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Date: 17 Mar 2007 06:32:36
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Walked 18 yesterday
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Part of my new year's resolution to reverse my increasingly sedentary
lifestyle, I decided I should walk more.
Seems I've been playing a lot of resort golf and
dead-heat-of-the-summer golf, which means I've been riding in a cart.
Yesterday, I got up early and showed up at the local muni as a
"standby." Wasn't even a 15-minute wait before they called me to the
tee. Joined with a twosome and another single, all walking.
I really believe I am better able to focus on the game when walking.
It just seems there are less distractions than when in a cart and
having to zig zag back and forth to each other's balls, etc. It seems
you miss so much zipping past on the cart path. Walking down the
middle of the fairway, one is able to get a better feel for the course
layout and how the holes setup, how the hazards are in play, and so
on...
Shot 85 and wasn't all that tired. I should look at a better carry bag
or perhaps one of those pull/push carts.
I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
I'll be back in the cart!!
Tom
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:50:23
From: Raj
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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Been walking for over a month now..game feels better.
One question I have is...Does anyone know how many calories do you actually
expend when you walk and carry v/s Cart?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 14:11:47
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Mon, 19 2007 12:50:23 -0700, "Raj" <peepskipu@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>Been walking for over a month now..game feels better.
>
>One question I have is...Does anyone know how many calories do you actually
>expend when you walk and carry v/s Cart?
Google showed me
http://calorielab.com/burned/index.html?mo=ac&ac=15290&ti=Golf%2C+using+power+cart&q=&wt=150&un=lb&kg=68
http://tinyurl.com/3378el
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 16:36:19
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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The Web Site is overly complex bordering on gibberish. Walking caloric burn
is a function of distance not rate until you get down to something like 8
minute miles.
About 750 calories - 150 calories per mile for 5 miles on 7040 yard course
( 4 miles)
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 2007 12:50:23 -0700, "Raj" <peepskipu@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Been walking for over a month now..game feels better.
>>
>>One question I have is...Does anyone know how many calories do you
>>actually
>>expend when you walk and carry v/s Cart?
>
> Google showed me
> http://calorielab.com/burned/index.html?mo=ac&ac=15290&ti=Golf%2C+using+power+cart&q=&wt=150&un=lb&kg=68
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3378el
>
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 16:54:33
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
news:bYadneSLCP_eaWPYnZ2dnUVZ_vShnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The Web Site is overly complex bordering on gibberish. Walking caloric
burn
> is a function of distance not rate until you get down to something like 8
> minute miles.
>
> About 750 calories - 150 calories per mile for 5 miles on 7040 yard course
> ( 4 miles)
If you weigh more you will burn more calories for the same distance.
Add the weight of the clubs/bag if you are carrying.
Otto
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:16:16
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On 19, 4:50 pm, "Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
> "JohnO" <johno1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174274526.240881.86090@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Oh, and I used to always carry my clubs as I found pulling a cart gave
> > me a sore back. Eventually carrying started tiring me out (age!) so I
> > got a Sun Mountain Speed Cart and am finding that to be little or no
> > more effort than walking with no clubs!
>
> I like my Sun Mountain Speed cart.
>
> The bride loves hers too!!
>
> Otto
And they say romance is dead....
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:22:06
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On 19, 3:19 pm, "JohnO" <johno1...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 18, 1:32 am, Tom Yost <t...@bloodyvikings.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Part of my new year's resolution to reverse my increasingly sedentary
> > lifestyle, I decided I should walk more.
>
> > Seems I've been playing a lot of resort golf and
> > dead-heat-of-the-summer golf, which means I've been riding in a cart.
>
> > Yesterday, I got up early and showed up at the local muni as a
> > "standby." Wasn't even a 15-minute wait before they called me to the
> > tee. Joined with a twosome and another single, all walking.
>
> > I really believe I am better able to focus on the game when walking.
> > It just seems there are less distractions than when in a cart and
> > having to zig zag back and forth to each other's balls, etc. It seems
> > you miss so much zipping past on the cart path. Walking down the
> > middle of the fairway, one is able to get a better feel for the course
> > layout and how the holes setup, how the hazards are in play, and so
> > on...
>
> > Shot 85 and wasn't all that tired. I should look at a better carry bag
> > or perhaps one of those pull/push carts.
