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Date: 06 Feb 2007 11:50:26
From: JJVP
Subject: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843539,00.html

JJVP

Date: 09 Feb 2007 08:51:08
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

Playing down to their audience.

Date: 08 Feb 2007 19:44:26
From: JJVP
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

On Feb 8, 4:33 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
> I got your MOMMY right here - asshole.

Wow, you really know big words, don't you. Sorry I don't have a
microscope to see your MOMMY.

JJVP

Date: 08 Feb 2007 14:33:22
From: WW
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

I got your MOMMY right here - asshole.

Date: 08 Feb 2007 06:33:50
From: JJVP
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

On Feb 7, 4:17 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
> WE ALL READ THE ARTICLE. DID WE SEE THE LITTLE ITSY BITSY DATE ON THE
> TOP RIGHT? HELL NO.
>
> So if you posted a dated artilce from 1967 are we NOT supposed to
> debate it? That's what were doing....fuck off.

Again, you missed the whole point of the post. You should get your
mommy to explain it to you.

JJVP

Date: 07 Feb 2007 16:58:44
From:
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

On Feb 8, 6:41 am, "JJVP" <jjv...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I guess you failed to read the article. Please notice the date on the
> top right corner "Friday, Apr. 07, 1967". 40 years ago they were
> complaining about the same issues as today. That was the purpose of
> the post. I venture to say, that in 1927 they were also probably
> complaining abuot the same issues (technology and course setup).
>
> JJVP

While I don't have it to hand, there's an excerpt from Gene Sarazen's
autobio "Thirty Years of Championship Golf" that appeared in the 1954
anthology "The Complete Golfer" where the Squire was commenting along
very much these same lines concerning a certain tournament in Miami
Springs (most probably immediate postwar, he didn't give a date).

In short, he complained that the tournament directors did things like
cut the rough, use the ladies tees, put pins in the middle of greens,
ostensibly to encourage a rash of 61s and 62s.

"Well, they got a few 64s by such means, but these were a travesty on
the honest 67s that they had played."

Come to think of it, in Dick Aultman's bio piece on Harry Vardon in
"The Masters of Golf", there's a comment from Vardon to the effect
that the newly-introduced rubber-core ball would let the player "get
away" with certain liberties impossible with the gutta-percha.

And, back in the mists of time, I suppose there would have been those
opining that the feathery ball sorted the real golfers from the
wannabees using these newfangled gutties ...

Date: 07 Feb 2007 14:17:07
From: WW
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

WE ALL READ THE ARTICLE. DID WE SEE THE LITTLE ITSY BITSY DATE ON THE
TOP RIGHT? HELL NO.

So if you posted a dated artilce from 1967 are we NOT supposed to
debate it? That's what were doing....fuck off.

Date: 07 Feb 2007 12:41:36
From: JJVP
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

I guess you failed to read the article. Please notice the date on the
top right corner "Friday, Apr. 07, 1967". 40 years ago they were
complaining about the same issues as today. That was the purpose of
the post. I venture to say, that in 1927 they were also probably
complaining abuot the same issues (technology and course setup).

JJVP

On Feb 6, 7:01 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
> Is this YOUR opinion or just the article? Personally, I think "par" is
> a rediculious standard for the average golfer & should be raised. Your
> average good golfer shoots in the 80's. My son (17 now) strugles @
> golf... as do I . He'll shoot a 48 (9) which is Ok for a hacker that
> just started. Then he'll say, " I'm still 13 over par". I'de like to
> strangle him. Par is a PRO'S measuring stick. The PGA players are the
> best in the world, it's what they do for a living. They make it look
> easy but we know better. The fact that the best in the world (Tiger
> Woods) has to practise soo hard is a testimate to the game. All the
> pro's put in many many hours.

Date: 06 Feb 2007 18:37:20
From: WW
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

and your handicap? How many 72's have you shot? How many yr's playing?

Date: 06 Feb 2007 17:12:50
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

> Par is a PRO'S measuring stick.

Actually, par is the measuring stick for very good amateurs...

Date: 06 Feb 2007 17:01:53
From: WW
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

Is this YOUR opinion or just the article? Personally, I think "par" is
a rediculious standard for the average golfer & should be raised. Your
average good golfer shoots in the 80's. My son (17 now) strugles @
golf... as do I . He'll shoot a 48 (9) which is Ok for a hacker that
just started. Then he'll say, " I'm still 13 over par". I'de like to
strangle him. Par is a PRO'S measuring stick. The PGA players are the
best in the world, it's what they do for a living. They make it look
easy but we know better. The fact that the best in the world (Tiger
Woods) has to practise soo hard is a testimate to the game. All the
pro's put in many many hours.

Date: 07 Feb 2007 08:03:51
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)

On 6 Feb 2007 17:01:53 -0800, "WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote:

>Is this YOUR opinion or just the article? Personally, I think "par" is
>a rediculious standard for the average golfer & should be raised. Your
>average good golfer shoots in the 80's. My son (17 now) strugles @
>golf... as do I . He'll shoot a 48 (9) which is Ok for a hacker that
>just started. Then he'll say, " I'm still 13 over par". I'de like to
>strangle him. Par is a PRO'S measuring stick. The PGA players are the
>best in the world, it's what they do for a living. They make it look
>easy but we know better. The fact that the best in the world (Tiger
>Woods) has to practise soo hard is a testimate to the game. All the
>pro's put in many many hours.

Par is the expert golfer's measuring stick. The pros are better
than expert.

At one time, their was a separate calculation for bogey for average
avid golfers - but laziness converted that to par + 1 on each hole.

To tell the truth, par is useful for spectators - we can have a better
idea how close players are who are on different holes. And it is
useful for Stableford - but more often than not, it gets in the way of
st play for the rest of us.

When a golf tournament redefines a hold from a par-5 to a par-4, does
the pro change his strategy for that hole to match this change? That
would be stupid. It might be useful for spectators as being more
accurate at telling us how well the players are doing - but the
players play the course, not the par-rating.

Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:49:49
From:
Subject: Re: Technology and course setup making golf too easy for pro's :)