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Date: 21 Sep 2006 11:59:18
From: larryrsf
Subject: The Magic Line--The "Golden Grail??"
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Here is the excerpt from his book, "Bobby Jones on Golf"--page 145)
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THE MAGIC LINE
One cannot help sympathizing with the poor fellow trying desperately to
find some way of building up a sound swing when he finds himself
submerged in a sea of "do's" and "don'ts" with scarcely a chance of
finding his way out; there can be no question that the chief reason
golf is so mystifying to the beginner is the difficulty of expressing,
in a few words, the simple, fun_damental, necessities of form. There
are numbers of players who devote enough thought, time, and hard
practice to the game to make them reasonably good golfers if they might
start out with an accurate conception of what they want to do; but in
so many instances there is a confusion of ideas, making intelligent
progress impossible.
One cannot select one movement, or even one series of movements, and
say that this, or these, is, or are, fundamental; if a basic principle
is to be found, it must be broader than this; it must be an idea,
rather than a prescribed procedure that can be charted upon a
blackboard; it must be something for the player to accomplish with the
club, rather than with his own body.
I lay no claim of invention or discovery to the theory of hitting from
the inside out. I don't even know that I agree that such a manner of
hitting is indispensable to good golf; but I do believe that the duffer
seeking a fundamental conception to guide his practice and his
development, cannot do better than to resolve never to permit his club
head to cross the projected line of flight back of the ball. Whether he
will cross that line at or after impact depends entirely upon the kind
of shot he wants to play.
Almost every inferior player swings across the line of flight from the
outside to the inside; he is either a hooker or slicer, depending upon
whether the club face is open or closed at impact. One rarely finds a
dub who stays at all times inside the magic line.
Suppose we look at the problem in this way: There are two points in the
swing to be watched, two places where a misdirected move may make a
crossing of the magic line inevitable. One is at the moment when the
club is started backward from the ball; the other occurs as the club is
started downward from the top. If a man will practice starting upward
and starting down with this in mind, I believe he can very soon learn
to swing in a proper groove.
In starting the club backward, there is one thing that may throw it
outside. This is the fight hand. If the player initiates the motion by
breaking his wrists, almost inevitably his right hand and wrist will
lift the club and carry it upward over his shoulders.
A proper start of the backswing is made by rotating the entire body, by
turning the hips and shoulders upon a pivot, at the same time bending
the left knee and lifting the left foot from the ground. I can think of
no better way to make a start than by "taking off" from the left foot,
by rolling the weight toward the inside of that foot. The arms may move
slightly, but only a few inches across the body; the hands-moving
straight backward --drag the club away from the ball along the line of
flight, then turn toward the inside.
This turning and swinging, following naturally, lead to a proper
position at the top of the swing, with hands well back and the club
pointing over the back of the neck to a point several yards to the
right of the objective.
This is the second critical point; at least two things can be done here
to throw the club head beyond the line. To start with a pure turn of
the body, without moving the hips forward, is fatal because such a
motion pulls the hands forward, causing the club head to move toward
the player's rear; to swing first outward, then inward and across the
ball, is then not only easy but inevitable. The same thing happens if
the wrists are employed here to whip the club downward, as is so often
advised. There are three things that must be done at the top to keep
the club swinging inside the line of flight.
They are:
First, the hips must be shifted quickly toward the front along the line
of play, ever so slightly, yet definitely;
Second, the right elbow must return to the side of the body; and
Third, the hands must be moved or dropped a few inches backward and
downward, without straightening or starting to straighten the wrists.
If this sort of start is made, the rest is easy.
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I think for some this may be the end of a long search for a single
simple swing thought that produces a good golf swing. Combine this with
a strong finish, keep the club accelerating all the way to our
shoulder-- and what else is there? Oh yeah, Putting..
Larry (KING of RSG)
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 19:51:08
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: The Magic Line--The "Golden Grail??"
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larryrsf wrote:
> Here is the excerpt from his book, "Bobby Jones on Golf"--page 145)
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> THE MAGIC LINE
While I agree that this is a good concept, I guarantee that this
particular swing thought would not have helped me identify the
backswing problem that I was having. After I fixed it, with the help
of my pro, my swing became much more "on-plane", but it
was the result of a different swing thought entirely.
