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Date: 31 Mar 2007 23:35:49
From: seveniron
Subject: Swing analysis please...
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Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
All criticism accepted humbly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
Rog
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 06:56:46
From: michaeld
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On 3 Apr, 23:55, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0400, "tin Levac"
>
> <v...@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
> >whatsoever.
>
> This shows your ignorance of the golf swing. Than again you're a
> troll too.
>
Same old rubbish from Laville....calling people trolls. Bit of a bully
ain't you?
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 12:41:45
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"seveniron" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:460ee251.0@entanet...
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>
> Rog
Here are just a few highlights of what's wrong:
(Lower right): Too much head movement (see "Lower Left" below).
(Upper right): Hands behind the ball at address
(Lower left): Chin down so far at address it gets in the way of the left
shoulder, which FORCES the head to move up to allow enough clearance for the
left shoulder. It wouldn't hurt for you to straighten the spine, too.
(Upper left): From this, it's clear that you're not using your right foot
to FIRE OFF OF. Instead, the right heel seems to come up AS A RESULT OF the
swing spinning around your body (rather than using it as a brace from which
to push), and as a result, you have no leverage.
Randy
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 18:25:01
From: Rog
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:6POdnUHvh4qnr4zbnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d@giganews.com...
> "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com> wrote in message
> news:460ee251.0@entanet...
>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>
>> Rog
>
> Here are just a few highlights of what's wrong:
>
> (Lower right): Too much head movement (see "Lower Left" below).
> (Upper right): Hands behind the ball at address
> (Lower left): Chin down so far at address it gets in the way of the left
> shoulder, which FORCES the head to move up to allow enough clearance for
> the left shoulder. It wouldn't hurt for you to straighten the spine, too.
> (Upper left): From this, it's clear that you're not using your right foot
> to FIRE OFF OF. Instead, the right heel seems to come up AS A RESULT OF
> the swing spinning around your body (rather than using it as a brace from
> which to push), and as a result, you have no leverage.
>
> Randy
>
All noted, thanks Randy.
I am a left hander playing right handed so perhaps this hinders the move to
the left.
eg If I were to throw a ball, javelin etc I would naturally shift to the
right.
Will post a further clip when more work has been done.
Rog
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:05:55
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:25:01 +0100, "Rog" <rog@repairman.com > wrote:
>
>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>news:6POdnUHvh4qnr4zbnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d@giganews.com...
>> "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com> wrote in message
>> news:460ee251.0@entanet...
>>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>>
>>> Rog
>>
>> Here are just a few highlights of what's wrong:
>>
>> (Lower right): Too much head movement (see "Lower Left" below).
>> (Upper right): Hands behind the ball at address
>> (Lower left): Chin down so far at address it gets in the way of the left
>> shoulder, which FORCES the head to move up to allow enough clearance for
>> the left shoulder. It wouldn't hurt for you to straighten the spine, too.
>> (Upper left): From this, it's clear that you're not using your right foot
>> to FIRE OFF OF. Instead, the right heel seems to come up AS A RESULT OF
>> the swing spinning around your body (rather than using it as a brace from
>> which to push), and as a result, you have no leverage.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>All noted, thanks Randy.
>I am a left hander playing right handed so perhaps this hinders the move to
>the left.
>eg If I were to throw a ball, javelin etc I would naturally shift to the
>right.
>Will post a further clip when more work has been done.
>Rog
The single most important thing a amateur must accomplish is to strike
the ball with ALL his weight off his back foot. At least at the early
stages, all our TPI drills are about that.
This is not perfect, but notice that I am POSTED when I hit that ball.
this is a 2i into a net on my pool deck. When your weight hits your
front heel and the clubs hits the ball at the same time-- the ball
goes straight and long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
Larry
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:29:15
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message
news:hcv213tdabr13sld6u3nsqjqfu1nlrhu88@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:25:01 +0100, "Rog" <rog@repairman.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>>news:6POdnUHvh4qnr4zbnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com> wrote in message
>>> news:460ee251.0@entanet...
>>>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>>>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>>>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>>>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>>>
>>>> Rog
>>>
>>> Here are just a few highlights of what's wrong:
>>>
>>> (Lower right): Too much head movement (see "Lower Left" below).
>>> (Upper right): Hands behind the ball at address
>>> (Lower left): Chin down so far at address it gets in the way of the
>>> left
>>> shoulder, which FORCES the head to move up to allow enough clearance for
>>> the left shoulder. It wouldn't hurt for you to straighten the spine,
>>> too.
>>> (Upper left): From this, it's clear that you're not using your right
>>> foot
>>> to FIRE OFF OF. Instead, the right heel seems to come up AS A RESULT OF
>>> the swing spinning around your body (rather than using it as a brace
>>> from
>>> which to push), and as a result, you have no leverage.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>All noted, thanks Randy.
>>I am a left hander playing right handed so perhaps this hinders the move
>>to
>>the left.
>>eg If I were to throw a ball, javelin etc I would naturally shift to the
>>right.
>>Will post a further clip when more work has been done.
>>Rog
>
> The single most important thing a amateur must accomplish is to strike
> the ball with ALL his weight off his back foot. At least at the early
> stages, all our TPI drills are about that.
>
> This is not perfect, but notice that I am POSTED when I hit that ball.
> this is a 2i into a net on my pool deck. When your weight hits your
> front heel and the clubs hits the ball at the same time-- the ball
> goes straight and long.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
>
> Larry
Without judging your peformance, I must disagree with you on the reason for
the ball to go straight and long.
I prefer to think that there is no single technique that can garrantee any
result whatsoever. On the other hand, if this one specific thing is not
achieved, the ball will certainly not go straight and long and it is not an
aspect of production of speed, instead it is the inherent quality of the
transmission of speed from the club to the ball.
Just by looking at the diversity of the methods used by all the successful
players, it is immediately obvious that no single technique can garrantee
any result. But there must be something that they're doing that brings them
this success so what is it? As soon as we stop looking at production of
speed and start looking at transmission of speed, it becomes so obvious it's
a shame the amount of time and effort we've been putting in everything else.
I think there's production of speed and transmission of speed. In other
words, there's swinging the club and striking the ball. I also think it's
more important to transmit the speed properly to the ball than anything
else. I think that you can lose more speed through faulty transmission that
any other way.
If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from the club
to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 09:44:52
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:29:15 -0400, "tin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
>
>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>news:hcv213tdabr13sld6u3nsqjqfu1nlrhu88@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:25:01 +0100, "Rog" <rog@repairman.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6POdnUHvh4qnr4zbnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:460ee251.0@entanet...
>>>>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>>>>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>>>>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>>>>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>>>>
>>>>> Rog
>>>>
>>>> Here are just a few highlights of what's wrong:
>>>>
>>>> (Lower right): Too much head movement (see "Lower Left" below).
>>>> (Upper right): Hands behind the ball at address
>>>> (Lower left): Chin down so far at address it gets in the way of the
>>>> left
>>>> shoulder, which FORCES the head to move up to allow enough clearance for
>>>> the left shoulder. It wouldn't hurt for you to straighten the spine,
>>>> too.
>>>> (Upper left): From this, it's clear that you're not using your right
>>>> foot
>>>> to FIRE OFF OF. Instead, the right heel seems to come up AS A RESULT OF
>>>> the swing spinning around your body (rather than using it as a brace
>>>> from
>>>> which to push), and as a result, you have no leverage.
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>All noted, thanks Randy.
