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Date: 25 Sep 2006 08:01:36
From: CinderellaBoy
Subject: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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I'm confused about the issue of Tiger's 9-iron on Sunday. Maybe the
rules of Ryder cup and regular tournaments are different; however, why
was it a diver was dispatched to retrieve Tiger's club? Let's say,
instead, the caddie broke the club or bent the shaft accidentally.
Doesn't the player have to live with the mistakes that the caddy makes?
Let's say, for instance, that your caddie leaves an extra driver in
your bag. You take the penalty, right? So if Stevie drops the club in
the drink shouldn't Tiger have to play on without it??
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 12:05:04
From:
Subject: Re: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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> If retrieval of the club delayed play then a breach would have
> occurred. eg. Decision 6-7/1 (Player returns to tee to retrieve
> forgotten club). Strokeplay penalty - 2 strokes.
Matchplay penalty - loss of hole - in Ryder Cup.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:36:13
From:
Subject: Re: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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CinderellaBoy wrote:
> I'm confused about the issue of Tiger's 9-iron on Sunday. Maybe the
> rules of Ryder cup and regular tournaments are different; however, why
> was it a diver was dispatched to retrieve Tiger's club? Let's say,
> instead, the caddie broke the club or bent the shaft accidentally.
> Doesn't the player have to live with the mistakes that the caddy makes?
> Let's say, for instance, that your caddie leaves an extra driver in
> your bag. You take the penalty, right? So if Stevie drops the club in
> the drink shouldn't Tiger have to play on without it??
As usual when the details or application of a rule is queried, the
first question to ask is: what is the number of the rule you think has
been broken?
In your completely different second scenario, where the club has been
damaged other than in the normal course of play, it can't be used again
during that round.
The relevant rules, should you wish to look them up, are:
First scenario: <NullPointerException >
Second scenario: 4-3b
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 12:04:14
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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No different than leaving a club on a green and the ranger bringing it to
you. There's no rule I know about that says all the clubs must remain within
X feet of the player at all times.
"CinderellaBoy" <jbahel@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159196496.447685.289160@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> I'm confused about the issue of Tiger's 9-iron on Sunday. Maybe the
> rules of Ryder cup and regular tournaments are different; however, why
> was it a diver was dispatched to retrieve Tiger's club? Let's say,
> instead, the caddie broke the club or bent the shaft accidentally.
> Doesn't the player have to live with the mistakes that the caddy makes?
> Let's say, for instance, that your caddie leaves an extra driver in
> your bag. You take the penalty, right? So if Stevie drops the club in
> the drink shouldn't Tiger have to play on without it??
>
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:20:10
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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"CinderellaBoy" <jbahel@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159196496.447685.289160@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> I'm confused about the issue of Tiger's 9-iron on Sunday. Maybe the
> rules of Ryder cup and regular tournaments are different; however, why
> was it a diver was dispatched to retrieve Tiger's club? Let's say,
> instead, the caddie broke the club or bent the shaft accidentally.
> Doesn't the player have to live with the mistakes that the caddy makes?
> Let's say, for instance, that your caddie leaves an extra driver in
> your bag. You take the penalty, right? So if Stevie drops the club in
> the drink shouldn't Tiger have to play on without it??
>
He did play on without it, and then it was returned to him. Show me in the
rules where you are prohibited from retrieving the club once it is dropped
in the water or allowing an outside agency to retrieve it.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 03:07:20
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Ruling on Tiger's 9-Iron
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Frank Ketchum wrote:
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> He did play on without it, and then it was returned to him. Show me in the
> rules where you are prohibited from retrieving the club once it is dropped
> in the water or allowing an outside agency to retrieve it.
>
>
No rule to prevent retrieving the club......but a possible penalty under
Rule 6-7 (Undue delay)."..the player must play without undue delay...".
If TW played on without it then there there was no 'undue delay'.
If retrieval of the club delayed play then a breach would have
occurred. eg. Decision 6-7/1 (Player returns to tee to retrieve
forgotten club). Strokeplay penalty - 2 strokes.
cheers
david
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