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Date: 15 Jan 2007 22:19:54
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Tuna debate misses the point
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The bottom line in this issue is that American Samoa has ALways been exempt
from our minimum wage laws because the cost of living is MUCH lower than in
this country, so the wage minimums controlled there by our Dept. of Commerce
! are appropriately lower than in the continental US. NYC vs. American
Samoa: no comparison, for one example.
So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is to
require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for the
rest of us..
Simplisticism is not a good idea.
So all the bruhaha about corruption and favoritism is irrelevant.
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 23:01:52
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"R&B" wrote:
.
>
> The one thing that I keep telling myself that makes the loss palatable is
> that even if the FG had been good, (a.) Dallas's leaky defense probably
> would have let the 'Squawks move down the field and into field goal range in
> the closing minute and Josh Brown probably would have won it for Seattle
> anyway, and (b.) The Cowboys had so many holes, they weren't going very deep
> into the playoffs anyway.
Squawks! Good one. Been a fan for 30 years and never heard that one.
Sea-chickens is the more popular one.
BTW....I thought the key to that game was the half yard, failure to get
a first down play.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 01:03:28
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote ...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
> .
>>
>> The one thing that I keep telling myself that makes the loss palatable is
>> that even if the FG had been good, (a.) Dallas's leaky defense probably
>> would have let the 'Squawks move down the field and into field goal range
>> in
>> the closing minute and Josh Brown probably would have won it for Seattle
>> anyway, and (b.) The Cowboys had so many holes, they weren't going very
>> deep
>> into the playoffs anyway.
>
> Squawks! Good one. Been a fan for 30 years and never heard that one.
> Sea-chickens is the more popular one.
>
> BTW....I thought the key to that game was the half yard, failure to get
> a first down play.
I've called them the Squawks since the franchise first started in the '70s.
Yeah, obviously that was a critical play. The surprising thing about that
play is that I always thought replay required "irrefutable evidence" to
overturn a decision made on the field. With the camera somewhat off-axis
from the line they were judging, it's impossible to say they had
"irrefutable" evidence. After all, as anyone who plays golf knows, if you
put a camera slightly off to an angle from "face on" in front of a player,
it can make the ball appear to be played anywhere from off the forward
instep to the center of the stance, and the camera doesn't have to be that
far off-center to create this illusion. I was shocked that they overturned
the spot.
But I'm still not convinced that the leaky Dallas defense would have held
the Squawks and kept them from scoring again and winning anyway.
Randy
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 11:53:10
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :
> : I was offering an opinion about signature spam and the irrelevance of
> : an outdated charter. I was not organizing a UIP, a mailing list, a
> : charter amendment, or any other means to implement my opinion.
>
> Hey dude, you're a one-man C-list in your dogged pursuit of
> Mike Dalecki. This is well known.
Apples and oranges.
> I guess what I'm saying in all seriousness is that if we're
> going to agree to relax some about adherence to charter and
> topic drift, we might as well quit picking nits altogether.
> That's all.
Exactly, which is the point of my OP to John.
I monitor a couple of boating forums....all moderated. One thing I
like about them is that they have a place for OT discussions. One
cleverly calls it, "Dock Talk." This is in line to what people are
looking for in forums....to share info about a common subject and if
desired, politics...sports....etc. with familiar people. RSG has
evolved into the same thing.....an un-moderated 19th hole, and that's a
good thing.
-Greg
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 23:29:48
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :> :
> :> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> :> t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
> :> :
> :> : You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
> :> : Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ;>
> :>
> :> Sorry, I just thought while we were all making up our own rules,
> :> I'd inject mine.
> :
> : Given your penchant for political discussion, I conclude that your
> : rules are the same as mine. The charter is irrelevant.
>
> Oh, I just thought as long as were making up rules about what
> can go in sig files, I'd make up rules about the use of vowels.
>
> Live and let live, motherfucker!
I was offering an opinion about signature spam and the irrelevance of
an outdated charter. I was not organizing a UIP, a mailing list, a
charter amendment, or any other means to implement my opinion.
Follow your own advice. Try to "live and let live" with my opinion
Asshole! ; >
-Greg
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 19:35:05
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: > :> :
: > :> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :> :> t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
: > :> :
: > :> : You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
: > :> : Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ;>
: > :>
: > :> Sorry, I just thought while we were all making up our own rules,
: > :> I'd inject mine.
