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Date: 30 Sep 2006 17:32:10
From: multi
Subject: Tiger getting too jaded
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There's still time to change his mind, but it's starting to look like
Tiger really doesn't care about the Vardon Trophy, and will play just
one more official event this year --- the Tour Championship. That
makes two awards that most golfers would kill for, the Order of Merit
and the Vardon, that he is essentially refusing this year.
Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
not interested.
I don't fault him for not going for the Order of Merit --- he hasn't
been home for a month, and it would be kind of chickenshit to grab it
out from under the Euros, even though he earned it fair and square.
But giving away the Vardon because he'd rather make commercials is
kind of disgusting, and disrespectful to the game's traditions.
He's not a lock for the Vardon, but he has a big lead, and could shoot
very mediocre scores in two more events to win it. He's playing the
Tour Championship, so he just needs one more, and he could sleep in
his own bed when he plays the Disney, but a reporter asked him
yesterday whether the Vardon was important to him, and he said, "Not
really." Too bad, because it's one of the game's most respected
awards. I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
majors are all that matters.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 04:56:15
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"R&B" wrote:
> "multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote in message
> news:0u21i25c40kunri7isdha1lljai1ght8da@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:40:25 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >>Cute. You are one funny guy, multi.
> >>
> >>Not funny in a laugh-out-loud kinda way. Funny in a queer sort of way.
> >>Y'know?
> >
> > Sorry. If I had known it would bring out the second-grader in you, I
> > wouldn't have pointed out the inconsistencies in your arguments.
>
>
> And you consider name-calling something more mature?
>
> Randy
I can't believe you bastards have resorted to name-calling.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 16:15:12
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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multi wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:44:28 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
> >
> >>The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
> >>year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
> >>that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
> >>So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
> >>cheapened.
> >
> >Looking around, I see competitors proud of winning even when their
> >most fearsome opponent somehow didn't make it to the title match.
>
> If they lost along the way, or were injured, sure. But what if they
> just said they'd rather sleep in that Sunday?
Somehow I don't think Furyk will be celebrating. He'll accept the
trophy out of respect, but I doubt he'll do any cartwheels.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 16:14:08
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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> >>If you will reread the first sentence of my original post, you will
> >>see that I don't claim any such knowledge. What I do know is that he
> >>said he didn't consider the Vardon to be important, and I find that
> >>disappointing.
> >
> >But that is his right to have different priorities than we have.
>
> You brute. What about my feellings? I suppose you think it's OK that
> Britney ried K-Fed, too.
Very nice. I actually laughed out loud at that one. Insensitive
bastards.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 13:55:16
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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In article <1o1uh2d39kh7dqfd8dv4ud75u1u80b3lss@4ax.com >, multi
<multi@asm.org > wrote:
> Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
> events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
> is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
> not interested.
I don't know how it was in the U.S., but here we got live coverage of
this tournament, with British announcers. They were talking about the
Order of Merit and who might win it, and they never even mentioned
Tiger.
One thing they did say is that for some tournaments less than 100% of
the money counts towards the OOM. The amex, for instance, had some cap
on it.
Are you sure he could do it?
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 15:26:50
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:55:16 -0600, Steven Paul
<listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote:
>In article <1o1uh2d39kh7dqfd8dv4ud75u1u80b3lss@4ax.com>, multi
><multi@asm.org> wrote:
>
>> Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
>> events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
>> is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
>> not interested.
>
>I don't know how it was in the U.S., but here we got live coverage of
>this tournament, with British announcers. They were talking about the
>Order of Merit and who might win it, and they never even mentioned
>Tiger.
AFAIK, nobody mentions it, except me and the people who read my posts.
I'm used to that, but unlike many of the subjects in that category,
this is not a matter of opinion. The amounts of money that players
have won in OOM events are objective facts.
>One thing they did say is that for some tournaments less than 100% of
>the money counts towards the OOM. The amex, for instance, had some cap
>on it.
>
>Are you sure he could do it?
No question about it. The official leader, Paul Casey, has won
E2,286,281 (about $2.9 million) as of today. By my reckoning, Tiger
has won about $5.26 million (yes, just in 2006 Euro-sanctioned
events). I don't know how they cap the majors and WGCs, but if it's a
million each, he's won 4 million just since July.
