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Date: 24 Mar 2007 23:12:53
From: Manco
Subject: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
engineering.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:34:12
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 28, 4:21 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 28 2007 13:50:24 -0700, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 24, 7:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>
> >> > Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> >> > problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> >> > to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> > engineering.
>
> >> I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
> >> how much money he has.
>
> >This all seems silly to me. I don't see how anyone should expect
> >greater or lesser degrees of success at Tiger Tipping based on wealth.
> >Of course I'm too much of a coward for Cow Tipping. Who is the "he"
> >who only manages to tip 15-20% of the Tigers "like the rest of us"
> >anyways? Who are the rest of us? Sounds like "the group" are being
> >left out here. I say we MUST arrange a trip for Greer and Knight and
> >Dalecki and Strauss to go Tiger Tipping!
>
> What in hell is this all about? Do you spend all of your time
> thinking about those four names?
> You're obsessed.
Sorry. Scott and Al should be included as well.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:31:51
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 28, 4:09 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
> On 28, 12:50 pm, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 24, 7:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>
> > > > Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> > > > problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> > > > to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> > > > engineering.
>
> > > I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
> > > how much money he has.
>
> > This all seems silly to me. I don't see how anyone should expect
> > greater or lesser degrees of success at Tiger Tipping based on wealth.
> > Of course I'm too much of a coward for Cow Tipping. Who is the "he"
> > who only manages to tip 15-20% of the Tiger's "like the rest of us"
> > anyways? Who are the rest of us? Sounds like "the group" are being
> > left out here. I say we MUST arrange a trip for Greer and Knight and
> > Dalecki and Strauss to go Tiger Tipping!
>
> My only advice has to do with Greer. Be sure it's established in
> advance who pays for breakfast. ;>
>
...or who gets to be the breakfast! ;^)
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:09:00
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 28, 12:50 pm, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net > wrote:
> On 24, 7:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>
> > > Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> > > problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> > > to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> > > engineering.
>
> > I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
> > how much money he has.
>
> This all seems silly to me. I don't see how anyone should expect
> greater or lesser degrees of success at Tiger Tipping based on wealth.
> Of course I'm too much of a coward for Cow Tipping. Who is the "he"
> who only manages to tip 15-20% of the Tiger's "like the rest of us"
> anyways? Who are the rest of us? Sounds like "the group" are being
> left out here. I say we MUST arrange a trip for Greer and Knight and
> Dalecki and Strauss to go Tiger Tipping!
My only advice has to do with Greer. Be sure it's established in
advance who pays for breakfast. ; >
-Greg
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:50:24
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24, 7:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>
> news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>
> > Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> > problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> > to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> > engineering.
>
> I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
> how much money he has.
This all seems silly to me. I don't see how anyone should expect
greater or lesser degrees of success at Tiger Tipping based on wealth.
Of course I'm too much of a coward for Cow Tipping. Who is the "he"
who only manages to tip 15-20% of the Tiger's "like the rest of us"
anyways? Who are the rest of us? Sounds like "the group" are being
left out here. I say we MUST arrange a trip for Greer and Knight and
Dalecki and Strauss to go Tiger Tipping!
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 21:21:15
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 28 2007 13:50:24 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>On 24, 7:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>>
>> > Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>> > problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
>> > to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> > engineering.
>>
>> I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
>> how much money he has.
>
>This all seems silly to me. I don't see how anyone should expect
>greater or lesser degrees of success at Tiger Tipping based on wealth.
>Of course I'm too much of a coward for Cow Tipping. Who is the "he"
>who only manages to tip 15-20% of the Tiger's "like the rest of us"
>anyways? Who are the rest of us? Sounds like "the group" are being
>left out here. I say we MUST arrange a trip for Greer and Knight and
>Dalecki and Strauss to go Tiger Tipping!
What in hell is this all about? Do you spend all of your time
thinking about those four names?
You're obsessed.
___,
\o
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 07:18:26
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 9:06 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > A few years ago I got in a discussion about the 'poor' with a friend and
> > > he was all adither about their plight. So I invited him to go for a
> > > ride with me at about 1AM through the various housing projects. He
> > > noticed that there were sure lots of lights on and music playing at that
> > > hour. He never did bring up the subject of the poor again.
> > Yeah, but if you give the poor money, they put it RIGHT BACK
> > in the economy.
> Sure many do, many others just help the local drug dealers out...
Drug dealers are also a part of the economy. If you give money to the
lowest income tiers, they will not save any of it. All of it will be
spent.
That's economic drive. That is what FDR did in the 1930s to revive
the economy.
Our distribution of wealth is approaching those same levels.
-PA
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 12:42:40
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 3:21 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> A few years ago I got in a discussion about the 'poor' with a friend and
> he was all adither about their plight. So I invited him to go for a
> ride with me at about 1AM through the various housing projects. He
> noticed that there were sure lots of lights on and music playing at that
> hour. He never did bring up the subject of the poor again.
Yeah, but if you give the poor money, they put it RIGHT BACK
in the economy.