>>>I am a left hander playing right handed so perhaps this hinders the move
>>>to
>>>the left.
>>>eg If I were to throw a ball, javelin etc I would naturally shift to the
>>>right.
>>>Will post a further clip when more work has been done.
>>>Rog
>>
>> The single most important thing a amateur must accomplish is to strike
>> the ball with ALL his weight off his back foot. At least at the early
>> stages, all our TPI drills are about that.
>>
>> This is not perfect, but notice that I am POSTED when I hit that ball.
>> this is a 2i into a net on my pool deck. When your weight hits your
>> front heel and the clubs hits the ball at the same time-- the ball
>> goes straight and long.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
>>
>> Larry
>
>Without judging your peformance, I must disagree with you on the reason for
>the ball to go straight and long.
>
>I prefer to think that there is no single technique that can garrantee any
>result whatsoever. On the other hand, if this one specific thing is not
>achieved, the ball will certainly not go straight and long and it is not an
>aspect of production of speed, instead it is the inherent quality of the
>transmission of speed from the club to the ball.
>
>Just by looking at the diversity of the methods used by all the successful
>players, it is immediately obvious that no single technique can garrantee
>any result. But there must be something that they're doing that brings them
>this success so what is it? As soon as we stop looking at production of
>speed and start looking at transmission of speed, it becomes so obvious it's
>a shame the amount of time and effort we've been putting in everything else.
>
>I think there's production of speed and transmission of speed. In other
>words, there's swinging the club and striking the ball. I also think it's
>more important to transmit the speed properly to the ball than anything
>else. I think that you can lose more speed through faulty transmission that
>any other way.
>
>If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from the club
>to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
It is not that mysterious or difficult. All we need to do is propel
the clubhead along or slightly from the inside of the target line for
an inch or so through the ball position-- and keep the clubhead
accelerating for distance.
All we need to do is avoid decelerating before impact and swiping
across the ball from out-to-in.
It is really that simple. The problem amateurs encounter is that in
order to do those things--and avoid those faults-- he must be "posted"
on his front leg at impact. He must either stand on his front leg,
stand with feet together, or learn to start his downswing with a
weight shift forward-- a hip turn toward the target.
Larry
>
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 17:25:57
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <ds0513p7lu5oh19m4ebgu3jam7hl3ocfjq@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> >If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from the club
> >to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
>
>
> It is not that mysterious or difficult. All we need to do is propel
> the clubhead along or slightly from the inside of the target line for
> an inch or so through the ball position-- and keep the clubhead
> accelerating for distance.
>
> All we need to do is avoid decelerating before impact and swiping
> across the ball from out-to-in.
>
> It is really that simple. The problem amateurs encounter is that in
> order to do those things--and avoid those faults-- he must be "posted"
> on his front leg at impact. He must either stand on his front leg,
> stand with feet together, or learn to start his downswing with a
> weight shift forward-- a hip turn toward the target.
A hip turn doesn't necessarily guarantee a weight shift and vice versa.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 18:18:34
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message
news:alangbaker-80DD78.10255703042007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ds0513p7lu5oh19m4ebgu3jam7hl3ocfjq@4ax.com>,
> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>
>> >If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from the
>> >club
>> >to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
>>
>>
>> It is not that mysterious or difficult. All we need to do is propel
>> the clubhead along or slightly from the inside of the target line for
>> an inch or so through the ball position-- and keep the clubhead
>> accelerating for distance.
>>
>> All we need to do is avoid decelerating before impact and swiping
>> across the ball from out-to-in.
>>
>> It is really that simple. The problem amateurs encounter is that in
>> order to do those things--and avoid those faults-- he must be "posted"
>> on his front leg at impact. He must either stand on his front leg,
>> stand with feet together, or learn to start his downswing with a
>> weight shift forward-- a hip turn toward the target.
>
> A hip turn doesn't necessarily guarantee a weight shift and vice versa.
>
Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
whatsoever.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 22:55:15
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0400, "tin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
>Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
>whatsoever.
This shows your ignorance of the golf swing. Than again you're a
troll too.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:11:42
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:55:15 GMT, David Laville
<dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0400, "tin Levac"
><vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
>>whatsoever.
>
>This shows your ignorance of the golf swing. Than again you're a
>troll too.
>
>
>
>David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>TB-8982
Hey, next time I am talking to TPI, I will tell them that David
Laville, GSEM, says all that stuff is BS.
Larry
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0400, "tin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
>
>"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>news:alangbaker-80DD78.10255703042007@news.telus.net...
>> In article <ds0513p7lu5oh19m4ebgu3jam7hl3ocfjq@4ax.com>,
>> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from the
>>> >club
>>> >to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is not that mysterious or difficult. All we need to do is propel
>>> the clubhead along or slightly from the inside of the target line for
>>> an inch or so through the ball position-- and keep the clubhead
>>> accelerating for distance.
>>>
>>> All we need to do is avoid decelerating before impact and swiping
>>> across the ball from out-to-in.
>>>
>>> It is really that simple. The problem amateurs encounter is that in
>>> order to do those things--and avoid those faults-- he must be "posted"
>>> on his front leg at impact. He must either stand on his front leg,
>>> stand with feet together, or learn to start his downswing with a
>>> weight shift forward-- a hip turn toward the target.
>>
>> A hip turn doesn't necessarily guarantee a weight shift and vice versa.
>>
>
>Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
>whatsoever.
Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
your clubhead path will be from out-to-in. That unless you are
built differently than other humans. You will be obliged to fight
slice by closing the clubhead before every shot!
If you become able to score while doing that-- you will join the
legion of middle handicappers who can never drop lower. Most amateur
rounds are ruined by erratic sideways shots-- caused by their
inability to consistently time the closing of the clubhead to prevent
slice.
Why not learn a fundamentally correct golf swing? Just tell the pro
you will persist as necessary and he will show you the drills and
exercises necessary to get your butt off your back foot!!! If you do
them and do them and do them, you can learn how the big boys hit golf
balls.
I thought the shortcut was TPI-- the combination of top level
instruction with golf biomechanics-- They show you how to teach your
body to maintain posture and flexibility for a good golf swing.
See http://www.mytpi.com for a certified instructor near you. You
can be ready by Summer!
Larry
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 12:03:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com >
wrote:
>Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
>weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
>your clubhead path will be from out-to-in.
Since at least 99% amateurs do not decelerate every swing, I infer
that your stat means that 99% amateurs occasionally don't shift their
weight completely.
Although I purposefully do not shift my weight in some shots that are
beyond my ability to do so well (when I am standing in a bunker and
the ball is waist height on the grass, for instance). But that
doesn't guarantee deceleration for that shot.
But inference that doesn't work with your explanation that *no* pros
do this.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:22:47
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:03:09 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
>>weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
>>your clubhead path will be from out-to-in.
>
>Since at least 99% amateurs do not decelerate every swing, I infer
>that your stat means that 99% amateurs occasionally don't shift their
>weight completely.
Wishful thinking. Actually 99% of amateurs fail to shift their
weight to their front leg at impact and as a consequence they do
indeed decelerate before impact. And because their right hip remains
in the way of their arms, their clubhead path crosses the target line
before it reaches the ball. They swipe across the ball from
out-to-in. They would slice every shot if they didn't close the
clubface to compensate. Simply look at your or nearly any amateur's
divots to verify.
Larry
>
>Although I purposefully do not shift my weight in some shots that are
>beyond my ability to do so well (when I am standing in a bunker and
>the ball is waist height on the grass, for instance). But that
>doesn't guarantee deceleration for that shot.
