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Date: 13 Oct 2006 15:20:49
From: multi
Subject: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

Date: 15 Oct 2006 09:32:07
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

Listen up Tiger. The damn house is full of those silly Vardon Trophies.
Can't you win something else?

Date: 15 Oct 2006 09:27:00
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote ...
> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

To say that Tiger has "snubbed the Vardon" award is a wee bit disingenuous,
considering the fact that he's already won the award more times than anyone
in history.

Randy

Date: 14 Oct 2006 13:05:02
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

multi wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2006 18:43:10 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >multi wrote:
> >> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
> >> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
> >> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
> >> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> >> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.
> >
> >I suppose his records will have an asterick now.... I'm not sure that
> >"the game" will be too upset that Tiger doesn't respect "it's" oldest
> >award. I usually like reading your posts multi but this ones sounds
> >like laura helped you write it.
>
> Geez, I didn't call him a criminal. I fully respect his right to play
> when and where he wants. But he doesn't have to say, several times,
> that he doesn't think the Vardon is important, or that it doesn't mean
> much to him. When Jack said the majors were the most important thing,
> they became the most important thing. Now Tiger is the best golfer in
> the world, so when he says the Vardon isn't important, it becomes
> unimportant.
>
> He didn't need to do that. If he didn't want to play the Disney (and
> he apparently knew that quite a while ago), he could have just said he
> was very sorry, but he had a prior commitment. Problem solved.

I really do owe you an apology. Putting your name in the same sentence
with laura was pretty damn low. :-)

You make some good points but maybe Tiger is trying to make a point
with the PGA about their system. He may be trying to tell them they
need to change the qualifications. How about instead of min 50 rounds,
3 or more wins, or win 2 or more majors, or win 6 in a row.

The bottom line is, I'd much rather see him play in an event that he
wants to play in and not mess up his winning streak. That's not saying
he'll win his next event but I think he'll have a better chance if his
heart is in it.

Bryan

Date: 13 Oct 2006 22:18:52
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

In article <mn30j2lc3m4cudllqgcssacvncik03djb0@4ax.com >,
multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:

> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

It's the year his father died. Tiger's won more Vardon trophies
(6!) than any other player who walked the planet, all this
accomplished in his 20's. Let's give this a rest, shall we?

Date: 14 Oct 2006 15:18:14
From: Craig
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

He didn't turn down the award, he didn't qualify. Just like I didn't
qualify to win an Oscar because I didn't appear in a movie this year. I
am not snubbing the academy awards, I just haven't qualified.

Date: 14 Oct 2006 03:11:44
From: rich
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
news:mn30j2lc3m4cudllqgcssacvncik03djb0@4ax.com...
> I know there are more important things to worry about right
> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

I couldn't agree more. Jack showed absolute disdain for the traditions of
the game by repeatedly dissing the Vardon and the Tour by not playing enough
rounds to qualify. Now if he had won it a bunch of times that would be
different, but in his whole career to not play enough rounds is just wrong.

Oh wait, were you talking about Tiger?

Rich

Date: 13 Oct 2006 21:32:07
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

"rich" <dummy@nothere.com > wrote in message news:QzYXg.85$3C6.43@trnddc04...
> I couldn't agree more. Jack showed absolute disdain for the traditions of
> the game by repeatedly dissing the Vardon and the Tour by not playing
> enough rounds to qualify. Now if he had won it a bunch of times that
> would be different, but in his whole career to not play enough rounds is
> just wrong.
>
> Oh wait, were you talking about Tiger?
>
> Rich

Actually, Jack did play enough rounds almost every year that he was in
contention for the Vardon, but was too lazy to comply with the other rules
of the PGA of America (which is different than the PGA Tour).

Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:43:10
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

Date: 13 Oct 2006 19:46:56
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

On 13 Oct 2006 18:43:10 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>
>multi wrote:
>> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
>> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
>> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
>> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
>> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.
>
>I suppose his records will have an asterick now.... I'm not sure that
>"the game" will be too upset that Tiger doesn't respect "it's" oldest
>award. I usually like reading your posts multi but this ones sounds
>like laura helped you write it.

Geez, I didn't call him a criminal. I fully respect his right to play
when and where he wants. But he doesn't have to say, several times,
that he doesn't think the Vardon is important, or that it doesn't mean
much to him. When Jack said the majors were the most important thing,
they became the most important thing. Now Tiger is the best golfer in
the world, so when he says the Vardon isn't important, it becomes
unimportant.

He didn't need to do that. If he didn't want to play the Disney (and
he apparently knew that quite a while ago), he could have just said he
was very sorry, but he had a prior commitment. Problem solved.

Date: 14 Oct 2006 14:15:31
From: Vandar
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

multi wrote:

> On 13 Oct 2006 18:43:10 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>multi wrote:
>>
>>>The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
>>>skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
>>>Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
>>>now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
>>>little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.
>>
>>I suppose his records will have an asterick now.... I'm not sure that
>>"the game" will be too upset that Tiger doesn't respect "it's" oldest
>>award. I usually like reading your posts multi but this ones sounds
>>like laura helped you write it.
>
>
> Geez, I didn't call him a criminal. I fully respect his right to play
> when and where he wants. But he doesn't have to say, several times,
> that he doesn't think the Vardon is important, or that it doesn't mean
> much to him. When Jack said the majors were the most important thing,
> they became the most important thing. Now Tiger is the best golfer in
> the world, so when he says the Vardon isn't important, it becomes
> unimportant.
>
> He didn't need to do that. If he didn't want to play the Disney (and
> he apparently knew that quite a while ago), he could have just said he
> was very sorry, but he had a prior commitment. Problem solved.

