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Date: 03 Jan 2007 19:14:57
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16456634/
Appleby says Wie 'not ready' to play men
'I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour,'
he says
Updated: 2:48 p.m. MT Jan 3, 2007
PGA Tour veteran Stuart Appleby said Michelle Wie tried to compete
against men's players years too early and should get more seasoning
before she continues, ESPN reported Wednesday.
"She should just let it go for now and come back when she has a more
accomplished game," Appleby said Tuesday at the Mercedes-Benz
Championship in Hawaii. "She's just not ready for it. She's certainly
not proving anything except that she can't play with the men at her
level right now."
Wie has missed the cut in 11 of 12 men's tournaments she has played in.
"There's no doubt she's going to improve dramatically as a player and
mature as a person, but right now it's just the wrong time," Appleby
said. "A couple times is nice. It's interesting. But now it's just
getting to the stage where she'll get criticized too much.
"I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour."
Wie will be attending Stanford University as a freshman in the fall.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 17:25:17
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
I say that Scott Appleby doesn't belong on the men's tour.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 01:37:12
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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annika1980 wrote:
> I say that Scott Appleby doesn't belong on the men's tour.
What about Stuart Adam?
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 09:19:57
From:
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 5 Jan 2007 10:27:51 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >And Corey Pavin would beat Michele Wie 9 out of 10 times if not more.
> >Millions of folks agree with Stuart Appleby. People are easily
> >influenced and it probably will take another year of missed cuts before
> >they finally give up.
>
> Pro golf is above all things - show biz. It is a business designed
> to make money. Customers pay to see fine golf - but that's not the
> only thing we pay to see.
>
> Was it Samuel Johnson who noted a "dog walking on his hind legs -- we
> applaud not because it's done well, but because we're surprised to see
> it done at all."?
I think I should test this Johnson guy out by doing a little 'dress up'
and asking if I could be sponsored to the LPGA.
CJ
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 08:32:06
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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dsc wrote:
>
> I pretty much agree with that. Too much too soon and not really ready
> yet (if ever). But I do support her getting the opportunity... even
> though it really didn't work out very well.
I too am glad she got the chance. It would have been great for the PGA
tour if she could have proved competitive. She has star power
comparable to tiger.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 10:27:51
From:
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
> Craig wrote:
> > > Wie will continue to get sponsor's exemptions on the men's tour for the same
> > > reason folks buy lottery tickets. Sooner or later she will break through and
> > > win and the sponsor will be a good person for giving her a chance.
> >
> > She will never win in any decent mens event. Maybe a small regional
> > event but even thats unlikely.
>
> Heck, Corey Pavin won a men's event, last year. Any friggin' thing
> is possible out there. And never is a really long time. If the
> current
> men are any indication, Wie's competitive days could last another
> 25 years. We don't even know what golf will look like in 2032.
And Corey Pavin would beat Michele Wie 9 out of 10 times if not more.
Millions of folks agree with Stuart Appleby. People are easily
influenced and it probably will take another year of missed cuts before
they finally give up.
CJ
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 11:38:22
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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On 5 Jan 2007 10:27:51 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>And Corey Pavin would beat Michele Wie 9 out of 10 times if not more.
>Millions of folks agree with Stuart Appleby. People are easily
>influenced and it probably will take another year of missed cuts before
>they finally give up.
Pro golf is above all things - show biz. It is a business designed
to make money. Customers pay to see fine golf - but that's not the
only thing we pay to see.
Was it Samuel Johnson who noted a "dog walking on his hind legs -- we
applaud not because it's done well, but because we're surprised to see
it done at all."?
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 08:25:10
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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> I agree with all of this, but there's another side of it. Wie (or Palmer)
> take a slot in the tournament that could have gone to someone else who got
> there by qualifying.
Everyone that qualified was likely there (unless they withdrew and were
replaced by another qualifier). All the qualifying spots get filled. If
they wanted more qualifying spots... they could simply add them
(without eliminating any of the special exemptions). Obviously they
don't want any more.
The types of exemptions recieved by Palmer, Nicklaus, Wie, Sorrenstam,
etc. are specifically reserved for people that did not qualify. It's by
design that non-qualifiers (with some sort of special interest/history)
are included.
So this arguement about taking up spots is really pointless. It's just
not the case.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 08:18:19
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16456634/
>
> Appleby says Wie 'not ready' to play men
> 'I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour,'
> he says
>
> Updated: 2:48 p.m. MT Jan 3, 2007
>
> PGA Tour veteran Stuart Appleby said Michelle Wie tried to compete
> against men's players years too early and should get more seasoning
> before she continues, ESPN reported Wednesday.
