> youngest
>>>> in my class. My other studies included the equivalent of the credits
>>>> that
>>>> would be needed for a minor in physics, IF such "degree" status were
>>>> given
>>>> FOR minors. So stating I minored in physics was not a bit misleading:
>>>> the
>>>> peg you all are seeking to hang this crap onto has nothing to do with
>>>> the
>>>> substance of my assertion but with the absence only of the "form" that
>>>> might
>>>> be in vogue in other schools where official "minor" programs exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Uh oh.....".ErictheLiar Degrees"
>>
>> No, it adds up. I just don't understand why there was 8 years of
>> graduate study without at least a Master's. That's plenty for a Phd.
>> Hell, my Master's took less than two years, and yes, at an accredited
>> university.
>> bk
>
> Never had any interest in the degree: only the substance. I had no
> interest in the academic establishment: I taught as I was taught my
> instrument: privately.
>
> So you wanted a degree. Ok with me.

You said graduate work.
Where were the 8 years of graduate music studies.
It's not graduate work if it's not at a school program.
Kinda like saying you have a degree from an Ivy league School.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:18:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Kenn Smith <grizzledbear@webtv.net > wrote:
: Funny stuff in this thread - both funny as in odd and funny as in
: hilarious.
:
: Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
: Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
: my mind.

Let me put it this way: I can play "Songbird" (or whatever the
hell his signature tune is called) in tune.

Gorelick did some stuff with Jeff Lorber that is probably
beyond my limited improvisational vocabulary, but his utter
inability to play in tune is a such a huge minus that I'd
rather listen to someone who has my ability than to him.

As I said before, I'm not a great player. I'm fundamentally
sound, rust notwithstanding -- my intonation and timbre are
both solid, and I can play from a book well enough to play
professionally. My improvisation is pretty weak, though, so
I rarely do it anymore (though I still play some).

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 14:40:50
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:20:19 -0600, grizzledbear@webtv.net (Kenn
Smith) wrote:

>Funny stuff in this thread - both funny as in odd and funny as in
>hilarious.
>
>Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
>Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
>my mind.
>
>Is KG a great composer? Too soon to tell. If a body of his stuff is
>still being played fifty years from now he will probably deserve
>"great".
>
"Long Tall Sally" (#9 pop, #1 R&B in 1956) is still around fifty
years later. That doesn't make it great.

>I do know for a fact that Kenny is playing the kind of music he has
>always wanted to play, going back into his teens, so it isn't like he
>"sold out" to make a ton of money. How do I know that? My son played
>tenor to Kenny's soprano in the University of Washington stage band back
>in the 70's and they became pretty good friends; exchanging philosophies
>and thoughts over beers or Starbucks after performances. Son told me
>years ago to keep an eye out for Kenny because he was going to make it
>big with his type of music. I've always respected his judgement so I
>kept an eye out and, sure enough, KG made it big. Son and Everett Harp
>are pretty good friends and he told me about Harp long before he ever
>released his first CD; not really my kind of music but the guy is good.

