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Date: 01 Oct 2006 05:22:04
From: annika1980
Subject: Tiger's Streak
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Tiger os about to win his 6th straight tournament (you can't count that
match play crap).
This from the PGA Tour's own website this AM:
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Six Straight In Sight
Tiger Woods enters the final day of the World Golf
Championships-American Express Championship with a comfortable lead.
Expectation is that the world No. 1 will bag his sixth straight PGA
TOUR victory on Sunday, but can any of those sharp-shooters behind him
put the heat on Woods?
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 07:36:42
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Darrell Jefress wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:452076D9.E393ADAF@att.net...
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> > Did you see that awful broadcast Tirico and co. did last monday. The guy
> > LOVES
> > the sound of his own voice, that's for sure. He KNOWS no one tuned in to
> > watch
> > the game!
>
> Actually, I didn't - but assuming you mean Monday Night Football, that
> broadcast actually had the highest (or was it #2?) audience in ESPN history.
> (Or is that not what you were getting at?)
>
> My experience with Tirico is that he's one of the best around, though maybe
> he was bad last Monday. (I hope it wasn't his idea to bring Spike Lee into
> the booth.)
>
Might have been, and I suspect that the ratings had more to do with the
Katrina/New Orleans issue that they kept going on about rather than
Tirico.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 06:53:26
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Darrell Jefress wrote:
> My experience with Tirico is that he's one of the best around, though maybe
> he was bad last Monday. (I hope it wasn't his idea to bring Spike Lee into
> the booth.)
Tirico thought it would be a good idea to have at least one black man
in the booth.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 06:50:16
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
>
> Did you see that awful broadcast Tirico and co. did last monday. The guy LOVES
> the sound of his own voice, that's for sure. He KNOWS no one tuned in to watch
> the game!
Actually, I tuned in to watch the football game, but was instead
treated to 3 hours of sap about how great everything is in New Orleans
now that the Superdome and it's luxury boxes are back in business. The
really sick thing was when they said that the money to rebuild the
Superdome came from FEMA. So football is top priority there, even
while over a million people have been displaced and many neighborhoods
still look like Baghdad and Ramala.
It's not surprising really. The first order of business is always to
get that dollar bill rolling. It's the same in my city ... to hell with
the homeless, we need more tourism!
Tirico also told the story of the Saints owner who was approached by a
guy in the street who had no job and no place to live, but had bought 6
Saints season tickets. Fuckin brilliant use of your FEMA money there,
dude.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:07:11
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Shintaro wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
> > Tiger os about to win his 6th straight tournament (you can't count that
> > match play crap).
>
> Just like Michelle Wie not counting the Par 3s in her score? The streak
> is over, get over it.
Oops, someone better tell the Press!
Tiger's win streak is over. His PGA Tour win steak is still intact.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 10:09:57
From: Shintaro
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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annika1980 wrote:
> Tiger os about to win his 6th straight tournament (you can't count that
> match play crap).
Just like Michelle Wie not counting the Par 3s in her score? The streak
is over, get over it.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 18:13:59
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"R&B" wrote:
> I'm not planning to attend. However, I am playing golf again with a bit
> more regularity. So maybe when you come down to the A-T-L, you should bring
> your sticks...and I will humble you (for once).
>
If you can get me a ticket for Sunday's round at East Lake, maybe I'll
let you wax my ass at Trophy Club that AM.
Oh shit, did I just come out of retirement? I better start practicin!
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 17:12:43
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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> How long do you think this streak will go?
I think it could extend to as many as he plays this year. I believe a
winter layoff could hurt his chances to continue it. Especially if he
starts tweaking his swing again.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:26:24
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"R&B" wrote:
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> The truth is, we don't know whether or not Byron Nelson competed in any
> other tournaments that were considered "unofficial" during his 11-in-a-row
> streak. He might very well have lost his local club championship during
> that streak (I doubt it, but he could have and we certainly wouldn't have
> known about it), which, of course, wouldn't have affected his "official"
> streak.
Actually, he won it. The Glen Garden Invitational was one of his 18
victories that year, although it wasn't part of his 11 in-a-row streak.
It's true, it's true.
>
> How long do you think this streak will go? Will it end at 6? He'll
> probably only play one, maybe two, tourament(s) the rest of this year on
> TOUR. (The TOUR Championship for sure, and maybe, just maybe, he'll play at
> Disney.)
Since you brought it up, will you be at the Tour Championship?
The Oldest Member and I will be making our annual pilgrimage during the
practice round day. We'd also like to go back on Sunday. Oh yeah,
we'll need passes.
-Annika ---- > America's Guest
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:28:19
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote
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> Since you brought it up, will you be at the Tour Championship?
