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Date: 28 Oct 2006 21:35:30
From: annika1980
Subject: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
Two words: Tiger Woods.
The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
steak!
I think this illustrates the problem with the Tour. When Tiger is
playing, it's all good. But when he's not there, there is little
excitement for many golf fans. He makes the rest of the guys seems like
dubs by comparison. I never felt that way about the Tour prior to
Tiger. I always had a number of golfers I wanted to see like Norman,
Faldo, Langer, Pavin, Sutton, etc. If I was at The Masters I could
also watch the old guys like Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Watson, Miller
(Johnny, not Barber) or Trevino.
Nowadays, there just isn't much to get me out there. Mickelson isn't
playing so Amy won't be there. I've probably seen Vijay hit thousands
of balls in person over the past 12 years so that doesn't do it for me
any more. And watching Retief Goosen play is about as exciting as
mowing my yard.
I may still go for the final round if I can score some free ducats. At
least the crowds will be manageable.
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:43:31
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour. Two words: It's
participants.
The word "fans" can also be substituted for "participants".
Either answer will receive full credit.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 11:10:48
From: Traincontrol
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2006 05:33:55 -0800, "Traincontrol"
> <traincontrol@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> >> >No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
> >> >differently from what they really were.
> >> >
> >> >Tom
> >>
> >> Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
> >> around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
> >> of overstatement on your part
> >>
> >> You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
> >> your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
> >> of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
> >> individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
> >> 38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
>
> >> "Someone likes every shot"
> >> bk
> >
> >Tiger Woods plays golf all over the world and there were just as many
> >carzies in 1968 as there are now. Take a look at the crime statistics,
> >particularly murder rates in major US cities such as Detroit, Los
> >Angeles and Washington, DC.
> >
> >Your perception of what was and is written in the paper is hardly a
> >basis for comparison. If your statement is true it simply means there
> >are more items reported. But even that isn't true. A number of US
> >cities had major riots in the 1960s. Race relations were at an all
> >time low point. Tiger Woods would have been a prime target just as MLK
> >was.
> >
> >You just pulled a stupid statement out of your ass and now won't accept
> >correction. There is no statistical basis for your assertion.
> >
> >Tom
>
> A stupid statement from someone who totally misquoted what I said?
> You went from "more" to "none"...That's pulling something out of your
> ass.
> Screw you. I stand by my assertion.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 13:34:57
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On 31 Oct 2006 11:10:48 -0800, "Traincontrol"
<traincontrol@hotmail.com > wrote:
>In other words, you pulled an assertion out of your ass that you have
>absolutely no evidence for but you aren't man enough to either back it
>up or admit it was in error. From other posts or yours that I have
>read on this forum it doesn't surprise me.
>
>Tom
You're a beaut. Here's my original statement, which you either
misread, or weren't able to understand.
> Things were a little different in '68. There weren't so many crazies around, and I don't blame any person of
>TW's fame for avoiding the crowd.
What error? There aren't crazies around? Even if there are less now
than before, it only takes one to be dangerous. Doing harm to someone
of TW's stature is certainly a possibility, and he's wise to stay
separated from crowds. That doesn't compute with you? Oops. You've
already answered that with your earlier, fatuous, responses.
Your statement that I said "no" crazies was what was pulled out of an
ass. Yours.
From the four posts that I've seen from you on this forum it's obvious
that you make the proberbial Christmas turkey look empty.
Stuff it.
___,
\o
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 13:47:40
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
(snip)
>
> From the four posts that I've seen from you on this forum it's obvious
> that you make the proberbial Christmas turkey look empty.
>
> Stuff it.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:58:51
From: Traincontrol
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Kevin D. Timm wrote:
> Traincontrol wrote:
> >
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> > > On 30 Oct 2006 11:03:59 -0800, "Traincontrol"
> > > <traincontrol@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > > <clip>
> > > >>
> > > >> By opting to follow players less talented than one of the greatest
> > > >> golfers ever to swing a club. Things were a little different in '68.
> > > >> There weren't so many crazies around, and I don't blame any person of
> > > >> TW's fame for avoiding the crowd.