There's no doubt that he's made it big with his type of music. His
ability to ad lib is very limited, compared to the recognized jazz
artists around. If there was no reference to his being a pure jazz
player there probably wouldn't be any controversy.
>
>I know for sure that I wouldn't want to take Kenny on for 18 holes at
>scratch - I'd get my head handed back to me. Even if he gave me all the
>difference between his reported +.6 and my 13 I doubt that I would be
>able to handle him For an amateur that is a pretty pure swing he puts
>on the ball.
He's a good golfer.
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:47:56
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:bduml21ak4vu0ftv7ncoh03pocklvieeoj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:20:19 -0600, grizzledbear@webtv.net (Kenn
> Smith) wrote:
>
>>Funny stuff in this thread - both funny as in odd and funny as in
>>hilarious.
>>
>>Can Chris actually play soprano better than KennyG? I haven't heard
>>Chris so I have no basis for comparison but reasonable doubt creeps into
>>my mind.
>>
>>Is KG a great composer? Too soon to tell. If a body of his stuff is
>>still being played fifty years from now he will probably deserve
>>"great".
>>
> "Long Tall Sally" (#9 pop, #1 R&B in 1956) is still around fifty
> years later. That doesn't make it great.
>
>>I do know for a fact that Kenny is playing the kind of music he has
>>always wanted to play, going back into his teens, so it isn't like he
>>"sold out" to make a ton of money. How do I know that? My son played
>>tenor to Kenny's soprano in the University of Washington stage band back
>>in the 70's and they became pretty good friends; exchanging philosophies
>>and thoughts over beers or Starbucks after performances. Son told me
>>years ago to keep an eye out for Kenny because he was going to make it
>>big with his type of music. I've always respected his judgement so I
>>kept an eye out and, sure enough, KG made it big. Son and Everett Harp
>>are pretty good friends and he told me about Harp long before he ever
>>released his first CD; not really my kind of music but the guy is good.
>
> There's no doubt that he's made it big with his type of music. His
> ability to ad lib is very limited, compared to the recognized jazz
> artists around. If there was no reference to his being a pure jazz
> player there probably wouldn't be any controversy.
>>
>>I know for sure that I wouldn't want to take Kenny on for 18 holes at
>>scratch - I'd get my head handed back to me. Even if he gave me all the
>>difference between his reported +.6 and my 13 I doubt that I would be
>>able to handle him For an amateur that is a pretty pure swing he puts
>>on the ball.
> He's a good golfer.
> ___,
> \o
>

Date: 15 Nov 2006 19:53:34
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:56 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>

>Is there a "test" for making joy? Is there a "redneck" suburb in heaven?
>Did those rough fishermen people we called "the Apostles" actually get in,
>or did they need a passing grade on the HSAT's?
>
>
You're clueless.

Date: 17 Nov 2006 06:00:43
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

George Hibbard wrote:
> He pointed out to me that my lineage included Liszt and Beethoven...
>

... and Barnum.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 22:13:17
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

glfnaz wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1163736793.913444.155960@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> I don't see you ankle biting political posters.
> >
> > CB is a commie, pinko, fag.
>
> CB is a bright guy.
> He knows...." the last shall be first, and the first shall be last"

Which proves that Christ loves golf, especially Scrambles.

-Greg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 20:13:13
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

glfnaz wrote:

> I find challenging GH's white lies more entertaining than Political Banter.

You got a point there.

> I don't see you ankle biting political posters.

CB is a commie, pinko, fag.

> I don't remember Mike calling Annika a thief. I'd guess I missed the post.

I think it was his last, hopefully final post.

> BTW--here's my best GH imitation....
> " I've done 25 years of post graduate studies in sexual orgasm. And, I've
> had a great teacher".

Now there's a worthwhile degree!

-Greg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 21:27:31
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163736793.913444.155960@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I don't see you ankle biting political posters.
>
> CB is a commie, pinko, fag.

CB is a bright guy.
He knows...." the last shall be first, and the first shall be last"

Date: 16 Nov 2006 16:04:06
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

glfnaz wrote:

> You said graduate work.
> Where were the 8 years of graduate music studies.
> It's not graduate work if it's not at a school program.
> Kinda like saying you have a degree from an Ivy league School.

Who cares? There wasn't a peep out of you and your cronies when
Dullecki slanderously called Annika a thief, yet you/other cronies
nitpick as to how many/what kind of degrees people have, first Eric and
now George.

Both fellas are st people. So are you, Dullecki, Rob, Head Shot,
and others. Hell....even Bellomy is st. : > Why pick gnats about
it?

Every time George appears, he's dogged about this and spamming.
Neither are relevent! Can RSG move on.....please?