: > :
: > : Given your penchant for political discussion, I conclude that your
: > : rules are the same as mine. The charter is irrelevant.
: >
: > Oh, I just thought as long as were making up rules about what
: > can go in sig files, I'd make up rules about the use of vowels.
: >
: > Live and let live, motherfucker!
:
: I was offering an opinion about signature spam and the irrelevance of
: an outdated charter. I was not organizing a UIP, a mailing list, a
: charter amendment, or any other means to implement my opinion.
Hey dude, you're a one-man C-list in your dogged pursuit of
Mike Dalecki. This is well known.
I guess what I'm saying in all seriousness is that if we're
going to agree to relax some about adherence to charter and
topic drift, we might as well quit picking nits altogether.
That's all.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:25:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
> :
> : You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
> : Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ;>
>
> Sorry, I just thought while we were all making up our own rules,
> I'd inject mine.
Given your penchant for political discussion, I conclude that your
rules are the same as mine. The charter is irrelevant.
-Greg
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:15:04
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :> t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
: > :
: > : You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
: > : Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ;>
: >
: > Sorry, I just thought while we were all making up our own rules,
: > I'd inject mine.
:
: Given your penchant for political discussion, I conclude that your
: rules are the same as mine. The charter is irrelevant.
Oh, I just thought as long as were making up rules about what
can go in sig files, I'd make up rules about the use of vowels.
Live and let live, motherfucker!
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:06:17
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Tuna debate? You really think the Cowboys should fire Bill Parcells?
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:38:10
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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annika1980 wrote:
> Tuna debate? You really think the Cowboys should fire Bill Parcells?
>
Not for two years, Romo needs some more seasoning.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:01:38
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
>
You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ; >
-Greg
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 01:58:35
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
:
: You Texans make my head hurt. First you have BK's spin of k Twain.
: Now you're trying to Hebrew-ize English. ; >
Sorry, I just thought while we were all making up our own rules,
I'd inject mine.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:24:54
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene wrote:
>
> Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
> accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
> knows....we need a good conservative around here.
"Good conservative?" Haha, Greg made a funny!
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:40:02
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1168993494.394861.275650@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>>
>> Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
>> accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
>> knows....we need a good conservative around here.
>
>
> "Good conservative?" Haha, Greg made a funny!
>
There are good ones --- it's just that there are no conservatives in the
present administration.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 15:28:11
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Scooter wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > John van der Pflum wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
> > > --
> > >
> >
> > Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
> > accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
> > knows....we need a good conservative around here.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> The charter is no longer relevant?
In practice, no.
Is advertising (above the signature
> line) ok now too?
I don't think signature line advertising is appropriate.
-Greg
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 00:05:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Scooter wrote:
: > Dene wrote:
: > > John van der Pflum wrote:
: > >
: > > >
: > > > Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
: > > > --
: > > >
: > >
: > > Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
: > > accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
: > > knows....we need a good conservative around here.
: > >
: > > -Greg
: >
: > The charter is no longer relevant?
:
: In practice, no.
:
: Is advertising (above the signature
: > line) ok now too?
:
: I don't think signature line advertising is appropriate.
t's nt rght t s vwls xcssvly, thr.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:33:40
From: Scooter
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Dene wrote:
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> >
> > Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
> > --
> >
>
> Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
> accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
> knows....we need a good conservative around here.
>
> -Greg
The charter is no longer relevant? Is advertising (above the signature
line) ok now too?
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:23:54
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"Scooter" <scooter060197@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168986819.827508.218640@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>> John van der Pflum wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
>> > --
>> >
>>
>> Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
>> accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
>> knows....we need a good conservative around here.
>>
I agree ---- are there any left? 8^))
I think conservatives have an equal right to be outraged at what was sold to
them.
>> -Greg
>
> The charter is no longer relevant? Is advertising (above the signature
> line) ok now too?
>
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 13:37:16
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
> --
>
Ya know John, you're beatin a dead horse. I think most people have
accepted RSG as a 19th hole. May I suggest you participate. Lord
knows....we need a good conservative around here.
-Greg
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 13:09:37
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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sfb wrote:
> There is no other explanation for not calling Bonds other than 3/4's of San
> Francisco is in her district. The big home run hitters - physically and
> number of dingers - were Bonds, Sosa, Thomas, and McGwire. They called Sosa,
> Thomas, and McGwire.
