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Date: 03 Jan 2007 23:54:29
From: Dave Lee
Subject: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
This is one of many drill swings that I often do that help me when things go
screwey. Quite frankly I'm tempted to do my "one piece backswing" on the
course sometimes, as I hit the ball reasonably well with it most times.
In this case we also have my new stance. I injured my iliotibial and the
only way that I can take a full swing is to point my left foot almost at the
target (no twisting at the hip - at least toward the problem hip). So my
feet are almost at right angles. I took this video today simply to see if
anything looked horribly wrong as I think I'll be swinging this way for a
while (have not yet been on the course with it). The wierd backswing was
kind of a habit thing as I do it a lot when warming up - wasn't even
thinking about it - just did it.
FWIW.
dave
ps. Will admit that a draw is kinda' tough right now.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 15:36:27
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> On Jan 3, 8:07 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > Bill, I've always had that funky little head rise right at the end of my
> > backswing. This particular backswing drill actually got started in an
> > attempt to isolate and eliminate it. But in doing this I realized that I am
> > actually very effective in quickly getting it back to right where it started
> > before the rise. My head positions as my hands are passing through shoulder
> > height (up and down) are rekable stable. I find swing changes to be
> > difficult at best, so I didn't work on it much - just didn't see the
> > pay-off.
>
> I have the same problem with the head rise. My pro seems to think
> it is pretty important to fix. Not just because you have to make
> that compensating dive, but there are other things that result from
> your left shoulder not going to the right place during the backswing.
I'd put it high on my list.
If the head has to lift like that, the center of rotation is moving.
It
is not usually horribly consistent, either, which sort of gets in the
way
of a sound repeating swing. Virtually all instruction in golf stresses
that
you should strive to keep the head fixed in position throughout the
backswing
at least.
Talking about the backswing
"Your head, of course, remains stationary"
TMFOG, lesson 3, Sublesson "The Shoulders"
pg 70
TMFOG also says the backswing should stop when the shoulder
reaches the chin (pg 71)
HTH.
-PA
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:04:10
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Dave Lee wrote:
> Thanks, Bret. Do you know what May's 2007 LPGA status is by any chance?
Let's put it this way .... I'll be at more LPGA events this year than
she will.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 20:31:28
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1168027450.636524.191750@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dave Lee wrote:
> > Thanks, Bret. Do you know what May's 2007 LPGA status is by any chance?
>
> Let's put it this way .... I'll be at more LPGA events this year than
> she will.
>
That is too bad. I saw her at our club last summer - a very attractive lady.
dave
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 22:51:29
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Jan 4, 9:06 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
> > I could grab some stills but the truth is that my release is (still is) a
> > bit early and my impact position is slightly weak (shaft pointing somewhere
> > between mid left should and left ear at impact). This damned iliotibial
> > problem started when I was working on the release issue (more aggressive hip
> > turn into the ball which came out of my pump drill work). I had initially
> > viewed my probability of success in improving my lag as less than 50%. After
> > a week or two of pump drills I felt a lot better about that. That activity
> > is definitely on indefinite hold at this point.The pump drill as you know is an excellent one for improving lag
> (reducing casting).
> Here's an old video of a very young May Wood doing it hitting a 7-iron.
>
> http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv
Is the pump drill the one she was doing, or the one you were doing
while watching the video?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 22:48:09
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Jan 4, 3:09 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167939310.372479.117370@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 8:07 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > > Bill, I've always had that funky little head rise right at the end of my
> > > backswing. This particular backswing drill actually got started in an
> > > attempt to isolate and eliminate it. But in doing this I realized that I
> am
> > > actually very effective in quickly getting it back to right where it
> started
> > > before the rise. My head positions as my hands are passing through
> shoulder
> > > height (up and down) are rekable stable. I find swing changes to be
> > > difficult at best, so I didn't work on it much - just didn't see the
> > > pay-off.