-Greg

Date: 16 Nov 2006 20:42:55
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163721846.401034.65680@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> You said graduate work.
>> Where were the 8 years of graduate music studies.
>> It's not graduate work if it's not at a school program.
>> Kinda like saying you have a degree from an Ivy league School.
>
> Who cares? There wasn't a peep out of you and your cronies when
> Dullecki slanderously called Annika a thief, yet you/other cronies
> nitpick as to how many/what kind of degrees people have, first Eric and
> now George.
>
> Both fellas are st people. So are you, Dullecki, Rob, Head Shot,
> and others. Hell....even Bellomy is st. :> Why pick gnats about
> it?
>
> Every time George appears, he's dogged about this and spamming.
> Neither are relevent! Can RSG move on.....please?
>
> -Greg
>
I find challenging GH's white lies more entertaining than Political Banter.
I don't see you ankle biting political posters.
I don't remember Mike calling Annika a thief. I'd guess I missed the post.
BTW--here's my best GH imitation....
" I've done 25 years of post graduate studies in sexual orgasm. And, I've
had a great teacher".

Date: 16 Nov 2006 19:46:06
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163721846.401034.65680@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> You said graduate work.
>> Where were the 8 years of graduate music studies.
>> It's not graduate work if it's not at a school program.
>> Kinda like saying you have a degree from an Ivy league School.
>
> Who cares? There wasn't a peep out of you and your cronies when
> Dullecki slanderously called Annika a thief, yet you/other cronies
> nitpick as to how many/what kind of degrees people have, first Eric and
> now George.
>
> Both fellas are st people. So are you, Dullecki, Rob, Head Shot,
> and others. Hell....even Bellomy is st. :> Why pick gnats about
> it?
>
> Every time George appears, he's dogged about this and spamming.
> Neither are relevent! Can RSG move on.....please?
>
> -Greg
>

Greg: People read what they choose to have the words mean, regardless of
what the WRITER meant.

I think I said that I had 8 years of post graduate studies. It is called
"post" because it comes AFTER college graduation. I did not say that all 8
years were in "an educational institution."

Actually my instructor for the six years of private study would have been
the head of any music department anywhere - or close to it - if he had
chosen such a career. But he was a simple man, one of those people people
refer to as 'saints.' Humility, quiet excellence, fidelity, generosity and
VERY well trained himself. He pointed out to me that my lineage included
Liszt and Beethoven...

Oops, wrong forum. Using words unknown to the members...

Date: 16 Nov 2006 20:49:19
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:bD77h.320$TD5.120@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> He pointed out to me that my lineage included Liszt and Beethoven...

So what. I've got 2 Presidents and 2 Dalton Gang members in my lineage.
And I'm still st enough to know...
~~ that the left wrist does not maintain it's pre-swing 135* dish angle
~~ That you don't know shit about a baseball swing.
~~ Your golf forum gets porn links

Date: 15 Nov 2006 21:39:13
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:21hnl2pr2nh3u4go9j7g3nnodnvncevppt@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:56 -0500, "George Hibbard"
> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>Is there a "test" for making joy? Is there a "redneck" suburb in heaven?
>>Did those rough fishermen people we called "the Apostles" actually get in,
>>or did they need a passing grade on the HSAT's?
>>
>>
> You're clueless.

When non-responding here, it is appropriate, as in your case, to use a
pejorative insult.

FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
including 8 years graduate work in music. I used to adjudicate piano
competitions at the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore.

I wasn't passing on the professional quality of KG's work: I was commenting
on the joy he gave to me and to tons of others: not the whining or the long
notes: the roller coaster exuberance of the experience. (Do you have even a
passing acquaintance with "joy?"

What am I clueless about, O wise man?

I admire your technique: I think I have seen it referred to as "running in
and biting ankles and running away."

Date: 15 Nov 2006 21:01:49
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
> including 8 years graduate work in music.

The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
League School?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:28:12
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
>
> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
> League School?
>

Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?

uggggggggggggggghhh

it smells in here.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 21:58:34
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:fJR6h.323$SN3.76@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
> news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>
>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
>>
>> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
>> League School?
>>
>
> Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?
>
> uggggggggggggggghhh
>
> it smells in here.

Not as bad as the porn site you host.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 12:08:18
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: FOX News VS Other media

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:47:15 +0000, Brian Foster wrote:
> "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message
> news:455b587e$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...

