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Date: 05 Sep 2006 16:28:09
From: The_Professor
Subject: Range to course
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I've been working on a shorter backswing. The toughest 2 things are not
getting quick and making the wristcock properly. Yesterday on the
range, I really had it, better than ever before, and was swinging
really smooth and easy and hitting the ball really solidly. I was
putting and chipping about as well as I can.
I really thought I would play well today...the kiss of death, of
course.
I head out around 4:30PM or so, really nice out there too, mid 80's and
it felt like air conditioning after the 100+ degree days we have had.
No one in sight; I had the front 9 to myself. So I go +11 for the first
6 holes, and it was brutal. I was all arms and hands. Couldn't do
anything. I was lucky to be only plus 11.
>From 7-9 it was like a different person was playing. Every shot was a
solid hit. 2/3GIRs, both birdie putts had a good chance to go in, and
the only reason I missed the green on 7 was that I was afraid of going
over the tricked up green, better to be a little short. The chip had a
chance to go in, and left a tap in for the par.
It's just timing, but it's hard to focus on that when you take a 7 on a
215 yard par 4!
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:24:09
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Range to course
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Hard to find a vid of Stadlers swing, so this will have to do:
http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/craigstadler/index1.html
You can't miss that he has very little shoulder turn. He gets his
shoulders behind the ball by having his right foot open and back as
well as hinging more at the hips. Pretty much gets his shoulders
perpendicular to the line of flight of the ball, but not with shoulder
turn. He has a one piece style takeaway. This is typical for a barrel
chested man; a classic W swing, which is well described the book The
L.A.W.S. of golf
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:04:43
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Range to course
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the article i have shows him with a 90 degree shoulder turn....
"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1157743449.154077.250260@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Hard to find a vid of Stadlers swing, so this will have to do:
>
> http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/craigstadler/index1.html
>
> You can't miss that he has very little shoulder turn. He gets his
> shoulders behind the ball by having his right foot open and back as
> well as hinging more at the hips. Pretty much gets his shoulders
> perpendicular to the line of flight of the ball, but not with shoulder
> turn. He has a one piece style takeaway. This is typical for a barrel
> chested man; a classic W swing, which is well described the book The
> L.A.W.S. of golf
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:39:11
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Range to course
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John B. wrote:
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> Don't you lose distance with a shorter backswing?
That's hard to evaluate. I am more consistent for distance, and hit the
ball solidly more often. I'll have to wait until I get a better feel
for it, if I ever do, before I can answer that question accurately.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:36:59
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Range to course
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The_Professor wrote:
> > A "full shoulder turn" is not that essential. Craig Stadler is a great
> example of this. As I have more of a Cragi Stadler physique, I see no
> point in wating my time going for a full shoulder turn. Turning the
> shoulders too much in the backswing can be a real killer for me as it
> throws me off balance and takes my backswing way outside the proper
> swingplane. I really need to groove in living with whatever shoulder
> turn I am capable of making.
>
> Releasing too early is one of my biggest problems because I get too
> quick with the hands and arms. The shorter backswing makes this more of
> a problem, but it's just a mtter of getting used to the timing..I hope!
> I find a definate pause at the top really helps.
I see we have similar problems. I had a very good round yesterday, only
9 holes though, and things are improving slowly. Only one shank - cost
me 2 strokes and a ball. What you said about the shoulder turn is
interesting. I always thought full turn was a must. But maybe it=B4s
different if you got a powerful upper body with lots of mass and
momentum. But I=B4m more like Phil Mickelson minus the breasts. F
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:30:27
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Range to course
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The_Professor wrote:
> Fairway wrote:
> > The_Professor wrote:
> > > I've been working on a shorter backswing. The toughest 2 things are n=
ot
> > > getting quick and making the wristcock properly. Yesterday on the
> > > range, I really had it, better than ever before, and was swinging
> > > really smooth and easy and hitting the ball really solidly. I was
> > > putting and chipping about as well as I can.
> > Interesting. I=B4ve tried it too and shortened my swing considerably -
> > but not enough, I=B4m told. But there are some problems.