> > >
> > > >> bk
> > > >
> > > >Not so many carzies in 68? Well Charles Manson didn't happen until 68
> > > >but in Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were killed in 68. A B52
> > > >crashed in Germany dropping four nuclear weapons. The North Koreans
> > > >captured the USS Pueblo. Pol Pot became head of the Khmer Rouge (sp?).
> > > > Tet offensive, My Lai.
> > > >
> > > >No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
> > > >differently from what they really were.
> > > >
> > > >Tom
> > >
> > > Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
> > > around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
> > > of overstatement on your part
> > >
> > > You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
> > > your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
> > > of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
> > > individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
> > > 38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
> > > --
> > > ___,
> > > \o
> > >
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:41:44
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On 31 Oct 2006 07:58:51 -0800, "Traincontrol"
<traincontrol@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>Kevin D. Timm wrote:
>> Traincontrol wrote:
>> If I may be so bold as to speak for Bobby (one of my idols in
>> grumpiness, second only to Joe Soucheray) let me attempt to clarify.
>>
>> His reference to 'crazies' has nothing to do with the people wandering
>> around the world at large, instead, his reference is towards the folks
>> that are at the tournaments TW competes and on the periphery of those
>> same venues, as well as those who would stalk TW in his day to day
>> life. Though there may have been then as well as now a great number of
>> 'crazies at large', BK refers not to them, but instead to those who
>> would stalk a celebrity.
>>
>> BK, of course, you should correct me if I'm wrong ;)
>>
>> KT
>
>And your evidence for this assertion is? Do you keep statistics on
>celebrity stalkers?
>
>Tom
Cite your "evidence", because you obviously do keep stats on celebrity
stalkers.
___,
\o
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 09:03:51
From: Kevin D. Timm
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Traincontrol wrote:
>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
> > On 30 Oct 2006 11:03:59 -0800, "Traincontrol"
> > <traincontrol@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > <clip>
> > >>
> > >> By opting to follow players less talented than one of the greatest
> > >> golfers ever to swing a club. Things were a little different in '68.
> > >> There weren't so many crazies around, and I don't blame any person of
> > >> TW's fame for avoiding the crowd.
> >
> > >> bk
> > >
> > >Not so many carzies in 68? Well Charles Manson didn't happen until 68
> > >but in Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were killed in 68. A B52
> > >crashed in Germany dropping four nuclear weapons. The North Koreans
> > >captured the USS Pueblo. Pol Pot became head of the Khmer Rouge (sp?).
> > > Tet offensive, My Lai.
> > >
> > >No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
> > >differently from what they really were.
> > >
> > >Tom
> >
> > Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
> > around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
> > of overstatement on your part
> >
> > You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
> > your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
> > of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
> > individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
> > 38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
> > --
> > ___,
> > \o
> >
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:34:59
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:03:51 -0600, "Kevin D. Timm"
<kevindtimm@comcast.net > wrote:
>Traincontrol wrote:
<lip >
>>
>> Tiger Woods plays golf all over the world and there were just as many
>> carzies in 1968 as there are now. Take a look at the crime statistics,
>> particularly murder rates in major US cities such as Detroit, Los
>> Angeles and Washington, DC.
>>
>> Your perception of what was and is written in the paper is hardly a
>> basis for comparison. If your statement is true it simply means there
>> are more items reported. But even that isn't true. A number of US
>> cities had major riots in the 1960s. Race relations were at an all
>> time low point. Tiger Woods would have been a prime target just as MLK
>> was.
>>
>> You just pulled a stupid statement out of your ass and now won't accept
>> correction. There is no statistical basis for your assertion.
>>
>> Tom
>
>If I may be so bold as to speak for Bobby (one of my idols in
>grumpiness, second only to Joe Soucheray) let me attempt to clarify.
>
>His reference to 'crazies' has nothing to do with the people wandering
>around the world at large, instead, his reference is towards the folks
>that are at the tournaments TW competes and on the periphery of those
>same venues, as well as those who would stalk TW in his day to day
>life. Though there may have been then as well as now a great number of
>'crazies at large', BK refers not to them, but instead to those who
>would stalk a celebrity.
>
>BK, of course, you should correct me if I'm wrong ;)
>
>KT
Of course you're right. Traincontrol is FOS.
