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Date: 18 Sep 2006 11:35:57
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Subject: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

I started posting this as a response under the silly Anna Kournikova
thread but didn't want it to get lost there. I wanted to compare
Michelle Wie's performance as a 16-year old versus 16-year old boys who
have played on the PGA Tour. However, there are only two to my
knowledge.

1. Tiger Woods:
Age 16: Nissan Open -- finished +5 (missed cut) *** youngest ever to
take part in a PGA tour tournament at the time ***
Age 17: Nissan Open -- finished +10 (missed cut)
Age 17: Honda Classic -- finished +6 (missed cut)
Age 17: GTE Byron Nelson -- finished +9 (missed cut)
Age 18: Nestle Invitational -- finished +13 (shot 80-77, missed cut)
Age 18: Buick Classic -- finished +3 (withdrew after two rounds, not
sure if cut was made)
Age 18: Western Open -- finished +5 (missed cut)
Age 19: The Masters -- finished +5 (T41) *** Note: First cut made at
Age 19 ***
Age 19: US Open -- finished +19 (74-85, missed cut)
Age 19: Western Open -- +3 (T57) *** First cut on a regular PGA tour
tournament

2. Ty Tryon:
Age 16: Honda Classic -- finished -10 (T39)
Age 16: B.C. Open -- finished -9 (T37)
Age 17: Michelob Championship at Kingsmill -- finished +6 (missed cut)

(Then turned professional and proceeded to make about 20% of cuts over
the next 2-3 years before fading)

It is interesting that of Tiger, Ty, and Michelle, Ty Tryon actually
had the most success at age 16. By some accounts, he had a
lackadaisical approach to practicing (but I can't claim this to be true
without knowing from the inside), and is now struggling to make cuts on
the Asian Tour. Note that in the tournament in Korea in which Wie did
make the cut, Tryon was 17 shots behind Michelle's score! Ouch.
Meanwhile, Tiger made his first PGA cut at age 19 after several
attempts.

Of note, Tiger credits a lot of his success to having gone to college
and gotten excellent coaching there. Tryon, meanwhile, did not go to
college.

So, back to Michelle. Should she give up playing with the men? Well,
that's not our choice, is it? But my opinion is that she should be
more selective. If it were up to me, I'd have her play the Sony Open,
maybe the Colonial, and maybe the John Deere (my assumption being that
her poor John Deere performance this year was because she was playing
terribly, not because she was overmatched by the course). Obviously
she should stay away from the longer courses. After high school, she
plans on college (she has said Stanford many times), but because she
has already turned pro, she won't have the benefit of competing on a
college team and of having a coaching staff. On the other hand, she
will likely be able to play more regularly on the LPGA at that time,
and I'm sure her handlers will bring in the best training staff that
money can buy.

So, what's next? Is she a has-been? People have to grow into their
golf game, just like Tiger did (and Tryon didn't). The fact that she
could beat dozens of PGA professionals at age 15 is rekable. The
fact that she couldn't at age 16 shows that she still has a lot to work
on in her game. I just think it's unfair to say that a 16-year old
(girl or boy) is all washed up because they had two lousy tournaments.

I think Michelle plays two more tournaments this year -- LPGA's Samsung
(where she finished 4th but was then DQed last year) and Japan's
"men's" Casio Open (where she bogeyed the last two holes last year to
finish 1 shot outside of the cut). Since she has room to improve in
both, let's just see how she does.

Regards

Date: 21 Sep 2006 02:00:43
From: Jack Thompson
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> Maybe there are so many questions and so many of us think this is an
> important question, someone from Michelle Wie's management company should
> answer about why she hasn't applied for membership, if she hasn't, and if
> they or she thinks it is important.

Doesn't the fact that she still attends high school play into this?