>
> > I have the same problem with the head rise. My pro seems to think
> > it is pretty important to fix. Not just because you have to make
> > that compensating dive, but there are other things that result from
> > your left shoulder not going to the right place during the backswing.My pro and I have talked about it and it just isn't "high on his list".
> Quite frankly I have often wondered if it shouldn't be high on my list
> anyway.
>
> But I don't think it matters. Had a horrible ballstriking day at the range
> today and was wondering if it was due to that severely "splayed out" left
> foot that I'm forced to use. I tried two swings (6i) with it turned out at
> something closer to 45*. That was one swing too many. Doctor's appointment
> tomorrow - don't think I'll be seeing the golf course anytime soon.
By all means, if you are still injured stay away from the golf clubs.
You are really close with your golf swing, though, to give up just
yet. But only if the body isn't hurting.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 03:19:14
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Dene wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > Dave Lee wrote:
> >
> > snip....
> >
> > I started working on a one piece takeaway a while ago, and came up with
> > this swing as a result. This is from an SEGOLF outing last year; a tee
> > shot on a short par 3. 130 or so as I recall, and the club was a 9I.
> >
> > http://home.att.net/~frostback2002/MeAtHampton.gif
> >
> > It's what I get with a 1 piece takeaway. It doesn't look pretty at all,
> > but it is effective. In this shot I had just started the downswing. The
> > shot was as perfect as it can be for me. It felt good, and almost went
> > in the hole. A literal tap in for birdie. Very flat, more bent over
> > than felt (and still feels) comfortable for me and a very short feeling
> > backswing. It's been really hard to not overswing. Overswinging really
> > limits the followthrough. The most important element is it leaves no
> > room to get quick, and that's been the hardest thing to adapt to, but
> > it's getting there.
>
> Nice hat!
>
Came with a free lunch with Dave, k and Paul. A much better deal than the
hat that came with a free breakfast with Brad!
;^)
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 19:06:18
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Dave Lee wrote:
> >
> I could grab some stills but the truth is that my release is (still is) a
> bit early and my impact position is slightly weak (shaft pointing somewhere
> between mid left should and left ear at impact). This damned iliotibial
> problem started when I was working on the release issue (more aggressive hip
> turn into the ball which came out of my pump drill work). I had initially
> viewed my probability of success in improving my lag as less than 50%. After
> a week or two of pump drills I felt a lot better about that. That activity
> is definitely on indefinite hold at this point.
The pump drill as you know is an excellent one for improving lag
(reducing casting).
Here's an old video of a very young May Wood doing it hitting a 7-iron.
http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:53:37
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167966378.373440.207740@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dave Lee wrote:
> > >
> > I could grab some stills but the truth is that my release is (still is)
a
> > bit early and my impact position is slightly weak (shaft pointing
somewhere
> > between mid left should and left ear at impact). This damned iliotibial
> > problem started when I was working on the release issue (more aggressive
hip
> > turn into the ball which came out of my pump drill work). I had
initially
> > viewed my probability of success in improving my lag as less than 50%.
After
> > a week or two of pump drills I felt a lot better about that. That
activity
> > is definitely on indefinite hold at this point.
>
> The pump drill as you know is an excellent one for improving lag
> (reducing casting).
> Here's an old video of a very young May Wood doing it hitting a 7-iron.
>
> http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv
>
Thanks, Bret. Do you know what May's 2007 LPGA status is by any chance?
dave
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:35:10
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Jan 3, 8:07 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> Bill, I've always had that funky little head rise right at the end of my
> backswing. This particular backswing drill actually got started in an
> attempt to isolate and eliminate it. But in doing this I realized that I am
> actually very effective in quickly getting it back to right where it started
> before the rise. My head positions as my hands are passing through shoulder
> height (up and down) are rekable stable. I find swing changes to be
> difficult at best, so I didn't work on it much - just didn't see the
> pay-off.
