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Date: 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17
From: mbryan9420@gmail.com
Subject: The worst US team ever?
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Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
this bad last time.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:10:32
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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Worst U.S. team ever?
Sonny & Cher.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:01:04
From: capri142@usa.com
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <MPG.1f8111ebce9224bf989ede@news.iol.ie>,
> Howard9 <fictional@email.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <r8ndh2lcn819g2b7qdf0vv2o2thqd6rh49@4ax.com>, dgold1958
> > @yahoo.de says...
> > > On 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17 -0700, "mbryan9420@gmail.com"
> > > <mbryan9420@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
> > > >this bad last time.
> > >
> > > The US team had the top three ranked players in the world.
> >
> > Yes, but the quality dropped off so fast as you go down the list.
> >
> > > They did, however, run in to
> > > a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
> > > of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
> > >
> > The European team was one of the best, in depth, that we ever had.
> >
> > And yes - there appears to be some kind of attitude problem among US
> > players. They seem to be missing something. They don't seem to have the
> > capability to play with another human being as a team even if they are
> > from their own country. They seem to lack any kind of heart. Take them
> > out of their money driven individualistic environment and they look like
> > ducks out of water.
>
> What the Americans are missing is the sense of golf as a GAME, to be
> played for fun. Take away the big purses and the scoreboards, and they
> seem unable to find a point to, or enthusiasm for, the game. Take away
> medal play scoreboards from the Europeans, and they seem to remember the
> pick up, one on one games that they enjoyed as kids.
>
> Here in the US we start youngsters off in middle school on tournaments
> that are all medal play. Much earlier than the Europeans, and much more
> one dimensional. Our kids are obsessed with handicaps and statistics,
> and never really play the game for sheer, lighthearted fun. I suggest we
> start having some school and college matches based on match play, rather
> than stroke play, and get it back into the culture. You only had to
> look at the grim faces of the Americans, even when they were winning,
> and compare these with the energy that the Europeans got from this
> format, to see the difference.
>
> William Clark
William
I agree with you 100%,
We rarely seem to play golf, just for the fun of it anymore. Its always
for money or how fast we can get aroiund. Rarely if ever do we ever
play anything besides stroke play. Which is a shame when there are so
many variatiions to golf that are so much fun. My brother and I will
often play a round of Three Ball on a local par three nine hole cousre
with a single 8 iron each. or Captains Choice with some people new to
the game. All just for the fun of it. Or just a good old round of
Match play with nothing more riding on it than who pays for a drink at
the 19th hole. The Euros have not only the American pros beat at the
Ryder Cup but in the fun department as well.
Phil
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:35:31
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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mbryan9420@gmail.com wrote:
> Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
> this bad last time.
Worst team ever? No. Worst performing team ever? Worst that I can
remember.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 21:33:16
From: David
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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On 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17 -0700, "mbryan9420@gmail.com"
<mbryan9420@gmail.com > wrote:
>Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
>this bad last time.
The US team had the top three ranked players in the world. I don't
think that it was the worst US team ever. They did, however, run in to
a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:15:14
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:33:16 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:
>>Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
>>this bad last time.
>
> The US team had the top three ranked players in the world. I don't
>think that it was the worst US team ever.
For someone who didn't watch, the implication would be that the other
players must have been bad enough to drag the team down.
But it wasn't the case.
>They did, however, run in to
>a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
>of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
Tiger works best with a serious attitude. But Phil jokes around -
which doesn't help him at Ryder's Cups.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 23:07:36
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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In article <r8ndh2lcn819g2b7qdf0vv2o2thqd6rh49@4ax.com >, dgold1958
@yahoo.de says...
> On 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17 -0700, "mbryan9420@gmail.com"
> <mbryan9420@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
> >this bad last time.
>
> The US team had the top three ranked players in the world.
Yes, but the quality dropped off so fast as you go down the list.
> They did, however, run in to
> a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
> of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
>
The European team was one of the best, in depth, that we ever had.
And yes - there appears to be some kind of attitude problem among US
players. They seem to be missing something. They don't seem to have the
capability to play with another human being as a team even if they are
from their own country. They seem to lack any kind of heart. Take them
out of their money driven individualistic environment and they look like
ducks out of water.
