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Date: 30 Apr 2007 07:51:33
From: The_Professor
Subject: Short backswing revisited
Out of the nature of the respect I have for lame political trolls (as
opposed to real people who just happen to discuss politics) I feel
compelled to make some golf related posts here. I am willing to risk
the vicious responses from the Bobby Knights, Randy Browns, Mike
Daleckis, Brad Greers and the rest that usually follow golf related
posts I make.

Anyhoo, the short backswing is starting to get automatic. It seems to
be taking an inordinate amount of time for this to happen. I still
revert to the long backswing if I start getting tired, and tired +
long backswing = lots of strokes.

The worst thing to deal with is setting the wristcock. It's getting
there though. Of course, lastly, I am hitting the ball different
distances than before, and dialing it in with the variations in the
swing make for a lot of missed greens...but the lower ballflight I
have been able to work in still has me hitting more greens than I did
before I went to the lower ballflight.In any event, I am almost always
in the low to mid 40's for 9 holes. I still can go over 50, but for
each time I do that, I'm probably under 40 several more times...or I
break 40 a lot more often than I go over 50 for nine holes...and I
never roll the ball and I put every putt into the hole and count all
the strokes I take.





 
Date: 01 May 2007 15:34:05
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On May 1, 3:27 pm, larry <l...@delmardata.com > wrote:
> At least touch your toes a dozen
> times before teeing off.
Larry, are you trying to kill me? F



  
Date: 01 May 2007 15:42:28
From: larry
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On 1 May 2007 15:34:05 -0700, Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On May 1, 3:27 pm, larry <l...@delmardata.com> wrote:
>> At least touch your toes a dozen
>> times before teeing off.
>Larry, are you trying to kill me? F

If you REALLY want to injure yourself permanently, make full golf
swings without warming up. You can damage disks in your spine--you
could cripple yourself, pince nerves, sciatica, etc. -

At least bend over and allow your upper body weight to slowly stretch
your back and hamstring muscles. It is easy, just wait until you can
touch your shoe tops-- Sometimes that takes 5 minutes or longer.

Larry


 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 19:54:40
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On Apr 30, 8:04 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
>> I've shortened the backswing, rolled the wrists, kept my elbow in and
> closed my stance. The result is longer, straighter shots and I'm having
> to recalibrate which club for which shot a bit.
You got it all wrong, kid. Don=B4t hit it like a woman! Ever heard of
John Daly? Do some calisthenics and then overswing as much as you can
and your shots will be long and straight. F



  
Date: 01 May 2007 15:27:45
From: larry
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On 30 Apr 2007 19:54:40 -0700, Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Apr 30, 8:04 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> I've shortened the backswing, rolled the wrists, kept my elbow in and
>> closed my stance. The result is longer, straighter shots and I'm having
>> to recalibrate which club for which shot a bit.
>You got it all wrong, kid. Donīt hit it like a woman! Ever heard of
>John Daly? Do some calisthenics and then overswing as much as you can
>and your shots will be long and straight. F

I tried that-- before reading more about the golf swing. There is a
very good purpose for the full backswing and when we truncate that we
introduce a new requirement for conscious action--which requires
timing.

The full classic golf swing we know has lasted for 100+ years, Bobby
Jones and before, because every component has an important function.
The backswing starts with a full shoulder turn and continues to allow
the wrists to fully cock. The downswing simply unwinds those-- a
natural release of the wrist cock multiplying the clubhead speed that
would happen with straight wrists.

Amateurs play poorly primarily because they are not physically able to
repeat a correct pivot turn-- a backswing with correct posture. The
fault is simply weak or too short muscles, flexibility. Get yourself
in shape and play better golf. At least touch your toes a dozen
times before teeing off.

Larry


   
Date: 01 May 2007 22:53:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On Tue, 01 May 2007 15:27:45 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:

>Amateurs play poorly primarily because they are not physically able to
>repeat a correct pivot turn-- a backswing with correct posture. The
>fault is simply weak or too short muscles, flexibility. Get yourself
>in shape and play better golf. At least touch your toes a dozen
>times before teeing off.

I have no problem placing my palms flat on the ground with my legs
straight. My swing faults lie elsewhere.


  
Date: 30 Apr 2007 23:53:25
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
In article <1177988080.782072.261970@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com >,
Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

> On Apr 30, 8:04 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> I've shortened the backswing, rolled the wrists, kept my elbow in and
> > closed my stance. The result is longer, straighter shots and I'm having
> > to recalibrate which club for which shot a bit.
> You got it all wrong, kid. Donīt hit it like a woman! Ever heard of
> John Daly? Do some calisthenics and then overswing as much as you can
> and your shots will be long and straight. F

LOL!

I'm a bit older than John, with a bad ticker. So I don't think I'm going to do it that way.