I haven't bothered to figure it up, but I'm pretty sure Tiger has also
become the career leader in Euro Tour earnings. Monty is the official
leader with E21.3 million. Tiger should have about that, just with
his 24 wins in the majors and WGCs. His six other Euro Tour wins,
along with his high placings in other Euros, majors, and WGCs, should
put him comfortably over the top. Today's win also ties him with
Monty for career Euro-sanctioned victories, at 30.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:30:47
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
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> AFAIK, nobody mentions it, except me and the people who read my posts.
> I'm used to that, but unlike many of the subjects in that category,
> this is not a matter of opinion. The amounts of money that players
> have won in OOM events are objective facts.
Does one have to be a Tour member to be eligible? Could be that no matter
how much he wins, he wouldn't be eligible. And we'd really have to find out
how much the "cap" is on earnings. Looks like Casey got "credit" for just
under 600k Euros for his match play win, if I'm reading their web site
correctly.
As for the Vardon - could be that because TW already has five or six,
another one means less than it might otherwise.
All just speculation on my part.
DJJ
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 21:15:45
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:30:47 GMT, "Darrell Jefress" <evely7@tokyo.com >
wrote:
>
>"multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote in message
>news:35g0i2tt17qdt5di2200263c2hopm9t1om@4ax.com...
>
>> AFAIK, nobody mentions it, except me and the people who read my posts.
>> I'm used to that, but unlike many of the subjects in that category,
>> this is not a matter of opinion. The amounts of money that players
>> have won in OOM events are objective facts.
>
>Does one have to be a Tour member to be eligible?
Of course. So I guess he would have to fill out a form and pay a
hundred bucks or something. Actually, it's amazing how hard it is to
find this stuff out. You would think that things like eligibility and
cap amounts would be easily locatable on their web site.
> Could be that no matter
>how much he wins, he wouldn't be eligible. And we'd really have to find out
>how much the "cap" is on earnings. Looks like Casey got "credit" for just
>under 600k Euros for his match play win, if I'm reading their web site
>correctly.
Well, the prize money at the Wentworth was insane, especially for a
16-man field, so they *should* have capped it. Beating a full field
in a major is different. At any rate, I used the Euro site to get
Tiger's earnings in Euro events, so I assume they reflect any caps.
Unfortunately, my eyes are showing their age, and I didn't notice that
the amounts were in Euros for all but today's Amex, so he's actually
won well over $6 million in OOM events, more than double Casey's
total.
>As for the Vardon - could be that because TW already has five or six,
>another one means less than it might otherwise.
I can certainly understand his 7th being less important to him than
his first. That doesn't mean it should be less important than making
yet another commercial. And no matter how easy it seems now, there
will come a time when he wishes he could win another Vardon, but
can't. One slip on the ski slopes, and that time could be next year.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 00:35:49
From: Jack Thompson
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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multi wrote:
>
> The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
> year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
> that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
> So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
> cheapened. For how long, I don't know, but somebody like Tiger, who
> considers himself a golf historian, should not be playing any part in
> cheapening it for even one year.
Don't be so sure. I have a feeling Furyk will be celebrating like the
wild party animal that he is. I just hope they don't have to call the
cops like when he won the US Open and he and his family went completely
apeshit at Denny's.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 01:31:44
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote ...
>
> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
> majors are all that matters.
As did Jack.
They're right.
Randy
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:48:30
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:31:44 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>> majors are all that matters.
>
>
>As did Jack.
Jack is the one who defined number of majors as being all that
mattered.
>They're right.
I disagree.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:52:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote ...
>
> Jack is the one who defined number of majors as being all that
> mattered.
>
>>They're right.
>
> I disagree.
Well, in point of fact, I have mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand, I certainly wouldn't dismiss Sam Snead in discussions of
the "Best ever," if only because he's the winningest player in the history
of the PGA TOUR, even though his majors are fewer in number than many others
who I might not rank ahead of him on the "best ever" list.
That said, where I think major championship victories tend to separate the
wheat from the chaff is that most professional athletes will tell you that
the true measure of greatness is whether a player can raise the level of his
play when it matters most. Clearly, it never matters more in golf than at
major championships. They are golf's version of the World Series, Super
Bowl, NBA Finals, Stanley Cup, etc.