I have the same problem with the head rise. My pro seems to think
it is pretty important to fix. Not just because you have to make
that compensating dive, but there are other things that result from
your left shoulder not going to the right place during the backswing.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 21:09:07
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1167939310.372479.117370@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On Jan 3, 8:07 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > Bill, I've always had that funky little head rise right at the end of my
> > backswing. This particular backswing drill actually got started in an
> > attempt to isolate and eliminate it. But in doing this I realized that I
am
> > actually very effective in quickly getting it back to right where it
started
> > before the rise. My head positions as my hands are passing through
shoulder
> > height (up and down) are rekable stable. I find swing changes to be
> > difficult at best, so I didn't work on it much - just didn't see the
> > pay-off.
>
> I have the same problem with the head rise. My pro seems to think
> it is pretty important to fix. Not just because you have to make
> that compensating dive, but there are other things that result from
> your left shoulder not going to the right place during the backswing.
>
My pro and I have talked about it and it just isn't "high on his list".
Quite frankly I have often wondered if it shouldn't be high on my list
anyway.
But I don't think it matters. Had a horrible ballstriking day at the range
today and was wondering if it was due to that severely "splayed out" left
foot that I'm forced to use. I tried two swings (6i) with it turned out at
something closer to 45*. That was one swing too many. Doctor's appointment
tomorrow - don't think I'll be seeing the golf course anytime soon.
dave
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 10:56:14
From: Dene
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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The_Professor wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
> snip....
>
> I started working on a one piece takeaway a while ago, and came up with
> this swing as a result. This is from an SEGOLF outing last year; a tee
> shot on a short par 3. 130 or so as I recall, and the club was a 9I.
>
> http://home.att.net/~frostback2002/MeAtHampton.gif
>
> It's what I get with a 1 piece takeaway. It doesn't look pretty at all,
> but it is effective. In this shot I had just started the downswing. The
> shot was as perfect as it can be for me. It felt good, and almost went
> in the hole. A literal tap in for birdie. Very flat, more bent over
> than felt (and still feels) comfortable for me and a very short feeling
> backswing. It's been really hard to not overswing. Overswinging really
> limits the followthrough. The most important element is it leaves no
> room to get quick, and that's been the hardest thing to adapt to, but
> it's getting there.
Nice hat!
-Greg
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 10:33:19
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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Dave Lee wrote:
snip....
I started working on a one piece takeaway a while ago, and came up with
this swing as a result. This is from an SEGOLF outing last year; a tee
shot on a short par 3. 130 or so as I recall, and the club was a 9I.
http://home.att.net/~frostback2002/MeAtHampton.gif
It's what I get with a 1 piece takeaway. It doesn't look pretty at all,
but it is effective. In this shot I had just started the downswing. The
shot was as perfect as it can be for me. It felt good, and almost went
in the hole. A literal tap in for birdie. Very flat, more bent over
than felt (and still feels) comfortable for me and a very short feeling
backswing. It's been really hard to not overswing. Overswinging really
limits the followthrough. The most important element is it leaves no
room to get quick, and that's been the hardest thing to adapt to, but
it's getting there.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 18:12:40
From: GaryC_47
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1167935598.926213.4710@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
> snip....
>
> I started working on a one piece takeaway a while ago, and came up
> with
> this swing as a result. This is from an SEGOLF outing last year; a
> tee
> shot on a short par 3. 130 or so as I recall, and the club was a
> 9I.
>
> http://home.att.net/~frostback2002/MeAtHampton.gif
>
> It's what I get with a 1 piece takeaway. It doesn't look pretty at
> all,
> but it is effective. In this shot I had just started the
> downswing. The
> shot was as perfect as it can be for me. It felt good, and almost
> went
> in the hole. A literal tap in for birdie. Very flat, more bent
> over
> than felt (and still feels) comfortable for me and a very short
> feeling
> backswing. It's been really hard to not overswing. Overswinging
> really
> limits the followthrough. The most important element is it leaves
> no
> room to get quick, and that's been the hardest thing to adapt to,
> but
> it's getting there.
