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Date: 07 Apr 2007 20:18:53
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Jacobsen?=
Subject: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
kurgan
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:07:28
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Apr 8, 7:32 am, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlo...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:27 am, "johnty" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > You've been oppressed for how long?
>
> I've been held back and minimized by your people for 56 years.
>
> Ed
I didn't know we RSGers had that much power?
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 11:08:26
From: adam henry
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:18:53 +0200, Søren Jacobsen
<kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk > wrote:
>That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>
>kurgan
if daly had done that his fat flabby arms would have come off his
torso.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 05:41:44
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On 8 Apr, 12:32, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlo...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:27 am, "johnty" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You've been oppressed for how long?
>
> I've been held back and minimized by your people for 56 years.
>
And who are 'my people'?
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 04:32:44
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Apr 8, 2:27 am, "johnty" <john...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> You've been oppressed for how long?
I've been held back and minimized by your people for 56 years.
Ed
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:56:25
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On 8-Apr-2007, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > You've been oppressed for how long?
>
>
> I've been held back and minimized by your people for 56 years.
Nice to have a ready made excuse.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 12:07:21
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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In article <1176031964.722547.283640@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I've been held back and minimized by your people for 56 years.
>
> Ed
You're a midget?
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 23:27:15
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On 7 Apr, 22:26, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlo...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > oh well, I put forth a question, and next thing you know Im being called
> > a racist...
>
> > some people must have serious issues...
>
> > kurgan
>
> Yes, that's what hundreds of years of oppression will get you.
You've been oppressed for how long?
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 22:35:05
From: JJVP
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Apr 7, 2:04 pm, S=F8ren Jacobsen <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk >
wrote:
> johnty wrote:
> > On 7 Apr, 19:18, S=F8ren Jacobsen <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk>
> > wrote:
> >> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a strok=
e?
>
> > No stroke.
>
> hmmm.. looked suspicious..
>
> dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
> but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
> trying to turn it into...
>
> kurgan
14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped
But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball
Q=2E A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the
ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The
player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he
is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player
deemed to have made a stroke?
A=2E No. The player has checked his downswing voluntarily by altering
the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing
carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
However, any doubt in such a case must be resolved against the player.
If, for example, the clubhead struck the ball there would be
insufficient evidence to support a claim that the player had not made
a stroke.
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 15:42:47
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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> Appleby looks as white as, well, as white as a ghost.
And I said it before 17.
Now it looks like Tiger will be in the final group, and they can just
show a Murder She Wrote rerun because the tournament is over. All you
Tiger Haters (and you closet cases who have a friend at work who's
black), will have to wait for Ernie Els to win some backwards
tournament in Europe, or for Phil to win 84 Lumber or whatever.
Eat it,
Ed
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 14:28:22
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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> You are an "idiot"-
Your wit has skewered me. Do you see Wetterich anywhere? Tiger ate him
up hours ago. Appleby looks as white as, well, as white as a ghost.
It says here Tiger catches Nicklaus before 2008.
Ed
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 14:26:42
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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> oh well, I put forth a question, and next thing you know Im being called
> a racist...
>
> some people must have serious issues...
>
> kurgan
Yes, that's what hundreds of years of oppression will get you. you're
okay, though, you asked your question for only good reasons.
Ed
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 15:29:35
From: 3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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"Søren Jacobsen" <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk > wrote in message
news:3412$4617e150$55daa1ea$650@news.galnet.dk...
> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>
> kurgan
No "intent" to hit the ball when he pulled out. Same as ball falling off
tee.
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 22:50:24
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Jacobsen?=
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina wrote:
> "Søren Jacobsen" <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk> wrote in message
> news:3412$4617e150$55daa1ea$650@news.galnet.dk...
>> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>>
>> kurgan
>
> No "intent" to hit the ball when he pulled out. Same as ball falling off
> tee.
>
>
but _when_ does the 'stroke' start?
im pretty sure he intended to hit the ball as he started the
downswing... at what point he decided no to is hard to say, ..
oh well, I put forth a question, and next thing you know Im being called
a racist...
some people must have serious issues...
kurgan
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 11:06:21
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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Søren Jacobsen wrote:
> but _when_ does the 'stroke' start?
>
> im pretty sure he intended to hit the ball as he started the
> downswing... at what point he decided no to is hard to say, ..
I am surprised no one has pointed this out.
From the 'Definitions' in the 'Rules of Golf'
/quote
STROKE
A 'stroke' is the forward movement of the club made with the intention
of striking at and moving the ball, but if the player checks his
downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not
made a stroke.
/unquote
cheers
david
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 01:21:46
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:06:21 +1000, david s-a
<dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>Søren Jacobsen wrote:
>
>> but _when_ does the 'stroke' start?
>>
>> im pretty sure he intended to hit the ball as he started the
>> downswing... at what point he decided no to is hard to say, ..
>
>
>I am surprised no one has pointed this out.
>
> From the 'Definitions' in the 'Rules of Golf'
>
>/quote
>
>STROKE
>
>A 'stroke' is the forward movement of the club made with the intention
>of striking at and moving the ball, but if the player checks his
>downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not
>made a stroke.
>
>/unquote
>
>cheers
>david
14/1.5 was pointed out earlier.
___,
\o
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 12:12:12
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
>
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> 14/1.5 was pointed out earlier.
I saw that Bobby....but with it being a 'Decision' it is not so readily
available to the average player. I was just surprised no one had picked
it up from the Rule book. Perhaps the Rule book is not so readily
available in USA either!
cheers
david
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:28:28
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:12:12 +1000, david s-a
<dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 14/1.5 was pointed out earlier.
>
>
>I saw that Bobby....but with it being a 'Decision' it is not so readily
>available to the average player. I was just surprised no one had picked
>it up from the Rule book. Perhaps the Rule book is not so readily
>available in USA either!
