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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:45:32
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Subject: Rules Question
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I got an idea to help improve my grip, and the pressure points on my
hands (specifically the last 3 fingers of my left hand, and the middle
2 fingers of my right hand). I have developed calluses in these
areas, especially on my right middle finger.
The idea is very simple: take a piece of duct tape and fold it over so
the sticky sides attach to each other(length-wise), then use pressure
(from the proper fingers) to keep this tape between my fingers and the
grip without any twisting .
I made the tape about the length of my grip from left pinky to right
forefinger, then I place it between the grip and my fingers. I have
grips that are very tacky and rubber-like, so the tape really grips the
rubber very well....Much better than my skin does. Then the contact
between my fingers and the tape is also very 'sticky' in feel, but nice
and uniform.
It gives me very good feel and control of the club. So I looked at
some rules about equipment to see if this is legal (my guess is that
this is probably illegal on the golf course). This is what seemed to
apply to this issue:
Appendix II design of the clubs:
1.A - General: ...All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club
is one unit, and it must have no external attachments except as
otherwise permitted by the Rules.
3. Grip
The grip consists of material added to the shaft to enable the player
to obtain a firm hold. The grip must be straight and plain in form,
must extend to the end of the shaft and must not be moulded for any
part of the hands. If no material is added, that portion of the shaft
designed to be held by the player must be considered the grip.
(i) For clubs other than putters the grip must be circular in
cross-section, except that a continuous, straight, slightly raised rib
may be incorporated along the full length of the grip, and a slightly
indented spiral is permitted on a wrapped grip or a replica of one.
(ii) A putter grip may have a non-circular cross-section, provided the
cross-section has no concavity, is symmetrical and remains generally
similar through-out the length of the grip. (See Clause (v) overleaf).
(iii) The grip may be tapered but must not have any bulge or waist. Its
cross-sectional dimensions measured in any direction must not exceed
1.75 inches (44.45 mm).
(iv) For clubs other than putters the axis of the grip must coincide
with the axis of the shaft.
(v) A putter may have two grips provided each is circular in
cross-section, the axis of each coincides with the axis of the shaft,
and they are separated by at least 1.5 inches (38.1 mm).
Is this piece of tape regarded as an 'external attachment' ?
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 21:37:13
From: Buford Ressup
Subject: Re: Wie "explains" why men should be banned from women's golf events.
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:52:42 +0000, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2006 13:39:48 -0700, blakestah@gmail.com wrote:
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>>Michelle Wie has yet to establish she is even going to be a decent
>>women's professional golfer. She'd rather get crushed competing against
>>men than try to win against the best women players in the world.
>
> Huh?
>
> Here are the top 2 Men, top 2 women, and top girl's Sagarin ratings, in
> order.
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> Tiger Woods 67.49
> Michelle Wie 67.88
> Ernie Els 68.41
> Annika Sorenstam 68.64
> Lorena Ochoa 68.95
>
> That qualifies as "decent".
Right, because Michelle Wie has clearly demonstrated herself to be
superior to Annika Sorenstam and Lorena Ochoa, hasn't she?
Sagarin might do okay in sports where one person or team plays one other
person or team in each contest, but they don't know jack about rating
golfers. A single glance at your list should tell you that.
Tiger is tops, of course. They got that one right. But Ernie Els is #2?
Not lately, he isn't. Not for some time, in fact. And I know I don't
have to explain about Michelle, Annika, and Lorena. I don't know where
Sagarin places Karrie Webb, but she should be above Michelle. So should a
couple of South Koreans.
Sagarin is not a competent ranking service when it comes to golfers.
They do pretty well with one-on-one sports, but golf is a whole nother
kettle of worms. Sagarin hasn't adapted very well to that.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 19:33:03
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Rules Question
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If I remove my hands from the grip (with the 'modified' piece of tape
in between hands and grip) then the tape will drop to the ground. No
sticky part of the tape is exposed, therefore nothing actually 'sticks'
to the grip or my hands.
The idea behind this was to use pressure to keep the tape in place to
improve my pressure points in the fingers. The results that I have
been receiving from this experiment are very surprising. The entire
golf club feels attached to my hands. You should give it a try. I
would like to hear what somebody else has to say about swinging the
golf club after giving this idea a whirl.
RoR wrote:
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> When you remove your hands from the grip does the tape remain? If not, you are probably
> legal, if it remains, probably illegal.
>
> It's more a question of where the tape is actually applied. If to the club, illegal: if
> to your hands, legal.
>
> Most likely.
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>
>
> --
> As Greg might say,
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:03:56
From:
Subject: Re: Rules Question
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first you need to ditch the band-aid idea, toughen your hands in an
acceptable manner, and learn to play using the Vardon Grip.
And, you should never grip the grip in a manner that creates "sores".
Grip lightly, as if you were holding a live bird.