Heck for the next 2 weeks the doc is only allowing light calisthenics and no golf at all. ;-(


 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 15:57:46
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On Apr 30, 7:51 am, The_Professor <d...@att.net > wrote:
> Out of the nature of the respect I have for lame political trolls (as
> opposed to real people who just happen to discuss politics) I feel
> compelled to make some golf related posts here. I am willing to risk
> the vicious responses from the Bobby Knights, Randy Browns, Mike
> Daleckis, Brad Greers and the rest that usually follow golf related
> posts I make.
>
> Anyhoo, the short backswing is starting to get automatic. It seems to
> be taking an inordinate amount of time for this to happen. I still
> revert to the long backswing if I start getting tired, and tired +
> long backswing = lots of strokes.
>
> The worst thing to deal with is setting the wristcock. It's getting
> there though. Of course, lastly, I am hitting the ball different
> distances than before, and dialing it in with the variations in the
> swing make for a lot of missed greens...but the lower ballflight I
> have been able to work in still has me hitting more greens than I did
> before I went to the lower ballflight.In any event, I am almost always
> in the low to mid 40's for 9 holes. I still can go over 50, but for
> each time I do that, I'm probably under 40 several more times...or I
> break 40 a lot more often than I go over 50 for nine holes...and I
> never roll the ball and I put every putt into the hole and count all
> the strokes I take.

As I recall, your backswing wasn't all that huge before. Now, it's
shorter?? I've been working on the same thing, though I think I'm
taking a slightly different approach. Seems to be working though as
I've hit more fairways the last two times out. Now to see if I can
keep it going.



 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 11:45:22
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On Apr 30, 1:32 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> In article <1177957617.048159.109...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> The_Professor <d...@att.net> wrote:
> > I can literally sweep through the ball without cocking the wrists at
> > all.
>
> I was doing that for awhile, but found too much loss of distance. Now I
> do a shorter backswing with full cock of the wrist and then through to
> the release. How is your distance without cocking the wrist?

Definately longer, but not a long hitter in any sense. It's the cause
of the dialing in problems I have. Cock the wrists right and an easy
wedge goes about 100 yards; don't and it goes about 80 yards.



 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 11:26:57
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
On Apr 30, 12:33 pm, "bill-o" <assimil...@borg.org > wrote:
> On 30-Apr-2007, The_Professor <d...@att.net> wrote:
>

> > The worst thing to deal with is setting the wristcock.
>
> What do you mean by this? I'm being taught to avoid a consious set but to
> allow it to happen on the way down. Ideally, as my shoulders are still going
> back, my hips start the turn forward. This both cocks the wrists and cuts
> off any possibility of getting overly long. I'm still fighting active hands
> which causes throwout at the bottom (fats & thins).

I can literally sweep through the ball without cocking the wrists at
all. As you said, if I make a concious effort, I get the extreme
clubhead throwaway...but I have to work on it with the shorter
backswing because it is more of a problem the shorter the backswing
for me. Keeping the left arm straight helps me a lot as I will bend
the left arm in the backswing rather than cock the wrists, doing one
*OR* the other.



  
Date: 30 Apr 2007 13:32:54
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
In article <1177957617.048159.109100@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com >,
The_Professor <dbid@att.net > wrote:

> I can literally sweep through the ball without cocking the wrists at
> all.

I was doing that for awhile, but found too much loss of distance. Now I
do a shorter backswing with full cock of the wrist and then through to
the release. How is your distance without cocking the wrist?


 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 17:33:39
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited

On 30-Apr-2007, The_Professor <dbid@att.net > wrote:

> Anyhoo, the short backswing is starting to get automatic. It seems to
> be taking an inordinate amount of time for this to happen. I still
> revert to the long backswing if I start getting tired, and tired +
> long backswing = lots of strokes.

I've been fighting this as well. In my case, the longer the backswing gets
the more I'm apt to re-grip the club at the top. My instructor says this is
probably an instinctive reaction to keep the club in my hand. Anyway, when I
get wild directionwise it is usually has something to do with getting long.


> The worst thing to deal with is setting the wristcock.

What do you mean by this? I'm being taught to avoid a consious set but to
allow it to happen on the way down. Ideally, as my shoulders are still going
back, my hips start the turn forward. This both cocks the wrists and cuts
off any possibility of getting overly long. I'm still fighting active hands
which causes throwout at the bottom (fats & thins).

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.


 
Date: 30 Apr 2007 10:04:20
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Short backswing revisited
In article <1177944693.162734.292820@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
The_Professor <dbid@att.net > wrote:

> Out of the nature of the respect I have for lame political trolls (as
> opposed to real people who just happen to discuss politics) I feel
> compelled to make some golf related posts here. I am willing to risk
> the vicious responses from the Bobby Knights, Randy Browns, Mike
> Daleckis, Brad Greers and the rest that usually follow golf related
> posts I make.
>
> Anyhoo, the short backswing is starting to get automatic. It seems to
> be taking an inordinate amount of time for this to happen. I still
> revert to the long backswing if I start getting tired, and tired +
> long backswing = lots of strokes.
>
> The worst thing to deal with is setting the wristcock. It's getting
> there though. Of course, lastly, I am hitting the ball different
> distances than before, and dialing it in with the variations in the
> swing make for a lot of missed greens...but the lower ballflight I
> have been able to work in still has me hitting more greens than I did
> before I went to the lower ballflight.In any event, I am almost always
> in the low to mid 40's for 9 holes. I still can go over 50, but for
> each time I do that, I'm probably under 40 several more times...or I
> break 40 a lot more often than I go over 50 for nine holes...and I
> never roll the ball and I put every putt into the hole and count all
> the strokes I take.

I'm in nearly the same boat you are, except my scores are higher 'cause
my short game really sucks at the moment.

I've shortened the backswing, rolled the wrists, kept my elbow in and
closed my stance. The result is longer, straighter shots and I'm having
to recalibrate which club for which shot a bit.

Of course that is all in my head at the moment. I got another stent
stuck in my heart last Thursday and the doc says no golf for a week. ;-(