She is limited in the number of tournaments she can play.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:23:39
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

<rastafarians2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>I started posting this as a response under the silly Anna Kournikova
> thread but didn't want it to get lost there. I wanted to compare
> Michelle Wie's performance as a 16-year old versus 16-year old boys who
> have played on the PGA Tour. However, there are only two to my
> knowledge.
>
> 1. Tiger Woods:
> Age 16: Nissan Open -- finished +5 (missed cut) *** youngest ever to
> take part in a PGA tour tournament at the time ***
> Age 17: Nissan Open -- finished +10 (missed cut)
> Age 17: Honda Classic -- finished +6 (missed cut)
> Age 17: GTE Byron Nelson -- finished +9 (missed cut)
> Age 18: Nestle Invitational -- finished +13 (shot 80-77, missed cut)
> Age 18: Buick Classic -- finished +3 (withdrew after two rounds, not
> sure if cut was made)
> Age 18: Western Open -- finished +5 (missed cut)
> Age 19: The Masters -- finished +5 (T41) *** Note: First cut made at
> Age 19 ***
> Age 19: US Open -- finished +19 (74-85, missed cut)
> Age 19: Western Open -- +3 (T57) *** First cut on a regular PGA tour
> tournament
>
> 2. Ty Tryon:
> Age 16: Honda Classic -- finished -10 (T39)
> Age 16: B.C. Open -- finished -9 (T37)
> Age 17: Michelob Championship at Kingsmill -- finished +6 (missed cut)
>
> (Then turned professional and proceeded to make about 20% of cuts over
> the next 2-3 years before fading)
>
> It is interesting that of Tiger, Ty, and Michelle, Ty Tryon actually
> had the most success at age 16. By some accounts, he had a
> lackadaisical approach to practicing (but I can't claim this to be true
> without knowing from the inside), and is now struggling to make cuts on
> the Asian Tour. Note that in the tournament in Korea in which Wie did
> make the cut, Tryon was 17 shots behind Michelle's score! Ouch.
> Meanwhile, Tiger made his first PGA cut at age 19 after several
> attempts.
>
> Of note, Tiger credits a lot of his success to having gone to college
> and gotten excellent coaching there. Tryon, meanwhile, did not go to
> college.
>
> So, back to Michelle. Should she give up playing with the men? Well,
> that's not our choice, is it? But my opinion is that she should be
> more selective. If it were up to me, I'd have her play the Sony Open,
> maybe the Colonial, and maybe the John Deere (my assumption being that
> her poor John Deere performance this year was because she was playing
> terribly, not because she was overmatched by the course). Obviously
> she should stay away from the longer courses. After high school, she
> plans on college (she has said Stanford many times), but because she
> has already turned pro, she won't have the benefit of competing on a
> college team and of having a coaching staff. On the other hand, she
> will likely be able to play more regularly on the LPGA at that time,
> and I'm sure her handlers will bring in the best training staff that
> money can buy.
>
> So, what's next? Is she a has-been? People have to grow into their
> golf game, just like Tiger did (and Tryon didn't). The fact that she
> could beat dozens of PGA professionals at age 15 is rekable. The
> fact that she couldn't at age 16 shows that she still has a lot to work
> on in her game. I just think it's unfair to say that a 16-year old
> (girl or boy) is all washed up because they had two lousy tournaments.
>
>
> I think Michelle plays two more tournaments this year -- LPGA's Samsung
> (where she finished 4th but was then DQed last year) and Japan's
> "men's" Casio Open (where she bogeyed the last two holes last year to
> finish 1 shot outside of the cut). Since she has room to improve in
> both, let's just see how she does.
>
> Regards
>

Bob Panasik not only played, but made the cut in the Canadian Open at the
age of 15.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 01:26:15
From:
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

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Date: 19 Sep 2006 03:36:37
From: Michel Oui
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

rastafarians2002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> 1. Tiger Woods:
> Age 16: Nissan Open -- finished +5 (missed cut) *** youngest ever to
> take part in a PGA tour tournament at the time ***
> Age 17: Nissan Open -- finished +10 (missed cut)
> Age 17: Honda Classic -- finished +6 (missed cut)
> Age 17: GTE Byron Nelson -- finished +9 (missed cut)
> Age 18: Nestle Invitational -- finished +13 (shot 80-77, missed cut)
> Age 18: Buick Classic -- finished +3 (withdrew after two rounds, not
> sure if cut was made)
> Age 18: Western Open -- finished +5 (missed cut)
> Age 19: The Masters -- finished +5 (T41) *** Note: First cut made at
> Age 19 ***
> Age 19: US Open -- finished +19 (74-85, missed cut)
> Age 19: Western Open -- +3 (T57) *** First cut on a regular PGA tour
> tournament

Tiger was sandbagging those early tournaments. He didn't want to
tip his hand to the regular PGA pros as to how good he really was
so he could take golf by storm when he finally turned pro. I'd
say his cunning plan has worked to near perfection.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:52:00
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:37:50
From:
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> It's reasonable to expect MW's game to stabilize when she finished growing
> and her body chemistry settles down. Tiger says he is most proud of his
> junior championships because he was dealing with a changing body along with
> everything else. He did say that, didn't he?