>
>But inference that doesn't work with your explanation that *no* pros
>do this.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 18:31:34
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <h0r713h8jqf9ljpj1bf0ik5adk3urblrua@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:03:09 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
> >>weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
> >>your clubhead path will be from out-to-in.
> >
> >Since at least 99% amateurs do not decelerate every swing, I infer
> >that your stat means that 99% amateurs occasionally don't shift their
> >weight completely.
>
> Wishful thinking. Actually 99% of amateurs fail to shift their
> weight to their front leg at impact and as a consequence they do
> indeed decelerate before impact. And because their right hip remains
> in the way of their arms, their clubhead path crosses the target line
> before it reaches the ball. They swipe across the ball from
> out-to-in. They would slice every shot if they didn't close the
> clubface to compensate. Simply look at your or nearly any amateur's
> divots to verify.
How, exactly, does "their right hip remain in the way of their arms"?
If you're talking about the usual, right-handed golfer, and early
transition/weight-shift would have the right hip rotated out towards the
ball more than a swing in which one hung back, making it *more* likely
that one would have to come from outside to inside to make contact. Thus
it would *promote* a slice, wouldn't it?
Hanging back with one's lower body would have the right hip most out of
the way of an inside to outside swing path.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 16:55:32
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:31:34 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net >
wrote:
>In article <h0r713h8jqf9ljpj1bf0ik5adk3urblrua@4ax.com>,
> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:03:09 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
>> >>weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
>> >>your clubhead path will be from out-to-in.
>> >
>> >Since at least 99% amateurs do not decelerate every swing, I infer
>> >that your stat means that 99% amateurs occasionally don't shift their
>> >weight completely.
>>
>> Wishful thinking. Actually 99% of amateurs fail to shift their
>> weight to their front leg at impact and as a consequence they do
>> indeed decelerate before impact. And because their right hip remains
>> in the way of their arms, their clubhead path crosses the target line
>> before it reaches the ball. They swipe across the ball from
>> out-to-in. They would slice every shot if they didn't close the
>> clubface to compensate. Simply look at your or nearly any amateur's
>> divots to verify.
>
>How, exactly, does "their right hip remain in the way of their arms"?
>
>If you're talking about the usual, right-handed golfer, and early
>transition/weight-shift would have the right hip rotated out towards the
>ball more than a swing in which one hung back, making it *more* likely
>that one would have to come from outside to inside to make contact. Thus
>it would *promote* a slice, wouldn't it?
>
>Hanging back with one's lower body would have the right hip most out of
>the way of an inside to outside swing path.
I'm sorry, but I am not going to take a minute to explain "golf 101"
to someone who should know the fundamentals. Read a book. Start
with "Bobby Jones on Golf"-- see the chapter on "The Magic Line."
Larry
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 00:01:54
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <nke813pd80h70sgkc7bdl2p95lofgc9vc2@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:31:34 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <h0r713h8jqf9ljpj1bf0ik5adk3urblrua@4ax.com>,
> > larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:03:09 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:45:15 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
> >> >>weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
> >> >>your clubhead path will be from out-to-in.
> >> >
> >> >Since at least 99% amateurs do not decelerate every swing, I infer
> >> >that your stat means that 99% amateurs occasionally don't shift their
> >> >weight completely.
> >>
> >> Wishful thinking. Actually 99% of amateurs fail to shift their
> >> weight to their front leg at impact and as a consequence they do
> >> indeed decelerate before impact. And because their right hip remains
> >> in the way of their arms, their clubhead path crosses the target line
> >> before it reaches the ball. They swipe across the ball from
> >> out-to-in. They would slice every shot if they didn't close the
> >> clubface to compensate. Simply look at your or nearly any amateur's
> >> divots to verify.
> >
> >How, exactly, does "their right hip remain in the way of their arms"?
> >
> >If you're talking about the usual, right-handed golfer, and early
> >transition/weight-shift would have the right hip rotated out towards the
> >ball more than a swing in which one hung back, making it *more* likely
> >that one would have to come from outside to inside to make contact. Thus
> >it would *promote* a slice, wouldn't it?
> >
> >Hanging back with one's lower body would have the right hip most out of
> >the way of an inside to outside swing path.
>
> I'm sorry, but I am not going to take a minute to explain "golf 101"
> to someone who should know the fundamentals. Read a book. Start
> with "Bobby Jones on Golf"-- see the chapter on "The Magic Line."
No one's asking your for "golf 101", Larry, just your explanation of
*your* claim.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 20:54:43
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0400, "tin Levac"
> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>>news:alangbaker-80DD78.10255703042007@news.telus.net...
>>> In article <ds0513p7lu5oh19m4ebgu3jam7hl3ocfjq@4ax.com>,
>>> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >If there's only one thing you do right and it's transmit speed from
>>>> >the
>>>> >club
>>>> >to the ball, then everything you must do right, you do it right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is not that mysterious or difficult. All we need to do is propel
>>>> the clubhead along or slightly from the inside of the target line for
>>>> an inch or so through the ball position-- and keep the clubhead
>>>> accelerating for distance.
>>>>
>>>> All we need to do is avoid decelerating before impact and swiping
>>>> across the ball from out-to-in.
>>>>
>>>> It is really that simple. The problem amateurs encounter is that in
>>>> order to do those things--and avoid those faults-- he must be "posted"
>>>> on his front leg at impact. He must either stand on his front leg,
>>>> stand with feet together, or learn to start his downswing with a
>>>> weight shift forward-- a hip turn toward the target.
>>>
>>> A hip turn doesn't necessarily guarantee a weight shift and vice versa.
>>>
>>
>>Precisely. There is on single technique that garrantees any result
>>whatsoever.
>
> Agreed. But it is absolutely guaranteed that if you DO NOT get your
> weight posted on your front foot at impact you will decelerate and
> your clubhead path will be from out-to-in. That unless you are
> built differently than other humans. You will be obliged to fight
> slice by closing the clubhead before every shot!
>
> If you become able to score while doing that-- you will join the
> legion of middle handicappers who can never drop lower. Most amateur
> rounds are ruined by erratic sideways shots-- caused by their
> inability to consistently time the closing of the clubhead to prevent
> slice.
>
> Why not learn a fundamentally correct golf swing? Just tell the pro
> you will persist as necessary and he will show you the drills and
> exercises necessary to get your butt off your back foot!!! If you do
> them and do them and do them, you can learn how the big boys hit golf
> balls.
>
> I thought the shortcut was TPI-- the combination of top level
> instruction with golf biomechanics-- They show you how to teach your
> body to maintain posture and flexibility for a good golf swing.
>
> See http://www.mytpi.com for a certified instructor near you. You
> can be ready by Summer!
>
> Larry
I think the same thing about fundamentally correct swing. But what is
fundamentally correct for me may be incorrect for you and vice versa. The
difference between let's say, your grip method and mine, makes the
"fundamentals" more peculiar than otherwise. Peculiar to you and peculiar to
me.
As soon as I began to distinguish between production of speed and
transmission of speed, I was able to distinguish between fundamental and
peculiar as well. Let's say I use the baseball grip while you use the
overlap grip. I could then say that I have a peculiar method to grip the
club. I could say that you have a peculiar method to grip the club as well.
Here we both have the same fundamental method to grip the club "grip club
with both hands" but we each have a slightly different, thus peculiar method
to grip the club: Me the baseball way, you the overlap way.