>> Hmmm. Iraq is a cesspit of our own making. It is less about
>> anti-western terrorism than it is about control of the country by
>> competing tribes and ethnic groups.
>
> You are so wrong.....
>
> It is all about anti-western radical islam. The Iraqi civil war thing
> is all about prime time TV and you bought it.

You are so wrong.....

We used the pretext of anti-western radical islam to invade Iraq and now
there is more anti-American sympathy in the middle east than ever before.
If our plan was to create terrorists we have succeeded beyond our
wildest expectations.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 12:10:14
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:CFY6h.92$Vl.39@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
> news:455bf008$0$510$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>
>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>> news:fJR6h.323$SN3.76@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>>> news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>>>
>>>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>>>>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
>>>>
>>>> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
>>>> League School?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?
>>>
>>> uggggggggggggggghhh
>>>
>>> it smells in here.
>>
>> Not as bad as the porn site you host.
>
> Your shit knows NO LIMITS, eh? WONDERFUL! "It's better to open your
> mouth and remove all doubt than to remain silent and give rise to the
> possibility that you are NOT such an inveterate AH."
>
> And you aren't even aware of the fact that you are transparent in spewing
> like that?
>
> Again, wow!

Settle Down PI.
Fact is your forum gets about as much porn links posted there as it does
golf info.
Fact is, you claimed degrees before that..well....were not as you claimed.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 15:35:23
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
news:455cb7a0$0$3566$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> news:CFY6h.92$Vl.39@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>> news:455bf008$0$510$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>>
>>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fJR6h.323$SN3.76@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>>>>>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an
>>>>> Ivy League School?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?
>>>>
>>>> uggggggggggggggghhh
>>>>
>>>> it smells in here.
>>>
>>> Not as bad as the porn site you host.
>>
>> Your shit knows NO LIMITS, eh? WONDERFUL! "It's better to open your
>> mouth and remove all doubt than to remain silent and give rise to the
>> possibility that you are NOT such an inveterate AH."
>>
>> And you aren't even aware of the fact that you are transparent in spewing
>> like that?
>>
>> Again, wow!
>
> Settle Down PI.
> Fact is your forum gets about as much porn links posted there as it does
> golf info.
> Fact is, you claimed degrees before that..well....were not as you claimed.
>

Hackers are pretty inventive: their proliferation is unreal and so far I do
not know software that can prevent unwanted posts. So I posted at the top
of the forum list the following:

POSTING OFF TOPIC AND OBSCENE MESSAGES IS UNWELCOME!
People using this forum for personal promotion and to post links are not
welcome. Any such posts are deleted immediately so you are wasting your
time.

In your ingenious way you have managed to skew the reality to fit your
filthy agenda, implying I support those posts.

I cannot explain, - neither can any theologian I know of - the reason for
your malevolence, and it also is curious that you spend time worrying about
me so that you would even KNOW about such posts, because I delete any that
show up SEVERAL times a day: none is really capable of remaining there for
more than a very short time before I DO catch it.

Quoting out of context or incomplete passages, and ascribing ONLY literal
meanings to "the short form" in which much information is given in chat
forums is a tactic DIRECTLY learned from the stest heads in all of
Lucifer's castle, Brad. You apprentice well.

As I said, it stinks in here. And I had no idea how throroughly your
malevolence would evolve into a real stench.

Ok, you bit ankles again, this time more viciously.

Go tune into "The Adventures of O.J. Simpson" - perhaps since he's a
golfer there would be a ruse for your interest in him to cover your appetite
for deceit.

