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Date: 23 Sep 2006 19:29:01
From: Booyah
Subject: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:49:48
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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In message <TMCdnVJAvIuVXYvYnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com >, sfb
<sfb@spam.net > writes
>While correct that "should" is a recommendation and "must' is a requirement,
>the real difference is "should" is without penalty and "must" is with
>penalty. The practical effect is "should" and "must" have equal weight in
>the ROG.
>
>Decision 20-1/16 states that the Note in ROG 20-1 (placing a ker or small
>coin behind the ball ) is a recommendation of best practice. Any best
>practice of the USGA is a "must" without penalty in my book.
>
>Anytime you are playing in a tournament with serious money or prestige at
>risk, splitting the "must" and "should" nit is a shit throwing contest
>waiting to happen.
>
>"greenkeeper" <greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:dBEDWnFENrFFFwVe@alancampbell.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <1159114852.251958.254150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, zumafan
>> <mgeorg@gmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>Ersatz wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
>>>> putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
>>>> Rog
>>>
>>>Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>>>one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>>>ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>>>to move it back.
>>>
>> Really, could you say where it says this in the rules, it only says
>> "should" not "must".
>>
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/61631356
>>
>> --
>> alan
>>
>
>
95% of my golf is tournament golf.
And must and should seem to be different in your book compared to the
rule book and the decisions.
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alan
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:33:08
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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In message <1159114852.251958.254150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >,
zumafan <mgeorg@gmail.com > writes
>
>Ersatz wrote:
>
>> If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
>> putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
>> Rog
>
>Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>to move it back.
>
Really, could you say where it says this in the rules, it only says
"should" not "must".
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/61631356
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alan
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:27:35
From: sfb
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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While correct that "should" is a recommendation and "must' is a requirement,
the real difference is "should" is without penalty and "must" is with
penalty. The practical effect is "should" and "must" have equal weight in
the ROG.
Decision 20-1/16 states that the Note in ROG 20-1 (placing a ker or small
coin behind the ball ) is a recommendation of best practice. Any best
practice of the USGA is a "must" without penalty in my book.
Anytime you are playing in a tournament with serious money or prestige at
risk, splitting the "must" and "should" nit is a shit throwing contest
waiting to happen.
"greenkeeper" <greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk > wrote in message
news:dBEDWnFENrFFFwVe@alancampbell.demon.co.uk...
> In message <1159114852.251958.254150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, zumafan
> <mgeorg@gmail.com> writes
>>
>>Ersatz wrote:
>>
>>> If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
>>> putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
>>> Rog
>>
>>Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>>one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>>ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>>to move it back.
>>
> Really, could you say where it says this in the rules, it only says
> "should" not "must".
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/61631356
>
> --
> alan
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:20:52
From: zumafan
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Ersatz wrote:
> If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
> putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
> Rog
Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
to move it back.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:41:25
From: Don Kirkman
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that zumafan wrote in article
<1159114852.251958.254150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >:
>Ersatz wrote:
>> If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
>> putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
>> Rog
>Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>to move it back.
I'm allergic to red ink, but fortunately nearly all my coins have a
heads side and a tails side, so I simply turn the heads side up for an
unmoved ker and the tails side up for a moved one.
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Don Kirkman
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:20:04
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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On 24 Sep 2006 09:20:52 -0700, "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com > wrote:
>Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>to move it back.
Tiger turns his ker over too. I bet he didn't do that in his
amateur days. It's a real good idea that I have decided to emulate.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 11:44:57
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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"zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com > writes:
> Ersatz wrote:
>
> > If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
> > putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
> > Rog
>
> Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
> one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
> ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
> to move it back.
k, Decision US/20-1/100 says that the player may measure
from the side of the ball rather than 'k first and move
the ker.'
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 21:20:04
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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On 24 Sep 2006 11:44:57 -0500, Aress Gee
<invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
>"zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Ersatz wrote:
>>
>> > If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
>> > putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
>> > Rog
>>
>> Just to clarify, you have to k the ball first, then move the ker
>> one (or more) putter head lengths. I have red ink on one side of my
>> ker and put that side up if I move the ker, that way I remember
>> to move it back.
>
>k, Decision US/20-1/100 says that the player may measure
>from the side of the ball rather than 'k first and move
>the ker.'
Ah -- thanks for the info. Didn't know that.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:06:39
From: Ersatz
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Booyah wrote:
>
> > You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
> > if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
> >
> >
>
> Usually, the ball hops into the air a bit. Not always--it depends on
> whtehre it's a dime or a quarter, and how well the coin has been pressed
> into the green.
>
>
>
> --
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If I can see that my ker will be on someones line I go left/right a
putters head width, am I within the rules? It is still ked.
Rog
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 00:22:46
From: pete z
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2006 17:17:01 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Rule 19-5 is the correct rule:
> >a. At Rest
> >If a player's ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped
> >by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it
> >lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no
> >penalty unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke,
> >in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
> >
> >In the situation I described, both balls were on the putting green
> >prior to my putt. Therefore, the person I was playing with should have
> >palyed his ball where it lied (after it was deflected by my putt), and
> >given himself a 2 stroke penalty.