The same can be said of any other specific technique in the production of
speed. The same can _not_ be said for the transmisson of speed. Here with
transmission of speed, there is only one correct method and this method does
garrantee the intended result. Transmission of speed is ruled by the laws of
the universe, thus it is fundamental in nature and will remain so no matter
how we look at it.
From any peculiar method used in the production of speed, we can arrive at
the same specific method of transmission of speed. If we only look at the
diversity of the methods used by all the successful players, it becomes
obvious. For example, Jim Furyk versus Ernie Els. Both have wildly different
swings i.e. methods to produce speed but according to each player's results,
it's obvious that both methods will arrive at the correct fundamental aspect
of the golf swing which is ultimately proper contact.
Granted, through extensive analysis, we find common details in most
successful players' methods. I say most because there are still some that
have defied this commonality and still produced a level of success that
can't just be denied and dismissed as luck. But perhaps this commonality
isn't so much related to the technique in the production of speed. Instead,
perhaps it's much more closely related to the intended result: Proper
contact.
Working our way forward, we could analyse one specific player's method for
example Ben Hogan's, devise a way to teach this method and ultimately arrive
at the intended result of proper contact. Or, we could work our way
backwards by first knowing exactly what contact produces what ball flight,
practice it extensively, try everything, keep what works, discard what
doesn't, and ultimately arrive at this commonality anyway. I prefer the
second.
The question that begs to be asked is how did we, how did anybody learn the
"fundamentals" in the first place?
Here I make the distinction between proper contact and improper contact with
these two simple logic statements: Proper contact is what will produce the
intended result while any other contact that produces any other result is
improper contact. Granted, there is a great range of acceptable results
(depending on your skill level and expectations) when compared to the
intended result, nevertheless these acceptable results were caused by
improper contact however slight.
It is my firm conviction that focusing on making proper contact and nothing
else will lead one to arrive at those "fundamentals" that are considered
common to every great player. Even if one doesn't arrive at those
fundamentals, he'll still have achieved proper contact in the process. I'm
not convinced of the same thing about any other specific technique.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 21:17:00
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote
>
> This is not perfect,
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
Never have you been more correct.
Randy
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 09:40:04
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:17:00 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote
>>
>> This is not perfect,
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
>
>
>
>Never have you been more correct.
>
>Randy
Who needs "perfect?" Hogan said it is futile and silly to go for
more than "functional" in a golf swing. We know his name because he
boiled his swing down to the basics, just the bare minimum necessary
to propel the ball straight consistently.
TPI and many other authorities recognize that 99% of amateurs hit
every ball with weight retained on their back foot. As a consequence,
they fight slice every swing. Their clubhead path is necessarily from
out to in as it strikes the ball and their clubhead decelerates before
it gets there--unless they play the ball far back in their stance.
They groove a fundamental fault deeper every time they swing.
ERGO, if TPI is to help a golfer break out of that cycle, the first
hurdle is to make us get our weight off our back foot at impact. THAT
is my goal right now-- and I am getting close.
Post your swing--
Larry
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 17:24:57
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <1d05135t3l4s12jekuvorci45hi61ntvcr@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:17:00 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote
> >>
> >> This is not perfect,
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
> >
> >
> >
> >Never have you been more correct.
> >
> >Randy
>
> Who needs "perfect?" Hogan said it is futile and silly to go for
> more than "functional" in a golf swing. We know his name because he
> boiled his swing down to the basics, just the bare minimum necessary
> to propel the ball straight consistently.
Who needs perfect? Apparently, you do...
...at least immediately after telling us about your latest "secret" to
golf.
>
> TPI and many other authorities recognize that 99% of amateurs hit
> every ball with weight retained on their back foot. As a consequence,
> they fight slice every swing. Their clubhead path is necessarily from
> out to in as it strikes the ball and their clubhead decelerates before
> it gets there--unless they play the ball far back in their stance.
> They groove a fundamental fault deeper every time they swing.
Sorry, but hanging back does *not* automatically cause slicing. If
anything it causes *hooking*.
>
> ERGO, if TPI is to help a golfer break out of that cycle, the first
> hurdle is to make us get our weight off our back foot at impact. THAT
> is my goal right now-- and I am getting close.
>
> Post your swing--
Already done. It's far *far* batter than yours and I didn't have to
spend $200,000 to get it!
--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:28:41
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:57 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net >
wrote:
. It's far *far* batter than yours
You really should have someone look over your posts before you send--
so your spelling and gram won't continue to expose an illiterate
moron.
Larry
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 00:38:51
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <u3l513p9ulc1fccbnjg8uq72b206l8dbju@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:57 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> . It's far *far* batter than yours
>
> You really should have someone look over your posts before you send--
> so your spelling and gram won't continue to expose an illiterate
> moron.
>
> Larry
LOL
That's all you've got: a typo?
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 00:10:35
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On 3-Apr-2007, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:57 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> >wrote:
> >It's far *far* batter than yours
>
> You really should have someone look over your posts before you send--
> so your spelling and gram won't continue to expose an illiterate
> moron.
Crap, broke another "irony" meter. Good thing they're cheap...
me
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 22:32:31
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On 31, 5:35 pm, "seveniron" <r...@repairman.com > wrote:
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>
> Rog
Not a bad swing, are you really having trouble breaking 100?
Looks like you should be shooting in the 80s.
I don't mind the lateral head movement on the backswing.
Some pros slide their heads quite a bit, others don't do it
much at all. However, very few pros lift their heads
in the backswing (I can only think of Kenny Perry),
which is what you do.
You need to turn the whole upper
part of your back when you turn your shoulders. Your
left shoulder needs to move downward slightly on the
backswing, it can't slide flat. Otherwise, you head will
lift. Also make sure you keep your right knee flexed
on the backswing. Straightening it can cause your
head to raise, too.
The pictures are small, and the camera placement is
poor, expecially for the down-the-line and face-on views.
This makes it tough to see details of the swing plane
and impact. But I agree with Ben's comment that the
swing looks a little flat (but only just a little if you are
trying for a Hardy 1P swing).
You do a lot of things very well, though.
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:52:29
From: seveniron
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175405551.026522.200590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 31, 5:35 pm, "seveniron" <r...@repairman.com> wrote:
>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>
>> Rog
>
> Not a bad swing, are you really having trouble breaking 100?
> Looks like you should be shooting in the 80s.
>
> I don't mind the lateral head movement on the backswing.
> Some pros slide their heads quite a bit, others don't do it
> much at all. However, very few pros lift their heads
> in the backswing (I can only think of Kenny Perry),
> which is what you do.
>
> You need to turn the whole upper
> part of your back when you turn your shoulders. Your
> left shoulder needs to move downward slightly on the
> backswing, it can't slide flat. Otherwise, you head will
> lift. Also make sure you keep your right knee flexed
> on the backswing. Straightening it can cause your
> head to raise, too.
>
> The pictures are small, and the camera placement is
> poor, expecially for the down-the-line and face-on views.
> This makes it tough to see details of the swing plane
> and impact. But I agree with Ben's comment that the
> swing looks a little flat (but only just a little if you are
> trying for a Hardy 1P swing).
>
> You do a lot of things very well, though.
>
Thanks for the feedback, I needed someone to pick out the faults, the head
movement resulting from the incorrect turn in particular. This I will work
on first.
I have a tape of 'Golf my way' by Nicklaus and notice that when using his
five iron the club is nowhere near parallel on his backswing, when I have
the club in a similar position it feels like a 3/4 swing. Something to be
learned from that.
