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Date: 06 Nov 2006 17:00:08
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Subject: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 13:05:31
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Matt wrote:
> "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote in message
> news:1162905016.147752.283400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
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> > Howard Brazee wrote:
> >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:16:33 +0800, Ezran <ezran6006@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-woodsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
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> >> >Should we expect 80 yards wide fairways with no rough?
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> >> Rough doesn't bother Tiger.
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> >> Is there a type of course that doesn't favor Tiger?
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> > Water right on every hole should raise his scoring average a bit. :)
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> I agree he does hit the ball right a lot with his driver, but how often does
> he actually hit the ball into a hazard or OB off the tee? If there was a
> course with OB/Waterhazard all down the right side, I think he'd adjust.
Yea, you may need a little sumpn-sumpn on the left... (trees, bunkers,
ditches, etc) now and then to keep him honest. :)
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 02:08:57
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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On 7 Nov 2006 13:05:31 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>> I agree he does hit the ball right a lot with his driver, but how often does
>> he actually hit the ball into a hazard or OB off the tee? If there was a
>> course with OB/Waterhazard all down the right side, I think he'd adjust.
>
>Yea, you may need a little sumpn-sumpn on the left... (trees, bunkers,
>ditches, etc) now and then to keep him honest. :)
Occasionally he has to go to extremes to win in a "honest" course -
such as he did in Liverpool this year.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 08:13:59
From: cja
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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annika1980 wrote:
> cja wrote:
> > ... Jack Nicklaus is personally responsible for over 200 golf course designs. ..."
> >
> Yeah, right.
> On his Bear Trace course here, Jack showed up twice. Once to break
> ground and once at the Grand Opening to pick up the check. I'm sure
> Tiger's involvement will be similar.
>
I don't doubt that. Course owners pay the premium to get the famous
name on their course. They may not even care if Jack or Tiger is behind
the wheel of the earth mover, or if they just rubber stamp the design.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 08:04:03
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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cja wrote:
> ... Jack Nicklaus is personally responsible for over 200 golf course designs. ..."
>
Yeah, right.
On his Bear Trace course here, Jack showed up twice. Once to break
ground and once at the Grand Opening to pick up the check. I'm sure
Tiger's involvement will be similar.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:18:31
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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On 7 Nov 2006 08:04:03 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>Yeah, right.
>On his Bear Trace course here, Jack showed up twice. Once to break
>ground and once at the Grand Opening to pick up the check. I'm sure
>Tiger's involvement will be similar.
Jack was very concerned about the money - partially because he wanted
to take care of his family, and partly to beat Arnie.
Tiger's family is taken care of. It's not about the money.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 05:10:16
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:16:33 +0800, Ezran <ezran6006@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >>http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-woodsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
> >
> >
> >Should we expect 80 yards wide fairways with no rough?
>
> Rough doesn't bother Tiger.
>
> Is there a type of course that doesn't favor Tiger?
Water right on every hole should raise his scoring average a bit. :)
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 14:09:57
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
news:1162905016.147752.283400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
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> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:16:33 +0800, Ezran <ezran6006@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-woodsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
>> >
>> >
>> >Should we expect 80 yards wide fairways with no rough?
>>
>> Rough doesn't bother Tiger.
>>
>> Is there a type of course that doesn't favor Tiger?
>
> Water right on every hole should raise his scoring average a bit. :)
I agree he does hit the ball right a lot with his driver, but how often does
he actually hit the ball into a hazard or OB off the tee? If there was a
course with OB/Waterhazard all down the right side, I think he'd adjust.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 05:02:59
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Bucky wrote:
> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
I'm suprised he can fine the energy to build design/build a course...
:) Just playing golf nearly put him in the hospital on bed rest... :)
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 04:32:31
From: cja
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Frank Ketchum wrote:
> What is strange to me is that he has taken advice from Jack on this matter.
> I thought that Jack's business ventures into this area had not been
> successful financially speaking.
>
Where did you get that idea? Jack did have some difficulties in
business at one point, but as I recall it was with his golf equipment
company.