Of course, there couldn't possibly be no any other reason. Nancy
Pelosi, who was then House Minority Leader, said, you boys leave my
Barry alone. I'm sure you have lots of evidence for this. Dont' bother
providing it. I trust you.
>
> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1168958093.764402.247870@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > sfb wrote:
> >> While it is true that US territories have been exempt from the minimum
> >> wage
> >> law, Pelosi's bill extended it to all territories except Samoa where
> >> DeMonte
> >> has a large tune canning operation.
> >>
> >> Another example of the San Francisco connection Barry Bonds did not get
> >> called to testify at the infamous baseball steroid hearings where k
> >> McGwire made such an ass of himself.
> >
> > And you think that was Pelosi's doing?
> >
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 15:42:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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I agree with you that the Tuna debate misses the point.
Whether or not Bill Parcells returns for another season in Dallas really
doesn't matter. What matters is whether the bobbled snap will linger with
Tony Romo and give him the heebie-jeebies for the rest of his
career...regardless of who the coach is.
Randy
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:25:24
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:kIWdnS9vkNo0pTDYnZ2dnUVZ_h63nZ2d@giganews.com...
>I agree with you that the Tuna debate misses the point.
>
> Whether or not Bill Parcells returns for another season in Dallas really
> doesn't matter. What matters is whether the bobbled snap will linger with
> Tony Romo and give him the heebie-jeebies for the rest of his
> career...regardless of who the coach is.
>
> Randy
>
Prediction --- next year he doesn't hold for kicks.
But how many starting QB's do?
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 23:56:32
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote in message
news:45ad3a3f_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:kIWdnS9vkNo0pTDYnZ2dnUVZ_h63nZ2d@giganews.com...
>>I agree with you that the Tuna debate misses the point.
>>
>> Whether or not Bill Parcells returns for another season in Dallas really
>> doesn't matter. What matters is whether the bobbled snap will linger
>> with Tony Romo and give him the heebie-jeebies for the rest of his
>> career...regardless of who the coach is.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>
>
> Prediction --- next year he doesn't hold for kicks.
>
> But how many starting QB's do?
Not many.
The one thing that I keep telling myself that makes the loss palatable is
that even if the FG had been good, (a.) Dallas's leaky defense probably
would have let the 'Squawks move down the field and into field goal range in
the closing minute and Josh Brown probably would have won it for Seattle
anyway, and (b.) The Cowboys had so many holes, they weren't going very deep
into the playoffs anyway.
I just thank my lucky stars I'm not a San Diego fan. Having grown up in KC,
I still pull for the Chiefs, too, so I've been through that ty
Schottenheimer post-season nighte a few times already.
Randy
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Date: 18 Jan 2007 10:27:33
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:56:32 -0500, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>> But how many starting QB's do?
>
>
>Not many.
It is interesting that the Broncos starting quarterback for most of
the year held - and still does after he lost his starting job. He
had a great over his shoulder blind pass to the kicker for a play that
didn't do much except barely make a first down with virtually no time
left (and injure the kicker who had to kick the next play). This was
after he lost his starting job.
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Date: 18 Jan 2007 06:30:37
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:E6-dnR-LhIxuYDPYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com> wrote in message
> news:45ad3a3f_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>>
>> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:kIWdnS9vkNo0pTDYnZ2dnUVZ_h63nZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>I agree with you that the Tuna debate misses the point.
>>>
>>> Whether or not Bill Parcells returns for another season in Dallas really
>>> doesn't matter. What matters is whether the bobbled snap will linger
>>> with Tony Romo and give him the heebie-jeebies for the rest of his
>>> career...regardless of who the coach is.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>
>>
>> Prediction --- next year he doesn't hold for kicks.
>>
>> But how many starting QB's do?
>
>
> Not many.
>
> The one thing that I keep telling myself that makes the loss palatable is
> that even if the FG had been good, (a.) Dallas's leaky defense probably
> would have let the 'Squawks move down the field and into field goal range
> in the closing minute and Josh Brown probably would have won it for
> Seattle anyway, and (b.) The Cowboys had so many holes, they weren't going
> very deep into the playoffs anyway.
>
> I just thank my lucky stars I'm not a San Diego fan. Having grown up in
> KC, I still pull for the Chiefs, too, so I've been through that ty
> Schottenheimer post-season nighte a few times already.
