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Date: 06 Oct 2006 06:25:59
From: Ken
Subject: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Date: 09 Oct 2006 08:05:51
From: Thor
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Oct 6 2006 10:25 AM, Ken wrote:

> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Seems there are two types of responses, the worst golf hole and the
worst play on a golf hole.

The worst golf hole ever has thankfully been bulldozed. It was at
Kyber Run golf course near CowLumbus. ROCK hard green,
extremely severely sloped par 3. Nobody ever hit that green. There
was no pin position on that green either that the ball would not either
roll off the green or roll back to your feet. Unless you got lucky and
it got stuck in a crack in the green, of which there were many, some
almost an inch wide. These are deep cracks - splits in the earth.
There were several other holes on the course nearly as bad. They
have since redone the entire course and made it 18 holes. It is
pretty nice now.

The worst play on a golf hole for me was my first golf hole. I had not
ever
played or practiced, a buddy talked me into joining a league. How hard
can it be? I hit 3 balls OB off the tee on the first hole - right off the
toe,
straight right - so I couldn't even take advantage of the liberal rules
in
that league which allowed me to forego the distance penalty and drop
where it went out. It took a long time but I finally finished with a 17
on
this short easy par 4.

I shot an 89 for those 9 holes.

-- Thor

PS: We won the league. They all thought I was a huge sandbagger
since I was shooting around 50 by the end of the season.

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Date: 09 Oct 2006 12:53:09
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:05:51 -0700, "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com >
wrote:

>On Oct 6 2006 10:25 AM, Ken wrote:
>
>> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
>> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
>> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
>> circumstances, that caused it to happen.
>
>Seems there are two types of responses, the worst golf hole and the
>worst play on a golf hole.
>
>The worst golf hole ever has thankfully been bulldozed. It was at
>Kyber Run golf course near CowLumbus. ROCK hard green,
>extremely severely sloped par 3. Nobody ever hit that green. There
>was no pin position on that green either that the ball would not either
>roll off the green or roll back to your feet. Unless you got lucky and
>it got stuck in a crack in the green, of which there were many, some
>almost an inch wide. These are deep cracks - splits in the earth.
>There were several other holes on the course nearly as bad. They
>have since redone the entire course and made it 18 holes. It is
>pretty nice now.
>
>The worst play on a golf hole for me was my first golf hole. I had not
>ever
>played or practiced, a buddy talked me into joining a league. How hard
>can it be? I hit 3 balls OB off the tee on the first hole - right off the
>toe,
>straight right - so I couldn't even take advantage of the liberal rules
>in
>that league which allowed me to forego the distance penalty and drop
>where it went out. It took a long time but I finally finished with a 17
>on
>this short easy par 4.
>
>I shot an 89 for those 9 holes.
>
>-- Thor
>
>PS: We won the league. They all thought I was a huge sandbagger
>since I was shooting around 50 by the end of the season.

I remember the first time I played in a league with my father-in-law.
I don't recall if I had gone to the range ever or not. But I just
barely nicked the ball with the heel of my driver, it went between my
legs, and under the carts behind me. Ugly.
--

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Date: 08 Oct 2006 07:28:32
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

George Hibbard wrote:
> which is to say, I play the same game as Tiger Woods. Hit the ball until
> you get it into the cup, pick it out, tee it up on the next hole, etc., and
> remember to write down the no. of shots. Get home, analyze your bad swings,
> rinse and repeat (I love that "rinse" - never saw it before this am).

LOL! I wish I could share your optimism! Good story.

Reminded me of the Avalon golf course here in Sydney.
Only 9 holes. On both sides of a gully. So you go
1,2,3,4 zig-zag downhill, then a level 5 at the bottom, then
6,7,8,9zig-zag up the hill. Reverse for 18.
When you're on any of the holes on each slope, a missed
drive to the wrong side and it's a loooooooooong walk
downhill and a loooooong series of wedge shots uphill to
get back to the right hole. Provisional-ball-city, that one! :-)

Date: 08 Oct 2006 06:53:26
From: Henry
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.
>
Watching my buddy play counterclockwise "ring around the green",
shanking 6 chips in a row. He now putts from up to 20 yards off the
green. Funny how I only remember my good holes...

Henry

Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:22:43
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Peter Strauss wrote:
>
> Why wouldn't the pro shop remind people to play a provisional ball and
> play within the rules, rather than their illegitimate alternative?
> Or are they as ignorant of or disdainful of the rules as you seem to
> be?

Good question. I must ask that next time there.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 22:29:23
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 20:22:43 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Peter Strauss wrote:
>>
>> Why wouldn't the pro shop remind people to play a provisional ball and
>> play within the rules, rather than their illegitimate alternative?
>> Or are they as ignorant of or disdainful of the rules as you seem to
>> be?
>
>Good question. I must ask that next time there.

