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Date: 14 Oct 2006 09:01:33
From: twfsa
Subject: Put the clubs away
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Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
used to.
Tom
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:41:33
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> > I've wondered if my real barrier wasn't one of a certain score and if my
> irons start commin up short, that my putting might improve to get me back
> into my comfort zone. I shot about 12 rounds, all on or near 80, in a row=
. I
> wonder if there is a way to teach my grandkids to get over that. I guess
> Tiger had his own 'par', different from the course par, that he and his d=
ad
> decided on, to get him to feel what it's like to set goals and acheive th=
em.
> "Raising a Tiger" is an interesting book.
It=B4s the same irritating pattern in every competetive sport I=B4ve
tried - football, karate, golf, chess, billiards - I quickly became
rather good at it but not very good. Many friends of mine seem to have
the uncanny ability to become excellent almost without trying.
Instantly they learn the right positions and the correct moves. Long
ago I heard that in our brains there is a group of cells which monitor
the positions of the body - maybe this group is more effective in some
of us.
>
> I guess it's Freudian but I read your last line as "An old fart must
> complicate every hard-on ... " : -)
Well - there are the wonders of modern medicine, you know! F
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 07:04:40
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> It's still fun to hit a good putt, though, no? When I realized that I was
> never going to be a pro (which should have happened a long time ago) and
> that I wasn't going to be the Barry Greenstein of golf, it did lose a lot=
of
> it's allure.
Strangely, when my swing deteriorated my short game, especially the
putts, improved a lot. I holed from ten yards and I holed from twenty -
but usually only for pars. Still, I felt as if Lady Luck was on my
side. An old fart must celebrate every hard-on, don=B4t you think? F
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:14:50
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> It's still fun to hit a good putt, though, no? When I realized that I was
> never going to be a pro (which should have happened a long time ago) and
> that I wasn't going to be the Barry Greenstein of golf, it did lose a lot
> of
> it's allure.
Strangely, when my swing deteriorated my short game, especially the
putts, improved a lot. I holed from ten yards and I holed from twenty -
but usually only for pars. Still, I felt as if Lady Luck was on my
side. An old fart must celebrate every hard-on, donīt you think? F
I've wondered if my real barrier wasn't one of a certain score and if my
irons start commin up short, that my putting might improve to get me back
into my comfort zone. I shot about 12 rounds, all on or near 80, in a row. I
wonder if there is a way to teach my grandkids to get over that. I guess
Tiger had his own 'par', different from the course par, that he and his dad
decided on, to get him to feel what it's like to set goals and acheive them.
"Raising a Tiger" is an interesting book.
I guess it's Freudian but I read your last line as "An old fart must
complicate every hard-on ... " : -)
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 06:03:43
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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> I've wondered if my real barrier wasn't one of a certain score and if my
> irons start commin up short, that my putting might improve to get me back
> into my comfort zone. I shot about 12 rounds, all on or near 80, in a row.
This is something that definitely happens, and it is just a specific example
of a more general problem. For example, it's closely related to my
observation that 4-foot putts are easy unless they're particularly
important. They can only be particuarly important if we have something in
mind other than just sinking the 4-foot putt in front of us.
As far as the mental side of golf is considered, the goal is to play each
stroke to the best of our physical abilities. We'll hit bad strokes
relative to our theoretical best on a regular basis no matter what our name
is, but mentally all we should be hoping for is that our minds don't get in
the way of the physical process (and maybe even help it along a bit). A
prerequisite for that is to mentally isolate each shot as much as possible.
In other words, the friggin 5-iron approach shot from the rough I'm left
with on a 370 yd par four has nothing to do in the athletic sense with the
lousy drive that put me there. It's just another golf shot, and my mind
can't help me by fixating on how much better off I'd be if I hadn't looked
up on that last drive, etc Or by speculating what it would mean to my
score if I were to hit this one tight. The problem at hand is hitting a
5-iron from the rough, not figuring out how that shot might fit in with the
ones that came before it or the ones after it.
