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Date: 16 Apr 2007 07:58:49
From: The_Professor
Subject: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.
Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all
heated

by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than
the
average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average
bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month.
In
natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel),
this

property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an
American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow
belt," either. It's in the South.


HOUSE # 2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national
university,
this house incorporates every "green" feature current home
construction
can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet
(4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American
southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps
drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.
The
water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it
in
summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas,
and

it consumes 25% of the electricity
required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from
the

roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground
cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into
underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected
water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and
shrubs

native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural
landscape.


HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of
Nashville,Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned
environmentalist

(and filmmaker) Al Gore.

HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford,
Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private
residence of the President of the United States, George W.
Bush.





 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 22:31:04
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On Apr 16, 2:29=EF=BF=BDpm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com > wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2007 13:45:12 -0700, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Course now, he probably can't climb 15 feet of stairs.
>
> >-Greg
>
> I imagine that he was fairly depressed when he lost the election. Some
> people lose their appetite when they're depressed and some start
> eating everything in sight. =A0It's pretty clear where Al Gore is on
> this scale.

I was depressed one particular season in my life and it had the
opposite effect....I lost 20 lbs. in 3 months. Man was it fun gaining
that back....I can still taste those apple fritters.

-Greg



 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 21:22:37
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1176735529.218983.214870@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> HOUSE # 1:
> A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.
> Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all
> heated
>
> by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than
> the
> average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average
> bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month.
> In
> natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel),
> this
>
> property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an
> American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow
> belt," either. It's in the South.
>
>
> HOUSE # 2:
> Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national
> university,
> this house incorporates every "green" feature current home
> construction
> can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet
> (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American
> southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps
> drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.
> The
> water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it
> in
> summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas,
> and
>
> it consumes 25% of the electricity
> required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from
> the
>
> roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground
> cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into
> underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected
> water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and
> shrubs
>
> native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural
> landscape.
>
>
> HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of
> Nashville,Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned
> environmentalist
>
> (and filmmaker) Al Gore.
>
> HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford,
> Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private
> residence of the President of the United States, George W.
> Bush.
>

All I know is that the whole debate seems to center around human caused CO2
in the atmosphere. The problem with that is CO2 makes up only 3.6% of all
greenhouse gases and human caused CO2 is just a fraction of that. When all
is said and done, human caused CO2 makes up .117% of all greenhouse gases.
To put that in perspective, take your average RSG full 7 iron shot of 300
yards. .117% of that distance is almost exactly 1 foot. So we are suppose
to believe that the solution to the global warming catastrophe is for us to
cut our CO2 by 30%, take 4 inches off of that 300 yard shot? That is going
to keep the polar bears from drowning?




  
Date: 17 Apr 2007 05:20:06
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
Steve wrote:

> All I know is that the whole debate seems to center around human caused CO2
> in the atmosphere. The problem with that is CO2 makes up only 3.6% of all
> greenhouse gases and human caused CO2 is just a fraction of that. When all
> is said and done, human caused CO2 makes up .117% of all greenhouse gases.
> To put that in perspective, take your average RSG full 7 iron shot of 300
> yards. .117% of that distance is almost exactly 1 foot. So we are suppose
> to believe that the solution to the global warming catastrophe is for us to
> cut our CO2 by 30%, take 4 inches off of that 300 yard shot? That is going
> to keep the polar bears from drowning?

You are wrong. The major greenhouse gas is water vapour (70%), but it
has a residence time of days, has not changed markedly over centuries,
and its level is not controllable by humans. The other greenhouse gases
are carbon dioxide (between 10-26%), methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur
hexafluoride, HFCs and PFCs. (The major atmospheric gases are nitrogen
and oxygen, but they are not greenhouse gases because they neither
absorb nor emit infrared radiation.)

Of these C02 is the most critical, since its concentration in the
atmosphere is now about 383 parts per million, compared to methane (1745
parts per *billion*) and nitrous oxide (314 parts per *billion*). The
level of C02 has increased by over 100 parts per million since 1750, but
half of this has been in the last 3-4 decades. A lot of scientists
suggest that a level of around 450-500ppm is a crisis point for its
effect on non-reversible global warming. Regardless, I don't think there
is an argument any more about the science, just the matter of degree.

Your argument is a bit like asking why should we worry if a toxic
chemical like lead is present in the air at 100 parts per million as
opposed to 1 part per million. That's not even a fraction of an inch in
your golf drive! But that small amount is the difference between being
toxic and being relatively safe ... the difference between healthy kids
and kids with major long-term health problems. Hence the decision years
ago to "de-lead" petroleum.

Another good example is CFCs. The Antarctic ozone hole is now reducing
as a result of positive action to eliminate their use and release into
the atmosphere. The science was again a matter of parts per million, but
the effect was very positive.