Personally I actually hope to god they win in Kentucky..... it is not
good for the game when the US lose all the time. However I just cannot
for the life of me see what they can do to turn things around. They
certainly need to get players playing more team events for a start. And
more matchplay too.
--
Howard
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:45:39
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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In article <MPG.1f8111ebce9224bf989ede@news.iol.ie >,
Howard9 <fictional@email.com > wrote:
> In article <r8ndh2lcn819g2b7qdf0vv2o2thqd6rh49@4ax.com>, dgold1958
> @yahoo.de says...
> > On 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17 -0700, "mbryan9420@gmail.com"
> > <mbryan9420@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
> > >this bad last time.
> >
> > The US team had the top three ranked players in the world.
>
> Yes, but the quality dropped off so fast as you go down the list.
>
> > They did, however, run in to
> > a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
> > of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
> >
> The European team was one of the best, in depth, that we ever had.
>
> And yes - there appears to be some kind of attitude problem among US
> players. They seem to be missing something. They don't seem to have the
> capability to play with another human being as a team even if they are
> from their own country. They seem to lack any kind of heart. Take them
> out of their money driven individualistic environment and they look like
> ducks out of water.
What the Americans are missing is the sense of golf as a GAME, to be
played for fun. Take away the big purses and the scoreboards, and they
seem unable to find a point to, or enthusiasm for, the game. Take away
medal play scoreboards from the Europeans, and they seem to remember the
pick up, one on one games that they enjoyed as kids.
Here in the US we start youngsters off in middle school on tournaments
that are all medal play. Much earlier than the Europeans, and much more
one dimensional. Our kids are obsessed with handicaps and statistics,
and never really play the game for sheer, lighthearted fun. I suggest we
start having some school and college matches based on match play, rather
than stroke play, and get it back into the culture. You only had to
look at the grim faces of the Americans, even when they were winning,
and compare these with the energy that the Europeans got from this
format, to see the difference.
William Clark
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 07:51:17
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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In article <clark.31-8E08EE.20453924092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu >, clark.31@osu.edu says...
> What the Americans are missing is the sense of golf as a GAME, to be
> played for fun. Take away the big purses and the scoreboards, and they
> seem unable to find a point to, or enthusiasm for, the game. Take away
> medal play scoreboards from the Europeans, and they seem to remember the
> pick up, one on one games that they enjoyed as kids.
>
> Here in the US we start youngsters off in middle school on tournaments
> that are all medal play. Much earlier than the Europeans, and much more
> one dimensional. Our kids are obsessed with handicaps and statistics,
> and never really play the game for sheer, lighthearted fun. I suggest we
> start having some school and college matches based on match play, rather
> than stroke play, and get it back into the culture. You only had to
> look at the grim faces of the Americans, even when they were winning,
> and compare these with the energy that the Europeans got from this
> format, to see the difference.
>
It is quite sad really. We love to win this thing but the fun goes when
we win too often and see the attitude of the US players being so
tortured.
Players here grow up through the club system where they play all kinds
of competitions on a weekly basis, foursomes, four balls, stableford,
matchplay etc. because it is a GAME. It seems that far too many players
in the US go straight to college scholarships and are brain washed into
that ME ME ME ME attitude exemplified by Tiger.
--
Howard
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:26:39
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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Howard9 wrote:
> It is quite sad really. We love to win this thing but the fun goes when
> we win too often and see the attitude of the US players being so
> tortured.
> Players here grow up through the club system where they play all kinds
> of competitions on a weekly basis, foursomes, four balls, stableford,
> matchplay etc. because it is a GAME. It seems that far too many players
> in the US go straight to college scholarships and are brain washed into
> that ME ME ME ME attitude exemplified by Tiger.
I think you make an excellent point, Howard. Other than certain RSG
friends, Match-Play as a format, is virtually unknown here. I've often
had to explain it to playing companions.
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:22:00
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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In article <4npp6qFbgd1iU1@individual.net >, nospam@nospam.net says...
> Howard9 wrote:
>
> > It is quite sad really. We love to win this thing but the fun goes when
> > we win too often and see the attitude of the US players being so
> > tortured.
> > Players here grow up through the club system where they play all kinds
> > of competitions on a weekly basis, foursomes, four balls, stableford,
> > matchplay etc. because it is a GAME. It seems that far too many players
> > in the US go straight to college scholarships and are brain washed into
> > that ME ME ME ME attitude exemplified by Tiger.