>
> No. The player ( putter) is assessed the penalty, and the ball that
> was struck by his putt is replaced in it's original position. Rule
> 18-5.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 17:58:48
From: gman99
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Booyah wrote:
> You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
> if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
The ball goes somewhere other than where the golfer likely
intended...the first putter should ask the person placing the coin (or
other ker) to the left or right so that doesn't happen.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 01:24:31
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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On 23 Sep 2006 17:58:48 -0700, "gman99" <gman99@canada.com > wrote:
>The ball goes somewhere other than where the golfer likely
>intended...the first putter should ask the person placing the coin (or
>other ker) to the left or right so that doesn't happen.
I don't recall anybody ever doing this when the ker is past the
hole. Because they don't care if they hit the ker except when the
ker messes up the shot.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 17:39:00
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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This fits in perfectly. I was unaware of the rule before hand so
instead of a 1 stroke penalty, the player who did not k his ball
recieves a 2 stroke penalty. This is only true if (as the rule states)
both balls already lie on the putting green.
So, during stroke play, k your ball on the green or risk a 2 stroke
penalty.
Aress Gee wrote:
> "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Rule 19-5 is the correct rule:
> > a. At Rest
> > If a player's ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped
> > by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it
> > lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no
> > penalty unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke,
> > in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
> >
> > In the situation I described, both balls were on the putting green
> > prior to my putt. Therefore, the person I was playing with should have
> > palyed his ball where it lied (after it was deflected by my putt), and
> > given himself a 2 stroke penalty.
> >
> > Aress Gee wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's Rule 19-5 and your understanding of it is incorrect.
>
> And how does that fit with what you said previously:
>
> ----------------------------------------
> I think the reason for putting down the coin to 'k your ball' is
> because if your ball was there instead of the coin/ker then you
> would recieve a 1 stroke penalty.
> -----------------------------------------
>
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 19:41:48
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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"KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > writes:
> This fits in perfectly. I was unaware of the rule before hand so
> instead of a 1 stroke penalty, the player who did not k his ball
> recieves a 2 stroke penalty. This is only true if (as the rule states)
> both balls already lie on the putting green.
>
> So, during stroke play, k your ball on the green or risk a 2 stroke
> penalty.
You still have the player wrong -- it's the player whose ball _strikes_
the unked ball that incurs the two stroke penalty in stroke play.
You're getting closer each time, though.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 12:51:59
From: Jim Garnett
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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In article <barvene3xkj.fsf@server007.serverquality.com >, Aress Gee
<invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
>"KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> This fits in perfectly. I was unaware of the rule before hand so
>> instead of a 1 stroke penalty, the player who did not k his ball
>> recieves a 2 stroke penalty. This is only true if (as the rule states)
>> both balls already lie on the putting green.
>>
>> So, during stroke play, k your ball on the green or risk a 2 stroke
>> penalty.
>
>You still have the player wrong -- it's the player whose ball _strikes_
>the unked ball that incurs the two stroke penalty in stroke play.
>
>You're getting closer each time, though.
One of the most misunderstood rules. Maybe OB & lateral hazard round out
the top three.
~j.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 17:26:20
From: dsc
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Booyah wrote:
> You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
> if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
If your putted ball hits someones coin... you play your ball whereever
it winds up (hopefully in the cup) and I beleive replace the coin where
it was if it moved.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 17:17:01
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Rule 19-5 is the correct rule:
a. At Rest
If a player's ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped
by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it
lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no
penalty unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke,
in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
In the situation I described, both balls were on the putting green
prior to my putt. Therefore, the person I was playing with should have
palyed his ball where it lied (after it was deflected by my putt), and
given himself a 2 stroke penalty.
Aress Gee wrote:
>
> It's Rule 19-5 and your understanding of it is incorrect.
>
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 20:47:42
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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On 23 Sep 2006 17:17:01 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Rule 19-5 is the correct rule:
>a. At Rest
>If a player's ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped
>by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it
>lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no
>penalty unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke,
>in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
>
>In the situation I described, both balls were on the putting green
>prior to my putt. Therefore, the person I was playing with should have
>palyed his ball where it lied (after it was deflected by my putt), and
>given himself a 2 stroke penalty.
No. The player ( putter) is assessed the penalty, and the ball that
was struck by his putt is replaced in it's original position. Rule
18-5.
___,
\o
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 19:21:37
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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"KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > writes:
> Rule 19-5 is the correct rule:
> a. At Rest
> If a player's ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped
> by a ball in play and at rest, the player must play his ball as it
> lies. In match play, there is no penalty. In stroke play, there is no
> penalty unless both balls lay on the putting green prior to the stroke,
> in which case the player incurs a penalty of two strokes.
