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Date: 22 Jan 2007 11:55:19
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C245003%2C00.html
Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
Sunday, January 21, 2007
Jan. 17: Ed Brown stands barricaded in the doorway of his home, saying
he is prepared for an armed standoff in Plainfield, N.H.
The New Hampshire man who is holed up with armed supporters in his
fortress-like house after being convicted of tax evasion says he just
wants everyone to pay attention and obey the law.
"I want people to realize that there is no such thing as an obligation
to pay income tax," said Edward Brown. "It has nothing to do with the
Constitution."
A jury ruled Thursday that Brown and his wife, Elaine, plotted to hide
their income and avoid taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million
between 1996 and 2003. Over 10 years, they also used $215,890 of postal
money orders broken into increments just below the reporting threshold
to pay for their hilltop compound and for Elaine Brown's dental
offices.
After the pair were convicted Thursday on 17 felony counts, Brown and a
group of supporters sequestered themselves in his home in Plainfield,
N.H.
They say there is no law stating that they must pay tax on Elaine
Brown's income. "We told them, 'Show us the law and we'll pay
immediately,'" Edward Brown said in an interview Friday.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 06:15:33
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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On Jan 23, 1:50 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
<josegoldb...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> MoiMoi wrote:
> > In article <1169516185.793723.274...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> > beta...@earthlink.net says...
>
> > > HAHAHA. You don't even understand the issue, you nitwit. The 16th
> > > amerndment was never ratified. That's what the tax protesters are
> > > saying. Get your butt outa your head.
>
> > "On February 25, 1913, the Republican Secretary of State Philander Knox
> > proclaimed that the amendment had been ratified by the necessary three-
> > quarters of the states ensuring the constitutionality of unapportioned
> > federal income taxes.
>
>Yes indeed. The govt just announced that it had been ratified even
> though it hadn't been.
So tell us which state complained at the time that it was listed as
ratifying it when it had not? What was the form of the complaint?
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 22:50:28
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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MoiMoi wrote:
> In article <1169516185.793723.274570@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> betaxxx@earthlink.net says...
> >
> > HAHAHA. You don't even understand the issue, you nitwit. The 16th
> > amerndment was never ratified. That's what the tax protesters are
> > saying. Get your butt outa your head.
>
> "On February 25, 1913, the Republican Secretary of State Philander Knox
> proclaimed that the amendment had been ratified by the necessary three-
> quarters of the states ensuring the constitutionality of unapportioned
> federal income taxes.
>
Yes indeed. The govt just announced that it had been ratified even
though it hadn't been. Just a complete bald-faced lie like the ones
we've been given recently. That Iraq had nuclear weapons and that arab
terrorists caused Building 7 to collapse on sept 11 by some sort of
mystery vibration. HAHAHA. Our government has a history of telling the
most blatant lies and only a fool takes their word on anything.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 19:33:35
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> John B. wrote:
>
> >
> > By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
> >
> > U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
> > The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
> > whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
> > States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
> >
> > Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
>
> HAHAHA. You don't even understand the issue, you nitwit. The 16th
> amerndment was never ratified. That's what the tax protesters are
> saying. Get your butt outa your head.
It was never ratified? Then what's it doing in the Constitution?
Somebody better tell the Constitution people there's been a big
mistake. They're going to have to repeal the Tax Code and give back all
the tax money that's been collected since the 1930s. Oh my God, this is
terrible!
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 03:42:35
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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On 22 Jan 2007 19:33:35 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>It was never ratified? Then what's it doing in the Constitution?
>Somebody better tell the Constitution people there's been a big
>mistake. They're going to have to repeal the Tax Code and give back all
>the tax money that's been collected since the 1930s. Oh my God, this is
>terrible!
A lot of legal experts argue that income tax was always legal. The
amendment (which was sold with the idea that most states did not have
anybody rich enough to pay income tax), just made it more palatable.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:36:25
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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John B. wrote:
>
> By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
>
> U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
> The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
> whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
> States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
>
> Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
HAHAHA. You don't even understand the issue, you nitwit. The 16th
amerndment was never ratified. That's what the tax protesters are
saying. Get your butt outa your head.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 22:36:37
From: MoiMoi
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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In article <1169516185.793723.274570@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com >,
betaxxx@earthlink.net says...
>
> John B. wrote:
>
> >
> > By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
> >
> > U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
> > The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
> > whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
> > States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
> >
> > Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
>
> HAHAHA. You don't even understand the issue, you nitwit. The 16th
> amerndment was never ratified. That's what the tax protesters are
> saying. Get your butt outa your head.