I find that as soon as I start thinking about my overall score, my play
takes a turn for the worse. If I notice that I'm on a pace to break 80,
then I can pretty much count on a double bogey coming along. Knowing that
I'm on a pace to break such and such score doesn't help me focus on the shot
at hand. It tends to make me do the opposite.
I
> wonder if there is a way to teach my grandkids to get over that.
Yes, there is. Teach them to focus on golf shots, not golf scores. Someone
has to come along and tell a kid that he should really be thinking about how
he's doing scorewise as opposed to how he's going to strike the ball in
front of him well. Kids naturally concentrate on the shot at hand. They
have to be taught to play the mental game badly.
My six-year old daughter doesn't know at all that she screwed up a par 4 by
duffing the ball around a few times with an iron trying to get on the green,
turning a potential par into a double-bogey. She's just overjoyed that she
whacked her tee shot 80 yards down the fairway. If I make a point of
telling her that she'll do better next time (because her overall score for
the hole was 2-over), I will definitely not help her hit the next tee shot
well. Now the tee shot is not a new game, as it should be.
That's the mental attitude we should try to cultivate. Every shot is a new
round that has nothing to do with the shot before it or the one that will
come after it. That's really about all we can ask from our minds, other
than to stop mucking around with us in mid-swing.
> I guess Tiger had his own 'par', different from the course par, that he
> and his dad decided on, to get him to feel what it's like to set goals and
> acheive them. "Raising a Tiger" is an interesting book.
I might have to give it a read.
Scott
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Date: 19 Oct 2006 23:49:37
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote in message
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> "AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:3pPZg.5457$v43.2839@fed1read02...
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>> I've wondered if my real barrier wasn't one of a certain score and if my
>> irons start commin up short, that my putting might improve to get me back
>> into my comfort zone. I shot about 12 rounds, all on or near 80, in a
>> row.
>
> This is something that definitely happens, and it is just a specific
> example of a more general problem. For example, it's closely related to
> my observation that 4-foot putts are easy unless they're particularly
> important. They can only be particuarly important if we have something in
> mind other than just sinking the 4-foot putt in front of us.
>
> As far as the mental side of golf is considered, the goal is to play each
> stroke to the best of our physical abilities. We'll hit bad strokes
> relative to our theoretical best on a regular basis no matter what our
> name is, but mentally all we should be hoping for is that our minds don't
> get in the way of the physical process (and maybe even help it along a
> bit). A prerequisite for that is to mentally isolate each shot as much as
> possible.
>
> In other words, the friggin 5-iron approach shot from the rough I'm left
> with on a 370 yd par four has nothing to do in the athletic sense with the
> lousy drive that put me there. It's just another golf shot, and my mind
> can't help me by fixating on how much better off I'd be if I hadn't looked
> up on that last drive, etc Or by speculating what it would mean to my
> score if I were to hit this one tight. The problem at hand is hitting a
> 5-iron from the rough, not figuring out how that shot might fit in with
> the ones that came before it or the ones after it.
>
> I find that as soon as I start thinking about my overall score, my play
> takes a turn for the worse. If I notice that I'm on a pace to break 80,
> then I can pretty much count on a double bogey coming along. Knowing
> that I'm on a pace to break such and such score doesn't help me focus on
> the shot at hand. It tends to make me do the opposite.
>
> I
>> wonder if there is a way to teach my grandkids to get over that.
>
> Yes, there is. Teach them to focus on golf shots, not golf scores.
> Someone has to come along and tell a kid that he should really be thinking
> about how he's doing scorewise as opposed to how he's going to strike the
> ball in front of him well. Kids naturally concentrate on the shot at
> hand. They have to be taught to play the mental game badly.