-PA
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 20:06:27
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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In article <1175024560.781458.231630@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 27, 3:21 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > A few years ago I got in a discussion about the 'poor' with a friend and
> > he was all adither about their plight. So I invited him to go for a
> > ride with me at about 1AM through the various housing projects. He
> > noticed that there were sure lots of lights on and music playing at that
> > hour. He never did bring up the subject of the poor again.
>
> Yeah, but if you give the poor money, they put it RIGHT BACK
> in the economy.
>
> -PA
Sure many do, many others just help the local drug dealers out...
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 12:17:56
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 12:19 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174913900.758927.143340@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 26, 12:30 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "aj" <a...@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:250320072014498635%aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com...
>
> >> > In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Matt
> >> > <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his
> >> >> >> ass
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of
> >> >> >> socialist
> >> >> >> engineering.
>
> >> >> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>
> >> >> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> >> >> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> >> >> > WEALTHY.
>
> >> >> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in
> >> >> this
> >> >> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay
> >> >> over
> >> >> 50% of all federal taxes.
>
> >> > According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
> >> > you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
> >> > This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
> >> > earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
> >> > discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
> >> > makes it sound.
>
> >> Either way, they are paying too much.
>
> > It depends on how you mean "too much".
>
> > If you look at total tax burden per dollar earned, the top 5% pay half
> > as much as the bottom 50%.
>
> > They are not paying NEARLY enough.
>
> > The income tax is the only progressive tax. Property and sales
> > taxes are all quite regressive, and they MORE than make up
> > the difference.
>
> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> > substantially less.
>
> > Maybe that would float your boat? The US tax burden is carried
> > on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
> > favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
> > tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
> > any state of the economy.
>
> Just wait till you make some big money some day buddy, and you'll think
> differently about all of this.
You don't have to make money to appreciate the impact of regressive
taxation. The distribution of wealth in the USA has been concentrating
at the top more and more since Reagan took office, and the total tax
burden has been shifting more and more to "tax cuts for the rich".
I'm simply amazed, every 4-5 years as my income rises and my
deductions
rise I am paying less taxes. It ain't even close to fair.
-PA
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 12:04:57
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 6:20 am, "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 26, 10:09 pm, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1174935446.117970.203750@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On 26, 9:57 am, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > >> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > >> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> > >> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> > >> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> > >> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> > >> > substantially less.
>
> > >> Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do they
> > >> pay
> > >> ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC that
> > >> could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot more
> > >> devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
>
> > > A flat income tax, while leaving property and sales tax alone, is a
> > > handout
> > > for the rich.
>
> > > A flat income tax that gets rid of property tax, sales tax, and
> > > deductions,
> > > and considers ALL forms of income equally, is a Robinhood move.
>
> > > The policy makers, and their financial backers, would NEVER let it
> > > happen. They consistently shift the tax burden onto the working
> > > class.
>
> > > -PA
>
> > You still haven't addressed my point, your "flat tax" proposal would hurt
> > the lowest earners and make them pay MORE tax since they don't pay any right
> > now. Since you want equality for all, I'd assume you'ld want to eliminate
> > EIC since it is a government "handout". I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
> > about a "flat tax" for all, but such a change would hurt a large number of
> > low income workers.
>
> Put a floor on it.
>
> -PA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you're going to do a flat tax... make it the same for everybody. If
all you have to your name is 10 beans... prepare to loose about 2 or
3 of them before all is said and done. :) Of course if you drop the
tax on cigarettes, gasoline or beer the poor would be getting a hell
of a raise...
Kick out the illegals and don't let any more in. Stop all aid to all
people that are able to work (and actually make an honest effort to
identify those people). Let them pick the crops and do the work the
illegals were doing... That should be win/win for current tax paying
Americans... right? :)
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 14:21:07
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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In article <1175022297.552914.135930@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
> On 27, 6:20 am, "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 26, 10:09 pm, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >news:1174935446.117970.203750@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > On 26, 9:57 am, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > > >> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > > >> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> > > >> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> > > >> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> > > >> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> > > >> > substantially less.
> >
> > > >> Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do
> > > >> they
> > > >> pay
> > > >> ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC
> > > >> that
> > > >> could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot
> > > >> more
> > > >> devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
> >
> > > > A flat income tax, while leaving property and sales tax alone, is a
> > > > handout
> > > > for the rich.
> >
> > > > A flat income tax that gets rid of property tax, sales tax, and
> > > > deductions,
> > > > and considers ALL forms of income equally, is a Robinhood move.
> >
> > > > The policy makers, and their financial backers, would NEVER let it
> > > > happen. They consistently shift the tax burden onto the working
> > > > class.
> >
> > > > -PA
> >
> > > You still haven't addressed my point, your "flat tax" proposal would hurt
> > > the lowest earners and make them pay MORE tax since they don't pay any
> > > right
> > > now. Since you want equality for all, I'd assume you'ld want to
> > > eliminate
> > > EIC since it is a government "handout". I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
> > > about a "flat tax" for all, but such a change would hurt a large number
> > > of
> > > low income workers.
> >
> > Put a floor on it.