P.S. Grumpiness? :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 05:33:55
From: Traincontrol
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2006 11:03:59 -0800, "Traincontrol"
> <traincontrol@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> <clip>
> >>
> >> By opting to follow players less talented than one of the greatest
> >> golfers ever to swing a club. Things were a little different in '68.
> >> There weren't so many crazies around, and I don't blame any person of
> >> TW's fame for avoiding the crowd.
>
> >> bk
> >
> >Not so many carzies in 68? Well Charles Manson didn't happen until 68
> >but in Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were killed in 68. A B52
> >crashed in Germany dropping four nuclear weapons. The North Koreans
> >captured the USS Pueblo. Pol Pot became head of the Khmer Rouge (sp?).
> > Tet offensive, My Lai.
> >
> >No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
> >differently from what they really were.
> >
> >Tom
>
> Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
> around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
> of overstatement on your part
>
> You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
> your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
> of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
> individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
> 38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
> --
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:32:33
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On 31 Oct 2006 05:33:55 -0800, "Traincontrol"
<traincontrol@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> >No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
>> >differently from what they really were.
>> >
>> >Tom
>>
>> Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
>> around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
>> of overstatement on your part
>>
>> You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
>> your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
>> of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
>> individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
>> 38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
>> "Someone likes every shot"
>> bk
>
>Tiger Woods plays golf all over the world and there were just as many
>carzies in 1968 as there are now. Take a look at the crime statistics,
>particularly murder rates in major US cities such as Detroit, Los
>Angeles and Washington, DC.
>
>Your perception of what was and is written in the paper is hardly a
>basis for comparison. If your statement is true it simply means there
>are more items reported. But even that isn't true. A number of US
>cities had major riots in the 1960s. Race relations were at an all
>time low point. Tiger Woods would have been a prime target just as MLK
>was.
>
>You just pulled a stupid statement out of your ass and now won't accept
>correction. There is no statistical basis for your assertion.
>
>Tom
A stupid statement from someone who totally misquoted what I said?
You went from "more" to "none"...That's pulling something out of your
ass.
Screw you. I stand by my assertion.
___,
\o
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 11:03:59
From: Traincontrol
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 29 Oct 2006 22:29:10 -0800, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >> On 29 Oct 2006 20:27:01 -0800, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >annika1980 wrote:
> >> >> I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
> >> >> Two words: Tiger Woods.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
> >> >> Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
> >> >> now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
> >> >> Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
> >> >> steak!
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Personally, I'd rather follow Arnie and Jack shooting 82 and a 76 than
> >> >follow TW.
> >>
> >> I've seen them all play, you're shortchanging yourself. Big time.
> >> ___,
> >> \o
> >>
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:48:11
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On 30 Oct 2006 11:03:59 -0800, "Traincontrol"
<traincontrol@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
<clip >
>>
>> By opting to follow players less talented than one of the greatest
>> golfers ever to swing a club. Things were a little different in '68.
>> There weren't so many crazies around, and I don't blame any person of
>> TW's fame for avoiding the crowd.
>> bk
>
>Not so many carzies in 68? Well Charles Manson didn't happen until 68
>but in Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were killed in 68. A B52
>crashed in Germany dropping four nuclear weapons. The North Koreans
>captured the USS Pueblo. Pol Pot became head of the Khmer Rouge (sp?).
> Tet offensive, My Lai.
>
>No crazies at all in 1968. It's funny how remember things so
>differently from what they really were.
>
>Tom
Try reading my post again which said "There weren't so many crazies
around"...where did you come up with "no crazies"? A fine example
of overstatement on your part
You mentioned Charles Manson, Kennedy and King, but the rest of
your examples were not here in America, which is where TW plays most
of his golf. We've has experienced a vast increase in attacks from
individuals, and gangs, on the citizenship in our country in the last
38 years. Don't you read your daily paper?
--
___,
\o
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:29:10
From: pete z
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 29 Oct 2006 20:27:01 -0800, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >annika1980 wrote:
> >> I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
> >> Two words: Tiger Woods.
> >>
> >> The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
> >> Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
> >> now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
> >> Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
> >> steak!
> >>
>
> >
> >Personally, I'd rather follow Arnie and Jack shooting 82 and a 76 than
> >follow TW.
