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Date: 08 Apr 2007 12:36:50
From: multi
Subject: Tiger never lost a lead?
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Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
2000 PGA?
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 01:27:28
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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On Apr 8, 5:27 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
> "multi" <m...@asm.org> wrote in message
>
> news:hpoi13h6i6gnnniqs9fma5gof6o7421k5p@4ax.com...
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> > On 8 Apr 2007 14:19:11 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Apr 8, 3:36 pm, multi <m...@asm.org> wrote:
> >>> Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
> >>> Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
> >>> 2000 PGA?
>
> >>He's never lost the tournament when he's had the lead going into the
> >>3rd round.
>
> > That's a different stat, and not what Faldo was referring to in the
> > statements I'm talking about. He made it very clear that he was
> > talking about losing a lead during a round.
>
> He was mistaken.
>
> But remember, he was trained in broadcasting by ABC. He'll learn.
>
> Speaking of which, I noticed a couple of glaring errors by the two new CBS
> commentators who came over from ABC. I have no doubt Augusta National will
> mention this to them.
>
> For one, Ian Baker Finch referred (on Saturday, I believe) to a player being
> "2 over 'for the championship'." While that's the correct language for the
> US Open, British Open or PGA, the preferred vernacular at Augusta would be
> to say he was "2 over 'for the tournament'."
>
> And I noticed Nick Faldo use the "H word" ("hell") during Saturday's
> telecast. While hell is not going to prompt a shitstorm reaction from the
> FCC like we saw in the aftermath of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction a
> few years ago, it's hard to imagine the stuffed shirts at Augusta National
> condoning such language from their commentators.
>
> I imagine both those boys will get a stern talking-to, if they haven't
> already.
>
> Randy
>
> Randy
Did you/PGA radio broadcast the Masters? If so, how anal were the
green jackets with you?
-Greg
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 08:14:53
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176107248.257160.126470@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 5:27 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>> "multi" <m...@asm.org> wrote in message
>>
>> news:hpoi13h6i6gnnniqs9fma5gof6o7421k5p@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On 8 Apr 2007 14:19:11 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Apr 8, 3:36 pm, multi <m...@asm.org> wrote:
>> >>> Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
>> >>> Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
>> >>> 2000 PGA?
>>
>> >>He's never lost the tournament when he's had the lead going into the
>> >>3rd round.
>>
>> > That's a different stat, and not what Faldo was referring to in the
>> > statements I'm talking about. He made it very clear that he was
>> > talking about losing a lead during a round.
>>
>> He was mistaken.
>>
>> But remember, he was trained in broadcasting by ABC. He'll learn.
>>
>> Speaking of which, I noticed a couple of glaring errors by the two new
>> CBS
>> commentators who came over from ABC. I have no doubt Augusta National
>> will
>> mention this to them.
>>
>> For one, Ian Baker Finch referred (on Saturday, I believe) to a player
>> being
>> "2 over 'for the championship'." While that's the correct language for
>> the
>> US Open, British Open or PGA, the preferred vernacular at Augusta would
>> be
>> to say he was "2 over 'for the tournament'."
>>
>> And I noticed Nick Faldo use the "H word" ("hell") during Saturday's
>> telecast. While hell is not going to prompt a shitstorm reaction from
>> the
>> FCC like we saw in the aftermath of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction
>> a
>> few years ago, it's hard to imagine the stuffed shirts at Augusta
>> National
>> condoning such language from their commentators.
>>
>> I imagine both those boys will get a stern talking-to, if they haven't
>> already.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Randy
>
> Did you/PGA radio broadcast the Masters? If so, how anal were the
> green jackets with you?
>
> -Greg
I did. And because we weren't a network partner, they didn't have a thing
to say to us.
I never sat in on any of the meetings that occurred between Augusta National
and CBS, but I did sit in on a meeting or two between the PGA TOUR and NBC,
with Dan Hicks, Johnny Miller and the rest of NBC's team gathered around a
large table with Tim Finchem and the rest of the TOUR brass just before The
PLAYERS. So I've got a pretty good idea of what happens when a governing
body dictates to their network partner how they want their event to be
presented.
I've also visited with some of my co-workers who sat in on meetings between
their network (when they were also doing TV) and the USGA concerning
coverage of the US Open.
I know, for instance, from having sat through the meeting, that the PGA TOUR
insisted that NBC give considerable coverage to as many players as possible
at The PLAYERS Championship, particularly on Saturday coverage, not just the
small handful that populated the front page of the leaderboard.
And I know, from having spoken with one of on-air talents involved in past
US Open telecasts, that the USGA gave their network partner specific
instructions concerning certain language. For instance, they're not "pin
positions," they're "hole locations." In fact, they're not "pins" at all,
they're "flagsticks."