The game (matchplay) went well today but my short game caused a few blow-up
holes and kept the numbers high.
Thanks all.
Rog
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 13:43:34
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:52:29 +0100, "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com >
wrote:
>
>"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1175405551.026522.200590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On 31, 5:35 pm, "seveniron" <r...@repairman.com> wrote:
>>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
>>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
>>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
>>> All criticism accepted humbly.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>>>
>>> Rog
You were very late. Your weight was still on your back foot when you
made contact-- which means that you either sliced or pull-hooked--
unless you luckily timed a quick wrist manipulation.
In order to hit it straight consistently, we must contact the ball at
the instant our weight is on our front foot--
To prove that, simply hit balls with your feet tightly together--and
notice they all go straight. Better yet, hit balls standing on only
your left foot, the right behind you unweighted.
Larry
>>
>> Not a bad swing, are you really having trouble breaking 100?
>> Looks like you should be shooting in the 80s.
>>
>> I don't mind the lateral head movement on the backswing.
>> Some pros slide their heads quite a bit, others don't do it
>> much at all. However, very few pros lift their heads
>> in the backswing (I can only think of Kenny Perry),
>> which is what you do.
>>
>> You need to turn the whole upper
>> part of your back when you turn your shoulders. Your
>> left shoulder needs to move downward slightly on the
>> backswing, it can't slide flat. Otherwise, you head will
>> lift. Also make sure you keep your right knee flexed
>> on the backswing. Straightening it can cause your
>> head to raise, too.
>>
>> The pictures are small, and the camera placement is
>> poor, expecially for the down-the-line and face-on views.
>> This makes it tough to see details of the swing plane
>> and impact. But I agree with Ben's comment that the
>> swing looks a little flat (but only just a little if you are
>> trying for a Hardy 1P swing).
>>
>> You do a lot of things very well, though.
>>
>
>Thanks for the feedback, I needed someone to pick out the faults, the head
>movement resulting from the incorrect turn in particular. This I will work
>on first.
>I have a tape of 'Golf my way' by Nicklaus and notice that when using his
>five iron the club is nowhere near parallel on his backswing, when I have
>the club in a similar position it feels like a 3/4 swing. Something to be
>learned from that.
>The game (matchplay) went well today but my short game caused a few blow-up
>holes and kept the numbers high.
>Thanks all.
>Rog
>
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 14:44:16
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On 1-Apr-2007, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> In order to hit it straight consistently, we must contact the ball at
> the instant our weight is on our front foot--
In case you haven't been reading RSG very long, Larry here is our resident
troll. He deliberately posts slightly misleading statements just to
garner responses so take his suggestions with a (very large) grain of
salt.
Oh and btw, Larry, your weight should be shifted to your front foot
BEFORE impact......
me
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:00:16
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:44:16 GMT, "Sparky" <biff@funco.com > wrote:
>
>On 1-Apr-2007, larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>
>> In order to hit it straight consistently, we must contact the ball at
>> the instant our weight is on our front foot--
>
> In case you haven't been reading RSG very long, Larry here is our resident
> troll. He deliberately posts slightly misleading statements just to
> garner responses so take his suggestions with a (very large) grain of
> salt.
>
> Oh and btw, Larry, your weight should be shifted to your front foot
> BEFORE impact......
I thought that too-- but it is AS you post your weight. look at any
video swing sequence of a top player to verify. Not early and not
late for the best accuracy and distance.
One of the drills to get the correct feeling is hitting balls while on
our front foot only --the other behind us for balance. Amazing how
soon you can hit them straight and decently long like that.
Larry
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 01:52:24
From: George Orwell
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <u660139o890ni03sms3ut032bc8udu5vu4@4ax.com >
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
>
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:52:29 +0100, "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1175405551.026522.200590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> On 31, 5:35 pm, "seveniron" <r...@repairman.com> wrote:
> >>> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> >>> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> >>> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> >>> All criticism accepted humbly.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
> >>>
> >>> Rog
>
> You were very late. Your weight was still on your back foot when you
> made contact-- which means that you either sliced or pull-hooked--
> unless you luckily timed a quick wrist manipulation.
>
> In order to hit it straight consistently, we must contact the ball at
> the instant our weight is on our front foot--
>
> To prove that, simply hit balls with your feet tightly together--and
> notice they all go straight. Better yet, hit balls standing on only
> your left foot, the right behind you unweighted.
>
> Larry
>
>
> >>
> >> Not a bad swing, are you really having trouble breaking 100?
> >> Looks like you should be shooting in the 80s.
> >>
> >> I don't mind the lateral head movement on the backswing.
> >> Some pros slide their heads quite a bit, others don't do it
> >> much at all. However, very few pros lift their heads
> >> in the backswing (I can only think of Kenny Perry),
> >> which is what you do.
> >>
> >> You need to turn the whole upper
> >> part of your back when you turn your shoulders. Your
> >> left shoulder needs to move downward slightly on the
> >> backswing, it can't slide flat. Otherwise, you head will
> >> lift. Also make sure you keep your right knee flexed
> >> on the backswing. Straightening it can cause your
> >> head to raise, too.
> >>
> >> The pictures are small, and the camera placement is
> >> poor, expecially for the down-the-line and face-on views.
> >> This makes it tough to see details of the swing plane
> >> and impact. But I agree with Ben's comment that the
> >> swing looks a little flat (but only just a little if you are
> >> trying for a Hardy 1P swing).
> >>
> >> You do a lot of things very well, though.
> >>
> >
> >Thanks for the feedback, I needed someone to pick out the faults, the head
> >movement resulting from the incorrect turn in particular. This I will work
Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball. Your credibility is zero, including golf.
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:31:37
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
<nobody@mixmaster.it > wrote:
>
>Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball. Your credibility is zero, including golf.
I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros who
teach touring pros.
How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the golf
swing???
Larry
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 02:10:11
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <14n013pkpo9n4rajeipo71dqbahcsogq9d@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> >
> >Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball. Your
> >credibility is zero, including golf.
>
> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros who
> teach touring pros.
>
>
> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the golf
> swing???
>
> Larry
Given the number of systems you've touted as being *the* secret, what is
your basis for interpreting what you're being taught?
How do you know that what you're being taught isn't what *you* need as
opposed to what *everyone* needs.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 00:10:24
From: GaryC_47
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message
news:alangbaker-7E105C.19101101042007@news.telus.net...
> In article <14n013pkpo9n4rajeipo71dqbahcsogq9d@4ax.com>,
> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
>> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>> >
>> >Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball.
>> >Your
>> >credibility is zero, including golf.
>>
>> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros
>> who
>> teach touring pros.
>>
>>
>> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the
>> golf
>> swing???
>>
>> Larry
>
> Given the number of systems you've touted as being *the* secret,
> what is
> your basis for interpreting what you're being taught?
>
> How do you know that what you're being taught isn't what *you*
> need as
> opposed to what *everyone* needs.
>
TPI = Titleist Performance Institute
http://mytpi.com/default.asp
It's what *everyone* needs. Fitness & health - golf specific
excercise. Highly recommended. Larry is on the right track with
this.
You may have seen the Golf Fitness Academy on the Golf Channel.
(It doesn't teach Larry how to analyse swing video's, however.)
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 14:55:06
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:10:24 -0400, "GaryC_47"
<garyc_48_minus_1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>news:alangbaker-7E105C.19101101042007@news.telus.net...