> >
> > -PA- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If you're going to do a flat tax... make it the same for everybody. If
> all you have to your name is 10 beans... prepare to loose about 2 or
> 3 of them before all is said and done. :) Of course if you drop the
> tax on cigarettes, gasoline or beer the poor would be getting a hell
> of a raise...
>
> Kick out the illegals and don't let any more in. Stop all aid to all
> people that are able to work (and actually make an honest effort to
> identify those people). Let them pick the crops and do the work the
> illegals were doing... That should be win/win for current tax paying
> Americans... right? :)
I'm for that but I don't think the politicos are about to do it or the
'fair tax' thing either. They like to diddle with 'social policy' and
'business policy' using taxes way too much for that to happen.
But we certainly could do something about the 'poor' that are mostly
poor because of bad choices or laziness. Keep some welfare there for a
safety net for those truly in need, but make it non-permanent except for
the disabled that are disabled enough to not work in any capacity. And
we don't have to change taxes for that.
A few years ago I got in a discussion about the 'poor' with a friend and
he was all adither about their plight. So I invited him to go for a
ride with me at about 1AM through the various housing projects. He
noticed that there were sure lots of lights on and music playing at that
hour. He never did bring up the subject of the poor again.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 06:12:29
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 12:19 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174913900.758927.143340@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 26, 12:30 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "aj" <a...@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:250320072014498635%aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com...
>
> >> > In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Matt
> >> > <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his
> >> >> >> ass
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of
> >> >> >> socialist
> >> >> >> engineering.
>
> >> >> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>
> >> >> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> >> >> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> >> >> > WEALTHY.
>
> >> >> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in
> >> >> this
> >> >> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay
> >> >> over
> >> >> 50% of all federal taxes.
>
> >> > According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
> >> > you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
> >> > This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
> >> > earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
> >> > discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
> >> > makes it sound.
>
> >> Either way, they are paying too much.
>
> > It depends on how you mean "too much".
>
> > If you look at total tax burden per dollar earned, the top 5% pay half
> > as much as the bottom 50%.
>
> > They are not paying NEARLY enough.
>
> > The income tax is the only progressive tax. Property and sales
> > taxes are all quite regressive, and they MORE than make up
> > the difference.
>
> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> > substantially less.
>
> > Maybe that would float your boat? The US tax burden is carried
> > on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
> > favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
> > tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
> > any state of the economy.
>
> Just wait till you make some big money some day buddy, and you'll think
> differently about all of this.- Hide quoted text -
What, he'll think "Screw the little guys!"? I doubt it.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 03:24:15
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 27, 12:53 am, "bill-o" <assimil...@borg.org > wrote:
> On 26--2007, "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > property tax or deduction),
>
> Screw that, tax extravagance and waste not thrift and productivity. Fair
> tax.org
>
> > The US tax burden is carried
> > on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
> > favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
> > tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
> > any state of the economy.
>
> you are a deluded little bugger. Do you have any facts to support this
> ASS-er-ta-tion?
A whole web site
ctj.org
It is tricky, because there are many factors. Consumption taxes
are extremely regressive, property taxes very regressive, and
income taxes only slightly progressive. Then you factor in the
other sources of income for the top 5% like business appreciation,
capital gains, dividends, each of which is taxes less than the
working classes 23% they pay for income, SS, Medicare, and
you factor in deductions which the top 5% have in droves, and the
working class lacks completely, and it averages out to half
the tax, per dollar earned, for the richest Americans compared
to the lower 50%.
Half.
-PA
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 03:20:37
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 26, 10:09 pm, "DanL" <a...@b.c > wrote:
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174935446.117970.203750@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 26, 9:57 am, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> >> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> >> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> >> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> >> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> >> > substantially less.
>
> >> Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do they
> >> pay
> >> ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC that
> >> could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot more
> >> devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
>
> > A flat income tax, while leaving property and sales tax alone, is a
> > handout
> > for the rich.
>
> > A flat income tax that gets rid of property tax, sales tax, and
> > deductions,
> > and considers ALL forms of income equally, is a Robinhood move.
>
> > The policy makers, and their financial backers, would NEVER let it
> > happen. They consistently shift the tax burden onto the working
> > class.
>
> > -PA
>
> You still haven't addressed my point, your "flat tax" proposal would hurt
> the lowest earners and make them pay MORE tax since they don't pay any right
> now. Since you want equality for all, I'd assume you'ld want to eliminate
> EIC since it is a government "handout". I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
> about a "flat tax" for all, but such a change would hurt a large number of
> low income workers.
Put a floor on it.
-PA
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 11:57:26
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 26, 9:57 am, "DanL" <a...@b.c > wrote:
> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> > substantially less.
>
> Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do they pay
> ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC that
> could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot more
> devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
A flat income tax, while leaving property and sales tax alone, is a
handout
for the rich.
A flat income tax that gets rid of property tax, sales tax, and
deductions,
and considers ALL forms of income equally, is a Robinhood move.
The policy makers, and their financial backers, would NEVER let it
happen. They consistently shift the tax burden onto the working
class.
-PA
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 22:09:52
From: DanL
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174935446.117970.203750@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 26, 9:57 am, "DanL" <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> > I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
>> > property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
>> > fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
>> > over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
>> > twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
>> > substantially less.