>
> I've seen them all play, you're shortchanging yourself. Big time.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:15:48
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On 29 Oct 2006 22:29:10 -0800, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 29 Oct 2006 20:27:01 -0800, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >annika1980 wrote:
>> >> I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
>> >> Two words: Tiger Woods.
>> >>
>> >> The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
>> >> Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
>> >> now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
>> >> Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
>> >> steak!
>> >>
>>
>> >
>> >Personally, I'd rather follow Arnie and Jack shooting 82 and a 76 than
>> >follow TW.
>>
>> I've seen them all play, you're shortchanging yourself. Big time.
>> ___,
>> \o
>>
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:19:25
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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drworldgolf wrote:
> Is that Tiger"s fault, or all the other PGA golfers who can't step up
> their game enough to give Tiger a challenge?
It would be the same if the players were named Nicklaus, Palmer,
Watson, or Trevino.
The only difference is that Phil might have a few less wins.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 10:44:21
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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annika1980 wrote:
> I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
> Two words: Tiger Woods.
>
> The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
> Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
> now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
> Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
> steak!
>
> I think this illustrates the problem with the Tour. When Tiger is
> playing, it's all good. But when he's not there, there is little
> excitement for many golf fans. He makes the rest of the guys seems like
> dubs by comparison. I never felt that way about the Tour prior to
> Tiger. I always had a number of golfers I wanted to see like Norman,
> Faldo, Langer, Pavin, Sutton, etc. If I was at The Masters I could
> also watch the old guys like Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Watson, Miller
> (Johnny, not Barber) or Trevino.
> Nowadays, there just isn't much to get me out there. Mickelson isn't
> playing so Amy won't be there. I've probably seen Vijay hit thousands
> of balls in person over the past 12 years so that doesn't do it for me
> any more. And watching Retief Goosen play is about as exciting as
> mowing my yard.
>
> I may still go for the final round if I can score some free ducats. At
> least the crowds will be manageable.
I never watch golf unless tiger is playing or michelle wie. It's not my
fault or theirs that the rest of the tour is composed of boring 9-5
types.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 09:30:26
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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On Oct 29, 7:32 am, "randrx2" <rand...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Two words to make the game more exciting. Match play.
Completely agree. I mean, who can forget the finals of the
(inaugural?) WGC Match Play from 1999 featuring a
hard charging Andrew Magee and the crowd-pleasing Jeff Maggert. Good
call!
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 15:00:22
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Ben. wrote:
>
> On Oct 29, 7:32 am, "randrx2" <rand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Two words to make the game more exciting. Match play.
>
> Completely agree. I mean, who can forget the finals of the
> (inaugural?) WGC Match Play from 1999 featuring a
> hard charging Andrew Magee and the crowd-pleasing Jeff Maggert. Good
> call!
>
Who?
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 05:32:09
From: randrx2
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Two words to make the game more exciting. Match play.
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:30:38
From: drworldgolf
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the PGA Tour?
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Is that Tiger"s fault, or all the other PGA golfers who can't step up
their game enough to give Tiger a challenge? http://www.mygolfbuddy.com
annika1980 wrote:
> I'll tell you what's wrong with the tour.
> Two words: Tiger Woods.
>
> The Oldest Member and I have excitedly been making our plans to go see
> Tiger at the Tour Championship next week. And now Tiger withdraws. So
> now, neither of us are too stoked to make the trip just to see Tom
> Pernice Jr. or Jim friggin Furyk. Those guys are ham & eggers. We want
> steak!
>
> I think this illustrates the problem with the Tour. When Tiger is
> playing, it's all good. But when he's not there, there is little
> excitement for many golf fans. He makes the rest of the guys seems like
> dubs by comparison. I never felt that way about the Tour prior to
> Tiger. I always had a number of golfers I wanted to see like Norman,
> Faldo, Langer, Pavin, Sutton, etc. If I was at The Masters I could
> also watch the old guys like Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Watson, Miller
> (Johnny, not Barber) or Trevino.
> Nowadays, there just isn't much to get me out there. Mickelson isn't
> playing so Amy won't be there. I've probably seen Vijay hit thousands
> of balls in person over the past 12 years so that doesn't do it for me
> any more. And watching Retief Goosen play is about as exciting as
> mowing my yard.
>
> I may still go for the final round if I can score some free ducats. At
> least the crowds will be manageable.
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