I don't think this is true. Her 15 minutes are over. I don't see much
of a future
for her on LPGA much less PGA events.

SOOOOO much of the game is mental. She lacks mental toughness, and
her confidence has to be shattering with horrendous finish after
horrendous
finish. It is MUCH worse in the long run to be crushed by competition
out
of your league than to have a bad day and finish top three among junior

women.

What's more, her selfish grab for glory with the PGA men has probably
set back the recognition of far better LPGA women who simply play
against
their peers instead of out of their league.

-PA

Date: 18 Sep 2006 19:13:25
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

blakestah@gmail.com wrote:
> AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
>> It's reasonable to expect MW's game to stabilize when she finished growing
>> and her body chemistry settles down. Tiger says he is most proud of his
>> junior championships because he was dealing with a changing body along with
>> everything else. He did say that, didn't he?
>
>
> I don't think this is true. Her 15 minutes are over. I don't see much
> of a future
> for her on LPGA much less PGA events.
>
> SOOOOO much of the game is mental. She lacks mental toughness, and
> her confidence has to be shattering with horrendous finish after
> horrendous
> finish. It is MUCH worse in the long run to be crushed by competition
> out
> of your league than to have a bad day and finish top three among junior
>
> women.
>
> What's more, her selfish grab for glory with the PGA men has probably
> set back the recognition of far better LPGA women who simply play
> against
> their peers instead of out of their league.
>
> -PA
>

I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's
a household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes
millions and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's
got nowhere to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the
LPGA tour? Once the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and lets
her join their special club she's going to kick some serious ass. Lots
more than, say, Morgan Pressel is kicking...

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:04:15
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> blakestah@gmail.com wrote:
>> AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
>>> It's reasonable to expect MW's game to stabilize when she finished
>>> growing
>>> and her body chemistry settles down. Tiger says he is most proud of his
>>> junior championships because he was dealing with a changing body along
>>> with
>>> everything else. He did say that, didn't he?
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is true. Her 15 minutes are over. I don't see much
>> of a future
>> for her on LPGA much less PGA events.
>>
>> SOOOOO much of the game is mental. She lacks mental toughness, and
>> her confidence has to be shattering with horrendous finish after
>> horrendous
>> finish. It is MUCH worse in the long run to be crushed by competition
>> out
>> of your league than to have a bad day and finish top three among junior
>>
>> women.
>>
>> What's more, her selfish grab for glory with the PGA men has probably
>> set back the recognition of far better LPGA women who simply play
>> against
>> their peers instead of out of their league. -PA
>>
>
> I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's a
> household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes millions
> and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's got nowhere
> to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the LPGA tour? Once
> the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and lets her join their
> special club she's going to kick some serious ass. Lots more than, say,
> Morgan Pressel is kicking...

It is better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all. That
make Michelle W. a winneer, an the rest of the beach balls on the LPGA,
losers.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:49:00
From: sfb
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If she
wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must remove her
head from her backside first.

"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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>
> I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's a
> household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes millions
> and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's got nowhere
> to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the LPGA tour? Once
> the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and lets her join their
> special club she's going to kick some serious ass. Lots more than, say,
> Morgan Pressel is kicking...

Date: 19 Sep 2006 07:20:29
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

sfb wrote:
>
> For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If she
> wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must remove her
> head from her backside first.

so, you believe that the LPGA tour would accept her application while
she is 16 years old? Or, put another way, WHY do you think she's never
applied for membership to the LPGA? You better believe that some behind
the scenes investigation was done to find out if the powers that be in
the LPGA would allow her to join, and obviously, to me anyway, the
answer was no...
>

Date: 19 Sep 2006 19:17:24
From: sfb
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

I think she's painted herself into a corner failing to be successful on the
men's tour. To apply to the LPGA is an admission that her grand plan is so
far a grand bust.