>>
>> Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do they
>> pay
>> ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC that
>> could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot more
>> devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
>
> A flat income tax, while leaving property and sales tax alone, is a
> handout
> for the rich.
>
> A flat income tax that gets rid of property tax, sales tax, and
> deductions,
> and considers ALL forms of income equally, is a Robinhood move.
>
> The policy makers, and their financial backers, would NEVER let it
> happen. They consistently shift the tax burden onto the working
> class.
>
> -PA
>
You still haven't addressed my point, your "flat tax" proposal would hurt
the lowest earners and make them pay MORE tax since they don't pay any right
now. Since you want equality for all, I'd assume you'ld want to eliminate
EIC since it is a government "handout". I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
about a "flat tax" for all, but such a change would hurt a large number of
low income workers.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:31:37
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 5:53 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
> On 25 2007 18:28:44 -0700, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On 25, 4:07 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
> >> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
> >> something of which I am knowledgeable.
>
> >We miss your knowledge. Good to see you!
>
> I googled the group recently and it appeared that there was actually
> some golf being discussed. I hope it continues.
>
> Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TXhttp://davidclary.com
I agree....tis nice to see. RSG will probably revert to some 19th
hole OT during the winter months. Us northerners just don't get to
play year round unless we gear up, which is gets old. Kinda like
snowskiing in the rain.
Your strategy of taking the winter off from RSG is sound, especially
if OT posts annoy you.
-Greg
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:09:30
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On Sat, 24 2007 23:12:53 GMT, Manco wrote:
> Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
The idiot that expects people to tip more then the value of the service
is also the idiot that never makes much of himself. Only the idiot "new
money" wealthy types through around their wealth - because that's the
only way they can get attention and respect.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 07:26:52
From: Steve H.
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 6:21 pm, Colin Wilson <publ...@removethis.kyneton.net.au >
wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
> > 15-20% is a reasonable tip for anyone. Because one is wealthy doesn't
> > mean that he has to tip more. It's relative.
>
> If everyone in the hospitality industry got paid a decent wage, there'd
> either be no need for tipping, or a tip would actually mean that good
> service had been given. Tipping as a matter of course hardly means you
> are rewarding someone who has gone out of their way to be outstanding.
> It just rewards mediocrity.
>
> Coming from a country where compulsory tipping is just not part of the
> culture.
>
> PS. My son works in a bar in Circular Quay, Sydney, and he just *loves*
> it when Americans walk in. :-)
Colin, I was just thinking similar. While working in Zurich once, I
left a tip at a sidewalk restaurant, and the waiter came and gave it
back to me. Said it wasn't allowed.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 23:30:59
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
Steve H. wrote:
> Colin, I was just thinking similar. While working in Zurich once, I
> left a tip at a sidewalk restaurant, and the waiter came and gave it
> back to me. Said it wasn't allowed.
Being in a prominent international location, my son does get a few tips,
mainly from Americans who don't know the local custom. But it is not the
norm here, which is that the bill is all-inclusive.
In many Australian restaurants and bars, the service is seen as a team
effort. If they do get any tips for exceptional service, the money is
usually pooled and all the "crew" take home an even share.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 08:17:51
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On Mon, 26 2007 23:30:59 GMT, Colin Wilson wrote:
> In many Australian restaurants and bars, the service is seen as a team
> effort. If they do get any tips for exceptional service, the money is
> usually pooled and all the "crew" take home an even share.
There are a number of upscale restaurants in SOCA that do that very same
thing.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 05:58:20
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 26, 12:30 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "aj" <a...@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com> wrote in message
>
> news:250320072014498635%aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Matt
> > <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that
> >> >> a
> >> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass
> >> >> of
> >> >> to
> >> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> >> engineering.
>
> >> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>
> >> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
> >> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> >> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> >> > WEALTHY.
>
> >> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in
> >> this
> >> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay
> >> over
> >> 50% of all federal taxes.
>
> > According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
> > you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
> > This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
> > earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
> > discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
> > makes it sound.
>
> Either way, they are paying too much.
It depends on how you mean "too much".
If you look at total tax burden per dollar earned, the top 5% pay half
as much as the bottom 50%.
They are not paying NEARLY enough.
The income tax is the only progressive tax. Property and sales
taxes are all quite regressive, and they MORE than make up
the difference.
I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
substantially less.
Maybe that would float your boat? The US tax burden is carried
on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
any state of the economy.
-PA
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 04:53:19
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 26--2007, "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
> I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> property tax or deduction),
Screw that, tax extravagance and waste not thrift and productivity. Fair
tax.org
> The US tax burden is carried
> on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
> favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
> tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
> any state of the economy.
you are a deluded little bugger. Do you have any facts to support this
ASS-er-ta-tion?
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 23:19:02
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174913900.758927.143340@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 26, 12:30 am, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "aj" <a...@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:250320072014498635%aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, Matt
>> > <rebel_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his
>> >> >> ass
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of
>> >> >> socialist
>> >> >> engineering.
>>
>> >> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>>
>> >> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never
>> >> > will
>> >> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
>> >> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
>> >> > WEALTHY.