>
> > I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> > I'll be back in the cart!!
>
> > Tom
>
> It's a funny thing. I had not played in a couple of months. Got out on
> Friday for 18 (walked). That evening I was very tired and sore. Played
> again on Sunday, on a course that is much more up and downhill, yet
> felt just fine afterwards. I think some muscles needed a good stretch
> out to get back into the groove.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh, and I used to always carry my clubs as I found pulling a cart gave
me a sore back. Eventually carrying started tiring me out (age!) so I
got a Sun Mountain Speed Cart and am finding that to be little or no
more effort than walking with no clubs!
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 23:50:54
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174274526.240881.86090@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Oh, and I used to always carry my clubs as I found pulling a cart gave
> me a sore back. Eventually carrying started tiring me out (age!) so I
> got a Sun Mountain Speed Cart and am finding that to be little or no
> more effort than walking with no clubs!
I like my Sun Mountain Speed cart.
The bride loves hers too!!
Otto
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:20:06
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sun, 18 2007 23:50:54 -0500, "Otto"
<ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>
>"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1174274526.240881.86090@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Oh, and I used to always carry my clubs as I found pulling a cart gave
>> me a sore back. Eventually carrying started tiring me out (age!) so I
>> got a Sun Mountain Speed Cart and am finding that to be little or no
>> more effort than walking with no clubs!
>
>I like my Sun Mountain Speed cart.
>
>The bride loves hers too!!
>
All three of the walkers I played with had these Speed Carts. Pretty
slick! All gave it the thumbs up.
The course actually had for rent some interesting looking push carts:
http://www.theriksha.com/
Wondering if anyone has any experience with these?
Tom
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 11:50:19
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"Tom Yost" <tom@bloodyvikings.com > wrote in message
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> All three of the walkers I played with had these Speed Carts. Pretty
> slick! All gave it the thumbs up.
Having used the Speed cart since June, I have only had two problems with the
cart.
1. When initially attempting to inflate a tire, I pressed on the valve stem
and the stem seperated from the tube. A call placed to Sun Mountain and they
sent me a replacement tube. The process took about a week. You can also buy
the tube at Walt in the bike section.
2. The small plastic clip which holds the sand/seed bottle breaks easily.
I've gone through several and they send me replacemments. They have stated
that in addition to being clipped on, they want the user to also use the
string to tie down the bottle so it doesn't wobble and stress the clip. Imo,
that is too much of a hassle. I noticed they used the same clip on the new
V2 version. They really should go with a metal clip. In addition, the clip
as it comes from the factory, has a small screw to fasten it straight into
the frame. That popped out on me before the first round I used it. I ran a
small bolt and washer set up through the frame and nutted it on the back
side. The impression I got from the entire sand/seed bottle clip design is
it was a sale gimmick but not meant to be used seriously.
Hth.
Otto
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 11:07:52
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Mon, 19 2007 07:20:06 -0700, Tom Yost <tom@bloodyvikings.com >
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 2007 23:50:54 -0500, "Otto"
><ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JohnO" <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1174274526.240881.86090@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> Oh, and I used to always carry my clubs as I found pulling a cart gave
>>> me a sore back. Eventually carrying started tiring me out (age!) so I
>>> got a Sun Mountain Speed Cart and am finding that to be little or no
>>> more effort than walking with no clubs!
>>
>>I like my Sun Mountain Speed cart.
>>
>>The bride loves hers too!!
>>
>
>All three of the walkers I played with had these Speed Carts. Pretty
>slick! All gave it the thumbs up.
>
>The course actually had for rent some interesting looking push carts:
>http://www.theriksha.com/
>
>Wondering if anyone has any experience with these?
>
>
>Tom
They have those at Bandon and they are a royal PITA, IMO. Since they
only have two wheels -- as opposed to the three wheels for the speed
carts -- I found myself spending a lot of time and effort just keeping
the thing balanced so it wouldn't scrape along the ground.
The speed carts are much much better.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:19:41
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On 18, 1:32 am, Tom Yost <t...@bloodyvikings.com > wrote:
> Part of my new year's resolution to reverse my increasingly sedentary
> lifestyle, I decided I should walk more.
>
> Seems I've been playing a lot of resort golf and
> dead-heat-of-the-summer golf, which means I've been riding in a cart.