"On February 25, 1913, the Republican Secretary of State Philander Knox
proclaimed that the amendment had been ratified by the necessary three-
quarters of the states ensuring the constitutionality of unapportioned
federal income taxes.
The amendment was ratified by 42 states in all: Alabama on August 10, 1909,
Kentucky on February 8, 1910, South Carolina on February 19, Illinois on
ch 1, Mississippi on ch 7, Oklahoma on ch 10, yland on April
8, Georgia on August 3, Texas on August 16, Ohio on January 19, 1911,
Idaho on January 20, Oregon on January 23, Washington on January 26,
Indiana and Montana on January 30, California and Nevada on January 31,
South Dakota on February 3, Nebraska on February 9, North Carolina on
February 11, Colorado on February 15, North Dakota on February 17,
Kansas on February 18, Michigan on February 23, Iowa on February 24,
Missouri on ch 16, Maine on ch 31, Tennessee on April 7, Arkansas
on April 22, Wisconsin on May 26, New York on July 12, Arizona on April
6, 1912, Minnesota on June 11, Louisiana on June 28, West Virginia on
January 31, 1913, New Mexico on February 3 (the 36th state to ratify),
Delaware and Wyoming on February 3, New Jersey on February 4, Vermont on
February 19, Massachusetts on ch 4, and New Hampshire on ch 7.
Arizona and New Hampshire ratified after an earlier rejection.
Ratification was rejected by Rhode Island on April 29, 1910, Utah on
ch 9, 1911 Connecticut on June 28, 1911, and Florida on May 31, 1913.
Virginia and Pennsylvania failed to complete action on the amendment.
[8]"
Even though this is from Wikipedia, I'm pretty certain it is accurate.
(oh, crap, just realized this is the frigging GOLF forum, still) sigh...
MM
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:27:16
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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sfb wrote:
> What part about "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on
> incomes" don't you understand?
So which Law(s) did they pass that allows the collection of said taxes?
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 21:22:57
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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So many income tax laws that a NFL team couldn't carry the pile of paper.
"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1169515636.484347.242280@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> sfb wrote:
>> What part about "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes
>> on
>> incomes" don't you understand?
>
> So which Law(s) did they pass that allows the collection of said taxes?
>
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 14:56:24
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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sfb wrote:
> The Sixteen Amendment to the US Constitution isn't the law. It grants powers
> to pass laws, but it itself isn't the law.
Now that may be the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. "It grants
powers to pass laws," meaning what? That Congress can pass laws to
comport with the Constitution or not pass them as it sees fit? The
Constitution is just sort of a non-binding set of guidelines, is that
it?
>
> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1169499828.037917.159350@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C245003%2C00.html
> >>
> >> Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
> >>
> >> Sunday, January 21, 2007
> >>
> >> Jan. 17: Ed Brown stands barricaded in the doorway of his home, saying
> >> he is prepared for an armed standoff in Plainfield, N.H.
> >>
> >> The New Hampshire man who is holed up with armed supporters in his
> >> fortress-like house after being convicted of tax evasion says he just
> >> wants everyone to pay attention and obey the law.
> >>
> >> "I want people to realize that there is no such thing as an obligation
> >> to pay income tax," said Edward Brown. "It has nothing to do with the
> >> Constitution."
> >>
> >> A jury ruled Thursday that Brown and his wife, Elaine, plotted to hide
> >> their income and avoid taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million
> >> between 1996 and 2003. Over 10 years, they also used $215,890 of postal
> >> money orders broken into increments just below the reporting threshold
> >> to pay for their hilltop compound and for Elaine Brown's dental
> >> offices.
> >>
> >> After the pair were convicted Thursday on 17 felony counts, Brown and a
> >> group of supporters sequestered themselves in his home in Plainfield,
> >> N.H.
> >>
> >> They say there is no law stating that they must pay tax on Elaine
> >> Brown's income. "We told them, 'Show us the law and we'll pay
> >> immediately,'" Edward Brown said in an interview Friday.
> >
> >
> > By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
> >
> > U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
> > The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
> > whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
> > States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
> >
> > Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
> >
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 18:33:54
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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What part about "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on
incomes" don't you understand?
Note the total lack of details about what is income, deductions, or tax
rates in the Sixteenth Amendment.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169506583.955623.55510@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> sfb wrote:
>> The Sixteen Amendment to the US Constitution isn't the law. It grants
>> powers
>> to pass laws, but it itself isn't the law.
>
> Now that may be the dumbest thing I've read in a long time. "It grants
> powers to pass laws," meaning what? That Congress can pass laws to
> comport with the Constitution or not pass them as it sees fit? The
> Constitution is just sort of a non-binding set of guidelines, is that
> it?