>>
>> >> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in
>> >> this
>> >> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay
>> >> over
>> >> 50% of all federal taxes.
>>
>> > According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
>> > you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
>> > This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
>> > earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
>> > discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
>> > makes it sound.
>>
>> Either way, they are paying too much.
>
> It depends on how you mean "too much".
>
> If you look at total tax burden per dollar earned, the top 5% pay half
> as much as the bottom 50%.
>
> They are not paying NEARLY enough.
>
> The income tax is the only progressive tax. Property and sales
> taxes are all quite regressive, and they MORE than make up
> the difference.
>
> I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> substantially less.
>
> Maybe that would float your boat? The US tax burden is carried
> on the working class, and it is shifting more and more to
> favor the rich with each Republican Congress that feels that
> tax cuts for the rich is the appropriate economic response to
> any state of the economy.
>
Just wait till you make some big money some day buddy, and you'll think
differently about all of this.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 09:57:07
From: DanL
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
> I say throw them all together, tax only income (no sales or
> property tax or deduction), and tax everyone the same
> fraction of their earned income, and make all income (dividends,
> over $100k, capital gains) count. The top 5% would pay
> twice as much as they pay now, the bottom 50% would pay
> substantially less.
>
Do you really think the poor people would go for this? Not only do they pay
ZERO tax, but they receive a government handout in the form of EIC that
could equal ~33% of their annual income. Your system would be a lot more
devastating to the bottom 5% than the top 5%.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 18:28:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 4:07 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
> something of which I am knowledgeable.
>
We miss your knowledge. Good to see you!
-Greg
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 20:53:56
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25 2007 18:28:44 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>On 25, 4:07 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
>> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
>> something of which I am knowledgeable.
>>
>
>We miss your knowledge. Good to see you!
I googled the group recently and it appeared that there was actually
some golf being discussed. I hope it continues.
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX
http://davidclary.com
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:41:39
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 8:07 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
> something of which I am knowledgeable.
Sorry it took you so long to find one! :-)
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 20:33:49
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25 2007 17:41:39 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com >
wrote:
>On 25, 8:07 pm, dave.cl...@geewhizmail.com wrote:
>> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
>> something of which I am knowledgeable.
>
>Sorry it took you so long to find one! :-)
LOL!! I had to start where I was comfortable. I couldn't just come
in all rusty and take on Llllary! :-)
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX
http://davidclary.com
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 14:00:07
From: Ishaam
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 1:12 am, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com > wrote:
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
Tiger is a good man, so if you getting free cash from him or anybody
else for that
matter, why complain? I dont know why the person receiving the tip
from him should
be ungrateful either
Ishaam
http://www.howtomasterthegolfirons.com
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 10:10:46
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 2:01 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> >> to
> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> engineering.
>
> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>
> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> > WEALTHY.
>
> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in this
> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay over
> 50% of all federal taxes.
Wow, talk about totally missing the point.....
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 19:06:15
From: Manco
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
BigPurdueFan wrote:
>
> Wow, talk about totally missing the point.....
Yeah for socialist dogs the amount the wealthy end up paying is irrelevant,
they want the RATE to be 90%. Being lib-tards that they are, they don't
understand the wealthy will simply shelter their income more if you raise
the highest ginal rates. However, to lib-tards, it's all about what makes
them FEEL good, which is that they BELIEVE they are socking it to the rich.
A good example was the luxury tax in 1990 which virtually killed the yacht
industry. Rich people didn't suffer, but the middle class folks who built
the boats did. Never let the real facts get in the way of "soaking the rich"
meme.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 10:10:05
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25, 10:36 am, High_Colo...@webtv.net (Miss Anne Thrope) wrote:
> No Manco, this idiotic mentality is called paying it forward.
>
> It's about being able.
>
> It's about seeing a single mom working 2 or 3 part time jobs with no
> benefits, and maybe tipping her extra because you can, and you know deep
> down in your heart that if you didn't have the silly game of golf as
> your crutch, you'd probably be right there bussing that same table after
> she gives the customer the check.
>
> C'mon guys, my opinion of you is low enough as it is...
It is true that Tiger (and the guys like k O'Meara, who think
charity is giving their portion of the Ryder Cup money to their
private school) should give more to those who need it, especially
those who have waited on them, I doubt that Tiger would be bussing
that table if he were not playing golf. Tiger works very hard at his
game and he think he would display a similar tenacity towards whatever
career he chose. John Daly, now that's a different story.....
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 09:05:27
From: norman mailer-daemon
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com > wrote:
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
WEALTHY.
And there is nothing "socialist" or "liberal" about stating a simple
fact that cannot be refuted. It's history and it is reality.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 15:38:12
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
On 25 2007 09:05:27 -0700, "norman mailer-daemon"
<calcio1518@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
>pay their fare share of taxes-
Of course not, they pay way too much.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 13:01:21
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
"norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1518@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
>> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
>> to
>> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> engineering.
>
> He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>
> Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
> pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> WEALTHY.
Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in this
country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay over
50% of all federal taxes.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 03:15:15
From: aj
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >, Matt
<rebel_144@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1518@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> >> to
> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> engineering.