>
> "She should just let it go for now and come back when she has a more
> accomplished game," Appleby said Tuesday at the Mercedes-Benz
> Championship in Hawaii. "She's just not ready for it. She's certainly
> not proving anything except that she can't play with the men at her
> level right now."
>
> Wie has missed the cut in 11 of 12 men's tournaments she has played in.
>
> "There's no doubt she's going to improve dramatically as a player and
> mature as a person, but right now it's just the wrong time," Appleby
> said. "A couple times is nice. It's interesting. But now it's just
> getting to the stage where she'll get criticized too much.
>
> "I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour."
I pretty much agree with that. Too much too soon and not really ready
yet (if ever). But I do support her getting the opportunity... even
though it really didn't work out very well.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 05:10:35
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Craig wrote:
> > Wie will continue to get sponsor's exemptions on the men's tour for the same
> > reason folks buy lottery tickets. Sooner or later she will break through and
> > win and the sponsor will be a good person for giving her a chance.
>
> She will never win in any decent mens event. Maybe a small regional
> event but even thats unlikely.
Heck, Corey Pavin won a men's event, last year. Any friggin' thing
is possible out there. And never is a really long time. If the
current
men are any indication, Wie's competitive days could last another
25 years. We don't even know what golf will look like in 2032.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:44:48
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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sfb wrote:
> <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
> news:1167916482.508782.19910@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
> > Craig wrote:
[snip]
> >> > Applyby is exactly right.
> >
> > Well, he's right within the implied criteria his is using to make
> > is
> > judgements. I'd imagine they aren't the criteria Wie is using to
> > make her decisions.
> >
> > Applyby's implying that her purpose is to win, or to excell when
> > playing the men. Yeah, she ain't ready to do that. Wie is
> > making a professional decision to play to help her sponsors, and
> > to push her own game. (well, I'm guessing here, it's not like
> > we're having long conversations together). I suspect she also
> > has fun playing in these events, God knows I would and I
> > don't have anywhere near her game. The other thing that Applyby
> > is "right" about is that from a public spectacle point of view,
> > she is in real danger of becoming a joke. There will always be
> > a crowd that gets excited to see her play. Arnies Army followed
> > him around long after he was truly competitive on any tour.
> > But the media, and the tournaments long ago gave up any attempt
> > to suggest he was going to truly compete. Tournaments letting
> > Wie play should be careful to avoid implying that girl has got
> > any game right now. She's good, for a woman, and she's
> > got alot of potential. The best media presentation for her right
> > now is basically selling the concept that we're getting to see
> > her before she makes it big.
> >
>
> Wie will continue to get sponsor's exemptions on the men's tour for the same
> reason folks buy lottery tickets. Sooner or later she will break through and
> win and the sponsor will be a good person for giving her a chance.
Right up until she becomes a punch line on the Leno. Then it
could be trouble.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:14:42
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Craig wrote:
> >
> > And this is news, how?
> >
>
> It's news because for some reason it is politically incorrect to mention
> the blindingly obvious regarding Michelle Wie and playing in men's (or
> open) events. Applyby is exactly right.
Well, he's right within the implied criteria his is using to make
is
judgements. I'd imagine they aren't the criteria Wie is using to
make her decisions.
Applyby's implying that her purpose is to win, or to excell when
playing the men. Yeah, she ain't ready to do that. Wie is
making a professional decision to play to help her sponsors, and
to push her own game. (well, I'm guessing here, it's not like
we're having long conversations together). I suspect she also
has fun playing in these events, God knows I would and I
don't have anywhere near her game. The other thing that Applyby
is "right" about is that from a public spectacle point of view,
she is in real danger of becoming a joke. There will always be
a crowd that gets excited to see her play. Arnies Army followed
him around long after he was truly competitive on any tour.
But the media, and the tournaments long ago gave up any attempt
to suggest he was going to truly compete. Tournaments letting
Wie play should be careful to avoid implying that girl has got
any game right now. She's good, for a woman, and she's
got alot of potential. The best media presentation for her right
now is basically selling the concept that we're getting to see
her before she makes it big.
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 12:44:29
From: David
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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On 4 Jan 2007 05:14:42 -0800, "oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com"
<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote:
>Craig wrote:
>> >
>> > And this is news, how?
>> >
>>
>> It's news because for some reason it is politically incorrect to mention
>> the blindingly obvious regarding Michelle Wie and playing in men's (or
>> open) events. Applyby is exactly right.
>
> Well, he's right within the implied criteria his is using to make
>is
>judgements. I'd imagine they aren't the criteria Wie is using to
>make her decisions.