>
> Yesterday, I got up early and showed up at the local muni as a
> "standby." Wasn't even a 15-minute wait before they called me to the
> tee. Joined with a twosome and another single, all walking.
>
> I really believe I am better able to focus on the game when walking.
> It just seems there are less distractions than when in a cart and
> having to zig zag back and forth to each other's balls, etc. It seems
> you miss so much zipping past on the cart path. Walking down the
> middle of the fairway, one is able to get a better feel for the course
> layout and how the holes setup, how the hazards are in play, and so
> on...
>
> Shot 85 and wasn't all that tired. I should look at a better carry bag
> or perhaps one of those pull/push carts.
>
> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> I'll be back in the cart!!
>
> Tom
It's a funny thing. I had not played in a couple of months. Got out on
Friday for 18 (walked). That evening I was very tired and sore. Played
again on Sunday, on a course that is much more up and downhill, yet
felt just fine afterwards. I think some muscles needed a good stretch
out to get back into the groove.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 16:17:25
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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> It's just a better game when you walk.
>Are you
>willing to exercise (plus enjoy the game as it's intended) and deal
>with some consequences (tiredness afterwards) or do you just need to
>get a round in and move on with your life for the rest of the day
>(wife, kids, work, etc)?
To each his own, I suppose. I think there are a number of ways to
enjoy golf, and the fellas I play with like to ride, and so do I. We
have so much food and drink with us that it's not especially easy to
deal with it without a cart. We're not just "getting a round in,"
either. For some of us it's the highlight of the week. Good
conversation with pals who don't see each other but once a week. We're
all okay golfers (the best shoots in the low 70s, the worst in the low
90s), and we smoke and drink and eat and play much faster than you
probably think given the fun we have.
Walking the course is a different thing, of course, and if it's what
you're looking for, then have at it. But I can't imagine anyone having
a better time than us.
Cheers,
Ed
PS: I had the same score as Tiger today, 43 on the back 9. I stayed
out of the water, but my course was a LOT easier.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:28:53
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1174259845.204360.298930@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> To each his own, I suppose. I think there are a number of ways to
> enjoy golf, and the fellas I play with like to ride, and so do I. We
> have so much food and drink with us that it's not especially easy to
> deal with it without a cart. We're not just "getting a round in,"
> either. For some of us it's the highlight of the week. Good
> conversation with pals who don't see each other but once a week. We're
> all okay golfers (the best shoots in the low 70s, the worst in the low
> 90s), and we smoke and drink and eat and play much faster than you
> probably think given the fun we have.
>
> Walking the course is a different thing, of course, and if it's what
> you're looking for, then have at it. But I can't imagine anyone having
> a better time than us.
No one is having a better time than you are.
I think it is great you and your friends are enjoying the game of golf.
Party on!!!!!!!!!
Otto
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:25:52
From: PDX Hacker
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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> If I walked 18 I'd have to go home and take a 3 hour nap. Plus eat
> about five sandwiches.
>
That is a good point -- in my golf league, we almost never ride but
yesterday we decided to ride yesterday (Landon Farms in Willsonville,
OR) and at the 19th hole, lots of guys were saying "it's great that
it's not so tiring." I guess it depends on what you want? Are you
willing to exercise (plus enjoy the game as it's intended) and deal
with some consequences (tiredness afterwards) or do you just need to
get a round in and move on with your life for the rest of the day
(wife, kids, work, etc)? In principle, I like the former but sometimes
I feel that I have to compromise and pick the latter.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 18:30:09
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"PDX Hacker" <joonyoung.kim@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174242352.608035.41640@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> That is a good point -- in my golf league, we almost never ride but
> yesterday we decided to ride yesterday (Landon Farms in Willsonville,
> OR) and at the 19th hole, lots of guys were saying "it's great that
> it's not so tiring." I guess it depends on what you want? Are you
> willing to exercise (plus enjoy the game as it's intended) and deal
> with some consequences (tiredness afterwards) or do you just need to
> get a round in and move on with your life for the rest of the day
> (wife, kids, work, etc)? In principle, I like the former but sometimes
> I feel that I have to compromise and pick the latter.
Very reasonable position but I think in the long run, if you want to control
medical costs, enjoy quality of life, enjoy the game of golf as long as
possible, and truly enjoy the game of golf, the truth in the answer
is---------------Walk.