> >
> > 1) Can you manage a full shoulder turn with a shorter backswing?
> > 2) Do you hit too early or can you keep the wristcock into the
> > downswing?
> > 2) Can you manage the release without trouble?
> >
>
> A "full shoulder turn" is not that essential. Craig Stadler is a great
> example of this. As I have more of a Cragi Stadler physique, I see no
> point in wating my time going for a full shoulder turn. Turning the
> shoulders too much in the backswing can be a real killer for me as it
> throws me off balance and takes my backswing way outside the proper
> swingplane. I really need to groove in living with whatever shoulder
> turn I am capable of making.
>
> Releasing too early is one of my biggest problems because I get too
> quick with the hands and arms. The shorter backswing makes this more of
> a problem, but it's just a mtter of getting used to the timing..I hope!
> I find a definate pause at the top really helps.
>
> Ken Pitts advice about keeping the club close to you really makes a
> bigger difference now too.
Don't you lose distance with a shorter backswing?
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:05:19
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Range to course
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Fairway wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > I've been working on a shorter backswing. The toughest 2 things are not
> > getting quick and making the wristcock properly. Yesterday on the
> > range, I really had it, better than ever before, and was swinging
> > really smooth and easy and hitting the ball really solidly. I was
> > putting and chipping about as well as I can.
> Interesting. I=B4ve tried it too and shortened my swing considerably -
> but not enough, I=B4m told. But there are some problems.
>
> 1) Can you manage a full shoulder turn with a shorter backswing?
> 2) Do you hit too early or can you keep the wristcock into the
> downswing?
> 2) Can you manage the release without trouble?
>
A "full shoulder turn" is not that essential. Craig Stadler is a great
example of this. As I have more of a Cragi Stadler physique, I see no
point in wating my time going for a full shoulder turn. Turning the
shoulders too much in the backswing can be a real killer for me as it
throws me off balance and takes my backswing way outside the proper
swingplane. I really need to groove in living with whatever shoulder
turn I am capable of making.
Releasing too early is one of my biggest problems because I get too
quick with the hands and arms. The shorter backswing makes this more of
a problem, but it's just a mtter of getting used to the timing..I hope!
I find a definate pause at the top really helps.
Ken Pitts advice about keeping the club close to you really makes a
bigger difference now too.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 23:54:48
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Range to course
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>>A "full shoulder turn" is not that essential. Craig Stadler is a great
>>example of this.
Actually, Stalder is a horrible example of this. June 2004 Golf Digest, Tom
Watsons lesson tee, discusses how Craig Stadler is a big man that makes a
big shoulder turn of at least 90 degrees on every full swing. And it also
discusses how many heavy set people do not take full shoulder turns, when
they should be.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:45:45
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Range to course
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Matt wrote:
> >
>
> >>A "full shoulder turn" is not that essential. Craig Stadler is a great
> >>example of this.
>
> Actually, Stalder is a horrible example of this. June 2004 Golf Digest, Tom
> Watsons lesson tee, discusses how Craig Stadler is a big man that makes a
> big shoulder turn of at least 90 degrees on every full swing. And it also
> discusses how many heavy set people do not take full shoulder turns, when
> they should be.
I hearsd Stadler say different. If I cared that much, and I don't, I'd look up a
vid. I'm sure there is one out there, and when I see one, I'll post it.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 03:05:35
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Range to course
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The_Professor wrote:
> I've been working on a shorter backswing. The toughest 2 things are not
> getting quick and making the wristcock properly. Yesterday on the
> range, I really had it, better than ever before, and was swinging
> really smooth and easy and hitting the ball really solidly. I was
> putting and chipping about as well as I can.
Interesting. I=B4ve tried it too and shortened my swing considerably -
but not enough, I=B4m told. But there are some problems.
1) Can you manage a full shoulder turn with a shorter backswing?
2) Do you hit too early or can you keep the wristcock into the
downswing?
2) Can you manage the release without trouble?
I listen with attention to the professor.
F
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