I also assume -- and I don't think it's too much of a leap to make the
assumption -- that Augusta National, which keeps CBS on a fairly short leash
with its half-century of one-year renewal agreements, exerts considerably
more control over CBS's style of presentation of The Masters than the PGA
TOUR does over NBC's coverage of The PLAYERS Championship.
That they would dictate such language as "patrons" instead of allowing the
commentators to refer to them as "fans" or "the gallery" is not at all
surprising to me, especially after Augusta National forced CBS to fire Jack
Whittaker many years ago after he referred to a chaotic scene involving
patrons as a "mob scene."
And of course you all know the story of Gary McCord and how he was removed
from The Masters telecasts following his "bikini wax" and "body bags"
comments.
While I think it's fair to say Augusta National is considerably more
heavy-handed in dictating style to its network partner than the PGA TOUR and
USGA are, it's also fair to say that The Masters telecast is in a class by
itself, and the lessons learned by CBS in doing The Masters filters down in
many ways to their other golf telecasts throughout the year that make them,
in the minds of most people, the best network -- by far -- at covering golf.
So maybe Augusta National is doing something right by maintaining such tight
control.
Randy
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 14:19:11
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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On Apr 8, 3:36 pm, multi <m...@asm.org > wrote:
> Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
> Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
> 2000 PGA?
He's never lost the tournament when he's had the lead going into the
3rd round. Semantics.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 14:50:49
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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On 8 Apr 2007 14:19:11 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:
>On Apr 8, 3:36 pm, multi <m...@asm.org> wrote:
>> Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
>> Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
>> 2000 PGA?
>
>He's never lost the tournament when he's had the lead going into the
>3rd round.
That's a different stat, and not what Faldo was referring to in the
statements I'm talking about. He made it very clear that he was
talking about losing a lead during a round.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:27:12
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
news:hpoi13h6i6gnnniqs9fma5gof6o7421k5p@4ax.com...
> On 8 Apr 2007 14:19:11 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 8, 3:36 pm, multi <m...@asm.org> wrote:
>>> Faldo keeps saying that Tiger has never lost a lead in a major.
>>> Didn't he trade the lead back and forth with Bob May all day in the
>>> 2000 PGA?
>>
>>He's never lost the tournament when he's had the lead going into the
>>3rd round.
>
> That's a different stat, and not what Faldo was referring to in the
> statements I'm talking about. He made it very clear that he was
> talking about losing a lead during a round.
He was mistaken.
But remember, he was trained in broadcasting by ABC. He'll learn.
Speaking of which, I noticed a couple of glaring errors by the two new CBS
commentators who came over from ABC. I have no doubt Augusta National will
mention this to them.
For one, Ian Baker Finch referred (on Saturday, I believe) to a player being
"2 over 'for the championship'." While that's the correct language for the
US Open, British Open or PGA, the preferred vernacular at Augusta would be
to say he was "2 over 'for the tournament'."
And I noticed Nick Faldo use the "H word" ("hell") during Saturday's
telecast. While hell is not going to prompt a shitstorm reaction from the
FCC like we saw in the aftermath of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction a
few years ago, it's hard to imagine the stuffed shirts at Augusta National
condoning such language from their commentators.
I imagine both those boys will get a stern talking-to, if they haven't
already.
Randy
Randy
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 01:11:25
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
> Speaking of which, I noticed a couple of glaring errors by the two new CBS
> commentators who came over from ABC. I have no doubt Augusta National will
> mention this to them.
>
> For one, Ian Baker Finch referred (on Saturday, I believe) to a player being
> "2 over 'for the championship'." While that's the correct language for the
> US Open, British Open or PGA, the preferred vernacular at Augusta would be
> to say he was "2 over 'for the tournament'."
>
> And I noticed Nick Faldo use the "H word" ("hell") during Saturday's
> telecast. While hell is not going to prompt a shitstorm reaction from the
> FCC like we saw in the aftermath of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction a
> few years ago, it's hard to imagine the stuffed shirts at Augusta National
> condoning such language from their commentators.
>
> I imagine both those boys will get a stern talking-to, if they haven't
> already.
I also noticed that Faldo returned to it as the "back nine" rather
than the "second nine." He probably gets a mere wrist-slap for that.
In general, I would guess that Faldo probably gets a looser leash
than most, being the owner of multiple green jackets.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:52:28
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:11:25 -0000, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> I would guess that Faldo probably gets a looser leash
>than most, being the owner of multiple green jackets.
He has made history there, and witnessed it, as well. They showed
Crenshaw's 50-mile putt, and there playing with him was Faldo.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 02:14:24
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Tiger never lost a lead?
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multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:11:25 -0000, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>> I would guess that Faldo probably gets a looser leash
>>than most, being the owner of multiple green jackets.
>
> He has made history there, and witnessed it, as well. They showed
> Crenshaw's 50-mile putt, and there playing with him was Faldo.
Don't forget the first two rounds of '97. Faldo was there for
40-30.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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