I ride here and there when it is socially acceptable to do so, but give me
the option, and I am walking.
It's just a better game when you walk.
Otto
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:03:40
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sun, 18 2007 18:30:09 -0500, "Otto"
<ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>
>"PDX Hacker" <joonyoung.kim@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1174242352.608035.41640@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> That is a good point -- in my golf league, we almost never ride but
>> yesterday we decided to ride yesterday (Landon Farms in Willsonville,
>> OR) and at the 19th hole, lots of guys were saying "it's great that
>> it's not so tiring." I guess it depends on what you want? Are you
>> willing to exercise (plus enjoy the game as it's intended) and deal
>> with some consequences (tiredness afterwards) or do you just need to
>> get a round in and move on with your life for the rest of the day
>> (wife, kids, work, etc)? In principle, I like the former but sometimes
>> I feel that I have to compromise and pick the latter.
>
>
>Very reasonable position but I think in the long run, if you want to control
>medical costs, enjoy quality of life, enjoy the game of golf as long as
>possible, and truly enjoy the game of golf, the truth in the answer
>is---------------Walk.
>
>
>I ride here and there when it is socially acceptable to do so, but give me
>the option, and I am walking.
>
>It's just a better game when you walk.
>
>
>Otto
>
At my dad they have a guy who is 90 who plays every day, usually just
nine holes. There are few hills on the course but if you jump around
you can play the "flat" nine. He walks
Wanna make a bet on how he got to be 90? He walks and gets exercise.
PS -- The club also has a rule that if you are over 90 everything --
food, greens fees, monthly dues, etc -- are on the house. Pretty cool
if you ask me.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:50:03
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sun, 18 2007 21:03:40 -0400, John van der Pflum
<nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
>On Sun, 18 2007 18:30:09 -0500, "Otto"
><ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"PDX Hacker" <joonyoung.kim@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1174242352.608035.41640@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> That is a good point -- in my golf league, we almost never ride but
>>> yesterday we decided to ride yesterday (Landon Farms in Willsonville,
>>> OR) and at the 19th hole, lots of guys were saying "it's great that
>>> it's not so tiring." I guess it depends on what you want? Are you
>>> willing to exercise (plus enjoy the game as it's intended) and deal
>>> with some consequences (tiredness afterwards) or do you just need to
>>> get a round in and move on with your life for the rest of the day
>>> (wife, kids, work, etc)? In principle, I like the former but sometimes
>>> I feel that I have to compromise and pick the latter.
>>
>>
>>Very reasonable position but I think in the long run, if you want to control
>>medical costs, enjoy quality of life, enjoy the game of golf as long as
>>possible, and truly enjoy the game of golf, the truth in the answer
>>is---------------Walk.
>>
>>
>>I ride here and there when it is socially acceptable to do so, but give me
>>the option, and I am walking.
>>
>>It's just a better game when you walk.
>>
>>
>>Otto
>>
>
>At my dad they have a guy who is 90 who plays every day, usually just
Should read "at my dad's club....."
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 22:19:09
From: MoiMoi
Subject: Today (Re: Walked 18 yesterday)
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I walked 18 today, hilly track.
Played the blues, 6450 yds.
No buddies available, didn't hook up; was trapped among bunch of 4somes,
so played two balls.
"Better ball" score 81, probably 'bout bogey with either alone.
Still totally dormant bermuda fairways, greens slow and bumpy, bunkers
rough with water in the bottoms.
Mainly sussing out "new old" clubs, Calloway irons, 2-3-4 hybrids, TM
580XD. Very so-so with irons and the driver, but wow, those Heavenwoods.
I was tired, too; I'm almost 59.
Was good to get out for first time in good while.
Most all of my best rounds have been while walking, btw.
MM
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 08:17:25
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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Gee, Tom's walking now.
Can wiping his own ass be far behind?
What a big big boy!
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 21:22:25
From: Steve Gavette
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"Tom Yost" <tom@bloodyvikings.com > wrote in message
news:vbqnv2th24visdir48n0v4aklpibbaf2vm@4ax.com...
> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> I'll be back in the cart!!
Another month if we're lucky. What muni do you play?
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 21:19:55
From: Steve Gavette
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"Tom Yost" <tom@bloodyvikings.com > wrote in message
news:vbqnv2th24visdir48n0v4aklpibbaf2vm@4ax.com...
> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> I'll be back in the cart!!
Another month if we're lucky. What muni do you play?
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 07:11:18
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sat, 17 2007 21:19:55 -0700, "Steve Gavette"
<sgavette@no.cox.spam.net.4me > wrote:
>
>"Tom Yost" <tom@bloodyvikings.com> wrote in message
>news:vbqnv2th24visdir48n0v4aklpibbaf2vm@4ax.com...
>
>> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
>> I'll be back in the cart!!
>
>Another month if we're lucky. What muni do you play?
>
This was Dobson Ranch in Mesa AZ. I'm not a regular, but I have
played it many times over the years. I always enjoyed the layout, and
it is in real good condition right now. I would guess that approx.
3/4 of the players were walking.
Tom
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 19:09:59
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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> Part of my new year's resolution to reverse my increasingly sedentary
> lifestyle, I decided I should walk more.
Fantastic. I'm all for people doing what they want, as long as they
aren't getting the way of other people's lives or prosletyzing about
their own choices, so enjoy. I play with some folks who love to walk
it and whack it, and we all get along fine. In fact I have one pal in
particular who always scores better when walking. He's much more
focused on the hole, the angles he's working to the green. We don't
get to visit too much, but he does score better.
For me, walking and golfing at the same time is just a nice cart ride
ruined - plus I'd spill far too much beer that way. (But that's just
me. Y'all do what you want.)
Ed
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 15:48:47
From: Zuke
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sat, 17 2007, Tom Yost wrote:
> Part of my new year's resolution to reverse my increasingly sedentary
> lifestyle, I decided I should walk more.
>
> Seems I've been playing a lot of resort golf and
> dead-heat-of-the-summer golf, which means I've been riding in a cart.
>
> Yesterday, I got up early and showed up at the local muni as a
> "standby." Wasn't even a 15-minute wait before they called me to the
> tee. Joined with a twosome and another single, all walking.
>
> I really believe I am better able to focus on the game when walking.
> It just seems there are less distractions than when in a cart and
> having to zig zag back and forth to each other's balls, etc. It seems
> you miss so much zipping past on the cart path. Walking down the
> middle of the fairway, one is able to get a better feel for the course
> layout and how the holes setup, how the hazards are in play, and so
> on...
>
> Shot 85 and wasn't all that tired. I should look at a better carry bag
> or perhaps one of those pull/push carts.
>
> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> I'll be back in the cart!!
>
>
If I walked 18 I'd have to go home and take a 3 hour nap. Plus eat
about five sandwiches.
> Tom
>
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 11:10:52
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On 17, 2:39 pm, "Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
> The anti-walker bias is amazing and the myth that walkers are slower than
> cart riders has been swallowed by so many--hook, line, and sinker.
You make some valid points and some stretches as well.
If the rules are "cartpath-only" that day, it does slow down the pace.
However, the main reason that cart players might be slower is usually
because there are two of them in the cart and the cart has to service
both of them. So while the walker hits his shot and starts walking,
the cart riders have to wait on the 2nd guy.
If I'm playing as a single in a cart, however, I guarantee you you
won't be able to keep up, even if it is cartpath-only. By the time
you get to your drive, I'll have gotten to my ball, walked over from
the cartpath, hit the shot, and gone on.
I've ridden many a round in less than 2 hours playing by myself. I
don't recall walking too many round in 2 hours or less. At Pungent
Municipal, which is a short flat course I can walk 9 holes in a little
less than 1 hour if I hump it. Riding, I can do it it 40-45 minutes,
depending on the cart rules.
Your comments about the red herring are dead spot on. Courses want
that cart revenue, plain and simple. Many of the local public courses
have gone to riding-only during peak times, such as Weekends before
noon.
And most of them have suffered a reduction in play as a result.
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 15:16:23
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
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> If I'm playing as a single in a cart, however, I guarantee you you
> won't be able to keep up, even if it is cartpath-only. By the time
> you get to your drive, I'll have gotten to my ball, walked over from
> the cartpath, hit the shot, and gone on.
Depends how close you keep your drive to the cart path. : >)
> I've ridden many a round in less than 2 hours playing by myself. I
> don't recall walking too many round in 2 hours or less.
I agree that as a single, if you are a fast player, you can play faster than
I walk. If you are a single and a slow player, you will not keep up with me.