Fran Tarkenton was a *great* NFL quarterback, and his statistics back up
that claim. So was Dan ino. But neither of these men ever won a league
championship, and between the two of them, they lost four times when
presented with the opportunity. Now, while football is a team sport and the
losses can't be laid at the feet of one player on the losing team, it is
nonetheless of fact of life for athletes that these two men's "greatness"
will be tainted somewhat in the minds of most fans by the fact that neither
could "win the big game."
Would Michael Jordan be thought of as the mega-superstar he is today if he
hadn't led his Chicago Bulls to SIX world championships (three-in-a-row
TWICE)? What about Magic Johnson and Kareem? Would they cast as long of a
shadow on the NBA if they hadn't been responsible for helping the Lakers
hang World Championship banner after banner in their arena? Wouldn't
Shaquille O'Neal be just another loud, obnoxious basketball player without
all those NBA championship rings?
Do you get my drift here?
I'm not saying Colin Montgomerie is nothing because he's never won a major.
Clearly seven straight Orders of Merit on the European Tour counts for
something. Hell, it counts for A LOT!!! But Monty's career would,
undoubtedly, be viewed as more "complete" if he'd have won a major somewhere
along the way, instead of letting it slip through his fingers on the, now,
three times (and counting) when he's had it almost within his grasp.
It is that fleeting moment in sport when a professional athlete has the
chance to step up and grab the ring that he waits his whole life to
experience. Getting to test one's self in that situation is what they live
for, or at least, it's what they dream of doing. It seems only a select few
ever actually find out they're up to the challenge.
And those are the ones who are remembered as GREAT ONES.
Randy
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 00:23:47
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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Randy,
I've got a question about Jon Benet. Do you think she was really raised to
have oral sex with 'friends' of their parents? This has been bugging the
crap out of me.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 00:25:13
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
news:zf3Ug.1438$v43.78@fed1read02...
> Randy,
> I've got a question about Jon Benet. Do you think she was really raised to
> have oral sex with 'friends' of their parents? This has been bugging the
> crap out of me.
That was Annika 1980 that posted that, right ... sorry.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:16:14
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:52:25 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>On the one hand, I certainly wouldn't dismiss Sam Snead in discussions of
>the "Best ever," if only because he's the winningest player in the history
>of the PGA TOUR, even though his majors are fewer in number than many others
>who I might not rank ahead of him on the "best ever" list.
>
>That said, where I think major championship victories tend to separate the
>wheat from the chaff is that most professional athletes will tell you that
>the true measure of greatness is whether a player can raise the level of his
>play when it matters most. Clearly, it never matters more in golf than at
>major championships. They are golf's version of the World Series, Super
>Bowl, NBA Finals, Stanley Cup, etc.
But they didn't use to be golf's World Series. There's no way I
would rank Hagan ahead of Snead - because majors weren't the
measurement of greatness when they were playing.
Nowadays, multimillionaire golfers pass up chances to earn more
millions to prepare for winning Majors. Players used to pass up The
Open so that they could earn enough money to feed their families.
Majors may be the important thing for the modern tour - because Jack
so defined it and players such as Tiger accept that definition.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 00:32:19
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:31:44 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>"multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote ...
>>
>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>> majors are all that matters.
>
>
>As did Jack.
>
>They're right.
So, until this summer, Walter Hagen was the second greatest golfer of
all time? And the reason you got so upset when I said that Jug
McSpaden had a fairly undistinguished record before the war, is that I
should have said he was an absolute zero his entire life?
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:40:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:31:44 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>"multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote ...
>>>
>>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>>> majors are all that matters.
>>
>>
>>As did Jack.
>>
>>They're right.
>
> So, until this summer, Walter Hagen was the second greatest golfer of
> all time?
An argument could be made that he was. I would not be the one making that
argument, but I think it *is* fair to say that Hagan is often overlooked in
those discussions about "best ever" because, well, frankly, there just
aren't that many still alive who were familiar with his play and could be an
advocate on his behalf.
> And the reason you got so upset when I said that Jug
> McSpaden had a fairly undistinguished record before the war, is that I
> should have said he was an absolute zero his entire life?