I have no doubt reducing (or at best not increasing) C02 by similar
amounts will have the same positive outcome. I just don't think we can
take the risk of doing nothing, especially if we want to continuing
playing a game like golf.

--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 00:59:39
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
> You are wrong. The major greenhouse gas is water vapour (70%), but it has
> a residence time of days, has not changed markedly over centuries, and its
> level is not controllable by humans. The other greenhouse gases are carbon
> dioxide (between 10-26%), methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur hexafluoride,
> HFCs and PFCs. (The major atmospheric gases are nitrogen and oxygen, but
> they are not greenhouse gases because they neither absorb nor emit
> infrared radiation.)

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html




 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 17:39:31
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On Apr 16, 5:06 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:58:49 -0700, The_Professor wrote:
> > HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of
> > Nashville,Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist
> > (and filmmaker) Al Gore.
>
> > HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford,
> > Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private
> > residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
>
> That's a tough one. Wubya can't even spell environmentalist. And I'll bet
> he doesn't know a thing about the HVAC system in his house.

The reality is that is is Gore who probably can't spell
environmentalist. Just another political issue to him. Not anything to
live your life by.



 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 15:02:22
From:
Subject: Re: Cyclists..NCG!
On Apr 16, 5:16 pm, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:04 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 16 Apr 2007 09:51:22 -0700, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > >On Apr 16, 11:48 am, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net> wrote:
> > >> On Apr 16, 10:32 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:44:33 -0500, "the Moderator"
>
> > >> > <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > ><bigoldc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >> > >news:1176681969.218162.284660@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > >> Please learn the difference between "gay" and "bi" professor.
>
> > >> > >There is no difference.
>
> > >> > You can be "gay", and not "bi", idiot. Posts like this one tells me
> > >> > that I shouldn't be so concerned about your political leanings. You
> > >> > just don't know very much.
> > >> > --
>
> > >> ..but can you be "bi" and not "gay"? That's the question here.
>
> > >Sometimes, not always, you come across as almost simple-minded.
>
> > Hard to believe that he has a Phd., huh?
>
> Probably hard for people like you to believe that anyone has a Ph.D.
> Sorta like it's hard for me to imagine that anyone can run the 4
> minute mile.
>
> If BiGold wants to be "Bi" but not "Gay", fine by me I guess it's
> women and sheep for him!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I can't even follow your line of convoluted thinking. Are you bringing
in beastiality now? Simple minded would be a move up for you.



 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 13:45:12
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On Apr 16, 1:23 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com > wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2007 07:58:49 -0700, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >HOUSE # 1:
> > A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.
> > Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all
> >heated
>
> Of course, you also have to count Gore's House # 2, 3 and 4. The man
> lives large in more ways than his body.

The only thing about Gore I admire was when he interrupted his
presidential campaign to climb Mt. Ranier (14k feet) with his son in
one day, then resume his campaign the next day.

That's pretty dang studly.

Course now, he probably can't climb 15 feet of stairs.

-Greg



  
Date: 16 Apr 2007 17:29:56
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On 16 Apr 2007 13:45:12 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:

>Course now, he probably can't climb 15 feet of stairs.
>
>-Greg

I imagine that he was fairly depressed when he lost the election. Some
people lose their appetite when they're depressed and some start
eating everything in sight. It's pretty clear where Al Gore is on
this scale.


 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 16:23:03
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On 16 Apr 2007 07:58:49 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>HOUSE # 1:
> A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas.
> Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all
>heated

Of course, you also have to count Gore's House # 2, 3 and 4. The man
lives large in more ways than his body.


 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 09:24:37
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
On Apr 16, 10:27 am, "Frank Ketchum" <no-...@nowhere.com > wrote:
> "The_Professor" <d...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1176735529.218983.214870@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> But who has the lower handicap? I seem to remember hearing the pres is
> around a 15 or so. Don't know about gore. With his fat ass, I bet he could
> drive the ball a country mile.

...bet he rides!



 
Date: 16 Apr 2007 11:27:35
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1176735529.218983.214870@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

But who has the lower handicap? I seem to remember hearing the pres is
around a 15 or so. Don't know about gore. With his fat ass, I bet he could
drive the ball a country mile.




  
Date: 16 Apr 2007 18:48:27
From: Vandar
Subject: Re: Who *REALLY* cares more about the environment?
Frank Ketchum wrote:

> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote in message
> news:1176735529.218983.214870@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> But who has the lower handicap? I seem to remember hearing the pres is
> around a 15 or so. Don't know about gore. With his fat ass, I bet he could
> drive the ball a country mile.

"He hits a long tee ball. He plays very fast--maybe he needs to take
more time, but who am I to suggest that? I expect he's about a 15 or 16
today, but if the windmill and dragon's mouth are out of sync, it might
be closer to 18." - GHW Bush talking about his son, GW Bush.
http://www.golfdigest.com/features/index.ssf?/features/gd200510dynasty.html