<snipped >
> I suspect she also
>has fun playing in these events, God knows I would and I
>don't have anywhere near her game.
The tournaments that I saw Wie playing in, she did not look like she
was having too much fun. In fact, it looked more like she was the
victim of chinese water torture. She should gracefully decline the
invitations and concentrate on becoming a great golfer--she is not
one, yet.
David
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 08:13:26
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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IMO Michelle Wie needs to forget about the mens tour and concentrate on
everything else that is going on on her life right now. When she gets a
lot of this stuff behind her and has improved her game, then maybe
decide to try the mens tour again.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:23:05
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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> Applyby's implying that her purpose is to win, or to excell when
> playing the men. Yeah, she ain't ready to do that. Wie is
> making a professional decision to play to help her sponsors, and
> to push her own game. (well, I'm guessing here, it's not like
> we're having long conversations together). I suspect she also
> has fun playing in these events, God knows I would and I
> don't have anywhere near her game. The other thing that Applyby
> is "right" about is that from a public spectacle point of view,
> she is in real danger of becoming a joke. There will always be
> a crowd that gets excited to see her play. Arnies Army followed
> him around long after he was truly competitive on any tour.
> But the media, and the tournaments long ago gave up any attempt
> to suggest he was going to truly compete. Tournaments letting
> Wie play should be careful to avoid implying that girl has got
> any game right now. She's good, for a woman, and she's
> got alot of potential. The best media presentation for her right
> now is basically selling the concept that we're getting to see
> her before she makes it big.
>
I agree with all of this, but there's another side of it. Wie (or Palmer)
take a slot in the tournament that could have gone to someone else who got
there by qualifying. In the case of Palmer it's very likely that the first
alternate would have a better chance of making the cut and maybe even
winning some real money. I think that case is a bit less with Wie, but you
could still well argue it given the number of alternates who have gone on to
win or place high. I think you will see more folks thinking this way given
the new tour format, because of the huge potential reward to those who make
the closing 4 tournaments, and missing a chance to play because the sponsors
wanted someone who could draw a crowd isn't going to set well. That's the
reality though -- the tour is basically an entertainment thing, not a
competition to find the best golfer, just like studios often cast people who
will draw viewers, not necessarily the best actor. If Sony (or anyone else)
wants her there to draw a crowd, they are within their rights to do it and
she shouldn't feel guilty about playing, but don't kid yoursel that the tour
is a competition to find the best golfer.
--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 10:31:58
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:23:05 -0600, "warren montgomery"
<wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>I agree with all of this, but there's another side of it. Wie (or Palmer)
>take a slot in the tournament that could have gone to someone else who got
>there by qualifying.
No she couldn't. The only way to qualify for a sponsor's exemption
is to fit criteria other than normal qualifying which make the sponsor
happy.
If you qualify normally - you don't get a sponsor's exemption.
> In the case of Palmer it's very likely that the first
>alternate would have a better chance of making the cut and maybe even
>winning some real money. I think that case is a bit less with Wie, but you
>could still well argue it given the number of alternates who have gone on to
>win or place high. I think you will see more folks thinking this way given
>the new tour format, because of the huge potential reward to those who make
>the closing 4 tournaments, and missing a chance to play because the sponsors
>wanted someone who could draw a crowd isn't going to set well. That's the
>reality though -- the tour is basically an entertainment thing, not a
>competition to find the best golfer, just like studios often cast people who
>will draw viewers, not necessarily the best actor. If Sony (or anyone else)
>wants her there to draw a crowd, they are within their rights to do it and
>she shouldn't feel guilty about playing, but don't kid yoursel that the tour
>is a competition to find the best golfer.
Absolutely. The tour is entertainment - designed to make money. As
long as the crowds are around Ms Wie, sponsors will line up at her
door.
That said - she's lessening her value by not being competitive. I
know it is hard to keep up with her golf needs when she's going to
school and her body is changing. But we can't do everything.
(She also needs some social maturity if she wants to be happy with her
career choice).
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 08:25:34
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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Wie will continue to get sponsor's exemptions on the men's tour for the same
reason folks buy lottery tickets. Sooner or later she will break through and
win and the sponsor will be a good person for giving her a chance.
<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote in message
news:1167916482.508782.19910@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
> Craig wrote:
>> >
>> > And this is news, how?
>> >
>>
>> It's news because for some reason it is politically incorrect to mention
>> the blindingly obvious regarding Michelle Wie and playing in men's (or
>> open) events. Applyby is exactly right.