Cute. You are one funny guy, multi.
Not funny in a laugh-out-loud kinda way. Funny in a queer sort of way.
Y'know?
Randy
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 00:20:48
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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Nice fella.
""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
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> "multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote in message
> news:3eruh2phqnj39mthm35v3dn8u1kvm7bo49@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:31:44 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"multi" <multi@asm.org> wrote ...
>>>>
>>>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>>>> majors are all that matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>As did Jack.
>>>
>>>They're right.
>>
>> So, until this summer, Walter Hagen was the second greatest golfer of
>> all time?
>
>
> An argument could be made that he was. I would not be the one making that
> argument, but I think it *is* fair to say that Hagan is often overlooked
> in those discussions about "best ever" because, well, frankly, there just
> aren't that many still alive who were familiar with his play and could be
> an advocate on his behalf.
>
>> And the reason you got so upset when I said that Jug
>> McSpaden had a fairly undistinguished record before the war, is that I
>> should have said he was an absolute zero his entire life?
>
>
> Cute. You are one funny guy, multi.
>
> Not funny in a laugh-out-loud kinda way. Funny in a queer sort of way.
> Y'know?
>
> Randy
>
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:57:36
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:40:25 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>Cute. You are one funny guy, multi.
>
>Not funny in a laugh-out-loud kinda way. Funny in a queer sort of way.
>Y'know?
Sorry. If I had known it would bring out the second-grader in you, I
wouldn't have pointed out the inconsistencies in your arguments.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:19:35
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:40:25 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>Cute. You are one funny guy, multi.
>>
>>Not funny in a laugh-out-loud kinda way. Funny in a queer sort of way.
>>Y'know?
>
> Sorry. If I had known it would bring out the second-grader in you, I
> wouldn't have pointed out the inconsistencies in your arguments.
And you consider name-calling something more mature?
Randy
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 02:08:47
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Putter fitting fun
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:56:28 -0700, pete z wrote:
> Wayne wrote:
>> So, I went out and played for 2nd time in a month today and after being
>> completely and totally clueless on the greens, I'd had enough. I
>> headed to Golftown with putter in hand (Ping CrazE G2), ready for a
>> change. Of course, Randy's post about his new toys did nothing to put
>> this idea of a need for change in my mind...
> If I played twice a month, I would not be looking at my putter for the
> cause of my poor putting. But, that's just me. You might go a little
> crazy, and try playing 3 or 4 timres a month.
I believe Wayne is a pretty good player. He isn't playing a lot but that
doesn't mean he can't. Or can't benefit from fitted equipment.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 05:52:12
From: spring
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"Jack Thompson" <jacqueszmonkey@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> multi wrote:
>
>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>> majors are all that matters.
>
> Golf is about beating Jack's majors record to him.
>
> Everything else is not worth caring about. He hardly seemed too
> distraught after the Ryder Cup.
>
Before posting I wanted to see if anyone got it right...
Yes it has always been about 18 or more, and everything else is gravy. I too
can only hope I live long enough to see that :-)
For the life of me TW is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.
Bill
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 20:52:29
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On 30 Sep 2006 19:11:31 -0700, "Jack Thompson"
<jacqueszmonkey@aol.com > wrote:
>
>multi wrote:
>
>> I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
>> majors are all that matters.
>
>Golf is about beating Jack's majors record to him.
>
>Everything else is not worth caring about. He hardly seemed too
>distraught after the Ryder Cup.
He has less to be distraught about than just about anybody else who
ever lived.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 18:46:48
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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I agree it would be good for Tiger to get the official scoring title.
Annika was really ticked when she blew a chance to get the LPGA scoring
title a year or two ago by not playing in enough events. But here's a
strange one: Jack Nicklaus never won the scoring title. Not once! Maybe
that has something to do with Tiger's indifference.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 20:50:06
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On 30 Sep 2006 18:46:48 -0700, art@nbcoa.com wrote:
>I agree it would be good for Tiger to get the official scoring title.
>Annika was really ticked when she blew a chance to get the LPGA scoring
>title a year or two ago by not playing in enough events. But here's a
>strange one: Jack Nicklaus never won the scoring title. Not once! Maybe
>that has something to do with Tiger's indifference.
