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Date: 21 Sep 2006 12:54:53
From: Larry Bud
Subject: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
take the WORST and see what it is.
I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
9.2.
I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
have been in the past.
Anyone else do this?
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 10:08:58
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> take the WORST and see what it is.
I think that's how they do it for the Ams at the Pebble Beach Pro-Am.
I can remember when San Diego Chargers President, Dean Spanos, won both
the Bob Hope and Pebble pro-ams in the same year. He's the all-time
biggest sandbagger in pro-am history.
Here's what it says on the Chargers web page:
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Dean's busy career in business and the National Football League hasn't
hampered his status as one of the nation's most successful amateur
golfers. An avid golfer since his college years, he has been on the
winning team in five Pro-Am tournaments, including back-to-back wins in
1990 at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic and the AT&T National Pro-Am at
Pebble Beach with partner Hubert Green. He successfully defended his
title at the Hope Classic in 1991. Spanos and Green also won the Bing
Crosby Pro-Am at Pebble Beach in 1985, where Dean was awarded the "Most
Valuable Amateur" trophy for supplying the most help to his
professional partner. His first win came in the 1985 Senior Players
Reunion Pro-Am in Dallas, teaming with Billy Casper.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:48:56
From: dsc
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Roald Oines wrote:
> > Current index 8.4, trending 9.0, reverse handicap trend 16.8. Ugh, some
> > real stinkers in there.
> >
> > FWIW, the pope of slope suggests using this to find a good better ball
> > partner, he calls it the "anti-handicap". See
> > http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/anti.html
>
> Crap! I thought I thought of something new!
I thought you had too... but I had fogotten about reading that before.
:)
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 08:32:21
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Roald Oines wrote:
> Current index 8.4, trending 9.0, reverse handicap trend 16.8. Ugh, some
> real stinkers in there.
>
> FWIW, the pope of slope suggests using this to find a good better ball
> partner, he calls it the "anti-handicap". See
> http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/anti.html
Crap! I thought I thought of something new!
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 19:09:40
From: Roald Oines
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Current index 8.4, trending 9.0, reverse handicap trend 16.8. Ugh, some
real stinkers in there.
FWIW, the pope of slope suggests using this to find a good better ball
partner, he calls it the "anti-handicap". See
http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/anti.html
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:38:56
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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I just played in a Chicago quota tournament - I made my quota, got a
prize - but raised my handicap. Very inconsistent round.
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 20:24:38
From: Bob Cotter
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Current index 19.5
Current home handicap off the tees I usually play ... 19
Reverse index 25.4
Cheers... Bob
--
If replying by email, please remove the removes.
Visit my home course at <http://www.sunshinecoastgolf.com >
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 07:07:56
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Big_Fan wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> > a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> > handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> > take the WORST and see what it is.
> >
> > I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
> > really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
> > Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
> > 9.2.
> >
> > I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
> > pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
> > around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
> > 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
> > still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> > have been in the past.
> >
> > Anyone else do this?
>
> No, but it's a good idea. 1.8 for one, 6.1 for the other. Over three
> times worse!
Easy to be 3x worse when you're only a 1.8! I think total # of
strokes is more telling.
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 06:36:05
From: dsc
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Here's what I came up with for my scores as of a month or so ago..
Haven't done the up to date one yet.
9.9/14.9 with average esc adjusted scores of 80.5/85.9
I think this is one of the most interesting ideas in RMD in quite some
time... :)
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 12:46:16
From: Kenny Stultz
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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In article <1158868493.540115.304610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
larrybud2002@yahoo.com says...
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>
>Anyone else do this?
>
Currently, 13.9/18.5. I guess I just suck all the time.
Kenny
--
Kenny Stultz - Troll and SPAM intolerant
"Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can
earn one a reputation for bad sportsmanship"
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 22:07:28
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Kenny Stultz wrote:
> In article <1158868493.540115.304610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> larrybud2002@yahoo.com says...
>
>> Anyone else do this?
>>
>
> Currently, 13.9/18.5. I guess I just suck all the time.
Is that with or with out those same length clubs?
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 05:58:12
From: Buford Ressup
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:54:53 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:
> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together a
> function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse" handicap.
> IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll take the WORST
> and see what it is.
>
> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not really
> better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better. Turns out I
> am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was 9.2.
>
> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went pretty
> close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was around a 5,
> but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a 3.9/9.1 combo at one
> time, which tells me that I could go low, but still had several bad
> rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
Interesting idea! I've never thought of doing this. Mine is 11.0/14.0.
Not nearly as much spread as I was expecting. I thought my bad handicap
would be closer to 20, because when I stink up the place I don't play
around. But it's only three strokes worse than my good handicap.