> The Oldest Member and I will be making our annual pilgrimage during the
> practice round day. We'd also like to go back on Sunday. Oh yeah,
> we'll need passes.
I'm not planning to attend. However, I am playing golf again with a bit
more regularity. So maybe when you come down to the A-T-L, you should bring
your sticks...and I will humble you (for once).
Randy
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 22:01:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
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: "R&B" wrote:
: >
: > The truth is, we don't know whether or not Byron Nelson competed in any
: > other tournaments that were considered "unofficial" during his 11-in-a-row
: > streak. He might very well have lost his local club championship during
: > that streak (I doubt it, but he could have and we certainly wouldn't have
: > known about it), which, of course, wouldn't have affected his "official"
: > streak.
:
: Actually, he won it. The Glen Garden Invitational was one of his 18
: victories that year, although it wasn't part of his 11 in-a-row streak.
: It's true, it's true.
That wasn't his home club then. (He was an honorary member,
though.) I forget what club had him as pro then -- they were
all club pros in that era. Something worth considering.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:18:57
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Steven Paul wrote:
>>
>
> Cruises home by eight, plays the par 5 18th in just 13 strokes, and
> hits 65 GIR.
>
Hey, how about a fuckin "SPOILER!"
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 12:39:54
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"R&B" wrote:
> How long do you think this streak will go? Will it end at 6? He'll
> probably only play one, maybe two, tourament(s) the rest of this year on
> TOUR. (The TOUR Championship for sure, and maybe, just maybe, he'll play at
> Disney.) He could end the year with a streak of 7 heading into '07. After
> a couple of months off to refresh and recharge, he could come out stronger
> than ever and pick right up where he left off. Is 11-in-a-row out of the
> question?
I don't know, he played seven out of the last nine weeks (ala VJ) which
is very unusual for him, maybe it's a prescription to better play for
him, even though he says it burns him out. A shaky round or two after
a long vacation could be enough for another random hot player to win.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 13:39:13
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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In article <1159705324.754957.280900@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
> Tiger os about to win his 6th straight tournament (you can't count that
> match play crap).
Cruises home by eight, plays the par 5 18th in just 13 strokes, and
hits 65 GIR.
It's ridiculous how good he is.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:20:56
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote ...
> Tiger is about to win his 6th straight tournament
> (you can't count that match play crap).
Though some will try.
The truth is, we don't know whether or not Byron Nelson competed in any
other tournaments that were considered "unofficial" during his 11-in-a-row
streak. He might very well have lost his local club championship during
that streak (I doubt it, but he could have and we certainly wouldn't have
known about it), which, of course, wouldn't have affected his "official"
streak.
Same with Tiger's failure to win the match play thingee that was NOT an
"official" PGA TOUR event.
So now we have TWO six-in-a-row streaks we've witnessed by Tiger Woods. And
to think that this time, it's somewhat of a yawner inasmuch as very few have
considered it headline news the way his first six-in-a-row streak was. He
now owns the 2nd longest streak in professional golf...and he's done it
TWICE. Amazing.
What's next? A second "Tiger Slam?" Could happen. He's halfway there now,
and you know, as sure as you're sitting there reading this, he'll be favored
at Augusta.
Ever since the final round at the Western Open, he's been unstoppable.
Seems like a lifetime ago.
How long do you think this streak will go? Will it end at 6? He'll
probably only play one, maybe two, tourament(s) the rest of this year on
TOUR. (The TOUR Championship for sure, and maybe, just maybe, he'll play at
Disney.) He could end the year with a streak of 7 heading into '07. After
a couple of months off to refresh and recharge, he could come out stronger
than ever and pick right up where he left off. Is 11-in-a-row out of the
question? Could he run the table and win every tournament he enters next
year? I mean, I know that sounds preposterous on the surface, but is
*anything* out of the question with this guy? He just seems that much
better than everyone else.
Randy
> This from the PGA Tour's own website this AM:
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>
> Six Straight In Sight
>
> Tiger Woods enters the final day of the World Golf
> Championships-American Express Championship with a comfortable lead.
> Expectation is that the world No. 1 will bag his sixth straight PGA
> TOUR victory on Sunday, but can any of those sharp-shooters behind him
> put the heat on Woods?
>
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:17:55
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:1NWdnR2kEu1mm73YnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> How long do you think this streak will go? Will it end at 6? He'll
> probably only play one, maybe two, tourament(s) the rest of this year on
> TOUR. (The TOUR Championship for sure, and maybe, just maybe, he'll play
> at Disney.) He could end the year with a streak of 7 heading into '07.
> After a couple of months off to refresh and recharge, he could come out
> stronger than ever and pick right up where he left off. Is 11-in-a-row
> out of the question?