Probably just lazy.
___,
\o

Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:21:44
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Bobby Knight wrote:

> Touche, and game point!!!
> --

narh! you're NOT getting away from this one!

Where's the story of your worst hole?

Hmmmmm?

C'mon, old fart: you can't sneak away that easy
from another one like you!
:-^)

Date: 07 Oct 2006 22:28:51
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 20:21:44 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> Touche, and game point!!!
>> --
>
>
>narh! you're NOT getting away from this one!
>
>Where's the story of your worst hole?
>
>Hmmmmm?
>
>C'mon, old fart: you can't sneak away that easy
>from another one like you!
>:-^)

Too many from which to pick.
___,
\o

Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:18:38
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Peter Strauss wrote:

> Aha! You DO know!

I already said that a few posts ago.
Would help if you actually read....

> BTW: The topic is "Worst hole", not "most ill-managed course".

I described my worst hole. A 10.
To which you jumped on with rules crap.
Which one is off-topic? ah yes, me!
of course...

Weekend blues, Pewter?

Date: 07 Oct 2006 08:57:07
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee wrote:

>
> While that rule is illegal, my Men's club has a similar illegal rule
> (except for the club championship). It applies to lost balls, which
> we are only allowed to search for 1 minute - not for OB balls. It
> appears that your rule is also for lost balls - not for OB balls.

Well, that was a doubt, for me. I thought it might
have gone OB, the other guys said it didn't and that it
should be somewhere in the mid of all the leaf rubbish
behind the treeline, before the fence. Dunno. After looking
for it for a while, they suggested I take the 1s penalty.
So I did. In retrospect, I probably should have taken a
provisional on the T and go with it after applying the
due penalty?

Date: 08 Oct 2006 01:08:58
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 08:57:07 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> >
> > While that rule is illegal, my Men's club has a similar illegal rule
> > (except for the club championship). It applies to lost balls, which
> > we are only allowed to search for 1 minute - not for OB balls. It
> > appears that your rule is also for lost balls - not for OB balls.
>
> Well, that was a doubt, for me. I thought it might
> have gone OB, the other guys said it didn't and that it
> should be somewhere in the mid of all the leaf rubbish
> behind the treeline, before the fence. Dunno. After looking
> for it for a while, they suggested I take the 1s penalty.
> So I did. In retrospect, I probably should have taken a
> provisional on the T and go with it after applying the
> due penalty?

Aha! You DO know!
BTW: The topic is "Worst hole", not "most ill-managed course".

Date: 07 Oct 2006 08:51:45
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Bobby Knight wrote:

>
> Bullshit is still called.

indeed that's the name...

> The whole course is being repaired, and
> that's the reason to drop....or to speed up play.

I don't know, try asking the managers of the
course? They make the rules there, not me.

> Pick a good
> excuse.

I'd rather pick the rules, but then again
anything is fair game not to post your
worst memory?

Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:19:02
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 08:51:45 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>>
>> Bullshit is still called.
>
>indeed that's the name...
>
>> The whole course is being repaired, and
>> that's the reason to drop....or to speed up play.
>
>I don't know, try asking the managers of the
>course? They make the rules there, not me.
>
>> Pick a good
>> excuse.
>
>I'd rather pick the rules, but then again
>anything is fair game not to post your
>worst memory?

Touche, and game point!!!
--
___,
\o

Date: 08 Oct 2006 07:13:34
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

I remember a par 3 at the Univ. of Md. course which is pretty much a
scarp...a steep uphill slope.

I hit the green with my drive, ball stopping above the cup.

I touched the ball with my putter for the downhill putt: it rolled and
rolled and .........well off the green.

I putted uphill with intimidation fully embedded, hence came up quite short.

Next putt was with gusto and determination: plenty enough to get it there
but missed left. Now it's side/down-hill to the cup about 3 feet.

Missed on low side.

I MADE putt no. five.

which is to say, I play the same game as Tiger Woods. Hit the ball until
you get it into the cup, pick it out, tee it up on the next hole, etc., and
remember to write down the no. of shots. Get home, analyze your bad swings,
rinse and repeat (I love that "rinse" - never saw it before this am).

Date: 07 Oct 2006 14:44:09
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

In article <1160141159.270300.148830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >
"Ken" <lavrulr111@hotmail.com > wrote:

If you still remember it, perhaps you shouldn't. Nicklaus said he never
remembered a 3 putt on any tourney number 18 even though he had them and
he seems to know what he's talking about.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 05:57:09
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Bobby Knight wrote:

> the point is ... Horseshit Noons.

No, Bullshit Booby.

> didn't know the rule"? Better yet, scan a scorecard...ANY
> scorecard...that has a local rule eliminating the the rules quoted
> above.