>
Is it just my imagination or were you aiming toward the woods on the
right?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 03:09:40
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:54:29 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
>
>OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
>
>This is one of many drill swings that I often do that help me when things go
>screwey. Quite frankly I'm tempted to do my "one piece backswing" on the
>course sometimes, as I hit the ball reasonably well with it most times.
>
>In this case we also have my new stance. I injured my iliotibial and the
>only way that I can take a full swing is to point my left foot almost at the
>target (no twisting at the hip - at least toward the problem hip). So my
>feet are almost at right angles. I took this video today simply to see if
>anything looked horribly wrong as I think I'll be swinging this way for a
>while (have not yet been on the course with it). The wierd backswing was
>kind of a habit thing as I do it a lot when warming up - wasn't even
>thinking about it - just did it.
I hate to ruin the party but you have clubhead throwaway.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:50:39
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:gvrop2tbs9ihrmbgjn6hm1rge1n5rmvnss@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:54:29 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
> >
> >OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
> >
> >This is one of many drill swings that I often do that help me when things
go
> >screwey. Quite frankly I'm tempted to do my "one piece backswing" on the
> >course sometimes, as I hit the ball reasonably well with it most times.
> >
> >In this case we also have my new stance. I injured my iliotibial and the
> >only way that I can take a full swing is to point my left foot almost at
the
> >target (no twisting at the hip - at least toward the problem hip). So my
> >feet are almost at right angles. I took this video today simply to see if
> >anything looked horribly wrong as I think I'll be swinging this way for a
> >while (have not yet been on the course with it). The wierd backswing was
> >kind of a habit thing as I do it a lot when warming up - wasn't even
> >thinking about it - just did it.
>
> I hate to ruin the party but you have clubhead throwaway.
>
>
>
Ruin the party??? You obviously aren't paying attention to the threads that
you sometimes participate in. It ain't like I didn't know it (and it ain't
like you haven't participated in threads where we discussed it - like in the
last week).
dave
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 16:49:04
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
>
> OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
>
> This is one of many drill swings that I often do that help me when things go
> screwey. Quite frankly I'm tempted to do my "one piece backswing" on the
> course sometimes, as I hit the ball reasonably well with it most times.
> that a draw is kinda' tough right now.
I see a lot of good things in your swing (despite the jerky nature of
the drill).
I played golf with someone years ago whose backswing looked something
like that,
but even stranger. I think it was some kind of system called "Super
Swing"
or something.
I like your weight shift and followthrough. It looks like you have
some
hip rotation, too, as a result of turning your left foot open. If it
works,
go for it. I knew a guy who did the exact same thing with his left
foot in order to clear his hips better. He was a lot more overweight
than you, though.
One bad thing I noticed is that you raised your head at the top of your
backswing.
Probably because your left shoulder comes around too flat. If you
rotate
your shoulders around your spine, the left shoulder has to drop on the
backswing. Once that happens, you will be able to stay in your
posture.
Of course this isn't helped by the nature of the drill you were doing.
I hate this FLV format. Is it possible to post screen shots of the
frames
right around impact?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 02:07:49
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1167871741.994481.66190@6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
> >
> > OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
> >
> > This is one of many drill swings that I often do that help me when
things go
> > screwey. Quite frankly I'm tempted to do my "one piece backswing" on the
> > course sometimes, as I hit the ball reasonably well with it most times.
> > that a draw is kinda' tough right now.
>
> I see a lot of good things in your swing (despite the jerky nature of
> the drill).
> I played golf with someone years ago whose backswing looked something
> like that,
> but even stranger. I think it was some kind of system called "Super
> Swing"
> or something.