"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
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> sfb wrote:
> >
>> For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If
>> she wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must remove
>> her head from her backside first.
>
> so, you believe that the LPGA tour would accept her application while she
> is 16 years old? Or, put another way, WHY do you think she's never applied
> for membership to the LPGA? You better believe that some behind the scenes
> investigation was done to find out if the powers that be in the LPGA would
> allow her to join, and obviously, to me anyway, the answer was no...
>>

Date: 19 Sep 2006 17:47:25
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

sfb wrote:
> I think she's painted herself into a corner failing to be successful on the
> men's tour. To apply to the LPGA is an admission that her grand plan is so
> far a grand bust.
>

well, now I agree with you. And, at some point she'll have to back down
to the LPGA tour where she will be very successful IMO

Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:05:20
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
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> For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If
> she wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must remove
> her head from her backside first.
>
> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
> news:7nIPg.980$Cf6.576@newsfe06.lga...
>>
>> I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's a
>> household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes millions
>> and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's got
>> nowhere to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the LPGA
>> tour? Once the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and lets her
>> join their special club she's going to kick some serious ass. Lots more
>> than, say, Morgan Pressel is kicking...

You've posted this a lot of times and every time I post that the new head of
the LPGA says she is working on a way to get Michelle in. They seem to have
an understanding about her status.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:25:14
From: sfb
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

You are right that Bivens has pretty much said the 18 year old rule will be
waived, but Miss Wie still must first apply. The LPGA is not in the business
of kidnapping people and forcing them to be members.

The establishment aren't the bad guys. I only post it when people accuse the
LPGA of dragging their feet or having their heads up their behind when in
fact the LPGA hasn't done anything we know about to hinder her becoming a
member.

"AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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>
> "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message
> news:UIGdnYpnW4Ex9ZLYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If
>> she wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must remove
>> her head from her backside first.
>>
>> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
>> news:7nIPg.980$Cf6.576@newsfe06.lga...
>>>
>>> I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's
>>> a household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes
>>> millions and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's
>>> got nowhere to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the
>>> LPGA tour? Once the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and lets
>>> her join their special club she's going to kick some serious ass. Lots
>>> more than, say, Morgan Pressel is kicking...
>
> You've posted this a lot of times and every time I post that the new head
> of the LPGA says she is working on a way to get Michelle in. They seem to
> have an understanding about her status.
>
>

Date: 19 Sep 2006 07:23:53
From: long&left
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

sfb wrote:
> You are right that Bivens has pretty much said the 18 year old rule will be
> waived, but Miss Wie still must first apply. The LPGA is not in the business
> of kidnapping people and forcing them to be members.
>
> The establishment aren't the bad guys. I only post it when people accuse the
> LPGA of dragging their feet or having their heads up their behind when in
> fact the LPGA hasn't done anything we know about to hinder her becoming a
> member.
>

and how might you know that? You have some special inside information
about what the LPGA is thinking or doing? Oh, and btw, Carolyn Bivens is
a two faced liar IMO. The LPGA is losing sponsors left and right, why
should they be any ster regarding MW?

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Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:02:26
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:25:14 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:

>You are right that Bivens has pretty much said the 18 year old rule will be
>waived, but Miss Wie still must first apply. The LPGA is not in the business
>of kidnapping people and forcing them to be members.

She doesn't have to apply formally before discussing the matter with
the LPGA members. I infer that since the LPGA is working on the
matter, such discussion has occurred.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:23:28
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
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> You are right that Bivens has pretty much said the 18 year old rule will
> be waived, but Miss Wie still must first apply. The LPGA is not in the
> business of kidnapping people and forcing them to be members.

That isn't what I saw her say. She said that she was working on a plan to
follow some of the other sports, maybe tennis, that would allow Michelle Wie
to play in the future ... but that she was not now eligible and that until
the rules change, she would not be eligible.

> The establishment aren't the bad guys. I only post it when people accuse
> the LPGA of dragging their feet or having their heads up their behind when
> in fact the LPGA hasn't done anything we know about to hinder her becoming
> a member.

Imo, the LPGA seems to be trying to cultivate their image as one of caring
about the kids coming up through golf. I can't see how in Michelle Wie's
case, they are doing her any good. And it seems like, to me, that they are
usurping her parents authority. Was Tracy Austin hurt by her being allowed
to turn pro so early, I'm not sure, but the damage probably came from her
parents attitude, if there was any damage, and most people think their was
to her career and maybe her personality development, which sure doesn't show
now, if there was any ... in any case, it seems Michelle Wie is capable of
handling things, even the humiliation of playins what other see as poorly in
all but one men's event (right?). Maybe Michelle Wie should do something
besides golf, anyway. She said she wanted to attend law school, at one time,
didn't she? Maybe she'll be like the Burt Lancaster character in "Field of
Dreams".