>
> Well, he's right within the implied criteria his is using to make
> is
> judgements. I'd imagine they aren't the criteria Wie is using to
> make her decisions.
>
> Applyby's implying that her purpose is to win, or to excell when
> playing the men. Yeah, she ain't ready to do that. Wie is
> making a professional decision to play to help her sponsors, and
> to push her own game. (well, I'm guessing here, it's not like
> we're having long conversations together). I suspect she also
> has fun playing in these events, God knows I would and I
> don't have anywhere near her game. The other thing that Applyby
> is "right" about is that from a public spectacle point of view,
> she is in real danger of becoming a joke. There will always be
> a crowd that gets excited to see her play. Arnies Army followed
> him around long after he was truly competitive on any tour.
> But the media, and the tournaments long ago gave up any attempt
> to suggest he was going to truly compete. Tournaments letting
> Wie play should be careful to avoid implying that girl has got
> any game right now. She's good, for a woman, and she's
> got alot of potential. The best media presentation for her right
> now is basically selling the concept that we're getting to see
> her before she makes it big.
>
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 09:34:25
From: Craig
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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She will never win in any decent mens event. Maybe a small regional
event but even thats unlikely.
> Wie will continue to get sponsor's exemptions on the men's tour for the same
> reason folks buy lottery tickets. Sooner or later she will break through and
> win and the sponsor will be a good person for giving her a chance.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 22:19:44
From: wtrplnet
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <betaxxx@earthlink.net > wrote in
message news:1167880495.734897.193100@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16456634/
>
> Appleby says Wie 'not ready' to play men
> 'I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour,'
> he says
>
> Updated: 2:48 p.m. MT Jan 3, 2007
>
> PGA Tour veteran Stuart Appleby said Michelle Wie tried to compete
> against men's players years too early and should get more seasoning
> before she continues, ESPN reported Wednesday.
>
> "She should just let it go for now and come back when she has a more
> accomplished game," Appleby said Tuesday at the Mercedes-Benz
> Championship in Hawaii. "She's just not ready for it. She's certainly
> not proving anything except that she can't play with the men at her
> level right now."
>
> Wie has missed the cut in 11 of 12 men's tournaments she has played in.
>
> "There's no doubt she's going to improve dramatically as a player and
> mature as a person, but right now it's just the wrong time," Appleby
> said. "A couple times is nice. It's interesting. But now it's just
> getting to the stage where she'll get criticized too much.
>
> "I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour."
>
> Wie will be attending Stanford University as a freshman in the fall.
>
And this is news, how?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 08:06:11
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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The news is a top line pro golfers can say this without being drawn and
quartered by the popular press.
"wtrplnet" <wd12@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLexcite.com > wrote in message
news:459c9c7b$0$16971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <betaxxx@earthlink.net> wrote in
> message news:1167880495.734897.193100@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16456634/
>>
>> Appleby says Wie 'not ready' to play men
>> 'I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour,'
>> he says
>>
>> Updated: 2:48 p.m. MT Jan 3, 2007
>>
>> PGA Tour veteran Stuart Appleby said Michelle Wie tried to compete
>> against men's players years too early and should get more seasoning
>> before she continues, ESPN reported Wednesday.
>>
>> "She should just let it go for now and come back when she has a more
>> accomplished game," Appleby said Tuesday at the Mercedes-Benz
>> Championship in Hawaii. "She's just not ready for it. She's certainly
>> not proving anything except that she can't play with the men at her
>> level right now."
>>
>> Wie has missed the cut in 11 of 12 men's tournaments she has played in.
>>
>> "There's no doubt she's going to improve dramatically as a player and
>> mature as a person, but right now it's just the wrong time," Appleby
>> said. "A couple times is nice. It's interesting. But now it's just
>> getting to the stage where she'll get criticized too much.
>>
>> "I think she came five years too early to try to play the men's tour."
>>
>> Wie will be attending Stanford University as a freshman in the fall.
>>
>
> And this is news, how?
>
>
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:33:19
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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On 4-Jan-2007, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
> The news is a top line pro golfers can say this without being drawn and
> quartered by the popular press.
Yes because people that express the way things are instead of the PC way
things should be should be fed to the lions! I've always been a fan of MW
and hoped she would break out but I have to agree with Stuart on this
occaison, her game needs work, her mental approach especially. Like SA said,
maturity will help that.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 22:36:40
From: Craig
Subject: Re: Scott Appleby says Michelle does not belong on men's tour
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>
> And this is news, how?
>
It's news because for some reason it is politically incorrect to mention
the blindingly obvious regarding Michelle Wie and playing in men's (or
open) events. Applyby is exactly right.
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