Local rule on the board outside the golf shop:
"In the interest of speeding play, please don't
delay searching for a ball. Take a drop where last
seen and a 1s penalty. The course is undergoing repairs
and we apologize for the inconvenience" 1s means of
course: one shot. And this is NOT the same as GUR.

Funny enough, the folks I was with are the ones
who suggested I apply the one shot penalty, based
on the above.

But then again as usual, the arrogant pisshead
troll lot here, looking for nothing else than a motive to
start a war, go ahead and ignore my clear comment
on local rules.

Note that the subject is worst golf hole. Where is
yours? Ah yes, incapable of following a subject,
you're another of the trolls that never has a bad hole.
Why aren't you playing professionaly then?

Ah yes: no guts. Typical.

Have you managed to hit that rat's head at last?

Date: 08 Oct 2006 01:07:05
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Date: 07 Oct 2006 09:24:24
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 05:57:09 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> the point is ... Horseshit Noons.
>
>No, Bullshit Booby.
>
>> didn't know the rule"? Better yet, scan a scorecard...ANY
>> scorecard...that has a local rule eliminating the the rules quoted
>> above.
>
>Local rule on the board outside the golf shop:
>"In the interest of speeding play, please don't
>delay searching for a ball. Take a drop where last
>seen and a 1s penalty. The course is undergoing repairs
>and we apologize for the inconvenience" 1s means of
>course: one shot. And this is NOT the same as GUR.
>
>Funny enough, the folks I was with are the ones
>who suggested I apply the one shot penalty, based
>on the above.
>
>But then again as usual, the arrogant pisshead
>troll lot here, looking for nothing else than a motive to
>start a war, go ahead and ignore my clear comment
>on local rules.
>
>
>Note that the subject is worst golf hole. Where is
>yours? Ah yes, incapable of following a subject,
>you're another of the trolls that never has a bad hole.
>Why aren't you playing professionaly then?
>
>Ah yes: no guts. Typical.
>
>Have you managed to hit that rat's head at last?

Bullshit is still called. The whole course is being repaired, and
that's the reason to drop....or to speed up play. Pick a good
excuse.
--
___,
\o

Date: 07 Oct 2006 13:44:29
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 05:57:09 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Local rule on the board outside the golf shop:
>"In the interest of speeding play, please don't
>delay searching for a ball. Take a drop where last
>seen and a 1s penalty. The course is undergoing repairs
>and we apologize for the inconvenience" 1s means of
>course: one shot. And this is NOT the same as GUR.

While that rule is illegal, my Men's club has a similar illegal rule
(except for the club championship). It applies to lost balls, which
we are only allowed to search for 1 minute - not for OB balls. It
appears that your rule is also for lost balls - not for OB balls.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 09:25:57
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:44:29 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:

>On 7 Oct 2006 05:57:09 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Local rule on the board outside the golf shop:
>>"In the interest of speeding play, please don't
>>delay searching for a ball. Take a drop where last
>>seen and a 1s penalty. The course is undergoing repairs
>>and we apologize for the inconvenience" 1s means of
>>course: one shot. And this is NOT the same as GUR.
>
>While that rule is illegal, my Men's club has a similar illegal rule
>(except for the club championship). It applies to lost balls, which
>we are only allowed to search for 1 minute - not for OB balls. It
>appears that your rule is also for lost balls - not for OB balls.

He'll thilnk of another excuse soon Howard.
--
___,
\o

Date: 07 Oct 2006 03:54:56
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Peter Strauss wrote:

> >
> > Actually, add two penalty strokes for dropping and playing a ball in this
> > manner.
> >
> > Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
> > If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
> > penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
> > original ball was last played.

Yes, I am aware of that. But you don't know the local rules
of that golf course, do you?

> Actually, DQ unless corrected before teeing off at the next hole,
> because of this being a serious breach, i.e. gaining significant
> advantage by virtue of effectively shortening the hole.

Like I said: you don't know the local rules. And not
ALL golf outings are under the American Pro Tour rules.
But then again, that's not the point is it?

Date: 08 Oct 2006 01:05:10
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 03:54:56 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

> Peter Strauss wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Actually, add two penalty strokes for dropping and playing a ball in this
> > > manner.
> > >
> > > Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
> > > If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
> > > penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
> > > original ball was last played.
>
> Yes, I am aware of that. But you don't know the local rules
> of that golf course, do you?

Oh, it has local rules that aren't permitted by Rule 33-8?
Hell, a course can do whatever it wants, I suppose. So what?
Golf is a game of Rules, isn't it?
Do whatever you wish. Just don't act, please, like it's "legal".
T'ain't.

>
> > Actually, DQ unless corrected before teeing off at the next hole,
> > because of this being a serious breach, i.e. gaining significant
> > advantage by virtue of effectively shortening the hole.
>
> Like I said: you don't know the local rules. And not
> ALL golf outings are under the American Pro Tour rules.
What are those? I'm referrring to R&A/USGA Rules of Golf.
Familiar with those? Oh. Try reading them sometime.