If you look at Tiger's typical schedule, it's interesting to see which
events would come up -
#7 - Tour Championship. TW's never had a lot of luck at Eastlake, though he
did finish second there a couple years ago. A possibility.
#8 - Mercedes at Kapalua. Tiger usually plays pretty well there. Refreshed
after a whole two weeks off since Sherwood, a win here is feasible
#9 - Torrey Pines. Two-time defending champion - if the streak is somehow
still alive, he's a big favorite here. However, that takes us to . . . .
#10 - Riviera. Tiger is 0-for-a-bunch here, for whatever reason. Not
looking good at this point
#11 - Accenture Match Play. New course in '07, but TW has won this twice,
and we know how tough he is in (singles) match play in general. If he has
managed to get past Riviera, that would make him a big favorite here.
#12 - Bay Hill. Sheez, he won this thing four years in a row and I think he
still owns his place next door in Isleworth. On the other hand, he's tanked
here the last three years. Could go either way, if he's been able to get
past all the other mine fields.
#13 - CA Championship. OK, he's the two-time defending champion at Doral,
and it's now a WGC event. Slam dunk, except there is no such thing in golf.
#14 - Masters. What can you say? Tiger loves Augusta.
#15 - I'm guessing Wachovia at Quail Hollow. He likes the course, but hasn't
come close to winning here.
#16 - Players' Champ at TPC Sawgrass. This one has been a thorn in his side
pretty much since "Better than Most".
Now, am I suggesting Tiger might win 13, 14, or 15 in a row? Not a chance.
Too many things would have to fit together too perfectly. I just can't
imagine him not running into a little swing problem sometime in the next
eight months, even if it just means he finishes 7th some week.
But looking at the courses up through #11, Eastlake and Riviera are the only
ones where he's not a clear favorite. It would be fun to watch, but can you
imagine the media fawning? CBS would have to bring out Dick Enberg.
DJJ
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 18:40:11
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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\"R&B\" wrote:
> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
> > Tiger is about to win his 6th straight tournament
> > (you can't count that match play crap).
>
> Though some will try.
Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though, so we
shall see, but if Tiger doesn't ackowledge it, who cares what Tirico thinks (who
cares what tirico thinks anyways?)? Some of the wins Nelson recorded look pretty
lame on paper anyways.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:01:40
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
> Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though, so
> we
> shall see, but if Tiger doesn't ackowledge it, who cares what Tirico
> thinks (who
> cares what tirico thinks anyways?)? Some of the wins Nelson recorded look
> pretty
> lame on paper anyways.
>
Tirico is off the broadcast - Deutsche Bank was his final event. Terry
Gannon, a nice guy but definitely a step down from MT, will finish out the
year.
DJJ
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:25:44
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Darrell Jefress wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
>
> > Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though, so
> > we
> > shall see, but if Tiger doesn't ackowledge it, who cares what Tirico
> > thinks (who
> > cares what tirico thinks anyways?)? Some of the wins Nelson recorded look
> > pretty
> > lame on paper anyways.
> >
>
> Tirico is off the broadcast - Deutsche Bank was his final event. Terry
> Gannon, a nice guy but definitely a step down from MT, will finish out the
> year.
Did you see that awful broadcast Tirico and co. did last monday. The guy LOVES
the sound of his own voice, that's for sure. He KNOWS no one tuned in to watch
the game!
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 03:12:37
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:452076D9.E393ADAF@att.net...
> Did you see that awful broadcast Tirico and co. did last monday. The guy
> LOVES
> the sound of his own voice, that's for sure. He KNOWS no one tuned in to
> watch
> the game!
Actually, I didn't - but assuming you mean Monday Night Football, that
broadcast actually had the highest (or was it #2?) audience in ESPN history.
(Or is that not what you were getting at?)
My experience with Tirico is that he's one of the best around, though maybe
he was bad last Monday. (I hope it wasn't his idea to bring Spike Lee into
the booth.)
DJJ
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:37:48
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
>
>
> \"R&B\" wrote:
>
>> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>> > Tiger is about to win his 6th straight tournament
>> > (you can't count that match play crap).
>>
>> Though some will try.
>
> Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though, so
> we
> shall see,
The PGA TOUR also has a record book, Rob, and one of the records contained
in it is the one for "wins in consecutive starts." Call it hype if you want
to. But it is a record that's kept.
> but if Tiger doesn't ackowledge it, who cares what Tirico thinks (who
> cares what tirico thinks anyways?)?
I'm sure Tiger doesn't. But you seem to. Enough that you've brought it up,
anyway.
> Some of the wins Nelson recorded look pretty
> lame on paper anyways.
Probably not to those who were competing back in those days. The
tournaments Nelson won were, in their day, the equivalent of today's TOUR
events. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't make them less
meaningful. I'm sure Ben Hogan and Jug McSpaden never heard of the Wachovia
Championship or the Deutsche Bank Championship or the Booz Allen Classic.