I'm thinking that a close differential, like mine of 3.0, means that
you're stuck in a rut. No real progress is being made, no great rounds to
speak of, but no horrible ones, either. And now that I think about it,
that's how my game has felt, recently. I've hit a wall that I won't get
past until I learn how to hit my irons.
Thanks for this post. Very interesting.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 17:54:15
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158868493.540115.304610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> take the WORST and see what it is.
>
> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
> really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
> Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
> 9.2.
>
> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
> pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
> around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
> 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
> still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
>
Index: 8.7, Reverse Index: 14.7
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 19:30:05
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Rude Dog wrote:
(snip)
>> Anyone else do this?
>>
>
> Index: 8.7, Reverse Index: 14.7
>
>
the only time your RI is 14.7 is when you play golf with me
:)
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 09:22:40
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
news:IUHQg.99$R%1.90@newsfe05.lga...
> Rude Dog wrote:
> (snip)
>>> Anyone else do this?
>>>
>>
>> Index: 8.7, Reverse Index: 14.7
>
> the only time your RI is 14.7 is when you play golf with me
> :)
The only time I played with you our total score was better than I would've
shot myself! Besides, I was playing pretty well at RSG-NW. My last 4 rounds
are: 97, 83, 78, 95. Talk about steady ... NOT!
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 00:38:00
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158868493.540115.304610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> take the WORST and see what it is.
>
> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
> really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
> Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
> 9.2.
>
> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
> pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
> around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
> 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
> still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
>
I don't do this regularly, but it was pretty easy to pull out in my case.
Over the past two years my index has varied between 5.0 and 7.6. During this
same time period my reverse index varied between 9.0 and 12.5. The
difference between the indexes at any point in time varied between 3.0 and
5.7. Interestingly, the whole thing looks kind of like a sine wave, gently
moving up and down fundamentally in unison - and going nowhere.
dave
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 23:17:45
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Not sure I'd want to bother on a regular basis (and I didn't go back to
last year) ... but just as a point of reference, I'm currently at 9.2
and based on my worst 20 scores it would be 16.6. Not bad for me ...
still better than bogey (barely) and it includes couple of 92s (yuck)
shot on vacation at a fairly tough mountain course.
Rob
Larry Bud wrote:
> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> take the WORST and see what it is.
>
> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
> really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
> Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
> 9.2.
>
> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
> pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
> around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
> 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
> still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 00:12:06
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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My handicap goes up by 8.9 strokes if I do that.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 14:21:35
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
> take the WORST and see what it is.
>
> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
> really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
> Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
> 9.2.
>
> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
> pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
> around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
> 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
> still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
No, but it's a good idea. 1.8 for one, 6.1 for the other. Over three
times worse!
Of course one very bad score can make for a pretty high reverse
handicap. A good score can only go so low....
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 20:33:31
From: gary hayenga
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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On 2006-09-21 17:21:35 -0400, "Big_Fan" <bigpufan@aol.com > said:
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> Larry Bud wrote:
>> I started thinking about another measure of progress and threw together
>> a function in my handicap spreadsheet to calculate my "reverse"
>> handicap. IOW, instead of taking my BEST 10 of 20 differentials, I'll
>> take the WORST and see what it is.
>>
>> I'm currently a 4.5 index (my "good" handicap") and while it's not
>> really better than last year, it sure feels like I'm playing better.
>> Turns out I am. My "Bad" handicap is only 8.2, while last year it was
>> 9.2.
>>
>> I looked back over the last 2 or 3 years when my good handicap went
>> pretty close to what it is now, and I had several times when I was
>> around a 5, but my "bad" handicap was 10 or 11. In fact, I had a
>> 3.9/9.1 combo at one time, which tells me that I could go low, but
>> still had several bad rounds. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
>> have been in the past.
>>
>> Anyone else do this?
>
> No, but it's a good idea. 1.8 for one, 6.1 for the other. Over three
> times worse!
>
> Of course one very bad score can make for a pretty high reverse
> handicap. A good score can only go so low....
Interesting idea.
9.1 using the 10 best.
15.0 using the 10 worst.
Of course Equitable Stroke Control prevented the a lot of the bad ones
from being *really* bad.
Come to think of it, Equitable Stroke Control is what made a lot of the
good ones good instead of bad.
gary hayenga
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 20:17:35
From: uncle k
Subject: Re: What's Your Reverse Handicap?
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
>................................. IOW, I'm much more consistent than I
> have been in the past.
>
> Anyone else do this?
Not any more. Besides, what fun would golf be without massive train wrecks?
Unc
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