>
> Randy
Up here Colt's fans are trying to figure out how they won with 2 crappy
performances by Manning.
And we are saying "Let's hope they don't test the Colt's defense for
whatever they took".
Now all we have to do is whip N.E. in the playoffs. ///sarcasm
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:03:03
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:kIWdnS9vkNo0pTDYnZ2dnUVZ_h63nZ2d@giganews.com...
>I agree with you that the Tuna debate misses the point.
>
> Whether or not Bill Parcells returns for another season in Dallas really
> doesn't matter. What matters is whether the bobbled snap will linger with
> Tony Romo and give him the heebie-jeebies for the rest of his
> career...regardless of who the coach is.
>
> Randy
perfect!
>
>
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 12:20:09
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:19:54 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
>So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is to
>require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
>currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
>minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
>without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
>plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
>
>It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for the
>rest of us..
Shouldn't the same argument be true for the Northern ianas who lost
their exemption?
The difficult thing to explain is why one island group lost its
exception and the other didn't.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 18:32:42
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:19:54 -0500, "George Hibbard"
: <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
:
: >So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is to
: >require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
: >currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
: >minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
: >without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
: >plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
: >
: >It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for the
: >rest of us..
:
:
: Shouldn't the same argument be true for the Northern ianas who lost
: their exemption?
:
: The difficult thing to explain is why one island group lost its
: exception and the other didn't.
It's not difficult at all. Worker abuse in the ANMI, due in part
to the Abramoff bribery, was rampant. In Samoa, not so much. Easy.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:11:40
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:32:42 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>: The difficult thing to explain is why one island group lost its
>: exception and the other didn't.
>
>It's not difficult at all. Worker abuse in the ANMI, due in part
>to the Abramoff bribery, was rampant. In Samoa, not so much. Easy.
Nonsense.
"American Samoa has had a smattering of its own negative publicity,
and an Education and Labor Committee aide said yesterday that Miller
probably will seek a review of the island's labor relations. Just last
month, the U.S. District Court in Hawaii upheld the conviction of a
Korean sweatshop owner, who held 17 workers in involuntary servitude
in American Samoa, imprisoning them in his garment factory compound."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801641.html
It all comes down to Democratic corruption and Pelosi given favorable
legislation to her corporate cronies in SF..
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:35:49
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:32:42 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >: The difficult thing to explain is why one island group lost its
: >: exception and the other didn't.
: >
: >It's not difficult at all. Worker abuse in the ANMI, due in part
: >to the Abramoff bribery, was rampant. In Samoa, not so much. Easy.
:
: Nonsense.
Not at all. The abuse in Samoa pales in comparison to the
ianas. It's not even close. Have you not even kept up
with the news for the last six years?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 20:51:41
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:35:49 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>: Nonsense.
>
>Not at all. The abuse in Samoa pales in comparison to the
>ianas. It's not even close. Have you not even kept up
>with the news for the last six years?
You can rationalize it anyway you want but this tuna bill smells of
corruption.
I'm really enjoying seeing the liberals squirm on this one. How
hypocritical can you get.
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:16:23
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:35:49 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >: Nonsense.
: >
: >Not at all. The abuse in Samoa pales in comparison to the
: >ianas. It's not even close. Have you not even kept up
: >with the news for the last six years?
:
: You can rationalize it anyway you want but this tuna bill smells of
: corruption.
Yes. Old Republican corruption, corrected at last. And, thanks to
your silly post-debate whining, the workers of Samoa will get to
share in the benefit, too. Way to go!
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:09:43
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> : On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:35:49 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> : <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
> :
> :>: Nonsense.
> :>
> :>Not at all. The abuse in Samoa pales in comparison to the
> :>ianas. It's not even close. Have you not even kept up
> :>with the news for the last six years?
> :
> : You can rationalize it anyway you want but this tuna bill smells of
> : corruption.
>
> Yes. Old Republican corruption, corrected at last. And, thanks to
> your silly post-debate whining, the workers of Samoa will get to
> share in the benefit, too. Way to go!
>
I thought your team was in charge? It appears that ever since the
election in November your team has been stumbling from one blunder to
another. I hope you enjoy your time in the spotlight, it hasn't even
heated up yet.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 06:34:55
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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sfb wrote:
> While it is true that US territories have been exempt from the minimum wage
> law, Pelosi's bill extended it to all territories except Samoa where DeMonte
> has a large tune canning operation.