I could have tried your "Golden Grail" the rest of my life,
and never have stumbled across the true cause of this
particular problem.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 18:12:19
From: pete z
Subject: Re: The Magic Line--The "Golden Grail??"
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larryrsf wrote:
> Here is the excerpt from his book, "Bobby Jones on Golf"--page 145)
> ----------------------------------
>
> THE MAGIC LINE
> One cannot help sympathizing with the poor fellow trying desperately to
> find some way of building up a sound swing when he finds himself
> submerged in a sea of "do's" and "don'ts" with scarcely a chance of
> finding his way out; there can be no question that the chief reason
> golf is so mystifying to the beginner is the difficulty of expressing,
> in a few words, the simple, fun_damental, necessities of form. There
> are numbers of players who devote enough thought, time, and hard
> practice to the game to make them reasonably good golfers if they might
> start out with an accurate conception of what they want to do; but in
> so many instances there is a confusion of ideas, making intelligent
> progress impossible.
>
> One cannot select one movement, or even one series of movements, and
> say that this, or these, is, or are, fundamental; if a basic principle
> is to be found, it must be broader than this; it must be an idea,
> rather than a prescribed procedure that can be charted upon a
> blackboard; it must be something for the player to accomplish with the
> club, rather than with his own body.
>
> I lay no claim of invention or discovery to the theory of hitting from
> the inside out. I don't even know that I agree that such a manner of
> hitting is indispensable to good golf; but I do believe that the duffer
> seeking a fundamental conception to guide his practice and his
> development, cannot do better than to resolve never to permit his club
> head to cross the projected line of flight back of the ball. Whether he
> will cross that line at or after impact depends entirely upon the kind
> of shot he wants to play.
>
> Almost every inferior player swings across the line of flight from the
> outside to the inside; he is either a hooker or slicer, depending upon
> whether the club face is open or closed at impact. One rarely finds a
> dub who stays at all times inside the magic line.
>
> Suppose we look at the problem in this way: There are two points in the
> swing to be watched, two places where a misdirected move may make a
> crossing of the magic line inevitable. One is at the moment when the
> club is started backward from the ball; the other occurs as the club is
> started downward from the top. If a man will practice starting upward
> and starting down with this in mind, I believe he can very soon learn
> to swing in a proper groove.
>
> In starting the club backward, there is one thing that may throw it
> outside. This is the fight hand. If the player initiates the motion by
> breaking his wrists, almost inevitably his right hand and wrist will
> lift the club and carry it upward over his shoulders.
>
> A proper start of the backswing is made by rotating the entire body, by
> turning the hips and shoulders upon a pivot, at the same time bending
> the left knee and lifting the left foot from the ground. I can think of
> no better way to make a start than by "taking off" from the left foot,
> by rolling the weight toward the inside of that foot. The arms may move
> slightly, but only a few inches across the body; the hands-moving
> straight backward --drag the club away from the ball along the line of
> flight, then turn toward the inside.
>
> This turning and swinging, following naturally, lead to a proper
> position at the top of the swing, with hands well back and the club
> pointing over the back of the neck to a point several yards to the
> right of the objective.
>
> This is the second critical point; at least two things can be done here
> to throw the club head beyond the line. To start with a pure turn of
> the body, without moving the hips forward, is fatal because such a
> motion pulls the hands forward, causing the club head to move toward
> the player's rear; to swing first outward, then inward and across the
> ball, is then not only easy but inevitable. The same thing happens if
> the wrists are employed here to whip the club downward, as is so often
> advised. There are three things that must be done at the top to keep
> the club swinging inside the line of flight.
>
> They are:
>
> First, the hips must be shifted quickly toward the front along the line
> of play, ever so slightly, yet definitely;
>
> Second, the right elbow must return to the side of the body; and
>
> Third, the hands must be moved or dropped a few inches backward and
> downward, without straightening or starting to straighten the wrists.