> But then again, that's not the point is it?
What was your point? That because some course permits a breach of the
Rules, it's OK?

Date: 07 Oct 2006 13:42:23
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 03:54:56 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>> > Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
>> > If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
>> > penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
>> > original ball was last played.
>
>Yes, I am aware of that. But you don't know the local rules
>of that golf course, do you?

Can local rules override this rule?

>> Actually, DQ unless corrected before teeing off at the next hole,
>> because of this being a serious breach, i.e. gaining significant
>> advantage by virtue of effectively shortening the hole.
>
>Like I said: you don't know the local rules. And not
>ALL golf outings are under the American Pro Tour rules.
>But then again, that's not the point is it?

What are "the American Pro Tour rules"? How do they effect Rule
27-1?

Sure, there are games other than RoG golf played on the golf course.
Scramble is a familiar example. But the assumption is that we are
playing golf - by the standard published rules. When another game is
being played, those rules should be detailed.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 06:18:17
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 7 Oct 2006 03:54:56 -0700, "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote:

>Peter Strauss wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Actually, add two penalty strokes for dropping and playing a ball in this
>> > manner.
>> >
>> > Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
>> > If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
>> > penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
>> > original ball was last played.
>
>Yes, I am aware of that. But you don't know the local rules
>of that golf course, do you?
>
>> Actually, DQ unless corrected before teeing off at the next hole,
>> because of this being a serious breach, i.e. gaining significant
>> advantage by virtue of effectively shortening the hole.
>
>Like I said: you don't know the local rules. And not
>ALL golf outings are under the American Pro Tour rules.
>But then again, that's not the point is it?

the point is ... Horseshit Noons. That isn't an American Pro Tour
rule, it's covered by the Royal & Ancient and the USGA...both amateur
organizations...and the only two recognized by the golfing world to
establish rules for golf.

Why not just say "in order to save time", or "I screwed up", or "I
didn't know the rule"? Better yet, scan a scorecard...ANY
scorecard...that has a local rule eliminating the the rules quoted
above.

Won't happen..
--
___,
\o

Date: 07 Oct 2006 06:22:55
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

"Ken" <lavrulr111@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1160141159.270300.148830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

A lot of the answers have been about course design instead of worse played
holes, which is how I interpret the question. In the course design
category, most players seem to have problems with holes that are in their
opinion unfairly difficult. From a design standpoint, I'd say the worse
holes are the boring ones: flat & straight 390 yds with no trouble left or
right, fairway bunkers about 40 yards in front of the landing zone, green
protection that only matters on really badly hit approaches. No really
challenging putts to be found. BORING. I almost always enjoy the most
difficult holes on a course the most, assuming they're not difficult only
because of distance. Knee-knocker shots are what the game is all about,
IMO.

As far as worst hole played is concerned, mine was recently on one of the
more challenging holes of the course being played (for the record, #8 on
Lakes course, Firewheel GC). Fairly short Par 5 that is all about the
first two shots. Water on both sides in play for the first 350 yards or so.
Slight dogleg left at the landing area, so someone with a nice slight draw
off the tee will not be as scared as me with my persistent fade. Optimal
non-draw drive requires a carry of about 210 yds over the water left (not
too far left or the carry rapidly becomes more like 250), but a 260 yd
straight drive that avoids the left hazard will be too long and into the
water right it shall go. This is one of my favorite tee shots in terms of
the Beauty of the Game. A gutsy but well-executed shot will be rewarded
nicely. A gutsy shot badly executed will be punished harshly (drop left is
only 150 yards downstream). Playing 'safe' to the right may be st, but
still presents problems (full driver too much, not enough puts you in
distance trouble with a tough shot.)

Well executed drive (or not so well-executed) presents the 2nd shot problem
of having to play a fade into the green with woods to the right (notice that
the optimal route is a draw off the tee followed by a faded fairway wood
into the green. Draw does not work well into the green. You have to have
all the shots on this one to ring the bell.) Layup is still problematic,
because a shot in the fairway but to the right puts the grove of trees in
between you and the green. You'll still have 130 yds in to an elevated
green with sand in front, but will require SW trajectory to clear the trees.
Add one stroke if you're st, 3 if you're not. 2nd shot left is wet.
From there it's apple pie, if you've still got your head in the game.

My play was: tense up on the tee and hit the drive into the water left.
[lie 2] Tense up even more because of the bad tee shot and pop a 3-wood
into the hazard again, which 'luckily' went past the water, over the
fairway, and back into the water about 100 yds downstream [lie 4 250 yds
into the hole with 230 to go]. Pull a 3 wood into the water, but this time
crossing the boundary about 10 yds downstream [lie 6 260 yds in with 220 to
go). Wise-up and lay up with a 8 iron. But by now I'm really rattled, and
the 'safe shot' is a fatted abortion that push-slices right behind the
grove. Lie 7 without a hope in hell. Hit a AW with my fingers crossed.
Iffy, but the st money is on a lost ball. If I find it, I'll be in jail
lying 8. If I don't I'm still screwed behind the grove lying 8. I try to
punch a provisional back into LOS of the green, but now my head is really
not in the game. Punch shot is too hard and back into the hazard left. If
the provisional stands, I'll lie 10 with an easy wedge in.