Jack claims he won the scoring title eight times. I have been trying
to find out for years why he never got a Vardon, but so far, no luck.
And in case you're new to the debate, he played at least 60 rounds in
all of the years he claims he won the title.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 18:12:34
From: Jack Thompson
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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multi wrote:
> There's still time to change his mind, but it's starting to look like
> Tiger really doesn't care about the Vardon Trophy, and will play just
> one more official event this year --- the Tour Championship. That
> makes two awards that most golfers would kill for, the Order of Merit
> and the Vardon, that he is essentially refusing this year.
>
> Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
> events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
> is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
> not interested.
>
Why isn't he listed on the Order of Merit list?
http://www.europeantour.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B7E944807%2D48EC%2D411A%2DB82A%2DD56203FDC915%7D
There are golfers listed who have been in one tournament.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 20:44:14
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On 30 Sep 2006 18:12:34 -0700, "Jack Thompson"
<jacqueszmonkey@aol.com > wrote:
>
>multi wrote:
>> There's still time to change his mind, but it's starting to look like
>> Tiger really doesn't care about the Vardon Trophy, and will play just
>> one more official event this year --- the Tour Championship. That
>> makes two awards that most golfers would kill for, the Order of Merit
>> and the Vardon, that he is essentially refusing this year.
>>
>> Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
>> events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
>> is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
>> not interested.
>>
>
>Why isn't he listed on the Order of Merit list?
>
>http://www.europeantour.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B7E944807%2D48EC%2D411A%2DB82A%2DD56203FDC915%7D
>
>There are golfers listed who have been in one tournament.
And I'll bet they are members of the Euro PGA. Tiger isn't. But he
has played 10 OOM events anyway, and could easily play another next
week --- it would be good practice for next year's Open, which will be
held on the same course.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 17:57:00
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
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> There's still time to change his mind, but it's starting to look like
> Tiger really doesn't care about the Vardon Trophy, and will play just
> one more official event this year --- the Tour Championship. That
> makes two awards that most golfers would kill for, the Order of Merit
> and the Vardon, that he is essentially refusing this year.
>
> Tiger has already clinched the OOM, except that he needs to play 11
> events from the OOM list. He's played ten already. All he has to do
> is show up at next week's Dunhill Links, and he wins the OOM. He's
> not interested.
>
> I don't fault him for not going for the Order of Merit --- he hasn't
> been home for a month, and it would be kind of chickenshit to grab it
> out from under the Euros, even though he earned it fair and square.
> But giving away the Vardon because he'd rather make commercials is
> kind of disgusting, and disrespectful to the game's traditions.
>
> He's not a lock for the Vardon, but he has a big lead, and could shoot
> very mediocre scores in two more events to win it. He's playing the
> Tour Championship, so he just needs one more, and he could sleep in
> his own bed when he plays the Disney, but a reporter asked him
> yesterday whether the Vardon was important to him, and he said, "Not
> really." Too bad, because it's one of the game's most respected
> awards. I guess Tiger has completely bought in to the idea that
> majors are all that matters.
It's weird that I find myself arguing against your thoughtful post but maybe
when someone is so dominant that everyone knows he would have won the Vardon
and that it will make an interesting asterik, maybe it doesn't hurt the
game. It is difficult to imagine someone having won so many accolades that
the Vardon isn't important. He uses an interlocking grip so maybe that's
why. Just kidding. : -)
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 20:41:39
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:57:00 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
<goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:
>It's weird that I find myself arguing against your thoughtful post but maybe
>when someone is so dominant that everyone knows he would have won the Vardon
>and that it will make an interesting asterik, maybe it doesn't hurt the
>game.
The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
cheapened. For how long, I don't know, but somebody like Tiger, who
considers himself a golf historian, should not be playing any part in
cheapening it for even one year.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:44:28
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
>year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
>that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
>So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
>cheapened.
Looking around, I see competitors proud of winning even when their
most fearsome opponent somehow didn't make it to the title match.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:21:47
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:44:28 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>
>>The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
>>year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
>>that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
>>So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
>>cheapened.
>
>Looking around, I see competitors proud of winning even when their
>most fearsome opponent somehow didn't make it to the title match.