Doesn't mean they're not authentic tournaments to players of today.
Randy
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:35:02
From: rich
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:ioadnePmrczTwr3YnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
>>
>> Some of the wins Nelson recorded look pretty
>> lame on paper anyways.
>
>
> Probably not to those who were competing back in those days.
They seem to have been looked at as pretty lame to a fellow who knew a
little about it named Ben Hogan.
" It galled Hogan considerably that his ex-friend from the caddie yard and
fellow Texan, Byron Nelson was ruling golf with an iron hand. Nelson, was
said to be dangerously Haemophiliac and therefore spared the tedium of
National service. During Hogans absence from the tour, Nelson rewrote the
record books with 1944 & 1945 crammed with victories and par shattering
performances. To the public, Nelson became ‘Lord Nelson’ and newspaper
people, eager to sell papers, proclaimed him ‘Mr Golf.’ All this had a
tremendous motivating factor on Hogan, and upon his release in the latter
part of 1945, reestablished his dominance very quickly with five victories.
Said Hogan to his close friend Jimmy Deet after shooting 27 under par at
Portland and beating Nelson by 17 shots, "I guess that takes care of this Mr
Golf business." Nelson retired within months to the cattle ranch he had long
dreamed of and claimed was his reason for playing pro golf. Hogan continued
his relentless ch and in 1948 won 11 times with near perfect golf."
http://www.golflegends.org/ben-hogan.php
Rich
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 03:12:47
From: rich
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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Some points about Tiger's streaks.
1) Two were on par 70 courses and one was on a par 71. Pretty good for a
guy who supposedly needs a par 72 to do well.
2) In 24 rounds he was over par twice, each time by one stroke.
3) Only 3 of the 24 rounds were in the 70s
4) Average winning gin (counting 0 for the playoff win over Cink) 3.33
strokes
5) Stroke average 66.79
6) 2 majors, 2 WGC events and, 2 were in Europe.
Rich
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:23:51
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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\"R&B\" wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
> >
> >
> > \"R&B\" wrote:
> >
> >> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
> >> > Tiger is about to win his 6th straight tournament
> >> > (you can't count that match play crap).
> >>
> >> Though some will try.
> >
> > Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though, so
> > we
> > shall see,
>
> The PGA TOUR also has a record book, Rob, and one of the records contained
> in it is the one for "wins in consecutive starts." Call it hype if you want
> to. But it is a record that's kept.
The PGA Tour can keep it's records, and that's fine, but the fact is that Woods
played and lost in a top level pro tournament. If the PGA Tour wants to hype a
streak of it's own events, it is free to do so, but the simple observation is
that Woods entered a tournament did not win it. I doubt strongly that I would be
the only one to scoff at such a lame "record", and by the record, Tiger Wooods
himself feels the same way I do! Funny how I argue with one person about the
anti-american internationalist world view, and for the absolute legitimation of
a Euro tour event with you!
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:18:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45207668.751BFD9E@att.net...
>
>
> \"R&B\" wrote:
>
>> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:452009A8.4479ED48@att.net...
>> >
>> >
>> > \"R&B\" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>> >> > Tiger is about to win his 6th straight tournament
>> >> > (you can't count that match play crap).
>> >>
>> >> Though some will try.
>> >
>> > Like Tiger, for example, and he has. The media wants their hype though,
>> > so
>> > we
>> > shall see,
>>
>> The PGA TOUR also has a record book, Rob, and one of the records
>> contained
>> in it is the one for "wins in consecutive starts." Call it hype if you
>> want
>> to. But it is a record that's kept.
>
> The PGA Tour can keep it's records, and that's fine, but the fact is that
> Woods
> played and lost in a top level pro tournament. If the PGA Tour wants to
> hype a
> streak of it's own events, it is free to do so, but the simple observation
> is
> that Woods entered a tournament did not win it. I doubt strongly that I
> would be
> the only one to scoff at such a lame "record", and by the record, Tiger
> Wooods
> himself feels the same way I do! Funny how I argue with one person about
> the
> anti-american internationalist world view, and for the absolute
> legitimation of
> a Euro tour event with you!
I'm not arguing. I'm stating a fact.
If the 1972 Miami Dolphins got together at a company picnic that fall and
played a flag football game with the players' wives and threw the game,
letting the wives win, it wouldn't mean the Dolphins' perfect 17-0 season
record would get thrown out the window once the public became aware that
they'd lost a game that year.
That's what you're arguing -- that all events, whether or not they're PGA
TOUR events, should be factored into the records.
The streak is a PGA TOUR streak. Nothing more.
Randy
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