Can't find the ball, and do something I've never done before. Tell myself
that 12 friggin strokes is too much to bear, enter 'whatever' on the
scorecard and pick it up.

Yikes!

Scott

Date: 06 Oct 2006 21:12:23
From: Steve
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Date: 06 Oct 2006 21:16:26
From: Steve
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

> Tyee Valley just south of SeaTac airport in Seattle. Pick a hole, any
> hole. AKA SeaTac C.C. or Thunder Valley. When I say just south of SeaTac
> airport, I mean the landing light towers run the length of the course. I
> mean if you are standing on the 9th tee and for whatever reason want to
> hit a shot to the 14th tee, you would have to hit over a runway. Every
> tow minutes a very large commercial jetliner is either landing or taking
> off right over your head. It is the only course I have ever used the
> phrase "someone should weed this green".
>
> Absolute true story... Last time I played it, and it will be the last time
> I play it, about 10 years ago, I had an 8:30 Sunday morning tee time,
> really nice spring day. Got to the course about half an hour early, went
> to the pro shop. Told them we had an 8:30 time and they said "you are
> up". Absolutely nobody else there. Putted for about 15 minutes. Went to
> the first tee with my playing partner. Getting ready to tee off and a
> single walks up and say "the guy in the pro shop wants me to play with you
> two".
>

Should have added... many, many years ago, took a 15 at Tyee Valley's very
short par 5 14th. Two OB off of the tee and it went downhill from there.
Must have been the planes.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 17:52:17
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

This was in a Ryder Cup type match against another club. Our very
first one.

My partner and I took a 12 on a par 5 playing alternate shot. Started
out with me hitting into a pond. Partner drops in the rough (it's all
thick rough) and proceeds to hit his ball into the pond. I drop in the
same rough and hit into the pond. He finally gets one over into the
rough on the other side of the pond. I hit a bad shot, he hit a bad
shot and we *almost* conceded the hole lying 9 about 150 out but
decided to wait a couple of more shots from the other guys. They
proceeded to hit into a ditch and lost a ball, then hit one into the
woods and lost another and finally ended up just on the green in 9.
They hit the putt without pulling the flag and the ball hit the stick
and stopped an inch away. They were sure it was a 2 stroke penalty
halving the hole with us. We weren't sure and didn't argue but found
out later that in match play they lost the hole. The 4 of us still
laugh about that freaking hole!

As bad as we played on that hole, my partner and I still accounted for
3 1/2 points and our club won the cup! :-)

Bryan

Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:33:06
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:30:32
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 06:25:59 -0700, "Ken" <lavrulr111@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> >definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> >have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> >circumstances, that caused it to happen.
>
> Probably the one where I got a heart attack. My score was normal,
> for the hole, but it slowed down my rate of improvement tremendously.

You're a load of laughs, Howard.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 12:52:28
From: Scooter
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 10:07:21 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> I wonder what percentage of the time I would make that shot and what
> >> percentage of the time I would fail (especially at sea level). It
> >> might be a good gamble against someone better than me - but a bad
> >> gamble against someone worst than me.
> >
> >I have yet to make it. I always try. It's a Charlie Brown shot for me!
>
> One thing I like about Winter ball, with my handicap dormant, I can
> try out shots like that in my practice rounds. It only costs a ball,
> which is cheap if I learn some wisdom.

Howard, I've heard you say stuff like that quite a bit, but I think
you're taking the post all rounds idea a bit too far. If you play a
round during handicap season with the intention of it being truly
practice instead of trying to shoot the best score you're capable of, I
don't the the handicap police will come after you if you don't post the
score.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 05:28:13
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

"Scooter" <scooter060197@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1160164348.417966.160900@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On 6 Oct 2006 10:07:21 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> I wonder what percentage of the time I would make that shot and what
>> >> percentage of the time I would fail (especially at sea level). It
>> >> might be a good gamble against someone better than me - but a bad
>> >> gamble against someone worst than me.
>> >
>> >I have yet to make it. I always try. It's a Charlie Brown shot for me!
>>
>> One thing I like about Winter ball, with my handicap dormant, I can
>> try out shots like that in my practice rounds. It only costs a ball,
>> which is cheap if I learn some wisdom.
>
> Howard, I've heard you say stuff like that quite a bit, but I think
> you're taking the post all rounds idea a bit too far. If you play a
> round during handicap season with the intention of it being truly
> practice instead of trying to shoot the best score you're capable of, I
> don't the the handicap police will come after you if you don't post the
> score.