> >
> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
> >
> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
> > WEALTHY.
>
> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in this
> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay over
> 50% of all federal taxes.
>
>
According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
makes it sound.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 23:30:59
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
|
"aj" <aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com > wrote in message
news:250320072014498635%aj@thisisaninvalidemailaddress.com...
> In article <4606aa3b$0$19473$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Matt
> <rebel_144@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1518@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174838726.998658.324720@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> > On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
>> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that
>> >> a
>> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass
>> >> of
>> >> to
>> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> >> engineering.
>> >
>> > He's not obliged to tip at all. No one is.
>> >
>> > Having said that, the wealthy U.S. citizens never have and never will
>> > pay their fare share of taxes-- and I don't care who is in power in
>> > Washington. Both parties serve one sector and one sector only: THE
>> > WEALTHY.
>>
>> Are you fucking stupid? The wealthy citizens pay most of the taxes in
>> this
>> country. The top 5% of people in this country in terms of income pay
>> over
>> 50% of all federal taxes.
>>
>>
>
> According to IRS data for 2004 (the latest they have on the website),
> you are right. The top 5% in terms of income paid 55% of the taxes.
> This sounds pretty bad. However, the same data show that those 5%
> earned 41% of the total taxable income. Now there's still a
> discrepancy, but it's not nearly so skewed as your choice of stats
> makes it sound.
Either way, they are paying too much.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 10:36:27
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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No Manco, this idiotic mentality is called paying it forward.
It's about being able.
It's about seeing a single mom working 2 or 3 part time jobs with no
benefits, and maybe tipping her extra because you can, and you know deep
down in your heart that if you didn't have the silly game of golf as
your crutch, you'd probably be right there bussing that same table after
she gives the customer the check.
C'mon guys, my opinion of you is low enough as it is...
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 19:27:34
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Sun, 25 2007 10:36:27 -0400, High_Colonic@webtv.net (Miss Anne
Thrope) wrote:
>No Manco, this idiotic mentality is called paying it forward.
>
>It's about being able.
>
>It's about seeing a single mom working 2 or 3 part time jobs with no
>benefits, and maybe tipping her extra because you can, and you know deep
>down in your heart that if you didn't have the silly game of golf as
>your crutch, you'd probably be right there bussing that same table after
>she gives the customer the check.
>
>C'mon guys, my opinion of you is low enough as it is...
There are times when extra tipping is the thing to do, but to expect
it as a rule because of one's income is unreasonable.
___,
\o
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 05:22:50
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24, 8:25 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 24 2007 16:58:23 -0700, "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> engineering.
>
> >Why do you think he has worked harder than someone in a
> >blue collar job?
>
> Point out where he said that TW worked harder than someone in a blue
> collar job!
>
> >The best tippers are the people who know what it is like to
> >work for a living, always have been. Tiger is not one of them.
> >Make him suck up to restaurant customers for a few months
> >and he would sing a different tune.
>
> >-PA
>
> 15-20% is a reasonable tip for anyone. Because one is wealthy doesn't
> mean that he has to tip more. It's relative.
The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the
manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others
is a test of a true gentleman.
The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over
the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over
the confiding, even the clever over the silly - the forbearing or
inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence
from
it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light.
-Robert E Lee
Think about it. I bet Arnie was a great tipper, and Bobby
Jones too.
-PA
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 11:24:21
From: DanL
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Tiger has a reputation for being tight with the tips going back to his early
days when he could barely find the cash to tip the locker room staff.
I know this guy that caddies over at an exclusive club in Tampa (Old
Memorial). Lot's of millionaire athletes and other wealthy folks there. He
told me about when he looped in a group with Derrick Brooks (Tampa Bay Bucs)
and how not only did Brooks tip $0, he tried to under-pay the caddie fee!
Now that's a cheap asshole.....
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 05:08:16
From: gp
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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I guess I meant El Tigre is "insincere."... not a nice guy, like say,
a Jack or an Arnie, or a JD....or even a Phil....he ain't a good
tipper, so I'd say he's a miser.
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=99s)
adj.
Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating: =E2=80=9Can
ambitious, disingenuous, philistine, and hypocritical operator, who =E2=80=
=A6
exemplified =E2=80=A6 the most disagreeable traits of his time=E2=80=9D (Da=
vid
Cannadine).
Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-na=C3=AFf.
Usage Problem. Unaware or uninformed; naive.
disingenuously dis'in=C2=B7gen'u=C2=B7ous=C2=B7ly adv.
disingenuousness dis'in=C2=B7gen'u=C2=B7ous=C2=B7ness n.
USAGE NOTE The meaning of disingenuous has been shifting about
lately, as if people were unsure of its proper meaning. Generally, it
means =E2=80=9Cinsincere=E2=80=9D and often seems to be a synonym of cynica=
l or
calculating. Not surprisingly, the word is used often in political
contexts, as in It is both insensitive and disingenuous for the White
House to describe its aid package and the proposal to eliminate the
federal payment as =E2=80=9Ctough love.=E2=80=9D This use of the word is ac=
cepted by
94 percent of the Usage Panel. Most Panelists also accept the extended
meaning relating to less reproachable behavior. Fully 88 percent
accept disingenuous with the meaning =E2=80=9Cplayfully insincere, faux-na=
=C3=AFf,=E2=80=9D
as in the example =E2=80=9CI don't have a clue about late Beethoven!=E2=80=
=9D he said.