> If this sort of start is made, the rest is easy.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> I think for some this may be the end of a long search for a single
> simple swing thought that produces a good golf swing. Combine this with
> a strong finish, keep the club accelerating all the way to our
> shoulder-- and what else is there? Oh yeah, Putting..
>
> Larry (KING of RSG)
Are you seious?
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 20:48:24
From: Alan Illeman
Subject: Re: The Magic Line--The "Golden Grail??"
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"larryrsf" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:1158865158.590854.78950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Here is the excerpt from his book, "Bobby Jones on Golf"--page 145)
> ----------------------------------
>
> THE MAGIC LINE
> One cannot help sympathizing with the poor fellow trying desperately to
> find some way of building up a sound swing when he finds himself
> submerged in a sea of "do's" and "don'ts" with scarcely a chance of
> finding his way out; there can be no question that the chief reason
> golf is so mystifying to the beginner is the difficulty of expressing,
> in a few words, the simple, fun_damental, necessities of form. There
> are numbers of players who devote enough thought, time, and hard
> practice to the game to make them reasonably good golfers if they might
> start out with an accurate conception of what they want to do; but in
> so many instances there is a confusion of ideas, making intelligent
> progress impossible.
>
> One cannot select one movement, or even one series of movements, and
> say that this, or these, is, or are, fundamental; if a basic principle
> is to be found, it must be broader than this; it must be an idea,
> rather than a prescribed procedure that can be charted upon a
> blackboard; it must be something for the player to accomplish with the
> club, rather than with his own body.
>
> I lay no claim of invention or discovery to the theory of hitting from
> the inside out. I don't even know that I agree that such a manner of
> hitting is indispensable to good golf; but I do believe that the duffer
> seeking a fundamental conception to guide his practice and his
> development, cannot do better than to resolve never to permit his club
> head to cross the projected line of flight back of the ball. Whether he
> will cross that line at or after impact depends entirely upon the kind
> of shot he wants to play.
>
> Almost every inferior player swings across the line of flight from the
> outside to the inside; he is either a hooker or slicer, depending upon
> whether the club face is open or closed at impact. One rarely finds a
> dub who stays at all times inside the magic line.
>
> Suppose we look at the problem in this way: There are two points in the
> swing to be watched, two places where a misdirected move may make a
> crossing of the magic line inevitable. One is at the moment when the
> club is started backward from the ball; the other occurs as the club is
> started downward from the top. If a man will practice starting upward
> and starting down with this in mind, I believe he can very soon learn
> to swing in a proper groove.
>
> In starting the club backward, there is one thing that may throw it
> outside. This is the fight hand. If the player initiates the motion by
> breaking his wrists, almost inevitably his right hand and wrist will
> lift the club and carry it upward over his shoulders.
>
> A proper start of the backswing is made by rotating the entire body, by
> turning the hips and shoulders upon a pivot, at the same time bending
> the left knee and lifting the left foot from the ground. I can think of
> no better way to make a start than by "taking off" from the left foot,
> by rolling the weight toward the inside of that foot. The arms may move
> slightly, but only a few inches across the body; the hands-moving
> straight backward --drag the club away from the ball along the line of
> flight, then turn toward the inside.
>
> This turning and swinging, following naturally, lead to a proper
> position at the top of the swing, with hands well back and the club
> pointing over the back of the neck to a point several yards to the
> right of the objective.
>
> This is the second critical point; at least two things can be done here
> to throw the club head beyond the line. To start with a pure turn of
> the body, without moving the hips forward, is fatal because such a
> motion pulls the hands forward, causing the club head to move toward
> the player's rear; to swing first outward, then inward and across the
> ball, is then not only easy but inevitable. The same thing happens if
> the wrists are employed here to whip the club downward, as is so often
> advised. There are three things that must be done at the top to keep
> the club swinging inside the line of flight.
>
> They are:
>
> First, the hips must be shifted quickly toward the front along the line
> of play, ever so slightly, yet definitely;
>
> Second, the right elbow must return to the side of the body; and
>
> Third, the hands must be moved or dropped a few inches backward and
> downward, without straightening or starting to straighten the wrists.
> If this sort of start is made, the rest is easy.
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