>
> I think you make an excellent point, Howard. Other than certain RSG
> friends, Match-Play as a format, is virtually unknown here. I've often
> had to explain it to playing companions.
>
It is quite shocking and sad that US golf players growing up and
developing are denied a brilliant and most enjoyable part of the game.
--
Howard
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:08:25
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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Howard9 wrote:
> In article <4npp6qFbgd1iU1@individual.net>, nospam@nospam.net says...
>
>>Howard9 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is quite sad really. We love to win this thing but the fun goes when
>>>we win too often and see the attitude of the US players being so
>>>tortured.
>>>Players here grow up through the club system where they play all kinds
>>>of competitions on a weekly basis, foursomes, four balls, stableford,
>>>matchplay etc. because it is a GAME. It seems that far too many players
>>>in the US go straight to college scholarships and are brain washed into
>>>that ME ME ME ME attitude exemplified by Tiger.
>>
>>I think you make an excellent point, Howard. Other than certain RSG
>>friends, Match-Play as a format, is virtually unknown here. I've often
>>had to explain it to playing companions.
>>
>
> It is quite shocking and sad that US golf players growing up and
> developing are denied a brilliant and most enjoyable part of the game.
Indeed. I was fortunate to spend all my formative years in golf playing
match-play. Only time of the year I remember king a card was in the
Junior Championship.
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 13:25:22
From:
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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In article <4nqgo5FbjvlbU2@individual.net >,
David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
> Howard9 wrote:
> > In article <4npp6qFbgd1iU1@individual.net>, nospam@nospam.net says...
> >
> >>Howard9 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>It is quite sad really. We love to win this thing but the fun goes when
> >>>we win too often and see the attitude of the US players being so
> >>>tortured.
> >>>Players here grow up through the club system where they play all kinds
> >>>of competitions on a weekly basis, foursomes, four balls, stableford,
> >>>matchplay etc. because it is a GAME. It seems that far too many players
> >>>in the US go straight to college scholarships and are brain washed into
> >>>that ME ME ME ME attitude exemplified by Tiger.
> >>
> >>I think you make an excellent point, Howard. Other than certain RSG
> >>friends, Match-Play as a format, is virtually unknown here. I've often
> >>had to explain it to playing companions.
> >>
> >
> > It is quite shocking and sad that US golf players growing up and
> > developing are denied a brilliant and most enjoyable part of the game.
>
> Indeed. I was fortunate to spend all my formative years in golf playing
> match-play. Only time of the year I remember king a card was in the
> Junior Championship.
Whereas I detest match play. It is analogous to the best of 18 points,
instead of putting together an entire round.
B. tin
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 19:35:35
From: Da Ringer.
Subject: Re: The worst US team ever?
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It seems to me the U.S. plays like it is an exhibition and the Europeans
play like it is a major championship.
"Howard9" <fictional@email.com > wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8111ebce9224bf989ede@news.iol.ie...
> In article <r8ndh2lcn819g2b7qdf0vv2o2thqd6rh49@4ax.com>, dgold1958
> @yahoo.de says...
>> On 24 Sep 2006 08:03:17 -0700, "mbryan9420@gmail.com"
>> <mbryan9420@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Or one of the greatest Euro teams ever? I dont even think they got beat
>> >this bad last time.
>>
>> The US team had the top three ranked players in the world.
>
> Yes, but the quality dropped off so fast as you go down the list.
>
>> They did, however, run in to
>> a very strong european team which relishes this format and has a lot
>> of fun while playing. Perhaps it was simply a matter of attitude?
>>
> The European team was one of the best, in depth, that we ever had.
>
> And yes - there appears to be some kind of attitude problem among US
> players. They seem to be missing something. They don't seem to have the
> capability to play with another human being as a team even if they are
> from their own country. They seem to lack any kind of heart. Take them
> out of their money driven individualistic environment and they look like
> ducks out of water.
>
> Personally I actually hope to god they win in Kentucky..... it is not
> good for the game when the US lose all the time. However I just cannot
> for the life of me see what they can do to turn things around. They
> certainly need to get players playing more team events for a start. And
> more matchplay too.
>
>
>
> --
> Howard
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