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Date: 02 Oct 2006 15:27:16
From: Roger Thaat
Subject: Putting and birdie stats
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There's a thread about lies...that prompted me to post my thoughts on
the different types of birdies.
I've found there are iron birdies, driver birdies, putter birdies and
lucky birdies. By analyzing ones birdie output, one can determine
strengths and weaknesses. (That sounds a little fiveironish doesn't it?)
An iron birdie is the result of hitting an approach iron stiff (say
within 4-5 feet) and having an easy putt.
A driver birdie usually comes on a par 5 when you can get your sencond
shot on or close, making the next two hsots/putts a simple matter.
A putter birdie is the result of a long putt.
A lucky birdie is a chip in, hole out, or some other unusual phenomenon
(unless you're a top Ryder Cup pro when a chip in birdie is fairly
routine, it seems.)
--
Roger Thaat
You may remember me. I used to be called Howard U. Dewing, but only one
guy ever answered the question.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 02:29:12
From: muk
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:27:16 GMT, Roger Thaat <Nevermind@server.it > :
>There's a thread about lies...that prompted me to post my thoughts on
>the different types of birdies.
>
>I've found there are iron birdies, driver birdies, putter birdies and
>lucky birdies. By analyzing ones birdie output, one can determine
>strengths and weaknesses. (That sounds a little fiveironish doesn't it?)
>
>An iron birdie is the result of hitting an approach iron stiff (say
>within 4-5 feet) and having an easy putt.
>
>A driver birdie usually comes on a par 5 when you can get your sencond
>shot on or close, making the next two hsots/putts a simple matter.
>
>A putter birdie is the result of a long putt.
>
>A lucky birdie is a chip in, hole out, or some other unusual phenomenon
>(unless you're a top Ryder Cup pro when a chip in birdie is fairly
>routine, it seems.)
I have the reverse stats. It was a driver bogey if I sliced it into
the trees, an iron bogey if I hooked it on my approach, a putter bogey
when I three putt and a luckey bogey if I chip in from off the green
to save double.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:28:41
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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Roger Thaat wrote:
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> A driver birdie usually comes on a par 5 when you can get your sencond
> shot on or close, making the next two hsots/putts a simple matter.
I call that a "wedge birdie."
-Annika ---- > short knock
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 05:20:04
From: Roger Thaat
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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annika1980 wrote:
> Roger Thaat wrote:
>
>>A driver birdie usually comes on a par 5 when you can get your sencond
>>shot on or close, making the next two hsots/putts a simple matter.
>
>
> I call that a "wedge birdie."
>
> -Annika ----> short knock
>
...a wedgie?
--
Roger Thaat
You may remember me. I used to be called Howard U. Dewing, but only one
guy ever answered the question.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 23:49:25
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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"Roger Thaat" <Nevermind@server.it > wrote in message
news:odaUg.87269$R63.8790@pd7urf1no...
> There's a thread about lies...that prompted me to post my thoughts on
> the different types of birdies.
>
> I've found there are iron birdies, driver birdies, putter birdies and
> lucky birdies. By analyzing ones birdie output, one can determine
> strengths and weaknesses. (That sounds a little fiveironish doesn't it?)
>
> An iron birdie is the result of hitting an approach iron stiff (say
> within 4-5 feet) and having an easy putt.
>
> A driver birdie usually comes on a par 5 when you can get your sencond
> shot on or close, making the next two hsots/putts a simple matter.
>
> A putter birdie is the result of a long putt.
>
> A lucky birdie is a chip in, hole out, or some other unusual phenomenon
> (unless you're a top Ryder Cup pro when a chip in birdie is fairly
> routine, it seems.)
> --
> Roger Thaat
> You may remember me. I used to be called Howard U. Dewing, but only one
> guy ever answered the question.
That is an interesting perspective. Just for grins I dug the birdie data out
of my database. There were 7 holeouts from off the green, 103 putts from 6'
or less, 141 birdie putts made from more than 6', and 27 two putts (on par
5's).
dave
dave
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:32:18
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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Roger Thaat wrote:
> There's a thread about lies...that prompted me to post my thoughts on
> the different types of birdies.
>
> I've found there are iron birdies, driver birdies, putter birdies and
> lucky birdies. By analyzing ones birdie output, one can determine
> strengths and weaknesses. (That sounds a little fiveironish doesn't it?)
I'm a stat nut, but even I don't break down my birdies! I guess I
don't make enough, about 8% of the time.
If you want to analyze strengths and weaknesses, you need to do with
Pelz did when tracking players. Jot down the distance, club used, and
distance remaining, and where your miss is (long, short, left, right).
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 00:32:57
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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I think for my purposes, I should call as a putt close chips made with
a putting motion. I don't need to have exact definitions the way the
Tour needs for our entertainment - I need to know what needs to be
improved.
By the same token, the near miss counts as a good approach shot.
My big trouble with statistics is when I have situations that don't
fit what I am measuring. I don't track "shots hit with a big hunk of
dirt on the ball" for instance.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 20:08:41
From: Roger Thaat
Subject: Re: Putting and birdie stats
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Roger Thaat wrote:
>
>>There's a thread about lies...that prompted me to post my thoughts on
>>the different types of birdies.
>>
>>I've found there are iron birdies, driver birdies, putter birdies and
>>lucky birdies. By analyzing ones birdie output, one can determine
>>strengths and weaknesses. (That sounds a little fiveironish doesn't it?)
>
>
> I'm a stat nut, but even I don't break down my birdies! I guess I
> don't make enough, about 8% of the time.
>
> If you want to analyze strengths and weaknesses, you need to do with
> Pelz did when tracking players. Jot down the distance, club used, and
> distance remaining, and where your miss is (long, short, left, right).
>
I don't make many either, but when I do, I sorta make a mental
note..."That was a putter birdie..."
And when watching the pros, it's interesting to note where the birdies
come from. Seems to me the ratio of skill:luck is higher for a 6 iron
hit to three feet than making a 50 foot bomb.
--
Roger Thaat
You may remember me. I used to be called Howard U. Dewing, but only one
guy ever answered the question.
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