I'll go even farther. So far as I can tell, the philosophy behind the
handicap system is to allow unequal golfers to compete in a meaningful way.
It is not meant to indicate how good a golfer someone is. If it were, then
average differentials for 20 rounds would be used instead of average of best
10 (not to mention the 0.96 multiplier, which is meant to reward excellent
golfers _in competition_ agianst so-so golfers.).

So, if someone manipulates the system to get their handicap lower by shaving
strokes here and there (rules-wise), or worse yet doesn't post a score
because it looks ugly, the system doesn't care. Maybe their friends do,
when they brag about their single-digit handicap. But the system isn't
designed to impress your golfing buddies. In light of the purpose of the
handicap system, manipulating your index to bring it down would be like
shooting yourself in the foot. I don't know Howard at all, so if he does
something like this it's a revelation to me. I only mean to say that if he
does so hypothetically, he's not at all violating the spirit of the law,
whose guiding principle is to avoid unfair advantage in competition.

Almost all the rules concerning handicaps are designed to prevent
sandbagging. If someone wants the low handicap more than the strokes in a
tournament, then the USGA doesn't appear to care much. If that were not
the case, there would be an anti-ESC mechanism: only so many birdies for
10+ handicappers, etc.

So if you want to do something risque during the summer, try the Charlie
Brown shot anyway. If it turns out badly, like they almost always do, take
a mulligan and play it straight up from there. Post the score. As far as
the USGA is concerned, this would be a hanging offense during competitive
play. But during a recreational round it would only hurt you from a
handicap standpoint. Because the philosophy can be summed up as:
artificially high handicap = advantage for the player in competition;
artificially low handicap = a player who doesn't want to win the club
championship, so who I'm I to make him one!

Scott

Date: 07 Oct 2006 13:38:27
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:28:13 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com >
wrote:

>So if you want to do something risque during the summer, try the Charlie
>Brown shot anyway. If it turns out badly, like they almost always do, take
>a mulligan and play it straight up from there. Post the score.

When I take a shot at the hard hole's tips, the rule I'm breaking is
that of taking practice strokes, as I never have any intention of
counting it - even if it is a perfect shot.

The main reason I don't do it during the summer is because the course
is crowded and taking that extra shot slows things down.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 14:30:08
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 12:52:28 -0700, "Scooter" <scooter060197@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>> One thing I like about Winter ball, with my handicap dormant, I can
>> try out shots like that in my practice rounds. It only costs a ball,
>> which is cheap if I learn some wisdom.
>
>Howard, I've heard you say stuff like that quite a bit, but I think
>you're taking the post all rounds idea a bit too far. If you play a
>round during handicap season with the intention of it being truly
>practice instead of trying to shoot the best score you're capable of, I
>don't the the handicap police will come after you if you don't post the
>score.

That's true - but it's not quite so certain when I decide to play a
normal round - except when I get to the 15th, I waste a ball from the
tips before I play my regular tee.

The main reason I don't play practice rounds in the summer is because
the course is too crowded.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 12:44:16
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Earlier this year, I sunk a snakey downhill 20-footer to save my 13 on
the 14th hole at Suncadia.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 13:53:32
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Earlier this year I DQ'd myself when I got in the native and couldn't
get out without taking stroke and distance (which I was unwilling to
do with people behind me). I took about 5 shots before picking up
my ball.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 15:33:47
From: Loudon Briggs
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote:

>Earlier this year I DQ'd myself when I got in the native and couldn't
>get out without taking stroke and distance (which I was unwilling to
>do with people behind me). I took about 5 shots before picking up
>my ball.

Imagine playing the worst hole of golf... twice in the same day. The
hole wasn't the worst, my play was.

When I was about 16, maaaany years ago, I played in the morning with
friends and four putted a hole. Went home for lunch and confessed to
my mentor, my grandfather. He and I went out afterward and played the
same course. Believe it or not, I four putted the same hole. He never
let me forget that day, not that I needed a reminder.

--

Loudon R. Briggs larebe@bbz.net Phoenix, AZ

"How Can You Not Like A Game Where It's Okay To
Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies,
and If You're Under Par It's A Great Day!"

(from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves -- used with permission)

Date: 06 Oct 2006 10:07:21
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 07:54:25 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >If you are playiong a guy who can drive the ball 230+, you have
> >virtually no chance to win the hole! Otherwise, it's just an ordeal to
> >get through.
>
> However if you are playing a guy who only *thinks* he can drive the
> ball 230+ yards, you have an excellent chance!!

That's a good point!

>
> I wonder what percentage of the time I would make that shot and what
> percentage of the time I would fail (especially at sea level). It
> might be a good gamble against someone better than me - but a bad
> gamble against someone worst than me.