>
>
>>
>> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1169499828.037917.159350@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C245003%2C00.html
>> >>
>> >> Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
>> >>
>> >> Sunday, January 21, 2007
>> >>
>> >> Jan. 17: Ed Brown stands barricaded in the doorway of his home, saying
>> >> he is prepared for an armed standoff in Plainfield, N.H.
>> >>
>> >> The New Hampshire man who is holed up with armed supporters in his
>> >> fortress-like house after being convicted of tax evasion says he just
>> >> wants everyone to pay attention and obey the law.
>> >>
>> >> "I want people to realize that there is no such thing as an obligation
>> >> to pay income tax," said Edward Brown. "It has nothing to do with the
>> >> Constitution."
>> >>
>> >> A jury ruled Thursday that Brown and his wife, Elaine, plotted to hide
>> >> their income and avoid taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million
>> >> between 1996 and 2003. Over 10 years, they also used $215,890 of
>> >> postal
>> >> money orders broken into increments just below the reporting threshold
>> >> to pay for their hilltop compound and for Elaine Brown's dental
>> >> offices.
>> >>
>> >> After the pair were convicted Thursday on 17 felony counts, Brown and
>> >> a
>> >> group of supporters sequestered themselves in his home in Plainfield,
>> >> N.H.
>> >>
>> >> They say there is no law stating that they must pay tax on Elaine
>> >> Brown's income. "We told them, 'Show us the law and we'll pay
>> >> immediately,'" Edward Brown said in an interview Friday.
>> >
>> >
>> > By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
>> >
>> > U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
>> > The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
>> > whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
>> > States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
>> >
>> > Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
>> >
>
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 13:03:48
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C245003%2C00.html
>
> Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
>
> Sunday, January 21, 2007
>
> Jan. 17: Ed Brown stands barricaded in the doorway of his home, saying
> he is prepared for an armed standoff in Plainfield, N.H.
>
> The New Hampshire man who is holed up with armed supporters in his
> fortress-like house after being convicted of tax evasion says he just
> wants everyone to pay attention and obey the law.
>
> "I want people to realize that there is no such thing as an obligation
> to pay income tax," said Edward Brown. "It has nothing to do with the
> Constitution."
>
> A jury ruled Thursday that Brown and his wife, Elaine, plotted to hide
> their income and avoid taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million
> between 1996 and 2003. Over 10 years, they also used $215,890 of postal
> money orders broken into increments just below the reporting threshold
> to pay for their hilltop compound and for Elaine Brown's dental
> offices.
>
> After the pair were convicted Thursday on 17 felony counts, Brown and a
> group of supporters sequestered themselves in his home in Plainfield,
> N.H.
>
> They say there is no law stating that they must pay tax on Elaine
> Brown's income. "We told them, 'Show us the law and we'll pay
> immediately,'" Edward Brown said in an interview Friday.
By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:00:57
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
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The Sixteen Amendment to the US Constitution isn't the law. It grants powers
to pass laws, but it itself isn't the law.
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169499828.037917.159350@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C245003%2C00.html
>>
>> Tax Fugitive Barricaded in House: 'Show Us the Law, and We'll Pay'
>>
>> Sunday, January 21, 2007
>>
>> Jan. 17: Ed Brown stands barricaded in the doorway of his home, saying
>> he is prepared for an armed standoff in Plainfield, N.H.
>>
>> The New Hampshire man who is holed up with armed supporters in his
>> fortress-like house after being convicted of tax evasion says he just
>> wants everyone to pay attention and obey the law.
>>
>> "I want people to realize that there is no such thing as an obligation
>> to pay income tax," said Edward Brown. "It has nothing to do with the
>> Constitution."
>>
>> A jury ruled Thursday that Brown and his wife, Elaine, plotted to hide
>> their income and avoid taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million
>> between 1996 and 2003. Over 10 years, they also used $215,890 of postal
>> money orders broken into increments just below the reporting threshold
>> to pay for their hilltop compound and for Elaine Brown's dental
>> offices.
>>
>> After the pair were convicted Thursday on 17 felony counts, Brown and a
>> group of supporters sequestered themselves in his home in Plainfield,
>> N.H.
>>
>> They say there is no law stating that they must pay tax on Elaine
>> Brown's income. "We told them, 'Show us the law and we'll pay
>> immediately,'" Edward Brown said in an interview Friday.
>
>
> By now I imagine someone has shown him this:
>
> U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
> The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
> whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
> States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
>
> Dumbass. Who else but Fox News would bother with a moron like that?
>
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