The rek seemed disingenuous, coming from one of the world's
foremost concert pianists. Sometimes disingenuous is used as a synonym
for naive, as if the dis=E2=80=93 prefix functioned as an intensive (as it
does in certain words like disannul) rather than as a negative
element. This usage does not find much admiration among Panelists,
however. Seventy-five percent do not accept it in the phrase a
disingenuous tourist who falls prey to stereotypical con artists.
On 24, 10:06=C2=A0pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 24 2007 19:32:05 -0700, "gp" <gophe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 24, 6:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> >> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that=
a
> >> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass=
of to
> >> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> >> engineering.
>
> >Makes you wonder who the real "jerk" is... =C2=A0Phat Phil -->
> >http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/alan.katz/2006/03/06/forget_that_gq_st...
> >...
>
> >or Tiger. =C2=A0I don't know what it is, but El Tigre appears very
> >disingenuous.
>
> Main Entry: dis=C2=B7in=C2=B7gen=C2=B7u=C2=B7ous
>
> Function: adjective
> =C2=A0lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple
> frankness : CALCULATING
>
> Please explain just how either of them could be called disingenuous.
> --
> =C2=A0 ___, =C2=A0
> =C2=A0 \o =C2=A0 =C2=A0
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 00:22:58
From: Bucky
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24, 5:22 pm, "Matt" <rebel_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
> how much money he has.
I totally agree, but unfortunately, being rich and famous means that
if you tip less than 25%, it's going to make headlines, even if the
service was atrocious, or you accidentally left the wrong amount.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:32:05
From: gp
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24, 6:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com > wrote:
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
Makes you wonder who the real "jerk" is... Phat Phil -- >
http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/alan.katz/2006/03/06/forget_that_gq_story_big_tipper_phil_mic
...
or Tiger. I don't know what it is, but El Tigre appears very
disingenuous.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 03:06:45
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24 2007 19:32:05 -0700, "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>On 24, 6:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
>> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
>> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> engineering.
>
>Makes you wonder who the real "jerk" is... Phat Phil -->
>http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/alan.katz/2006/03/06/forget_that_gq_story_big_tipper_phil_mic
>...
>
>or Tiger. I don't know what it is, but El Tigre appears very
>disingenuous.
Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
Function: adjective
lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple
frankness : CALCULATING
Please explain just how either of them could be called disingenuous.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 18:43:54
From: Pickmaster
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Damn--black people are usually some of the biggest tippers
"Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com > wrote in message
news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
>
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 11:02:52
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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"Pickmaster" <hotshot@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:zqkNh.13445$_a1.5244@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> Damn--black people are usually some of the biggest tippers
>
I hope you're joking. From my experiences most black people either leave
nothing or less than 15% and it doesnt even matter how good the service is.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 16:58:23
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com > wrote:
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
Why do you think he has worked harder than someone in a
blue collar job?
The best tippers are the people who know what it is like to
work for a living, always have been. Tiger is not one of them.
Make him suck up to restaurant customers for a few months
and he would sing a different tune.
-PA
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 00:25:48
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24 2007 16:58:23 -0700, "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
>On 24, 7:12 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
>> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of to
>> become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> engineering.
>
>Why do you think he has worked harder than someone in a
>blue collar job?
>
Point out where he said that TW worked harder than someone in a blue
collar job!
>The best tippers are the people who know what it is like to
>work for a living, always have been. Tiger is not one of them.
>Make him suck up to restaurant customers for a few months
>and he would sing a different tune.
>
>-PA
15-20% is a reasonable tip for anyone. Because one is wealthy doesn't
mean that he has to tip more. It's relative.
___,
\o
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 22:21:35
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> 15-20% is a reasonable tip for anyone. Because one is wealthy doesn't
> mean that he has to tip more. It's relative.
If everyone in the hospitality industry got paid a decent wage, there'd
either be no need for tipping, or a tip would actually mean that good
service had been given. Tipping as a matter of course hardly means you
are rewarding someone who has gone out of their way to be outstanding.
It just rewards mediocrity.
Coming from a country where compulsory tipping is just not part of the
culture.
PS. My son works in a bar in Circular Quay, Sydney, and he just *loves*
it when Americans walk in. :-)
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 19:07:16
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
something of which I am knowledgeable.
On Sun, 25 2007 22:21:35 GMT, Colin Wilson
<publish@removethis.kyneton.net.au > wrote:
>If everyone in the hospitality industry got paid a decent wage, there'd
>either be no need for tipping, or a tip would actually mean that good
>service had been given.
Amen. My wife spent a large part of her life working mainly for tips
including 12 years as a waitress at Denny's. Her pay was like $1.65
an hour and her pay stub included a statement saying something like
"tips count toward the minumum wage."