> "AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:z6KPg.3366$nL2.2358@fed1read02...
>>
>> "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message
>> news:UIGdnYpnW4Ex9ZLYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> For the 3974th time, Miss Wie has never applied for LPGA membership. If
>>> she wants to play on the LPGA Tour as a member, it is she who must
>>> remove her head from her backside first.
>>>
>>> "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7nIPg.980$Cf6.576@newsfe06.lga...
>>>>
>>>> I'm not much of a MW fan, especially lately, but ya gotta admit...she's
>>>> a household name, she is recognized everywhere she goes, she makes
>>>> millions and millions and millions of dollars for coming in last. She's
>>>> got nowhere to go but up. How can you think she has no future on the
>>>> LPGA tour? Once the LPGA tour gets its head out of its backside and
>>>> lets her join their special club she's going to kick some serious ass.
>>>> Lots more than, say, Morgan Pressel is kicking...
>>
>> You've posted this a lot of times and every time I post that the new head
>> of the LPGA says she is working on a way to get Michelle in. They seem to
>> have an understanding about her status.
>>
>>
>
>

Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:31:10
From: David
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:23:28 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
<goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:

<snipped >

>Imo, the LPGA seems to be trying to cultivate their image as one of caring
>about the kids coming up through golf. I can't see how in Michelle Wie's
>case, they are doing her any good. And it seems like, to me, that they are
>usurping her parents authority. Was Tracy Austin hurt by her being allowed
>to turn pro so early, I'm not sure, but the damage probably came from her
>parents attitude, if there was any damage, and most people think their was
>to her career and maybe her personality development, which sure doesn't show
>now, if there was any ... in any case, it seems Michelle Wie is capable of
>handling things, even the humiliation of playins what other see as poorly in
>all but one men's event (right?). Maybe Michelle Wie should do something
>besides golf, anyway. She said she wanted to attend law school, at one time,
>didn't she? Maybe she'll be like the Burt Lancaster character in "Field of
>Dreams".

Tracy Austin's career was ended by severe back problems. This was
not a result of anyone coercing her in to playing. It can happen to
any athlete at any time. It could surely happen to Wie, as well. The
LPGA is not doing her any good by not waiving the minimum age rule.
Wie should be applying for the LPGA now and exerting pressure on the
LPGA. The rest of her life if golf. There can be no mistake about
it. One goes to school to get an education in order to get a decent
paying job. She has no more requirement in that department--she is
already set for life.

<snipped >

David

Date: 19 Sep 2006 14:02:24
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:23:28 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
> <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
>>Imo, the LPGA seems to be trying to cultivate their image as one of caring
>>about the kids coming up through golf. I can't see how in Michelle Wie's
>>case, they are doing her any good. And it seems like, to me, that they are
>>usurping her parents authority. Was Tracy Austin hurt by her being allowed
>>to turn pro so early, I'm not sure, but the damage probably came from her
>>parents attitude, if there was any damage, and most people think their was
>>to her career and maybe her personality development, which sure doesn't
>>show
>>now, if there was any ... in any case, it seems Michelle Wie is capable of
>>handling things, even the humiliation of playins what other see as poorly
>>in
>>all but one men's event (right?). Maybe Michelle Wie should do something
>>besides golf, anyway. She said she wanted to attend law school, at one
>>time,
>>didn't she? Maybe she'll be like the Burt Lancaster character in "Field of
>>Dreams".
>
> Tracy Austin's career was ended by severe back problems. This was
> not a result of anyone coercing her in to playing. It can happen to
> any athlete at any time. It could surely happen to Wie, as well. The
> LPGA is not doing her any good by not waiving the minimum age rule.
> Wie should be applying for the LPGA now and exerting pressure on the
> LPGA. The rest of her life if golf. There can be no mistake about
> it. One goes to school to get an education in order to get a decent
> paying job. She has no more requirement in that department--she is
> already set for life.
>
> <snipped>
>
> David

Was it Jennifer Capriotti that had the problems?

Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:34:21
From: David
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:02:24 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
<goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:

>
>"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message

<snipped >

>Was it Jennifer Capriotti that had the problems?

No. Tracy Austin had massive problems with ther back. Jennifer
Capriati had a heroin problem. Too bad, too.