>
>cheers
>david
It's very readily available online. For those who don't have the URL:
http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/index.html
Getting the ruling is just dependent on where you look first I guess.
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\o
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 21:05:01
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:50:24 +0200, Søren Jacobsen
<kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk > wrote:
>3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina wrote:
>> "Søren Jacobsen" <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk> wrote in message
>> news:3412$4617e150$55daa1ea$650@news.galnet.dk...
>>> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>>>
>>> kurgan
>>
>> No "intent" to hit the ball when he pulled out. Same as ball falling off
>> tee.
>>
>>
>
>but _when_ does the 'stroke' start?
>
>im pretty sure he intended to hit the ball as he started the
>downswing... at what point he decided no to is hard to say, ..
You're intending to hit the ball when you put it on a tee. However,
you must try to hit the ball in order for it to be considered a
stroke. Here's even more on that, from the Rules of Golf:
14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped
But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball
Q. A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the
ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The
player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he
is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player
deemed to have made a stroke?
A. No. The player has checked his downswing voluntarily by altering
the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing
carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
>
>oh well, I put forth a question, and next thing you know Im being called
>a racist...
Ignore such stupid statements here on RSG.
___,
\o
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 16:31:24
From: Blagovast
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:50:24 +0200, Søren Jacobsen
> <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk> wrote:
>
>> 3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina wrote:
>>> "Søren Jacobsen" <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:3412$4617e150$55daa1ea$650@news.galnet.dk...
>>>> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>>>>
>>>> kurgan
>>> No "intent" to hit the ball when he pulled out. Same as ball falling off
>>> tee.
>>>
>>>
>> but _when_ does the 'stroke' start?
>>
>> im pretty sure he intended to hit the ball as he started the
>> downswing... at what point he decided no to is hard to say, ..
>
> You're intending to hit the ball when you put it on a tee. However,
> you must try to hit the ball in order for it to be considered a
> stroke. Here's even more on that, from the Rules of Golf:
>
> 14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped
> But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball
>
> Q. A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the
> ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The
> player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he
> is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player
> deemed to have made a stroke?
>
> A. No. The player has checked his downswing voluntarily by altering
> the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing
> carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
Looked to me though he tried to hit it and missed because he was
distracted - so I guess that puts me in the racist corner too :-)
Blago
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 23:15:17
From:
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> You're intending to hit the ball when you put it on a tee. However,
> you must try to hit the ball in order for it to be considered a
> stroke. Here's even more on that, from the Rules of Golf:
>
> 14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped
> But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball
>
> Q. A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the
> ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The
> player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he
> is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player
> deemed to have made a stroke?
>
> A. No. The player has checked his downswing voluntarily by altering
> the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing
> carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
>> oh well, I put forth a question, and next thing you know Im being called
>> a racist...
>
> Ignore such stupid statements here on RSG.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 12:14:59
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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> dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
> but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
> trying to turn it into...
>
> kurgan
didn't count out, SHOULDN'T have counted it. many news outlets showed
the rule. more racist hatred.
I'd bet right about now wetterich is looking at Tiger's 3rd round
score and shitting his pants. it's not like playing in Ft Worth.
Ed
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 15:56:41
From: Golfwichita
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1175973299.107490.126100@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
>> but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
>> trying to turn it into...
>>
>> kurgan
>
>
> didn't count out, SHOULDN'T have counted it. many news outlets showed
> the rule. more racist hatred.
>
> I'd bet right about now wetterich is looking at Tiger's 3rd round
> score and shitting his pants. it's not like playing in Ft Worth.
>
> Ed
>
You are an "idiot"
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 22:47:24
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Jacobsen?=
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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EdSmithers wrote:
>> dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
>> but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
>> trying to turn it into...
>>
>> kurgan
>
>
> didn't count out, SHOULDN'T have counted it. many news outlets showed
> the rule. more racist hatred.
>
??? 'racist hatred' where did that come from?
I thought we were talking about golf?
> I'd bet right about now wetterich is looking at Tiger's 3rd round
> score and shitting his pants. it's not like playing in Ft Worth.
>
> Ed
>
>
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 11:39:56
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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On 7 Apr, 19:18, S=F8ren Jacobsen <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk >
wrote:
> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>
No stroke.
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 21:04:15
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Jacobsen?=
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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johnty wrote:
> On 7 Apr, 19:18, Søren Jacobsen <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk>
> wrote:
>> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
>>
>
> No stroke.
>
>
hmmm.. looked suspicious..
dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
trying to turn it into...
kurgan
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 22:26:00
From: George Orwell
Subject: Re: Tigers 'pulling' the shot.. did he count a stroke?
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In article <20cb5$4617ebf5$55daa1ea$22081@news.galnet.dk >
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Jacobsen?= <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk > wrote:
>
> johnty wrote:
> > On 7 Apr, 19:18, Søren Jacobsen <kurgan@spammergoaway_kurgan.dk>
> > wrote:
> >> That looked really wierd, bu I didnt catch if he counted it as a stroke?
> >>
> >
> > No stroke.
> >
> >
> hmmm.. looked suspicious..
>
> dont get me wrong.. I have money riding on him this week..
> but its still a gentleman sport, no matter what some players are
> trying to turn it into...
DO NOT CRITICIZE WOODS. THE WRATH OF THE GROUP WILL FALL UPON YOU. But who cares about that. I already won money off the lad for calling at least one GODAMMIT on tv. Got that money already on Thursday. Hint....it's a gentleman's game alright but since there is a double standard with Woods, he does not have to follow that. Looks like this group maybe doesn't care so much about that part of the game anymore. Exactly what is seen on the courses these days.
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