>> In article <14n013pkpo9n4rajeipo71dqbahcsogq9d@4ax.com>,
>> larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
>>> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball.
>>> >Your
>>> >credibility is zero, including golf.
>>>
>>> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros
>>> who
>>> teach touring pros.
>>>
>>>
>>> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the
>>> golf
>>> swing???
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>> Given the number of systems you've touted as being *the* secret,
>> what is
>> your basis for interpreting what you're being taught?
>>
>> How do you know that what you're being taught isn't what *you*
>> need as
>> opposed to what *everyone* needs.
>>
>
>TPI = Titleist Performance Institute
>
> http://mytpi.com/default.asp
>
>It's what *everyone* needs. Fitness & health - golf specific
>excercise. Highly recommended. Larry is on the right track with
>this.
>
>You may have seen the Golf Fitness Academy on the Golf Channel.
>
>(It doesn't teach Larry how to analyse swing video's, however.)
Actually it does. Since we study the psysiology of the body vis-a-vis
the golf swing, we must know the movements in a good golf swing. TPI
gives us drills to correct specific (and very common) faults. We know
what most amateurs do --and fail to do. Obviously we recognize those
faults in ourselves and others.
I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers. When we
finally learn to hit every ball with weight totally on our front foot
like the pros do-- we are ready to hit fairways and greens, and with a
short game, shoot par most times out.
TPI came about because essentially all amateurs get tired and lose the
ability to hold their posture during their swings-- So rather than
just educating them about the swing, rather than provide more lessons
or clinics, TPI endeavors to make amateurs flexible and strong enough
to make all good swings for a whole round of golf--and create a habit
of fitness that will change their life.
This is not trivial. It is relatively expensive (about the cost of a
top driver), requires months of 3/week stretching and strengthening
sessions, which are accompanied and followed by unlimited guidance
from the teaching pros who become TPI Certified Instructors. I
strongly recommend TPI for anyone who is serious about improving his
golf-- and his fitness!
I did my 1 hour stretching/strengthening session this morning and then
walked up and down 10 flights of stairs--10 times! I am building up
my legs big time!
See http://www.mytpi.com for more details and to find a certified
instructor near you. Titieist is selecting only the top pros in each
area, usually the head pro or Director of Golf at area clubs. He
will be both knowledgeable on fitness as well as a top teaching pro.
Larry
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 20:49:37
From: seveniron
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message
news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
<snip >
> I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
> back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
> amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
> the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
<snip >
> Larry
At which point do we become an elite golfer?
It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
Perhaps I am just a poor example
Rog
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:33:32
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:49:37 +0100, "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com >
wrote:
>
>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
><snip>
>> I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>> back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>> amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>> the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
><snip>
>
>> Larry
>
>At which point do we become an elite golfer?
>It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
>Perhaps I am just a poor example
>Rog
According to TPI, at least 99% of Amateurs lag back-- and NO
professionals. Pretty conclusive evidence that that alone defines
the difference. And because lagging back always includes deceleration
and an out-to-in clubhead path at impact, those who do that cannot
score consistently--seldom break 80--even with a great short game. If
they swing hard enough to get distance, they play the treeline and hit
OB quite often.
So yes, odds are quite good that essentially everyone on RSG lags
back--unless they play scratch or ++ level golf.
Larry
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 00:37:43
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <dal513ht27aid1m1r4mth0fvlb23f9k99a@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:49:37 +0100, "seveniron" <rog@repairman.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
> >news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
> ><snip>
> >> I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
> >> back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
> >> amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
> >> the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Larry
> >
> >At which point do we become an elite golfer?
> >It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
> >Perhaps I am just a poor example
> >Rog
>
> According to TPI, at least 99% of Amateurs lag back-- and NO
> professionals. Pretty conclusive evidence that that alone defines
> the difference. And because lagging back always includes deceleration
> and an out-to-in clubhead path at impact, those who do that cannot
> score consistently--seldom break 80--even with a great short game. If
> they swing hard enough to get distance, they play the treeline and hit
> OB quite often.
According to *whom* at TPI, Larry? Be specific and then let us confirm
it.
>
> So yes, odds are quite good that essentially everyone on RSG lags
> back--unless they play scratch or ++ level golf.
But not you, right Larry? You mastered that last year...
...oh, wait...
...since TPI is giving you drills, I guess when you told us you had it
mastered you were just making it up.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 22:55:15
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:33:32 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com >
wrote:
>According to TPI, at least 99% of Amateurs lag back-- and NO
>professionals.
They must have missed Davis Love III. But than again Larry is just a
troll.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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seveniron wrote:
> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
> news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
> <snip>
>
>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
>
> <snip>
>
>>Larry
>
>
> At which point do we become an elite golfer?
> It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
> Perhaps I am just a poor example
> Rog
>
>
Hey Rog,
You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
position I think. YMMV.
Rob
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 22:55:15
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net >
wrote:
>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
Wasn't it the "transition" last month?
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:10:28
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:55:15 GMT, David Laville
<dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>
>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>
>Wasn't it the "transition" last month?
You, as a GURU of the golf swing, should know better than me that it
is all part of the same answer-- we "transition" from our backswing to
our downswing with a weight shift to our front leg.
Larry
>
>
>
>David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>TB-8982
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:36:40
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net >
wrote:
>seveniron wrote:
>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>> news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
>> <snip>
>>
>>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>Larry
>>
>>
>> At which point do we become an elite golfer?
>> It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
>> Perhaps I am just a poor example
>> Rog
>>
>>
>
>Hey Rog,
>
>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>
>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>position I think. YMMV.
>
>Rob
I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
Larry
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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larry wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>seveniron wrote:
>>
>>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>>>news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>>>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>>>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>>>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>At which point do we become an elite golfer?
>>>It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
>>>Perhaps I am just a poor example
>>>Rog
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hey Rog,
>>
>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>>
>>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>>position I think. YMMV.
>>
>>Rob
>
>
> I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
> exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
> feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
> the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
>
> Larry
Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
as you claim? I doubt it.
Rob
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net >
wrote:
>larry wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>seveniron wrote:
>>>
>>>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>>>>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>>>>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>>>>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
>>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At which point do we become an elite golfer?
>>>>It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
>>>>Perhaps I am just a poor example
>>>>Rog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Rog,
>>>
>>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>>>
>>>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>>>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>>>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>>>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>>>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>>>position I think. YMMV.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>
>> I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
>> exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
>> feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
>> the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
>>
>> Larry
>
>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>as you claim? I doubt it.
>
>Rob
They told me that.
To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
Larry
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 03:48:41
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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larry wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>larry wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>seveniron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
>>>>>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
>>>>>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
>>>>>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
>>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At which point do we become an elite golfer?
>>>>>It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
>>>>>Perhaps I am just a poor example
>>>>>Rog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Rog,
>>>>
>>>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>>>>
>>>>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>>>>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>>>>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>>>>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>>>>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>>>>position I think. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
>>>exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
>>>feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
>>>the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
>>>
>>>Larry
>>
>>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
>>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
>>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
>>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>>as you claim? I doubt it.
>>
>>Rob
>
>
> They told me that.
>
> To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
> get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
> that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
> amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
>
> Larry
Just as I expected ... no reference ... making it up as you go ... the
"source" of your "facts" is your own imagination.
Rob
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com >
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
>>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
>>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
>>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>>as you claim? I doubt it.
>>
>>Rob
>
>They told me that.