If they lost along the way, or were injured, sure. But what if they
just said they'd rather sleep in that Sunday?
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 22:16:40
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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multi wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:57:00 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
> <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>> It's weird that I find myself arguing against your thoughtful post but maybe
>> when someone is so dominant that everyone knows he would have won the Vardon
>> and that it will make an interesting asterik, maybe it doesn't hurt the
>> game.
>
> The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
> year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
> that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
> So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
> cheapened. For how long, I don't know, but somebody like Tiger, who
> considers himself a golf historian, should not be playing any part in
> cheapening it for even one year.
How do you know TW won't play another tourney? He often won't commit to
many tournaments until the last possible day.
While you make a thoughtful and mostly factual argument, I disagree with
your interpretation of TW's motives as "..too bored ..". He missed 2
months of the year to care for, and grieve for his dad. He's played a
pretty brutal summer and fall schedule (think about the mental toll of
being in contention in practically every tournament he's played in) and
has mentioned several times how exhausted he's become.
I wouldn't be surprised if he commits to Disney at the last possible
moment. After all, he missed the cut there last year after a frustrating
2 days with his driver. I bet the competitor in him wants to make up
for that, especially given how he's driving now. But I'd personally cut
him some slack if he doesn't play there and missed the Vardon - he's
already given us another unforgettable year, comparable to Y2K.
Bill
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:45:44
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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As a fan, I would rather see him play one more European tournament
than one more PGA Tour tournament this year. Just to get a trophy
which he doesn't already have.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 00:43:24
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:16:40 -0700, Bill <billmuy@comcast.net > wrote:
>multi wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:57:00 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
>> <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>>> It's weird that I find myself arguing against your thoughtful post but maybe
>>> when someone is so dominant that everyone knows he would have won the Vardon
>>> and that it will make an interesting asterik, maybe it doesn't hurt the
>>> game.
>>
>> The imaginary asterisk will be on whoever does win the Vardon this
>> year --- probably Furyk. He, and anyone who follows golf, will know
>> that he didn't really win it; Tiger was just too bored to collect it.
>> So he won't feel that proud to have won it, and the Vardon will be
>> cheapened. For how long, I don't know, but somebody like Tiger, who
>> considers himself a golf historian, should not be playing any part in
>> cheapening it for even one year.
>
>How do you know TW won't play another tourney? He often won't commit to
>many tournaments until the last possible day.
If you will reread the first sentence of my original post, you will
see that I don't claim any such knowledge. What I do know is that he
said he didn't consider the Vardon to be important, and I find that
disappointing.
>While you make a thoughtful and mostly factual argument, I disagree with
>your interpretation of TW's motives as "..too bored ..". He missed 2
>months of the year to care for, and grieve for his dad. He's played a
>pretty brutal summer and fall schedule (think about the mental toll of
>being in contention in practically every tournament he's played in) and
>has mentioned several times how exhausted he's become.
All true. So he should have said, "I consider the Vardon to be very
important, but I am exhausted, so I can't commit right now."
Besides, he had better get used to playing several weeks in a row,
given the new FedEx Cup schedule.
>I wouldn't be surprised if he commits to Disney at the last possible
>moment. After all, he missed the cut there last year after a frustrating
>2 days with his driver. I bet the competitor in him wants to make up
>for that, especially given how he's driving now. But I'd personally cut
>him some slack if he doesn't play there and missed the Vardon - he's
>already given us another unforgettable year, comparable to Y2K.
Yes, this was a great year. But not as great as 2000, when he won the
Vardon.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:46:47
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:43:24 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>If you will reread the first sentence of my original post, you will
>see that I don't claim any such knowledge. What I do know is that he
>said he didn't consider the Vardon to be important, and I find that
>disappointing.
But that is his right to have different priorities than we have.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 14:22:56
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger getting too jaded
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:46:47 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:43:24 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
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>>If you will reread the first sentence of my original post, you will
>>see that I don't claim any such knowledge. What I do know is that he
>>said he didn't consider the Vardon to be important, and I find that
>>disappointing.
>
>But that is his right to have different priorities than we have.
You brute. What about my feellings? I suppose you think it's OK that
Britney ried K-Fed, too.
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