You are clearly not a slow player.
In your case, your pace of play is never an issue whether you ride or walk.
It illustrates that walking has nothing to do with "pace of play".
In fact, we can take it to the more typicall situation of 2 people in 1
cart, and now the pace of play in the cart will be slower than I walking and
my wife walking.
> Your comments about the red herring are dead spot on. Courses want
> that cart revenue, plain and simple.
I just wish they would be honest about it. We want more money on peak times.
The fee is $XX and we don't care how you get around the course. If the hole
opens up in front of you, we reserve the right to require you to skip a hole
to speed the pace of play.
> Many of the local public courses
> have gone to riding-only during peak times, such as Weekends before
> noon.
Ours does this before 2pm. I can go out in the middle of a weekend day with
my wife and kids wallking and we will be the fastest group on the course. We
will wait all round for the cart riders.
> And most of them have suffered a reduction in play as a result.
I wonder if this is true?
Otto
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 13:57:48
From: Henry
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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Gotta agree with the "lady" from Sweden here. I just cartpathed-only in
1:50 and never walked it in under 2:30 because it's in a golf course
community with some long walks between tees.
Henry
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 15:05:19
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"Henry" <HenryNot@home.com > wrote in message
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> Gotta agree with the "lady" from Sweden here. I just cartpathed-only in
> 1:50 and never walked it in under 2:30 because it's in a golf course
> community with some long walks between tees.
On the new courses with long distance between green and tee the advantage
clearly goes to the cart rider.
Even here at the Bellsouth Classic(I guess it will now be the AT&T Classic),
it is so far on some holes that they even give the Pga pros rides during
tournament play.
I would chalk that situation up to "poor golf course design". Might be a
nice course, but you should be able to walk a golf course.
Otto
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 17:09:11
From: WhiteOut
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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>
> I really believe I am better able to focus on the game when walking.
> It just seems there are less distractions than when in a cart and
> having to zig zag back and forth to each other's balls, etc. It seems
> you miss so much zipping past on the cart path.
I have always felt this way. To me golf is a sport, and I treat it like
one. What I cannot stand is that so many courses nowadays, even though they
are not 'resort' courses, still require you to ride. I often play faster
when walking versus my riding playing partners, and I do not lose errant
shots because I go straight to them. Like other sports, golf to me is a
game of momentum and creating/maintaining consistent playing
patterns/habits. I find it very difficult to maintain my patterns when
riding...i wish more courses in town would lose the friggin 'resort' mindset
and let me play the way the game was designed.
on a final note, it drives me nuts when they require 90 degree crossing or
path-only riding, but then time your play. 1. when i do ride i'm usually
the only one i see adhering to the 90' rule (so not to damage wet fairways),
2. It takes waaay more time to park on the path, bring 2-3 clubs, walk out
to the middle or even far side of the fairway, walk back, go find the next
ball, etc & etc.
last summer we had a ranger following us--he was polite but asked us to move
faster. I politely mentioned that if his friggin pristine club were not so
high-minded about themselves, we would have been allowed to walk a heck of a
lot faster and he'd still be sitting at the starter's shack. our group
scores ranged from 85-95 that day--not fabulous, but not so horrid that we
dont keep moving
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 02:03:58
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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On Sat, 17 2007 17:09:11 GMT, "WhiteOut" <gofins@06.com > wrote:
>I have always felt this way. To me golf is a sport, and I treat it like
>one. What I cannot stand is that so many courses nowadays, even though they
>are not 'resort' courses, still require you to ride. I often play faster
>when walking versus my riding playing partners, and I do not lose errant
>shots because I go straight to them. Like other sports, golf to me is a
>game of momentum and creating/maintaining consistent playing
>patterns/habits. I find it very difficult to maintain my patterns when
>riding...i wish more courses in town would lose the friggin 'resort' mindset
>and let me play the way the game was designed.
I haven't come across any non-resort courses that required riding. I
went to a Troon course a couple of months before range finders were
legal and asked for pin position. The told me that the range finders
told me that. I said I was walking. They said the carts were
included in my cost. I said I had heart attacks - I was walking.
They didn't seem to understand. But they allowed me to walk.