>
> I like your weight shift and followthrough. It looks like you have
> some
> hip rotation, too, as a result of turning your left foot open. If it
> works,
> go for it. I knew a guy who did the exact same thing with his left
> foot in order to clear his hips better. He was a lot more overweight
> than you, though.
>
> One bad thing I noticed is that you raised your head at the top of your
> backswing.
> Probably because your left shoulder comes around too flat. If you
> rotate
> your shoulders around your spine, the left shoulder has to drop on the
> backswing. Once that happens, you will be able to stay in your
> posture.
> Of course this isn't helped by the nature of the drill you were doing.
>
> I hate this FLV format. Is it possible to post screen shots of the
> frames
> right around impact?
>
Bill, I've always had that funky little head rise right at the end of my
backswing. This particular backswing drill actually got started in an
attempt to isolate and eliminate it. But in doing this I realized that I am
actually very effective in quickly getting it back to right where it started
before the rise. My head positions as my hands are passing through shoulder
height (up and down) are rekable stable. I find swing changes to be
difficult at best, so I didn't work on it much - just didn't see the
pay-off. But I do swing as well (maybe even better) when I break my
backswing up into pieces (have a number of ways that I do that). Just
haven't (yet) tried it on the course.
I could grab some stills but the truth is that my release is (still is) a
bit early and my impact position is slightly weak (shaft pointing somewhere
between mid left should and left ear at impact). This damned iliotibial
problem started when I was working on the release issue (more aggressive hip
turn into the ball which came out of my pump drill work). I had initially
viewed my probability of success in improving my lag as less than 50%. After
a week or two of pump drills I felt a lot better about that. That activity
is definitely on indefinite hold at this point.
http://members.tripod.com/DaveLeeMn/lag.jpg are some impact area pics that I
posted back in November - things haven't changed much other than I tend to
stay behind the ball a bit better at this point.
dave
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 20:11:16
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:VjZmh.10418$X72.7852@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167871741.994481.66190@6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>> > Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
>> >
>> > OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
I really like your downswing.
Honestly.
I watched it 4 times, I'm jealous.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:28:56
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On 3-Jan-2007, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> >> > Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
> >> >
> >> > OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
>
> I really like your downswing.
> Honestly.
> I watched it 4 times, I'm jealous.
I agree with Brad, the downswing is smooth, fluid and natural. If you call
stiff, jerky and artificial "done properly" then the backswing is ok too!
;-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:51:33
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> news:VjZmh.10418$X72.7852@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1167871741.994481.66190@6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> >> > Thought I'd show you folks how a one-piece backswing done properly.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlwyKxjuns
> >> >
> >> > OK - maybe not exactly one piece :-)
>
> I really like your downswing.
> Honestly.
> I watched it 4 times, I'm jealous.
>
>
Laville got it right - at isn't that right. I just do wrong REALLY smooth.
dave
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 00:15:24
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:51:33 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>Laville got it right - at isn't that right. I just do wrong REALLY smooth.
I hate to see you struggle so much when the solution is so simple.
I'm convinced your problem is mental and if you can overcome it you'll
he playing the golf of your dreams.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 01:56:30
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:51:33 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >Laville got it right - at isn't that right. I just do wrong REALLY
smooth.
>
> I hate to see you struggle so much when the solution is so simple.
> I'm convinced your problem is mental and if you can overcome it you'll
> he playing the golf of your dreams.
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982
You might well be right - unfortunately - I don't have a clue has to how to
address issues from that angle. I don't have throw-away on my practice
swings and have tried mightily to 'move my practice swing to the ball'.
Never was able to make even a milli-inch of progress from that angle and I
tried all kinds of straight-forward stuff as well as some really tricky
stuff.
I'm pretty close to deciding 'this is my swing, learn to live with it'.
Everybody gets to that point if they recognize it or not. I may be there.
dave
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 03:13:29
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:56:30 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>You might well be right - unfortunately - I don't have a clue has to how to
>address issues from that angle. I don't have throw-away on my practice
>swings and have tried mightily to 'move my practice swing to the ball'.