Yecch

Date: 16 Nov 2006 14:42:04
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:35:23 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>
>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message

>> Settle Down PI.
>> Fact is your forum gets about as much porn links posted there as it does
>> golf info.
>> Fact is, you claimed degrees before that..well....were not as you claimed.
>>
>
>Hackers are pretty inventive: their proliferation is unreal and so far I do
>not know software that can prevent unwanted posts. So I posted at the top
>of the forum list the following:
>
>POSTING OFF TOPIC AND OBSCENE MESSAGES IS UNWELCOME!
>People using this forum for personal promotion and to post links are not
>welcome. Any such posts are deleted immediately so you are wasting your
>time.
>
>In your ingenious way you have managed to skew the reality to fit your
>filthy agenda, implying I support those posts.
>
I saw no such implication. Everyone knows that any porn postings on
your site are not your fault.

However, I did see a statement regarding your degree claims, which you
didn't address. Physics degree...then 8 years of graduate music
study, without a bachelor's in music?
--
___,
\o

Date: 16 Nov 2006 21:17:59
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Checked Gas Prices Lately?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:13:49 -0800, annika1980 wrote:
> the Moderator wrote:

>> > I believe the premise is that global warming, caused by greenhouse
>> > gas emissions, has already influenced global weather patterns (that
>> > seems plausible to me).>
>
>> It seems plausible, but they just haven't been able to prove it.
>
> Actually, they have. There is a mountain of scientific evidence to
> support it.
> But even if you refuse to believe (for whatever reason) that reducing
> these emissions will help save the planet, nobody has argued a down side
> to doing that. Why NOT try to reduce these potentially harmful gases?
> Making our environment cleaner is always a good thing.
>
> It's a shame that some issues like this are constantly promoted by
> Democrats and as a result many Republicans automatically oppose them.
> Cleaning the environment should be a priority for everyone, not just Al
> Gore.

Yeah, but is there a business case for it? Quarterly profits, you know...

Date: 16 Nov 2006 16:19:52
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:NQ47h.300$D66.63@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> I did graduate work for two years graduate studies at Catholic University
> in D.C., and I studied music/piano performance/piano instruction for 6
> more years with a very distinguished private piano "teacher of teachers,"-
> a man who helped in founding the National Symphony Orchestra, who also
> composed for it, and who had some of his compositions played by them [as
> well for the carillion at Luray Caverns in Va.}.
>
> I taught music (piano) for 11 years in Md. and was Vice Pres. of the St.
> of Md. Music Teachers Assn. Among other things I adjudicated piano
> competitions at Peabody in Balt. Md.
>
> I characterized my education at Amherst CORRECTLY by INcorrectly
> identifying it AS an ivy league school because those not familiar with it
> would not have known of its extremely prestigious reputation - one of the
> Little Three (and this year one of the top 25 small colleges in the
> country, still) and whose graduates are/were held in the same esteem AS
> "big three" Ivy leaguers. Make no mistake about that. (Not the University
> of Massachusetts at Amherst....)
>
> So the venom is not about substance and that kind of truth: it is about
> vilification and the agenda to belittle.
>
> I need to get out of here, the aroma lingers

So where were the 8 years of graduate work in Music you claim?
6 years of private lessons. And you spin that to graduate studies?
Thats as absurd a lie as claiming you had a degree in physics from an Ivy
league School.

Date: 16 Nov 2006 15:50:26
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:35:48 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:puipl25igesqfttk75egkd3k8pfisjubh0@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:35:23 -0500, "George Hibbard"
>> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Settle Down PI.
>>>> Fact is your forum gets about as much porn links posted there as it does
>>>> golf info.
>>>> Fact is, you claimed degrees before that..well....were not as you
>>>> claimed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hackers are pretty inventive: their proliferation is unreal and so far I
>>>do
>>>not know software that can prevent unwanted posts. So I posted at the top
>>>of the forum list the following:
>>>
>>>POSTING OFF TOPIC AND OBSCENE MESSAGES IS UNWELCOME!
>>>People using this forum for personal promotion and to post links are not
>>>welcome. Any such posts are deleted immediately so you are wasting your
>>>time.
>>>
>>>In your ingenious way you have managed to skew the reality to fit your
>>>filthy agenda, implying I support those posts.
>>>
>> I saw no such implication. Everyone knows that any porn postings on
>> your site are not your fault.
>>
>> However, I did see a statement regarding your degree claims, which you
>> didn't address. Physics degree...then 8 years of graduate music
>> study, without a bachelor's in music?
"
>> bk
>
>My degree is a BA in music at Amherst College, class of 1952, the youngest
>in my class. My other studies included the equivalent of the credits that
>would be needed for a minor in physics, IF such "degree" status were given
>FOR minors. So stating I minored in physics was not a bit misleading: the
>peg you all are seeking to hang this crap onto has nothing to do with the
>substance of my assertion but with the absence only of the "form" that might
>be in vogue in other schools where official "minor" programs exist.
>
"You all" is not correct. I didn't even remember the Physics degree.