Use a club grip that is soft, like the velvet grip, AND be sure when it
is installed, it fits your hands.
Use the time saved by ditching the make-shift thingy - to lower your
score.
You can do it, and good luck.
>m h o
> v =83e
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 16:43:52
From: Tranny
Subject: Re: Rules Question
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fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
> first you need to ditch the band-aid idea, toughen your hands in an
> acceptable manner, and learn to play using the Vardon Grip.
>
> And, you should never grip the grip in a manner that creates "sores".
> Grip lightly, as if you were holding a live bird.
>
> Use a club grip that is soft, like the velvet grip, AND be sure when it
> is installed, it fits your hands.
>
> Use the time saved by ditching the make-shift thingy - to lower your
> score.
>
> You can do it, and good luck.
>
How's the WOW putter coming along?
Tran
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:08:28
From:
Subject: Re: Rules Question
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uncle k wrote:
> <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >..............................
> > Appendix II design of the clubs:
> > 1.A - General: ...All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club
> > is one unit, and it must have no external attachments except as
> > otherwise permitted by the Rules.
> >..............................
> > Is this piece of tape regarded as an 'external attachment' ?
>
> Without opening any books, I'd say your invention is illegal, since the tape
> apparently adheres to the grip. I don't know of any prohibition against
> duct taping your fingers though, if you must........ I suppose the key
> would be that you "wear" the sticky-goo "glove" on your hand, so it leaves
> the club when your hand does?
>
> Before the advent of good, all-weather gloves, one of my main men used to
> lay a lightweight handkerchief in the middle of his gripping procedure...
> Only with driver, and only when it was wet or foggy. It actually works to
> prevent slippage, but it's a little odd. Not odder than duct tape, however.
>
> If you don't want to wear a glove, try pine tar. Just be careful not to get
> it on the ball or the face of the club (new can of worms).
>
> Unc
I might have explained it unclearly. I do not actually apply any part
of the sticky side of the tape. I fold the length of the tape so it is
1/2 the length of the original piece. The same as taking 2 pieces of
equal length tape and sticking them to eachother. No sticky part of
the tape is showing. It is not adhesive to the grip or to my hands.
It simply sits between my hands and the grip.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 20:29:27
From: Buford Ressup
Subject: Re: Wie's response to today's score (sperler)
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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:25:20 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:
>> > Much respect for the game she does have - which is obviously
>> > considerable. The skills are not in question; the choice of venues is
>> > definitely suspect.
>> >
>> >
>> I agree - at this point if she ever made a cut in a men's tourney, it
>> would seem more of a fluke rather than a real accomplishment. It too bad
>> - but also too late.
>
> Yeah, cause at 16, she's obviously washed up.
She'll be 17 next month. The years go by quickly, don't they? Seems like
only a year or two ago that we first started hearing of this 12 year old
golf phenom in Hawaii who can hit a ball 300 yards...and it's a girl!
But I do agree with the poster you're replying to. If she makes a cut
now, the general reaction is not going to be amazement. It's going to be
more like, "Well, she had enough tries at it, didn't she?"
Personally, I don't think she'll join the LPGA when she turns 18 unless
she stops getting invitations from other tours. By that time, she will
have created enough hard feelings from the women on tour that many of them
won't want anything to do with her. Not that friendship and caaderie
with fellow athletes are necessary for success in sports, but I bet it
makes the ride a lot more enjoyable.
I can see Michelle wearing out her welcome on the men's tours, winning a
few on the LPGA while being shunned by the other players, and finally
getting disgusted with it all and quitting the sport altogether.
Come to think of it, that sounds like such a likely scenario that I'm
making it my prediction. I predict that Michelle Wie will quit
professional golf before she's 25.
You read it here first, and in seven years you can look it up on Google
and vel at my prescience.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 19:58:10
From: uncle k
Subject: Re: Rules Question
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<bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > wrote in message
>..............................
> Appendix II design of the clubs:
> 1.A - General: ...All parts of the club must be fixed so that the club
> is one unit, and it must have no external attachments except as
> otherwise permitted by the Rules.
>..............................
> Is this piece of tape regarded as an 'external attachment' ?
Without opening any books, I'd say your invention is illegal, since the tape
apparently adheres to the grip. I don't know of any prohibition against
duct taping your fingers though, if you must........ I suppose the key
would be that you "wear" the sticky-goo "glove" on your hand, so it leaves
the club when your hand does?
Before the advent of good, all-weather gloves, one of my main men used to
lay a lightweight handkerchief in the middle of his gripping procedure...
Only with driver, and only when it was wet or foggy. It actually works to
prevent slippage, but it's a little odd. Not odder than duct tape, however.
If you don't want to wear a glove, try pine tar. Just be careful not to get
it on the ball or the face of the club (new can of worms).
Unc
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