David

Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:41:43
From: Tranny
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

rastafarians2002@yahoo.com wrote:
> I started posting this as a response under the silly Anna Kournikova
> thread but didn't want it to get lost there. I wanted to compare
> Michelle Wie's performance as a 16-year old versus 16-year old boys who
> have played on the PGA Tour. However, there are only two to my
> knowledge.
>
> 1. Tiger Woods:
> Age 16: Nissan Open -- finished +5 (missed cut) *** youngest ever to
> take part in a PGA tour tournament at the time ***
> Age 17: Nissan Open -- finished +10 (missed cut)
> Age 17: Honda Classic -- finished +6 (missed cut)
> Age 17: GTE Byron Nelson -- finished +9 (missed cut)
> Age 18: Nestle Invitational -- finished +13 (shot 80-77, missed cut)
> Age 18: Buick Classic -- finished +3 (withdrew after two rounds, not
> sure if cut was made)
> Age 18: Western Open -- finished +5 (missed cut)
> Age 19: The Masters -- finished +5 (T41) *** Note: First cut made at
> Age 19 ***
> Age 19: US Open -- finished +19 (74-85, missed cut)
> Age 19: Western Open -- +3 (T57) *** First cut on a regular PGA tour
> tournament
>
> 2. Ty Tryon:
> Age 16: Honda Classic -- finished -10 (T39)
> Age 16: B.C. Open -- finished -9 (T37)
> Age 17: Michelob Championship at Kingsmill -- finished +6 (missed cut)
>
> (Then turned professional and proceeded to make about 20% of cuts over
> the next 2-3 years before fading)
>
> It is interesting that of Tiger, Ty, and Michelle, Ty Tryon actually
> had the most success at age 16. By some accounts, he had a
> lackadaisical approach to practicing (but I can't claim this to be true
> without knowing from the inside), and is now struggling to make cuts on
> the Asian Tour. Note that in the tournament in Korea in which Wie did
> make the cut, Tryon was 17 shots behind Michelle's score! Ouch.
> Meanwhile, Tiger made his first PGA cut at age 19 after several
> attempts.
>
> Of note, Tiger credits a lot of his success to having gone to college
> and gotten excellent coaching there. Tryon, meanwhile, did not go to
> college.
>
> So, back to Michelle. Should she give up playing with the men? Well,
> that's not our choice, is it? But my opinion is that she should be
> more selective. If it were up to me, I'd have her play the Sony Open,
> maybe the Colonial, and maybe the John Deere (my assumption being that
> her poor John Deere performance this year was because she was playing
> terribly, not because she was overmatched by the course). Obviously
> she should stay away from the longer courses. After high school, she
> plans on college (she has said Stanford many times), but because she
> has already turned pro, she won't have the benefit of competing on a
> college team and of having a coaching staff. On the other hand, she
> will likely be able to play more regularly on the LPGA at that time,
> and I'm sure her handlers will bring in the best training staff that
> money can buy.
>
> So, what's next? Is she a has-been? People have to grow into their
> golf game, just like Tiger did (and Tryon didn't). The fact that she
> could beat dozens of PGA professionals at age 15 is rekable. The
> fact that she couldn't at age 16 shows that she still has a lot to work
> on in her game. I just think it's unfair to say that a 16-year old
> (girl or boy) is all washed up because they had two lousy tournaments.
>
>
> I think Michelle plays two more tournaments this year -- LPGA's Samsung
> (where she finished 4th but was then DQed last year) and Japan's
> "men's" Casio Open (where she bogeyed the last two holes last year to
> finish 1 shot outside of the cut). Since she has room to improve in
> both, let's just see how she does.
>
> Regards

She could start shagging and have a family.
Tran

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:31:47
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

It's reasonable to expect MW's game to stabilize when she finished growing
and her body chemistry settles down. Tiger says he is most proud of his
junior championships because he was dealing with a changing body along with
everything else. He did say that, didn't he?