>
> Another example of the San Francisco connection Barry Bonds did not get
> called to testify at the infamous baseball steroid hearings where k
> McGwire made such an ass of himself.
And you think that was Pelosi's doing?
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 11:22:35
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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There is no other explanation for not calling Bonds other than 3/4's of San
Francisco is in her district. The big home run hitters - physically and
number of dingers - were Bonds, Sosa, Thomas, and McGwire. They called Sosa,
Thomas, and McGwire.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1168958093.764402.247870@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> sfb wrote:
>> While it is true that US territories have been exempt from the minimum
>> wage
>> law, Pelosi's bill extended it to all territories except Samoa where
>> DeMonte
>> has a large tune canning operation.
>>
>> Another example of the San Francisco connection Barry Bonds did not get
>> called to testify at the infamous baseball steroid hearings where k
>> McGwire made such an ass of himself.
>
> And you think that was Pelosi's doing?
>
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 09:20:54
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:19:54 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
>The bottom line in this issue is that American Samoa has ALways been exempt
>from our minimum wage laws because the cost of living is MUCH lower than in
>this country, so the wage minimums controlled there by our Dept. of Commerce
>! are appropriately lower than in the continental US. NYC vs. American
>Samoa: no comparison, for one example.
>
>So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is to
>require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
>currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
>minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
>without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
>plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
>
>It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for the
>rest of us..
>
>Simplisticism is not a good idea.
>
>So all the bruhaha about corruption and favoritism is irrelevant.
>
>
Off-topic plonk-o-rama!
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 07:43:40
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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While it is true that US territories have been exempt from the minimum wage
law, Pelosi's bill extended it to all territories except Samoa where DeMonte
has a large tune canning operation.
Another example of the San Francisco connection Barry Bonds did not get
called to testify at the infamous baseball steroid hearings where k
McGwire made such an ass of himself.
"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
news:cvXqh.7475$O53.6184@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> The bottom line in this issue is that American Samoa has ALways been
> exempt from our minimum wage laws because the cost of living is MUCH lower
> than in this country, so the wage minimums controlled there by our Dept.
> of Commerce ! are appropriately lower than in the continental US. NYC vs.
> American Samoa: no comparison, for one example.
>
> So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is
> to require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
> currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
> minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
> without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
> plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
>
> It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for
> the rest of us..
>
> Simplisticism is not a good idea.
>
> So all the bruhaha about corruption and favoritism is irrelevant.
>
>
>
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 03:34:56
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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George Hibbard wrote:
> The bottom line in this issue is that American Samoa has ALways been exempt
> from our minimum wage laws because the cost of living is MUCH lower than in
> this country, so the wage minimums controlled there by our Dept. of Commerce
> ! are appropriately lower than in the continental US. NYC vs. American
> Samoa: no comparison, for one example.
>
> So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is to
> require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
> currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
> minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire territory
> without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
> plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
>
> It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for the
> rest of us..
>
> Simplisticism is not a good idea.
>
> So all the bruhaha about corruption and favoritism is irrelevant.
Got a lot of Del Monte stock?
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 06:07:34
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Tuna debate misses the point
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45AC4554.BA80B24E@att.net...
>
>
> George Hibbard wrote:
>
>> The bottom line in this issue is that American Samoa has ALways been
>> exempt
>> from our minimum wage laws because the cost of living is MUCH lower than
>> in
>> this country, so the wage minimums controlled there by our Dept. of
>> Commerce
>> ! are appropriately lower than in the continental US. NYC vs. American
>> Samoa: no comparison, for one example.
>>
>> So the real outfall of requiring AS to conform to THE NEW minimum wage is
>> to
>> require the owners to pay TWICE as much for their labor as they are
>> currently paying. Result: they LEAVE THE COUNTRY and resettle where US
>> minimums don't apply, leaving 80% of the workforce of the entire
>> territory
>> without work. Wunnerful! And finding another host workforce for their
>> plant is hardly likely to be difficult!
>>
>> It was with good reason that AS was exempted--for the sake of AS AND for
>> the
>> rest of us..
>>
>> Simplisticism is not a good idea.
>>
>> So all the bruhaha about corruption and favoritism is irrelevant.
>
> Got a lot of Del Monte stock?
>
>
I guess he has a good hypocrisy detector.
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