>
> My six-year old daughter doesn't know at all that she screwed up a par 4
> by duffing the ball around a few times with an iron trying to get on the
> green, turning a potential par into a double-bogey. She's just overjoyed
> that she whacked her tee shot 80 yards down the fairway. If I make a
> point of telling her that she'll do better next time (because her overall
> score for the hole was 2-over), I will definitely not help her hit the
> next tee shot well. Now the tee shot is not a new game, as it should be.
>
> That's the mental attitude we should try to cultivate. Every shot is a
> new round that has nothing to do with the shot before it or the one that
> will come after it. That's really about all we can ask from our minds,
> other than to stop mucking around with us in mid-swing.
>
>> I guess Tiger had his own 'par', different from the course par, that he
>> and his dad decided on, to get him to feel what it's like to set goals
>> and acheive them. "Raising a Tiger" is an interesting book.
>
> I might have to give it a read.
>
> Scott
Do you find a huge difference in putts that are close enough to see the hole
and the ball at the same time and just a little farther out when you can't?
For me that is a natural category. If I put the ball forward and try to putt
sort of like Nicklaus, then I can see both the hole and ball when the ball
is further away. It seems that Nicklaus piston stroke is quite different
than a regular stroke that you see most of the time nowadays.
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:50:51
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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> Do you find a huge difference in putts that are close enough to see the
> hole and the ball at the same time and just a little farther out when you
> can't? For me that is a natural category. If I put the ball forward and
> try to putt sort of like Nicklaus, then I can see both the hole and ball
> when the ball is further away. It seems that Nicklaus piston stroke is
> quite different than a regular stroke that you see most of the time
> nowadays.
Not that I've noticed. The big difference seems to be close ones with
moderate breaks that I've put artificial importance on. As soon as I do
that, the putt becomes much more difficult. What's funny is that it's all
self-inflicted. No makeable putt is any more important than any other as
far the scorecard is concerned. The 5-footer to make birdie doesn't count
anymore than the 5-footer to make par, but my brain always seems to think it
needs to be especially controlling on birdie putts, being somehow more
important.
Scott
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Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:46:04
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote in message
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> "AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:Hs_Zg.5502$v43.2340@fed1read02...
>>
>> Do you find a huge difference in putts that are close enough to see the
>> hole and the ball at the same time and just a little farther out when you
>> can't? For me that is a natural category. If I put the ball forward and
>> try to putt sort of like Nicklaus, then I can see both the hole and ball
>> when the ball is further away. It seems that Nicklaus piston stroke is
>> quite different than a regular stroke that you see most of the time
>> nowadays.
>
> Not that I've noticed. The big difference seems to be close ones with
> moderate breaks that I've put artificial importance on. As soon as I do
> that, the putt becomes much more difficult. What's funny is that it's all
> self-inflicted. No makeable putt is any more important than any other as
> far the scorecard is concerned. The 5-footer to make birdie doesn't count
> anymore than the 5-footer to make par, but my brain always seems to think
> it needs to be especially controlling on birdie putts, being somehow more
> important.
>
> Scott
I can one up you on that. I put pressure on myself watching other people
putt on television. But it's kind of a learning too, maybe. I think that one
of the things I have to do is take whatever pressure there is or isn't and
execute through the pressure. Pressure or pain or boredom or your mind being
on what I did today or should be doiing are things that I have to learn to
putt through, all though it is easier to do the things I should do first.
: -)
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 11:25:38
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net > wrote in message
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> Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
> used to.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
My last round was Sept. 23rd. Pretty much hunting every weekend till ice
fishing season. :-)
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 17:05:58
From: Kevin D. Timm
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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MnMikew wrote:
>
> "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:056Yg.35070$iA5.23951@dukeread11...
> > Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
> > used to.
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> My last round was Sept. 23rd. Pretty much hunting every weekend till ice
> fishing season. :-)
Shut up :)
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 17:21:15
From: Steve Logan
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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Varooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
"Kevin D. Timm" <kevindtimm@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> MnMikew wrote:
>>
>> "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:056Yg.35070$iA5.23951@dukeread11...
>> > Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much
>> > as I
>> > used to.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> My last round was Sept. 23rd. Pretty much hunting every weekend till ice
>> fishing season. :-)
>
> Shut up :)
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 08:45:44
From:
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:01:33 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net > wrote:
>Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
>used to.
>
>
>Tom
Which model ? ? ?
k
91 XLS
97 FLSTS
For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 15:42:42
From: twfsa
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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First bike......... 2007 Sportster XL1200 Custom Stage 1, Screaming Eagle
pipes.
Tom
<teamdork > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:01:33 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>>Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
>>used to.
>>
>>
>>Tom
>
>
> Which model ? ? ?
>
>
>
> k
>
> 91 XLS
> 97 FLSTS
>
>
>
>
> For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never
> know.
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 13:52:38
From:
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:42:42 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net > wrote:
>First bike......... 2007 Sportster XL1200 Custom Stage 1, Screaming Eagle
>pipes.
>
>Tom
I'm something of a fat-ass ........... 6'0", 225 pounds .......... and
it never ceases to amaze me how my Sportster continually threatens to
come out from underneath me when I drop the hammer. The crotch rockets
have the RPM - and I'll give them that ........ it's the big twins
torque though that gives me wood.
k
For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 17:05:45
From: Kevin D. Timm
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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teamdork wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:42:42 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> >First bike......... 2007 Sportster XL1200 Custom Stage 1, Screaming Eagle
> >pipes.
> >
> >Tom
>
> I'm something of a fat-ass ........... 6'0", 225 pounds .......... and
> it never ceases to amaze me how my Sportster continually threatens to
> come out from underneath me when I drop the hammer. The crotch rockets
> have the RPM - and I'll give them that ........ it's the big twins
> torque though that gives me wood.
>
> k
>
> For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
I win (6'2" 275) but I drive a big twin Kaw (1500FI). It's my daily
driver, 36K in 4 years, only a pain when it rains (like today) and when
I want to golf. Then I use my wifes or one of my kids vehicles.
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Date: 15 Oct 2006 11:54:58
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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Welcome back Tom.
Sincerely, heterosexuals
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 12:20:59
From: Da Ringer.
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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I put my clubs away in November of 2004 and started building a 32x28
workshop in my backyard, started spending more time with the wife and kids,
boating, shopping, road trips, houshold stuff, more time with friends,
etc...... very happy.
This summer I played 3 times and had a total blast doing so. My passion for
the game returned and the game was actually fun again.
I'm probably not going to shoot any par or sub-par rounds again, but
actually I'm pleased with high 70's and low 80's as long as the game is fun
again.
Da Ringer
"twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net > wrote in message
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> Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
> used to.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 10:05:39
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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Da Ringer. wrote:
> I put my clubs away in November of 2004 and started building a 32x28
> workshop in my backyard, started spending more time with the wife and kids,
> boating, shopping, road trips, houshold stuff, more time with friends,
> etc...... very happy.
>
> This summer I played 3 times and had a total blast doing so. My passion for
> the game returned and the game was actually fun again.
>
> I'm probably not going to shoot any par or sub-par rounds again, but
> actually I'm pleased with high 70's and low 80's as long as the game is fun
> again.
>
> Da Ringer
>
I think that there's a lesson in there somewhere :)
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Date: 14 Oct 2006 11:37:39
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:01:33 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net > wrote:
>Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
>used to.
>
>
>Tom
>
>
Ben Rothlesberger and Gary Busey (sp?) are on lines 2 and 3.
James Dean is on line 1.
Be careful and wear a helmet.
--
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
jvdp
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Date: 15 Oct 2006 00:46:58
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: Put the clubs away
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"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:01:33 -0500, "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>>Put my clubs away, bought a new Harley, not enjoying the game as much as I
>>used to.
>>
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>
> Ben Rothlesberger and Gary Busey (sp?) are on lines 2 and 3.
>
> James Dean is on line 1.
>
> Be careful and wear a helmet.
> --
>
Jayson Williams (former Duke point guard) too...
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