<rastafarians2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158604557.243526.121040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I started posting this as a response under the silly Anna Kournikova
> thread but didn't want it to get lost there. I wanted to compare
> Michelle Wie's performance as a 16-year old versus 16-year old boys who
> have played on the PGA Tour. However, there are only two to my
> knowledge.
>
> 1. Tiger Woods:
> Age 16: Nissan Open -- finished +5 (missed cut) *** youngest ever to
> take part in a PGA tour tournament at the time ***
> Age 17: Nissan Open -- finished +10 (missed cut)
> Age 17: Honda Classic -- finished +6 (missed cut)
> Age 17: GTE Byron Nelson -- finished +9 (missed cut)
> Age 18: Nestle Invitational -- finished +13 (shot 80-77, missed cut)
> Age 18: Buick Classic -- finished +3 (withdrew after two rounds, not
> sure if cut was made)
> Age 18: Western Open -- finished +5 (missed cut)
> Age 19: The Masters -- finished +5 (T41) *** Note: First cut made at
> Age 19 ***
> Age 19: US Open -- finished +19 (74-85, missed cut)
> Age 19: Western Open -- +3 (T57) *** First cut on a regular PGA tour
> tournament
>
> 2. Ty Tryon:
> Age 16: Honda Classic -- finished -10 (T39)
> Age 16: B.C. Open -- finished -9 (T37)
> Age 17: Michelob Championship at Kingsmill -- finished +6 (missed cut)
>
> (Then turned professional and proceeded to make about 20% of cuts over
> the next 2-3 years before fading)
>
> It is interesting that of Tiger, Ty, and Michelle, Ty Tryon actually
> had the most success at age 16. By some accounts, he had a
> lackadaisical approach to practicing (but I can't claim this to be true
> without knowing from the inside), and is now struggling to make cuts on
> the Asian Tour. Note that in the tournament in Korea in which Wie did
> make the cut, Tryon was 17 shots behind Michelle's score! Ouch.
> Meanwhile, Tiger made his first PGA cut at age 19 after several
> attempts.
>
> Of note, Tiger credits a lot of his success to having gone to college
> and gotten excellent coaching there. Tryon, meanwhile, did not go to
> college.
>
> So, back to Michelle. Should she give up playing with the men? Well,
> that's not our choice, is it? But my opinion is that she should be
> more selective. If it were up to me, I'd have her play the Sony Open,
> maybe the Colonial, and maybe the John Deere (my assumption being that
> her poor John Deere performance this year was because she was playing
> terribly, not because she was overmatched by the course). Obviously
> she should stay away from the longer courses. After high school, she
> plans on college (she has said Stanford many times), but because she
> has already turned pro, she won't have the benefit of competing on a
> college team and of having a coaching staff. On the other hand, she
> will likely be able to play more regularly on the LPGA at that time,
> and I'm sure her handlers will bring in the best training staff that
> money can buy.
>
> So, what's next? Is she a has-been? People have to grow into their
> golf game, just like Tiger did (and Tryon didn't). The fact that she
> could beat dozens of PGA professionals at age 15 is rekable. The
> fact that she couldn't at age 16 shows that she still has a lot to work
> on in her game. I just think it's unfair to say that a 16-year old
> (girl or boy) is all washed up because they had two lousy tournaments.
>
>
> I think Michelle plays two more tournaments this year -- LPGA's Samsung
> (where she finished 4th but was then DQed last year) and Japan's
> "men's" Casio Open (where she bogeyed the last two holes last year to
> finish 1 shot outside of the cut). Since she has room to improve in
> both, let's just see how she does.
>
> Regards
>

Date: 18 Sep 2006 22:34:04
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: What Should Michelle Wie Do?

<rastafarians2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158604557.243526.121040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

> So, back to Michelle. Should she give up playing with the men? Well,
> that's not our choice, is it? But my opinion is that she should be
> more selective. If it were up to me, I'd have her play the Sony Open,
> maybe the Colonial, and maybe the John Deere (my assumption being that
> her poor John Deere performance this year was because she was playing
> terribly, not because she was overmatched by the course).

First thing for her to do - don't plan on playing against the big boys
unless you expect to have your game in top shape. These last two tournaments
came after having been off for most of the summer. She was rusty, and it
ended up embarassing her.

At least three times, she has played on the tour when her game was in good
shape - twice she played well and nearly made the cut, and this year at Sony
she pulled out a nice 68 after making dumb mistakes in the first round.
This level of play was consistent with her very good play in the women's
majors and the other big events she played against the LPGA.

But now, I suspect she'd do poorly in an LPGA event, simply because her
game's off right now. She hit She has less than a month to get it together
for the Samsung event, during a time when she's at home, apparently in
school, and maybe with other things on her mind. We shall see.

DJJ