>I did graduate work for two years graduate studies at Catholic University in
>D.C., and I studied music/piano performance/piano instruction for 6 more
>years with a very distinguished private piano "teacher of teachers,"- a man
>who helped in founding the National Symphony Orchestra, who also composed
>for it, and who had some of his compositions played by them [as well for the
>carillion at Luray Caverns in Va.}.
>
>I taught music (piano) for 11 years in Md. and was Vice Pres. of the St. of
>Md. Music Teachers Assn. Among other things I adjudicated piano
>competitions at Peabody in Balt. Md.
>
>I characterized my education at Amherst CORRECTLY by INcorrectly identifying
>it AS an ivy league school because those not familiar with it would not have
>known of its extremely prestigious reputation - one of the Little Three (and
>this year one of the top 25 small colleges in the country, still) and whose
>graduates are/were held in the same esteem AS "big three" Ivy leaguers.
>Make no mistake about that. (Not the University of Massachusetts at
>Amherst....)
>
>So the venom is not about substance and that kind of truth: it is about
>vilification and the agenda to belittle.
>
Venom? It was a simple question.
>I need to get out of here, the aroma lingers
>
Hey. I certainly accept your background, but don't let that keep you.
--
___,
\o

Date: 16 Nov 2006 14:48:00
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:35:48 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>I characterized my education at Amherst CORRECTLY by INcorrectly identifying
>it AS an ivy league school because those not familiar with it would not have
>known of its extremely prestigious reputation - one of the Little Three (and
>this year one of the top 25 small colleges in the country, still) and whose
>graduates are/were held in the same esteem AS "big three" Ivy leaguers.
>Make no mistake about that. (Not the University of Massachusetts at
>Amherst....)

I don't understand why anybody would lie about Amherst. Are there
people who would be more impressed by hearing you graduated from an
Ivy League college than from Amherst? I doubt it.

Although the concept of lying to tell the truth can happen in real
life. For instance the Showtime TV show _Deadwood_ shows how foul
languaged they were by using modern foul language - instead of the
foul language of the time, which is now amusing.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:39:00
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:28:12 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>
>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>news:455be2bb$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>>
>> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>> news:ebQ6h.821$sF.791@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>> FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>>> including 8 years graduate work in music.
>>
>> The 8 years. Was that before or after the degree in Physics from an Ivy
>> League School?
>>
>
>Good to hear from you, Brad. Haven't lost your touch, have you?
>
>uggggggggggggggghhh
>
>it smells in here.
>
Yes it does, and it's wafting from Florida, not Arizona.
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:56:33
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:39:13 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:21hnl2pr2nh3u4go9j7g3nnodnvncevppt@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:56 -0500, "George Hibbard"
>> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Is there a "test" for making joy? Is there a "redneck" suburb in heaven?
>>>Did those rough fishermen people we called "the Apostles" actually get in,
>>>or did they need a passing grade on the HSAT's?
>>>
>>>
>> You're clueless.
>
>When non-responding here, it is appropriate, as in your case, to use a
>pejorative insult.
>
>FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>including 8 years graduate work in music. I used to adjudicate piano
>competitions at the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore.
>
>I wasn't passing on the professional quality of KG's work: I was commenting
>on the joy he gave to me and to tons of others: not the whining or the long
>notes: the roller coaster exuberance of the experience. (Do you have even a
>passing acquaintance with "joy?"
>
>What am I clueless about, O wise man?
>
>I admire your technique: I think I have seen it referred to as "running in
>and biting ankles and running away."