>
> In the situation I described, both balls were on the putting green
> prior to my putt. Therefore, the person I was playing with should have
> palyed his ball where it lied (after it was deflected by my putt), and
> given himself a 2 stroke penalty.
>
> Aress Gee wrote:
>
> >
> > It's Rule 19-5 and your understanding of it is incorrect.
And how does that fit with what you said previously:
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I think the reason for putting down the coin to 'k your ball' is
because if your ball was there instead of the coin/ker then you
would recieve a 1 stroke penalty.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 15:42:35
From: Buford Ressup
Subject: Re: Warning - I will be discussing Ryder Cup results real-time.
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:36:43 -0700, Big_Fan wrote:
>
> Buford Ressup wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:44:09 -0700, Big_Fan wrote:
>>
>> > This post is a response to someone complaining about someone else
>> > discussing the results (either before they are shown on TV or before
>> > they saw their recorded television coverage).
>>
>> No one complained about people discussing the results. What they
>> complained about, and rightly so, was needlessly putting the results in
>> the title of a post.
>>
>> The title of the post was:
>>
>> "Woods beats Monty - a sign of things to come?"
>>
>> Would it have really been that hard to title it:
>>
>> "A sign of things to come? <Ryder Cup SPOILER>"?
>>
>> How much difference would that have made?
>>
>> Nobody is trying to stop you from discussing the results, but some
>> people in the U.S. would appreciate it if you would do it in the bodies
>> of your messages instead of the titles, especially when it hasn't been
>> shown on American TV, yet.
>>
>> If it offends you to be considerate of others, even on the Internet,
>> then do as you please. No one can stop you.
>
> I'm not the one who created the subject.
No, you're the one who claimed that people don't want you to discuss the
results. I pointed out that you were making that up.
>
> Why should someone have to change the subject for today's results?
> In other words, if you're so concerned about the Ryder Cup results and don't
> want to know them, why are reading this newsgroup? Are you also avoiding
> the front pages of all news sites (yahoo, MSNBC, etc)?
Actually, I personally am not concerned about the results. Some people
are, though. I just don't like jerks who think they should be able to do
anything they please without the slightest consideration of others, even
when that consideration costs them no money and no effort at all.
The original poster can probably be forgiven, because he probably wasn't
even thinking about it when he titled his thread. Accidents happen. You,
though, are a different matter. You're continuing to defend your "right"
to say whatever you please any time you please.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 13:21:46
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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I think the reason for putting down the coin to 'k your ball' is
because if your ball was there instead of the coin/ker then you
would recieve a 1 stroke penalty.
So, I assume that if you play by the rules (which is something that I
believe in) then you are only doing what you should do while your ball
is on the green (and closer than others in your group) and king your
ball. If you k your ball and somebody else hits your ball ker,
then that is how the ball rolls. Exactly as the previous poster
correclty stated.
I learned this while I joined up with another golfer once. He did not
k his ball, and I hit his ball with my first putt. I said "what is
the rule on that ?" and he replied "that is a penalty on me", but he
gave himself an incorrect par after making his putt.
I do not know the exact rule, but hopefully somebody else does. I
would like to know what the rulebook officially says about this.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 23:38:23
From:
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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if a ball is between your ball and the cup, and it is likely to be hit,
then you k the
spot with a coin, and with a tee k the spot in a lateral fashion.
then pick up the coin.
>m h o
> v =83e
=A0
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 15:27:38
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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"KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > writes:
> I think the reason for putting down the coin to 'k your ball' is
> because if your ball was there instead of the coin/ker then you
> would recieve a 1 stroke penalty.
>
> So, I assume that if you play by the rules (which is something that I
> believe in) then you are only doing what you should do while your ball
> is on the green (and closer than others in your group) and king your
> ball. If you k your ball and somebody else hits your ball ker,
> then that is how the ball rolls. Exactly as the previous poster
> correclty stated.
>
> I learned this while I joined up with another golfer once. He did not
> k his ball, and I hit his ball with my first putt. I said "what is
> the rule on that ?" and he replied "that is a penalty on me", but he
> gave himself an incorrect par after making his putt.
>
> I do not know the exact rule, but hopefully somebody else does. I
> would like to know what the rulebook officially says about this.
It's Rule 19-5 and your understanding of it is incorrect.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 15:21:04
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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Booyah wrote:
> You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
> if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
>
>
Usually, the ball hops into the air a bit. Not always--it depends on
whtehre it's a dime or a quarter, and how well the coin has been pressed
into the green.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 20:13:36
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:29:01 GMT, "Booyah" <booyah@yahoo.com > wrote:
>You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
>if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
We curse.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 14:36:47
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: When putting, what happens if the ball hits the coin?
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"Booyah" <booyah@yahoo.com > writes:
> You know when the other golfer replaces his ball with a coin? What happens
> if the other guy makes his putt but it bumps into the coin?
Usually the ball changes direction slightly.
In rare cases, the coin changes position too.
In case you were looking for a useful answer, the ball is played
as it lies because nothing in the Rules tells the player to do
anything other than that.
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