>on a final note, it drives me nuts when they require 90 degree crossing or
>path-only riding, but then time your play. 1. when i do ride i'm usually
>the only one i see adhering to the 90' rule (so not to damage wet fairways),
>2. It takes waaay more time to park on the path, bring 2-3 clubs, walk out
>to the middle or even far side of the fairway, walk back, go find the next
>ball, etc & etc.
Those make rounds very, very slow. Especially if the starting times
aren't adjusted to take them into account.
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 13:39:54
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"WhiteOut" <gofins@06.com > wrote in message
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>What I cannot stand is that so many courses nowadays, even though they
> are not 'resort' courses, still require you to ride.
They use the speed of play argument but that is a red herring.
It's all about revenue. They don't want just green fees. They want green
fees and cart fees and beverage sales and food sales. These all sell better
in a cart only environment.
> I often play faster
> when walking versus my riding playing partners,
Riding Vs walking is a non issue when carts can leave the path. Slow players
are slow players.
>and I do not lose errant
> shots because I go straight to them.
The constant lost ball ball hunt is more a novice factor. The newbs just
don't watch their ball and spot it properly. The newbs are probably heavily
influenced by the modern day cart mentality also so they tend to be in the
cart.
>i wish more courses in town would lose the friggin 'resort' mindset
> and let me play the way the game was designed.
Just play the courses that allow walkers.
> on a final note, it drives me nuts when they require 90 degree crossing or
> path-only riding, but then time your play. 1. when i do ride i'm usually
> the only one i see adhering to the 90' rule (so not to damage wet
fairways),
> 2. It takes waaay more time to park on the path, bring 2-3 clubs, walk
out
> to the middle or even far side of the fairway, walk back, go find the next
> ball, etc & etc.
A single in a cart on cart path only day (due to soft fairways) will never
keep up with a walker. Put two in the cart and they will slow the entire
pace of play.
It is impossible, on cart path only days, to keep up with a walker.
I was on the first tee one day as a walker on a cart path only day and a
twosome of cart riders showed up and I asked if they wanted to join. They
gave the the old "you'll play too slow walking" excuse and declined. They
continued the "you will try to play fast won't you?" and "Are we going to
have to wait for you the whole round?"
I politely advised them they had bought the "carts are faster myth" and
didn't have a chance of keeping up and wished them a great round.
I never saw them again after the first tee. By the time I made the turn, I
had opened up 3 holes between us.
> last summer we had a ranger following us--he was polite but asked us to
move
> faster. I politely mentioned that if his friggin pristine club were not
so
> high-minded about themselves, we would have been allowed to walk a heck of
a
> lot faster and he'd still be sitting at the starter's shack. our group
> scores ranged from 85-95 that day--not fabulous, but not so horrid that we
> dont keep moving
I understand your frustration with the anti-walker mentality but the whole
pace of play and ranger issue is really dependent on two factors. Are there
holes open in front of you and are there people waiting behind you. If yes
to both of these factors, you need to either speed up, skip a hole, or let
those behind you play through.
What cracks me up is when the ranger comes to my group of walkers and asks
us to let the group(cart riders) behind us play through. I politley tell him
it won't help as we have had to wait on the foursome of cart riders in front
of us for every shot. The only way we can play any faster is to hit into
them.
The anti-walker bias is amazing and the myth that walkers are slower than
cart riders has been swallowed by so many--hook, line, and sinker.
Otto
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 12:34:57
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Walked 18 yesterday
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"Tom Yost" <tom@bloodyvikings.com > wrote in message
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> I say all this, but in another month or so when the temps pass 100+,
> I'll be back in the cart!!
Walking is the best and can be faster than riding a cart.
Most seem to feel that walking will also add to your longevity in golf. The
thought of sitting on your can and then getting up and torquing the back 35
times is a spinal surgeon's dream.
If you are consistently walking now you may find yourself able to deal with
the heat come the summer. A round at 1Pm might not work but the early
morning play or twilight play will certainly be in your capabilities. Drink
a lot of water before and during and after the round and eat light before
and during the round. Eating light means food stuffs that don't require a
lot of water or energy to process. Apples and bananas are good.
Wear a wide brimmed hat. Keeping the hot sun off your head and neck and
shoulders is a big help.
The "old school" courses seem to be better suited to walking. Many of the
new courses have very long distances from green to the next tee. These
courses are clearly designed for carts.
As a walker, I say--"Welcome back to golf!!"
Otto
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