By lying?
If it doesn't mean anything to him, then you can't fault him for being
honest about it.

Date: 14 Oct 2006 11:03:58
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:15:31 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com > wrote:

>multi wrote:
>
>> On 13 Oct 2006 18:43:10 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>multi wrote:
>>>
>>>>The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
>>>>skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
>>>>Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
>>>>now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
>>>>little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.
>>>
>>>I suppose his records will have an asterick now.... I'm not sure that
>>>"the game" will be too upset that Tiger doesn't respect "it's" oldest
>>>award. I usually like reading your posts multi but this ones sounds
>>>like laura helped you write it.
>>
>>
>> Geez, I didn't call him a criminal. I fully respect his right to play
>> when and where he wants. But he doesn't have to say, several times,
>> that he doesn't think the Vardon is important, or that it doesn't mean
>> much to him. When Jack said the majors were the most important thing,
>> they became the most important thing. Now Tiger is the best golfer in
>> the world, so when he says the Vardon isn't important, it becomes
>> unimportant.
>>
>> He didn't need to do that. If he didn't want to play the Disney (and
>> he apparently knew that quite a while ago), he could have just said he
>> was very sorry, but he had a prior commitment. Problem solved.
>
>By lying?
>If it doesn't mean anything to him, then you can't fault him for being
>honest about it.

Right. Just remember that the next time your wife asks you if she
looks fat.

Date: 15 Oct 2006 02:27:00
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: George W. Bush

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:48:47 +0000, bill-o wrote:
> On 14-Oct-2006, Carbon <nobrac@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> What about Hitler? You like him, too?
>> >
>> > I invoke Godwin's Law! This thread is toast and John B. loses!
>>
>> I hate this stupid law. It makes it impossible to discuss how
>> democracies devolve into dictatorships, among other things.
>
> Give me a break! The constant resort to the star of the History Channel
> is nothing more than intellectual laziness. If you can't discuss such
> concepts w/o bringing up Charlie Chaplin's evil twin then you don't have
> the historical backround to have a meaningfull opinion on the subject.
> There have been thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of dictators
> before the failed art student and thousands since and Democracies have
> been devolving into Dictatorships since at least 400BC or thereabouts,
> so get rid of the crutch man!

The Nazis are the elephant in the room. It's ridiculous to tiptoe around
it just because of a quip from some lawyer.

Date: 15 Oct 2006 02:34:48
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: George W. Bush

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:40:05 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:54:07 -0700, "AKA Gray Asphalt"
> <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>What do you think would happen if Bush was given a geography test? Or a
>>history test? Or political science? And how do you think it would stack
>>up against Clinton ... either Clinton.
>
> Bush had a higher GPA at Yale then the so-called intellectual Kerry.

Was his GPA higher than Clinton ... either Clinton?

Date: 15 Oct 2006 04:02:30
From: Vandar
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

long&left wrote:

> Vandar wrote:
> (snip)
>
>>>
>>> Right. Just remember that the next time your wife asks you if she
>>> looks fat.
>>
>>
>> She doesn't ask that.
>
>
> she must weigh 82lbs and be anorexic then. My wife, who runs 40 miles a
> week, weight trains regularly, and is fit as a fiddle (5'-2" 118#), asks
> me that occasionally. I offer my usual diplomatic response..."of course
> not dear"

She's 5'3" and has never been overweight a day in her life. She just
never asks that question.
If she did, I'd just respond with something like "That dress makes
everyone but you look fat".
As you said, a diplomatic reply.

Date: 15 Oct 2006 15:11:23
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

Vandar wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>> Vandar wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>>>>
>>>> Right. Just remember that the next time your wife asks you if she
>>>> looks fat.
>>>
>>>
>>> She doesn't ask that.
>>
>>
>> she must weigh 82lbs and be anorexic then. My wife, who runs 40 miles
>> a week, weight trains regularly, and is fit as a fiddle (5'-2" 118#),
>> asks me that occasionally. I offer my usual diplomatic response..."of
>> course not dear"
>
> She's 5'3" and has never been overweight a day in her life. She just
> never asks that question.
> If she did, I'd just respond with something like "That dress makes
> everyone but you look fat".
> As you said, a diplomatic reply.

and I thought it was an "every woman" thing ?? Guess not...

Date: 13 Oct 2006 16:39:14
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon

multi wrote:
> The 5 PM EDT deadline has passed, and Tiger has apparently decided to
> skip the Disney, which means he is turning down the 2006 Vardon
> Trophy. I know there are more important things to worry about right
> now, but it would be nice if the best player who ever lived had a
> little more respect for one of the game's oldest awards.

Come on, this idea that Tiger has little respect for the game is silly.
Golfers are independent contractors and can play as many or a few
tournaments as they choose. Further, Tiger has done more for the game
of golf in recent years than anyone else. He has rasied the income
level and employment levels of everyone associated with the game. What
more do you want from the guy? If the PGA is happy with an arbitrary
award rule that eliminates its best player after he has played a full
season, that is on them.

Date: 13 Oct 2006 15:53:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger Snubs the Vardon