>
>To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
>get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
>that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
>amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
>
>Larry
So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
make such a statement.
Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
___,
\o
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 16:58:54
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>>wrote:
>
>>>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
>>>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
>>>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
>>>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
>>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>>>as you claim? I doubt it.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>They told me that.
>>
>>To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
>>get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
>>that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
>>amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
>>
>>Larry
>
>So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
>told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
>make such a statement.
>
>Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
>
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 07:29:05
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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Here's the latest in a series of videos on the weight shift:
http://www.inpractis.com/tech-tiparchive.php?day=20070401&format=avi
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 00:55:35
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:58:54 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com >
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>>>>as you claim? I doubt it.
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>
>>>They told me that.
>>>Larry
>>
>>So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
>>told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
>>make such a statement.
>>
>>Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
>>
>>bk
>
>http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200703leadbetter2.html
>
>Notice the difference between pros and amateurs. Pros nearly JUMP
>onto their front foot at the start of the downswing-- putting more
>than their body weight on that foot. That means they unweight their
>back foot.
Damn LLLLLLarrrry, that's a given. YOU said 99%, and then published
the link above. Well, I read that link and the only thing said in it
about weight shift was:
"The elite players at impact were very light on their feet, because
they had transferred 75 percent of their body weight into the hit;
amateurs transferred only 50 percent".
Notice that it says "elite" players, not pros or amateurs.
Plus, nowhere does it say 99%.
Again, you've pulled a stat out of your ass and can't back it up.
>Amateurs lag back--with weight retained on their back foot-- which is
>very likely what is wrong with your golf swing.
>
Some amateurs do, some pros do. You have a lot of balls to even guess
what is wrong with anyone else's swing. Look at that joke of yours on
You Tube.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 09:28:20
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:55:35 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:58:54 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
>>>>>as you claim? I doubt it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>
>>>>They told me that.
>
>>>>Larry
>>>
>>>So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
>>>told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
>>>make such a statement.
>>>
>>>Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
>>>
>
>>>bk
>>
>>http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200703leadbetter2.html
>>
>>Notice the difference between pros and amateurs. Pros nearly JUMP
>>onto their front foot at the start of the downswing-- putting more
>>than their body weight on that foot. That means they unweight their
>>back foot.
>
>Damn LLLLLLarrrry, that's a given. YOU said 99%, and then published
>the link above. Well, I read that link and the only thing said in it
>about weight shift was:
>
>"The elite players at impact were very light on their feet, because
>they had transferred 75 percent of their body weight into the hit;
>amateurs transferred only 50 percent".
>
>Notice that it says "elite" players, not pros or amateurs.
> Plus, nowhere does it say 99%.
>
>Again, you've pulled a stat out of your ass and can't back it up.
>
>>Amateurs lag back--with weight retained on their back foot-- which is
>>very likely what is wrong with your golf swing.
>>
>Some amateurs do, some pros do. You have a lot of balls to even guess
>what is wrong with anyone else's swing. Look at that joke of yours on
>You Tube.
It says the pro almost JUMPS onto his front foot-- putting more weight
there at the start of his downswing than his body weight!!!
I try to do that too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
TPI said this is not bad-- not perfect, but big progress for me since
I am working ONLY to get myself "posted" at impact.
Post yours, please. Since you said my swing is a "joke," lets let
everyone compare.
Larry
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 17:10:10
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <6m8a13tkgdb4qms68unrnjv6qvj8s5fmp3@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:55:35 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:58:54 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>
> >
> >>>>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
> >>>>>as you claim? I doubt it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Rob
> >>>>
> >>>>They told me that.
> >
> >>>>Larry
> >>>
> >>>So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
> >>>told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
> >>>make such a statement.
> >>>
> >>>Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
> >>>
> >
> >>>bk
> >>
> >>http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200703leadbet
> >>ter2.html
> >>
> >>Notice the difference between pros and amateurs. Pros nearly JUMP
> >>onto their front foot at the start of the downswing-- putting more
> >>than their body weight on that foot. That means they unweight their
> >>back foot.
> >
> >Damn LLLLLLarrrry, that's a given. YOU said 99%, and then published
> >the link above. Well, I read that link and the only thing said in it
> >about weight shift was:
> >
> >"The elite players at impact were very light on their feet, because
> >they had transferred 75 percent of their body weight into the hit;
> >amateurs transferred only 50 percent".
> >
> >Notice that it says "elite" players, not pros or amateurs.
> > Plus, nowhere does it say 99%.
> >
> >Again, you've pulled a stat out of your ass and can't back it up.
> >
> >>Amateurs lag back--with weight retained on their back foot-- which is
> >>very likely what is wrong with your golf swing.
> >>
> >Some amateurs do, some pros do. You have a lot of balls to even guess
> >what is wrong with anyone else's swing. Look at that joke of yours on
> >You Tube.
>
> It says the pro almost JUMPS onto his front foot-- putting more weight
> there at the start of his downswing than his body weight!!!
It also says that the pro uses his hands to actively push the clubhead
down, but that violates one of your sacred cows, doesn't it?
>
> I try to do that too.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorRZAYzR2A
>
> TPI said this is not bad-- not perfect, but big progress for me since
> I am working ONLY to get myself "posted" at impact.
Only trouble is: you told us you'd mastered that -- what -- a year ago?
More?
>
> Post yours, please. Since you said my swing is a "joke," lets let
> everyone compare.
>
> Larry
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 00:27:30
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Weight and forces. Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <7pe813prbvt5qqi0if1gggsf6cikkef015@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> >>wrote:
> >
> >>>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
> >>>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
> >>>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
> >>>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
> >>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
> >>>as you claim? I doubt it.
> >>>
> >>>Rob
> >>
> >>They told me that.
> >>
> >>To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
> >>get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
> >>that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
> >>amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
> >>
> >>Larry
> >
> >So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
> >told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
> >make such a statement.
> >
> >Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
> >
> > ___,
> > \o
> >
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 00:03:45
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <7pe813prbvt5qqi0if1gggsf6cikkef015@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:28:19 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:18:45 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:04:43 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> >>wrote:
> >
> >>>Glad it's working for you ... TPI may be the "source of [your]
> >>>knowledge", but I don't believe it's the source of the "facts" or
> >>>opinions you post here. I googled "lagging back" plus "titleist
> >>>performance institute", and the only reference I found was your post.
> >>>Care to point us to the quote where they say "99% of Amateurs lag back"
> >>>as you claim? I doubt it.
> >>>
> >>>Rob
> >>
> >>They told me that.
> >>
> >>To learn it for yourself, simply go to a TPI certified Instructor and
> >>get yourself evaluated. When he sees your swing, he will tell you
> >>that the exercises and drills will help you stop lagging back-- the
> >>amateur's disease you almost certainly have.
> >>
> >>Larry
> >
> >So, you cannot cite the TPI web site as having said this? You were
> >told by an anonymous instructor, who may, or may not, be qualified to
> >make such a statement.
> >
> >Or were you? Your track record here regarding truth isn't pristine.
> >
> > ___,
> > \o
> >
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 00:36:03
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <vil513d9e7at7ripg81s5q2oamfljkdmkd@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >seveniron wrote:
> >> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
> >> news:but2131u5uhn8fsgve60vm7e9capmsi75d@4ax.com...
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>I immediately noticed that the poster failed to get his weight off his
> >>>back foot before impact-- by far the most common fault of
> >>>amateurs--and a fault that NO pro makes. In fact "lagging back" is
> >>>the ubiquitious fault of all but the elite among golfers.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>Larry
> >>
> >>
> >> At which point do we become an elite golfer?