>Never was able to make even a milli-inch of progress from that angle and I
>tried all kinds of straight-forward stuff as well as some really tricky
>stuff.
>
>I'm pretty close to deciding 'this is my swing, learn to live with it'.
>Everybody gets to that point if they recognize it or not. I may be there.
Dave, this is going to sound radical but next time you go to the range
to hit balls I want you to drop the club straight down on the ball.
Feel like you're trying to use the club to smash the ball against the
turf.
If you want go in your yard with a club and make this motion slowly.
Notice how you sustain the lag, no throwing of the club what so ever.
It really is that simple.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 12:18:52
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:56:30 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >You might well be right - unfortunately - I don't have a clue has to how
to
> >address issues from that angle. I don't have throw-away on my practice
> >swings and have tried mightily to 'move my practice swing to the ball'.
> >Never was able to make even a milli-inch of progress from that angle and
I
> >tried all kinds of straight-forward stuff as well as some really tricky
> >stuff.
> >
> >I'm pretty close to deciding 'this is my swing, learn to live with it'.
> >Everybody gets to that point if they recognize it or not. I may be there.
>
> Dave, this is going to sound radical but next time you go to the range
> to hit balls I want you to drop the club straight down on the ball.
> Feel like you're trying to use the club to smash the ball against the
> turf.
>
> If you want go in your yard with a club and make this motion slowly.
> Notice how you sustain the lag, no throwing of the club what so ever.
> It really is that simple.
>
>
Thanks -this suggestion does bring something to mind. I'll need a feedback
mechanism and, even if I made a swing without throwaway, it is unlikely to
produce a good shot. So I wont have that feedback mechanism. I really ought
to take bunch of whiffles into my back yard along with my camcorder and PC
and just "do stuff" like you said using the camcorder (or more likely PC
with a more visible screen and better control).
But after my iliotibial reinjury yesterday, it will all wait a while i
think.
dave
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 15:53:38
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: One Piece Backswing Video Demonstration
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
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>
> "David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:4igrp219lfvg1v5pi8afs1h7v7c5e48a8c@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:56:30 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> > <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You might well be right - unfortunately - I don't have a clue has to
how
> to
> > >address issues from that angle. I don't have throw-away on my practice
> > >swings and have tried mightily to 'move my practice swing to the ball'.
> > >Never was able to make even a milli-inch of progress from that angle
and
> I
> > >tried all kinds of straight-forward stuff as well as some really tricky
> > >stuff.
> > >
> > >I'm pretty close to deciding 'this is my swing, learn to live with it'.
> > >Everybody gets to that point if they recognize it or not. I may be
there.
> >
> > Dave, this is going to sound radical but next time you go to the range
> > to hit balls I want you to drop the club straight down on the ball.
> > Feel like you're trying to use the club to smash the ball against the
> > turf.
> >
> > If you want go in your yard with a club and make this motion slowly.
> > Notice how you sustain the lag, no throwing of the club what so ever.
> > It really is that simple.
> >
> >
> Thanks -this suggestion does bring something to mind. I'll need a feedback
> mechanism and, even if I made a swing without throwaway, it is unlikely to
> produce a good shot. So I wont have that feedback mechanism. I really
ought
> to take bunch of whiffles into my back yard along with my camcorder and PC
> and just "do stuff" like you said using the camcorder (or more likely PC
> with a more visible screen and better control).
>
> But after my iliotibial reinjury yesterday, it will all wait a while i
> think.
>
> dave
Related to all this is a question. For someone like me with what I'll call
"a moderate flip" release, is the mechanics of a good release just a delayed
version of a moderate flip or is it fundamentally different somehow? If so
how?
For reference is a link to a 'moderate flip release'.
http://members.tripod.com/DaveLeeMn/TheUglyTruth.jpg
dave
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