Well Georgie Boy, I have two degrees in music and played
professionally for thirty-five years at the top level of music, in the
studios. The web site that Sparky mentioned showed about 1/2 of 1% of
my professional recording background. So much for experience.

Where you're clueless is in missing the point of what has been said
here by many, not just me. KG's giving of joy is fine, but the
sticking point is that he has put himself forward as being a force in
the genre of jazz. That simply isn't so, and your classical training
doesn't give you the slightest qualification in adjudicating that.

I've never run from anyone, especially those who are in over their
heads on a subject that I know well. You never once received an
argument from me about your swing methods...that isn't my strength.
Jazz, popular music and the trombone are.

Now that isn't ankle biting, it's straight into your clueless ass.

--
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:23:49
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:u0knl2pbaequ5cr1gk98fpr0ha3b6e3coo@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:39:13 -0500, "George Hibbard"
> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>>news:21hnl2pr2nh3u4go9j7g3nnodnvncevppt@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:47:56 -0500, "George Hibbard"
>>> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>Is there a "test" for making joy? Is there a "redneck" suburb in
>>>>heaven?
>>>>Did those rough fishermen people we called "the Apostles" actually get
>>>>in,
>>>>or did they need a passing grade on the HSAT's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You're clueless.
>>
>>When non-responding here, it is appropriate, as in your case, to use a
>>pejorative insult.
>>
>>FYI, I am a trained classical musician with some 30 years immersion,
>>including 8 years graduate work in music. I used to adjudicate piano
>>competitions at the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore.
>>
>>I wasn't passing on the professional quality of KG's work: I was
>>commenting
>>on the joy he gave to me and to tons of others: not the whining or the
>>long
>>notes: the roller coaster exuberance of the experience. (Do you have even
>>a
>>passing acquaintance with "joy?"
>>
>>What am I clueless about, O wise man?
>>
>>I admire your technique: I think I have seen it referred to as "running in
>>and biting ankles and running away."
>
> Well Georgie Boy, I have two degrees in music and played
> professionally for thirty-five years at the top level of music, in the
> studios. The web site that Sparky mentioned showed about 1/2 of 1% of
> my professional recording background. So much for experience.
>
> Where you're clueless is in missing the point of what has been said
> here by many, not just me. KG's giving of joy is fine, but the
> sticking point is that he has put himself forward as being a force in
> the genre of jazz. That simply isn't so, and your classical training
> doesn't give you the slightest qualification in adjudicating that.
>
> I've never run from anyone, especially those who are in over their
> heads on a subject that I know well. You never once received an
> argument from me about your swing methods...that isn't my strength.
> Jazz, popular music and the trombone are.
>
> Now that isn't ankle biting, it's straight into your clueless ass.
>
> --
> ___,
> \o
>

Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:35:10
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:23:49 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>
>I never made ANY judgment about KG: I simply noted that many people enjoyed
>his concert./albums. And that is huge in the plan of lives that are
>INTENDED TO PLAY. I made no reference to, nor cared about, in what genre he
>is known. So you jump out with your pejoratives and contempt SOLELY because
>you are bitter, and not because there was anything in my post to argue with.
>Damn, BK: Don't YOU have a clue?
>
>Do you know that the BUSINESS OF LIFE IS PLAY?
>
>Look it 'up' someday.
>
>
This is your direct response to my post in which I also noted that
many people enjoyed his music, but that he was not a true jazz player.

>>>>Is there a "test" for making joy? Is there a "redneck" suburb in
>>>>heaven?
>>>>Did those rough fishermen people we called "the Apostles" actually get
>>>>in,or did they need a passing grade on the HSAT's?

Now, you can spin it all you want, but if that isn't commenting on my
post, why didn't you start a new thread?

What on earth do I have to be bitter about? Certainly not the music
that has been my life.