> >> It seems the whole of RSG needs to take advice and quit 'lagging back'.
> >> Perhaps I am just a poor example
> >> Rog
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hey Rog,
> >
> >You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
> >lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
> >terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
> >no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
> >working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
> >... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
> >or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
> >
> >Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
> >is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
> >contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
> >have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
> >takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
> >position I think. YMMV.
> >
> >Rob
>
> I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
> exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
> feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
> the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
Personally? Years of working hard and *thinking* about what I'm doing.
As a consequence, for almost no money spent, I have a swing which is far
better than yours -- which you have claimed cost as much as my condo to
acquire.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 23:32:00
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:36:40 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com >
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>wrote:
Rog,
>>
>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>>
>>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>>position I think. YMMV.
>>
>>Rob
>
>I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
>exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
>feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
>the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
>
>Larry
I've been logged in to TPI since it's inception. There is nothing new
there, but full of some good information relative to the physical side
of golf. It is certainly not the holy grail of golf
wisdom...especially when it comes to the swing. Just the same
instruction that we've all heard, and read, for years.
Incidentally, I don't recall reading that 99% of amateurs don't
transfer to their left side. That TPI, but it certainly is not
stressed as much as LLLLLLarrrrry would have you believe.
There are some pretty good players at my club, and very, very few of
them end up on their right side (for right handed golfers).
More hyperbole from the finder of weekly golf swing miracle answers.
___,
\o
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:15:16
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:32:00 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:36:40 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:35:02 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net>
>>wrote:
> Rog,
>>>
>>>You should be aware that Larry often (usually? always?) exagerates,
>>>lies, or just makes things up in order to make his point. When he uses
>>>terms like "ubiquitious", "elite", or "most common", they have little or
>>>no basis in reality ... his "facts" are suspect at best. Whatever he's
>>>working on at the moment immediately becomes the most important thing
>>>... the "key" or "secret" to the golf swing. This week it's weight shift
>>>or "lagging back" (whatever that means).
>>>
>>>Which is not to say that a proper weight shift and use of the lower body
>>>is not important ... it is. But it's just one of the things that
>>>contributes to a good swing. The thing I noticed the most (and others
>>>have pointed out) is that your swing plane is pretty flat ... your
>>>takeaway and body movement on the backswing is getting you into a poor
>>>position I think. YMMV.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>I am enrolled in TPI, taking intense lessons and doing the necessary
>>exercises and drills for strength and flexibility. I get almost daily
>>feedback and guidance from the pros who teach the pros. I went for
>>the top. TPI is my source of knowledge. What is yours?
>>
>>Larry
>
>I've been logged in to TPI since it's inception. There is nothing new
>there, but full of some good information relative to the physical side
>of golf. It is certainly not the holy grail of golf
>wisdom...especially when it comes to the swing. Just the same
>instruction that we've all heard, and read, for years.
>
>Incidentally, I don't recall reading that 99% of amateurs don't
>transfer to their left side. That TPI, but it certainly is not
>stressed as much as LLLLLLarrrrry would have you believe.
>
>There are some pretty good players at my club, and very, very few of
>them end up on their right side (for right handed golfers).
>
>More hyperbole from the finder of weekly golf swing miracle answers.
Yours is hyperbole-- and actually dishonest misreading of my posts.
I said that 99% of amateurs do not transfer ALL of their weight to
their front foot at impact-- Their fault is that they do not
completely unweight their back foot as all pros (even Davis Love III)
does. Getting fully "posted" at impacat is the is the priy
difference between a top golfer's swing and all the others who lag
back.
Larry
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 23:34:45
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:32:00 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
Oops. this is the correct verbiage. Somehow it was truncated in my
earlier post.
>Incidentally, I don't recall reading that 99% of amateurs don't
>transfer to their left side. That may be somewhere on TPI, but it certainly is not
>stressed as much as LLLLLLarrrrry would have you believe.
___,
\o
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 05:06:46
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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In article <Mm%Ph.225$py.111855@wagner.videotron.net >,
"GaryC_47" <garyc_48_minus_1@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-7E105C.19101101042007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <14n013pkpo9n4rajeipo71dqbahcsogq9d@4ax.com>,
> > larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
> >> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball.
> >> >Your
> >> >credibility is zero, including golf.
> >>
> >> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros
> >> who
> >> teach touring pros.
> >>
> >>
> >> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the
> >> golf
> >> swing???
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> > Given the number of systems you've touted as being *the* secret,
> > what is
> > your basis for interpreting what you're being taught?
> >
> > How do you know that what you're being taught isn't what *you*
> > need as
> > opposed to what *everyone* needs.
> >
>
> TPI = Titleist Performance Institute
>
> http://mytpi.com/default.asp
>
> It's what *everyone* needs. Fitness & health - golf specific
> excercise. Highly recommended. Larry is on the right track with
> this.
That may be so, but all Larry's talked about are the drills they've had
him do. Not exercise: swing drills.
>
> You may have seen the Golf Fitness Academy on the Golf Channel.
>
> (It doesn't teach Larry how to analyse swing video's, however.)
That's for sure.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 21:58:11
From: BAR
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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larry wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>> Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball. Your credibility is zero, including golf.
>
> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros who
> teach touring pros.
>
>
> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the golf
> swing???
What is TPI? How many Master's have their students won? How many British
Open's or US Open's have their student's won? How many PGA championships
have their student's won?
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 09:27:09
From: larry
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:58:11 -0400, BAR <screwed@you.com > wrote:
>larry wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:52:24 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
>> <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>>> Like you would know ANYTHING straight let alone a golf ball. Your credibility is zero, including golf.
>>
>> I am enrolled in TPI, having intense daily lessons from the pros who
>> teach touring pros.
>>
>>
>> How about you? What is the basis of your "knowledge" about the golf
>> swing???
>
>What is TPI? How many Master's have their students won? How many British
>Open's or US Open's have their student's won? How many PGA championships
>have their student's won?
Google it.
larry
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 11:59:25
From: Ben Ho
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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I think your swing plane is too flat. If you pause the bottom left frame at
the top of your backswing you will see that your arms are below the height
of your right shoulder. You will find most pros arms at this position will
be more upright, esp. with a short iron, most likely the arm position will
be midway between head and shoulder (IMHO)
Ben
"seveniron" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:460ee251.0@entanet...
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>
> Rog
>
>
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 20:25:16
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"seveniron" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:460ee251.0@entanet...
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>
> Rog
>
>
Swing is fine, try practice.
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 19:35:41
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"seveniron" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:460ee251.0@entanet...
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
>
> Rog
>
Find a new sport.
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 18:42:46
From: mitch
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 19:08:43
From: SJ
Subject: Re: Swing analysis please...
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"mitch" <impossible@connection.biz > wrote in message
news:130tout4vgdlt22@news.supernews.com...
"seveniron" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:460ee251.0@entanet...
> Any chance you can fix this swing before tomorrows round?
> I am certainly not doing what I thought I was :0(
> An exercise in how to keep your score above 100!
> All criticism accepted humbly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRTihFCSKCY
Pic at bottom right - too much head movement.
Pic at bottom left- head bent down too much. Try to have your head more
upright. It's bent over too much and can throw your balance off. Just bend
it back a little at address, enough so you can still see the ball, and I
agree with Mitch, try to keep your head back (or more upright, in other
words) and STILL.
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