>PS. My son works in a bar in Circular Quay, Sydney, and he just *loves*
>it when Americans walk in. :-)
Just the way my wife smiled when I showed up at the club in Thailand
where the normal tip was 5-10cents but I tipped with quarters!!
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX
http://davidclary.com
P.S. do you know what "quay" means in Thai? :-)
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 01:23:15
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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dave.clary@geewhizmail.com wrote:
> P.S. do you know what "quay" means in Thai? :-)
Fill us in.
BTW, here's my son's bar:
http://www.minus5experience.com/Page.php?page=15
He rarely works in the "freezer", rather the Lenin vodka bar outside.
Yah! He knows zee vodka, but vot eez dis "golf" thingy? :-(
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 20:37:43
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Mon, 26 2007 01:23:15 GMT, Colin Wilson
<publish@removethis.kyneton.net.au > wrote:
>dave.clary@geewhizmail.com wrote:
>
>> P.S. do you know what "quay" means in Thai? :-)
>
>Fill us in.
>
Let's just say "circular" wouldn't be an appropriate adjective to use
with it--cylindrical would be better (and a disclaimer about seeking
medical help in four hours). :-)
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX
http://davidclary.com
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:25:46
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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<dave.clary@geewhizmail.com > wrote in message
news:bm2e03lri6g0rnm7cdspp9vhjrhqoqfj5b@4ax.com...
> Well, I might as well make my first RSG post in months be about
> something of which I am knowledgeable.
Welcome back
BG
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 20:32:32
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Sun, 25 2007 17:25:46 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>Welcome back
>
>BG
>
Thanks!
dc
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 23:52:12
From: Manco
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> 15-20% is a reasonable tip for anyone. Because one is wealthy
>> doesn't mean that he has to tip more. It's relative.
>
> If everyone in the hospitality industry got paid a decent wage,
> there'd either be no need for tipping, or a tip would actually mean
> that good service had been given. Tipping as a matter of course
> hardly means you are rewarding someone who has gone out of their way
> to be outstanding. It just rewards mediocrity.
>
> Coming from a country where compulsory tipping is just not part of the
> culture.
>
> PS. My son works in a bar in Circular Quay, Sydney, and he just
> *loves* it when Americans walk in. :-)
So Aussies are horrendous tippers eh? :-)
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:17:59
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On 24 2007 16:58:23 -0700, "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
>The best tippers are the people who know what it is like to
>work for a living, always have been. Tiger is not one of them.
>Make him suck up to restaurant customers for a few months
>and he would sing a different tune.
I agree. I worked my way through college driving a Taxi in NYC and
rich people were, for the most part, bad tippers. Working class
people are much better tippers. However, the best tippers of all are
people who once worked a job where they depended on tips.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:05:12
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Sat, 24 2007 20:17:59 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote:
>I worked my way through college driving a Taxi in NYC
I run 2 companies. Some of my laziest employees are college educated
entitlement types that worked their way thought college. They seem to
think because they put themselves though college they deserve
something... NOT. And, they tip well too...
> However, the best tippers of all are
> people who once worked a job where they depended on tips.
Yep... and they are usually the one's that never become wealthy because
they have limited financial judgment or haven't a clue when it comes to
understanding of value for a dollar.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:22:57
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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"Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com > wrote in message
news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
> to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
> engineering.
I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
how much money he has.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:27:41
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Sat, 24 2007 19:22:57 -0500, "Matt" <rebel_144@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>"Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
>> to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>> engineering.
>
>
>I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
>how much money he has.
>
I have no idea if Tiger is a good or bad tipper. Perhaps sometimes
when he doesn't get good service, he might not tip as much. He has
that right.
Nevertheless, if I were a high profile public figure with as much
money as Tiger, I would go out of my way to be known as a good tipper.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:13:29
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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On Sat, 24 2007 20:27:41 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote:
> I would go out of my way to be known as a good tipper.
Why??? All that would get is the attention of folks in a negative
manner; followed by expectations and questions about your judgment.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 09:12:00
From: David Geesaman
Subject: Re: Tiger and the tipping story...
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Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Sat, 24 2007 19:22:57 -0500, "Matt" <rebel_144@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com> wrote in message
>> news:VfiNh.197$NO.88@trndny05...
>>> Even if it's true he only tips 15-20% like the rest of us, why is that a
>>> problem? Why is he obliged to tip 50% just because he's worked his ass of
>>> to become really rich? This idiotic mentality is a product of socialist
>>> engineering.
>>
>> I agree. It is stupid that they expect more from him just cause they know
>> how much money he has.
>>
>
> I have no idea if Tiger is a good or bad tipper. Perhaps sometimes
> when he doesn't get good service, he might not tip as much. He has
> that right.
>
> Nevertheless, if I were a high profile public figure with as much
> money as Tiger, I would go out of my way to be known as a good tipper.
Consider the other side: would Tiger Woods be more likely to have people
following him around doing every stupid menial thing to try and get a
big easy tip for it? If he was a profuse tipper I'm sure that would be
the case, and the guy probably has too much hoopla following him as it
is already.
I see no reason why he should tip any different than the norm,
especially if he's not asking for more/different services.
Dave
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