You just didn't like what everyone was saying and went off on a
tangent that didn't make sense in the discussion before it. Either
you can't, or don't, read very well. That was clueless.

Go back to your swing concepts George. You're in your milieu there.
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 23:20:39
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 08:28:27
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:34:34
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On 15 Nov 2006 08:28:27 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>
>Brian Foster wrote:
>> So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
>> that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>>
>> He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
>> with his musical works.
>>
>> So that's not good enough for you folks?
>>
>> I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....
>
>IMHO, the posts are trolls, probably aimed at Bobby Knight because of
>Mr. Knight's great repsect for the talent of the kazoo player in
>question!
>
>;^)
Actually it began with a a troll cross-posting from
rec.music.bluenote. If you think my response was harsh about KG, you
should see what that newsgroup said about him. :-)
___,
\o

Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:21:00
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

In article <zGG6h.10523$mR4.8640@tornado.texas.rr.com >
"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
>
> So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
> that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>
> He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
> with his musical works.
>
> So that's not good enough for you folks?
>
> I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....

He needs to hang up that E flat sax and play a tenor or even an alto. An
E flat always sounded to whiney to be considered real jazz. Need that
breathy sound.

Date: 15 Nov 2006 16:48:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header > wrote:
: In article <zGG6h.10523$mR4.8640@tornado.texas.rr.com >
: "Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:
: >
: > So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
: > that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
: >
: > He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
: > with his musical works.
: >
: > So that's not good enough for you folks?
: >
: > I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....
:
: He needs to hang up that E flat sax and play a tenor or even an alto.

Soprano saxes play in B flat, one octave higher than tenors.

Altos play in E flat.

: An E flat always sounded to whiney to be considered real jazz.

Oops!

Look, if you want to hear what a good jazz soprano sax sounds
like, get thee to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things."

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:10:29
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:49:51 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote:

>So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
>that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>
>He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
>with his musical works.
>
No, he's not. He's a so-so player who has made a lot of money playing
elevator music.

There's no argument about his mass appeal, only about the laudits for
being a great, even good, even passable, jazz sazophonist. A major
gaffe of his was dubbing his playing over a Louis Armstrong recording
for release.

Talk about balls!!!!
___,
\o

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:13:47
From: Ezran
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:10:29 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:49:51 GMT, "Brian Foster"
><brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
>>that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>>
>>He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
>>with his musical works.
>>
>No, he's not. He's a so-so player who has made a lot of money playing
>elevator music.
>
>There's no argument about his mass appeal, only about the laudits for
>being a great, even good, even passable, jazz sazophonist. A major
>gaffe of his was dubbing his playing over a Louis Armstrong recording
>for release.
>
>Talk about balls!!!!
> ___,
> \o
>

Date: 15 Nov 2006 08:07:38
From:
Subject: Re: Why are you guys dogging Kenny G?

On Nov 15, 10:49 am, "Brian Foster" <brianfos...@houston.rr.com >
wrote:
> So now we know he's got a great golf handicap and from that we can infer
> that he could kick just about anyone's ass who posts in this NG.
>
> He's a great musician/composer that has made lots of money and won award
> with his musical works.
>
> So that's not good enough for you folks?
>
> I have not seen him on any political ads. Maybe that's the problem.....

When accepting awards/grammys as a pop artist, all you'd hear from me
is "more power to ya..." if people are buying then he deserves it.

He doesn't deserve it in jazz, and that he doesn't say something about
it makes it worse. Though I'll admit the people giving the award are
more at fault for dumbing down the genre.

I think he as a great golf swing, and would not accuse him of a vanity
cap. That he didn't fare well in a nationwide event doesn't make him a
v-capper. There's so many good golfers now, that the tour needs an
overflow and the "other" tours are just that. This past summer there
was a NW event on TGC where they had a playoff that went a few extra
holes, they kept playing 18 over as I recall. I forget the two guys
but they were solid players, to compare KG to guys like that isn't
fair. Those guys would be middle tour players, at least, 30 years ago.