I have yet to make it. I always try. It's a Charlie Brown shot for me!

Date: 06 Oct 2006 12:05:40
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 10:07:21 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>> I wonder what percentage of the time I would make that shot and what
>> percentage of the time I would fail (especially at sea level). It
>> might be a good gamble against someone better than me - but a bad
>> gamble against someone worst than me.
>
>I have yet to make it. I always try. It's a Charlie Brown shot for me!

One thing I like about Winter ball, with my handicap dormant, I can
try out shots like that in my practice rounds. It only costs a ball,
which is cheap if I learn some wisdom.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 08:04:44
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

I played with a guy who scored a 24 on one hole at the TPC-Sawgrass
course.
And it wasn't even the island green 17th. It was the par-4 5th, which
had a tiny stream running down the right side. He couldn't keep out of
the damn thing. Ball after ball went into the creek. After he finally
got it past the hazard up near the green I asked him, "Do you have any
idea how many strokes you've taken so far?" He said, "Nine balls in
the water and two others .... how many is that?"

After he finally holed out for his 24 I told him, "Good thing you made
that 6-footer. Otherwise, you could've shot something really high."
He also had double digits on the par-5 9th hole and finished the 9
holes (mercifully, we just played 9 that day) with a 75.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:54:25
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 07:30:52 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >These kinds of holes take the fun out of the game for me. The
> >Fazio/Pate thing is the worst kind of hole I play. I instantly dislike
> >any course that has one.
>
> I imagine that kind of hole would be better in match play, where you
> learn right away whether you made the right decision, and if not,
> you're just down a hole.

If you are playiong a guy who can drive the ball 230+, you have
virtually no chance to win the hole! Otherwise, it's just an ordeal to
get through.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 09:03:13
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 07:54:25 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>If you are playiong a guy who can drive the ball 230+, you have
>virtually no chance to win the hole! Otherwise, it's just an ordeal to
>get through.

However if you are playing a guy who only *thinks* he can drive the
ball 230+ yards, you have an excellent chance!!

I wonder what percentage of the time I would make that shot and what
percentage of the time I would fail (especially at sea level). It
might be a good gamble against someone better than me - but a bad
gamble against someone worst than me.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:43:19
From: RockPile
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Oct 6, 9:25 am, "Ken" <lavrulr...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Ballybunion Old Course #13, pulled an approach shot way left on to a
heathery hill that only a mountain goat could love. I am tryin to keep
from falling while trying to hack out of some calf-high gnarly rough.
Took two swipes, then tried an unplayable drop, hacked some more with
my caddie standing there counting ("six, seven, eight"). I finally got
down near the green in 9, shanked the 40 yard pitch chip into the
Atlantic Ocean, then dropeed and got up and down for a smooth 13!

RockPile

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:37:08
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Hmmm, that would have to be Harris Park back 9 in Sydney.
#14, short par 4. Trees on the left plus OOB. Blocked the driver
to the trees.

Instead of taking a provisional and looking for the ball, I went
looking.

Didn't find it. Way OOB.

Dropped a new ball where I last saw the original, lined up with
the OOB. Then of course hit a tree branch to get it to the middle
of the fairway. So it ended up anywhere else but.

That's 3 and I'm only 50 yards or so from the T....

Then went in with the 5 wood to get it to the green. But a magpie
decided to dive-bomb me during the swing. It's Spring here and
they object to golfers hitting their "eggs". That was waaaay short.

4.

Then a 5 iron: it went over the green now, totally pissed off and hit
it too strong. Straight into more trees. So straight in fact I had
to take a drop shot to get it out of a tree root. Had to shoo another
magpie: being in the trees is lethal around here during Spring...

That's 7 now.

Lob to the green, then 2-put.

10 in all.

I was glad when we moved to the 15...

Date: 06 Oct 2006 17:02:28
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

"Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au > wrote in message
news:1160145428.468021.224410@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dropped a new ball where I last saw the original, lined up with
> the OOB.

Actually, add two penalty strokes for dropping and playing a ball in this
manner.

Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
original ball was last played.

Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:00:49
From: Noons
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Bobby Knight wrote:

> Too many from which to pick.

shewt! You're just like me.
I was lucky I could *remember*
this one...
;-)

Date: 06 Oct 2006 20:20:48
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:02:28 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote:

>
> "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1160145428.468021.224410@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Dropped a new ball where I last saw the original, lined up with
> > the OOB.
>
> Actually, add two penalty strokes for dropping and playing a ball in this
> manner.
>
> Rule 27-1 Ball Lost or Out of Bounds
> If a ball is lost or is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under
> penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the
> original ball was last played.
>
Actually, DQ unless corrected before teeing off at the next hole,
because of this being a serious breach, i.e. gaining significant
advantage by virtue of effectively shortening the hole.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:30:52
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Fazio and or Pate courses that I have played have a hole that is a par
4, dogleg left. It has a 200-220 yard carry from the regular men's tees
down the left and center and bailout to the right offf the tee shot. If
you can't make the carry, it's a tough par 5. If you can it's an easy
par 4. Limestone Springs has the added feature of a bunker just on the
other side of the carry. I don't know who came up with this abominable
hole design, but it is impossible for me, and most other (like 90%)
regular men type golfers.