>From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Nicklaus:
"Nicklaus devotes much of his time to golf course design and operates
one of the largest golf design practices in the world. His first design
was opened for play in 1970. ...He is now in partnership with his four
sons and his son-in-law through Nicklaus Design. The company had 299
courses open for play at the end of 2005 ... Jack Nicklaus is
personally responsible for over 200 golf course designs. ..."
Some more stats:
http://www.nicklaus.com/design/facts.php
None of this, of course, talks about revenue or profit, but I have to
believe that a company that has been in business for over 30 years, and
has been so productive, is also profitable.
- cja
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 17:16:33
From: Ezran
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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On 6 Nov 2006 17:00:08 -0800, bungalow_steve@yahoo.com wrote:
>http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-woodsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
Should we expect 80 yards wide fairways with no rough?
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 13:00:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:16:33 +0800, Ezran <ezran6006@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>>http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-woodsdc&prov=reuters&type=lgns
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>Should we expect 80 yards wide fairways with no rough?
Rough doesn't bother Tiger.
Is there a type of course that doesn't favor Tiger?
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 18:14:18
From: Bucky
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 10:58:28
From: scabbardgirl
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Bucky wrote:
> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
>
Phil Mickelson has designed courses already. So has Davis Love III. It
would seem that they are setting up now for "retirement".
People will pay big money for a "name designer" course. These guys set
up the business, lend it their name, sit on the board, hire people who
really know what they are doing in the course design business, and learn.
My country club inherited a Jack Nicklaus course (it started public,
then it was bought and taken private). In order to maintain the "Jack
Nicklaus Signature Course" designation, the club has to submit to course
inpections ever few years. Any changes made have to be approved by that
company to maintain the designation. If they point out any problems
with the course or make suggestions, the club has to fix the problems or
build the suggestions to keep the designation. So, they continue to
make money off of the courses they design for decades, until the course
owners decide it is no longer worth the money and effort to keep the
"Signature" designation.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:22:27
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:58:28 -0700, scabbardgirl
<scabbardgirl@cox.net > wrote:
>Phil Mickelson has designed courses already. So has Davis Love III. It
> would seem that they are setting up now for "retirement".
They're set up financially - although they will still want to be in
the golf limelight when they get past playing. I think it's more
like actors taking up directing - they see it being done and *know*
they can do it better - and it looks like fun.
And nowadays they are rich enough that they can be like Howard Hughes
running a movie studio - doing the part that's fun while hiring others
to do the drudgery - and to fix their learning mistakes.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 09:27:46
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Bucky wrote:
> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
>
He might know what a good hole looks like, but he is no designer. That
takes study and experience.
He will buy the talent, like many pros do, show up once during
construction, have his picture taken looking at the routing map and then
show up on opening day, pocket the cheque, then ask where the first tee
is located.
David
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 08:48:15
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Forming a company and being the titular chief designer isn't that time
consuming.
"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com > wrote in message
news:1162865658.564271.224510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
>
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 02:26:05
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com > wrote in message
news:1162865658.564271.224510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
>
What is strange to me is that he has taken advice from Jack on this matter.
I thought that Jack's business ventures into this area had not been
successful financially speaking.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 10:55:55
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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Jack's design business has been quite successful. His attempts to take some
of his other enterprises public was a colossal failure bordering on
criminally cooking the books.
"Frank Ketchum" <fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote in message
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> What is strange to me is that he has taken advice from Jack on this
> matter. I thought that Jack's business ventures into this area had not
> been successful financially speaking.
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 03:49:16
From: rob
Subject: Re: Tiger Woods takes a swing at golf course design
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im sure he will hire top guys, and just kind of approve them like a tiger
stamp of approval.
"Frank Ketchum" <fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote in message
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> "Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in message
> news:1162865658.564271.224510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> That's kind of strange that he would embark on this during the prime of
>> his career. Does he really have that much spare time on his hands?
>> Seems like something that would be better for him to do when he
>> retires. It's not like he needs the income from that business.
>>
>
> What is strange to me is that he has taken advice from Jack on this
> matter. I thought that Jack's business ventures into this area had not
> been successful financially speaking.
>
>
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