Next worse is the RTJ "feature" of a bunker with a raised lip on the
far side, that requires about a 230 or so yard carry off the regular
mens tees. Layup in front of the bunker is 180 at the most, and the
hole is usually a > 400 yard par 4. Not absolutely impossible, but just
plain not fun, stump dumb.

Regular mens tees in both caes are the #3 tees (of 5, like the organge
at RTJ's).

These kinds of holes take the fun out of the game for me. The
Fazio/Pate thing is the worst kind of hole I play. I instantly dislike
any course that has one.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 08:35:21
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 07:30:52 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>These kinds of holes take the fun out of the game for me. The
>Fazio/Pate thing is the worst kind of hole I play. I instantly dislike
>any course that has one.

I imagine that kind of hole would be better in match play, where you
learn right away whether you made the right decision, and if not,
you're just down a hole.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:14:21
From: Tex
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

Ken wrote:
> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
> circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Bandon Trails #14: 325 yards, par 4

Downhill tee shot to a fairway with a 20' (?) left hand side, otherwise
it's a left to right drop that collect all balls to the base of the
hill. Small, thin green that was positioned to only receive balls from
the left hand side, bunkers surrounding the green and to top it off, 3
sides of the green are crowned so balls just off roll 20-30ft off...

And then, to make it even worse, the tee is the highest point on the
entire property...they've already had one heart attack from a golfer
walking up the hill from #13 green (100 ft climb? over 200 yds ?).

Tex

Date: 06 Oct 2006 10:48:59
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 07:14:21 -0700, "Tex" <ktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

>Ken wrote:
>> What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
>> definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
>> have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
>> circumstances, that caused it to happen.
>
>Bandon Trails #14: 325 yards, par 4
>
>Downhill tee shot to a fairway with a 20' (?) left hand side, otherwise
>it's a left to right drop that collect all balls to the base of the
>hill. Small, thin green that was positioned to only receive balls from
>the left hand side, bunkers surrounding the green and to top it off, 3
>sides of the green are crowned so balls just off roll 20-30ft off...
>
>And then, to make it even worse, the tee is the highest point on the
>entire property...they've already had one heart attack from a golfer
>walking up the hill from #13 green (100 ft climb? over 200 yds ?).
>
>Tex

I'll agree with you on that one.
--

jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 06 Oct 2006 13:13:42
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

>>
>>Bandon Trails #14: 325 yards, par 4
>>
You guys haven't played enough bad courses!

A couple of my candidates include:

4th hole at what used to be Blackhawk GC in St Charles IL (it went private 2
years ago under a different name). 560 yard par 5 where the first 400 yards
are to a narrow crowned fairway running between a roadside ditch on the left
and what we called "the sucking pond" on the right. The pond was way below
the fairway ked as a lateral so that any drop would give you a severe
sidehill lie (after you dropped two that bounced into the pond and placed
the third), from where it's almost impossible not to whack another into the
pond. Oh, and the last 150 was carry over another pond.

8th hole at Aldeen GC (Rockford IL)-- island green, 188 off the blue tees
into the prevailing wind. The green is smaller than the 17th at Sawgrass.
the only thing that saves it is a drop area on the island. This one has a
pedigreed designer, Dick Nugent, who designed Kemper lakes, but this hole is
a dud, at least for a public muni.

11th at The Oak club Club of Genoa (IL) This was a nice short par 4 that was
rebuilt (along with 11) to accomodate a condo development. It's about 380
now, but the problem is there is only about 30 yards between the OB stakes
on both sides in the usual landing area. As a result they usually put the
tees way up to keep the broken window count down.

That 14th on the trails sucked to play, but the view from that tee was one
of the best at the resort, and even the worst hole at Bandon beat the heck
out of a lot of pricier courses I've played with artificial topography and
artificial shes and OB everywhere.

--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
"

Date: 06 Oct 2006 07:39:24
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?

On 6 Oct 2006 06:25:59 -0700, "Ken" <lavrulr111@hotmail.com > wrote:

>What's so far been the most disastrous or worst (whatever your
>definition of that is) golf hole's that you've played (or that you may
>have seen someone else play) and what were the humorous or serious
>circumstances, that caused it to happen.

Probably the one where I got a heart attack. My score was normal,
for the hole, but it slowed down my rate of improvement tremendously.

Date: 06 Oct 2006 13:39:36
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: What's so far been the worst golf hole you've played ?