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Main Date: 18 Oct 2006 16:02:32 From: larry Subject: One Iron from a tight lie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my shoulder. Gary Player was right. When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every other club is a piece of cake. Larry   Date: 31 Oct 2006 05:33:26 From: JJK Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" wrote: > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. 1) Your swing looks a lot better than it appeared in the video someone here put to music. Keep it up. 2) However, you still don't maintain balance, even at the end of your swing. You might do better to swing w/o trying to hit the cover off the ball. 3) Your lag could be improved, which would provide you with more distance w/less effort. 4) Your backswing is not compact, as you claimed was your new swing strategy. 5) There is no evidence the ball went 230 yards straight down the fairway or that the lie was tight. For that matter, there's no evidence the club was a 1-iron. 6) Even if you did stripe the ball 230 yards, what fraction of such shots went past 20 yards. 7) How well do you hit a1-iron from the fairway during a round? 8 Thanks for sharing that keeping the clubhead accelerating past the ball is important. I suppose you think that no one here knows that.   Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:46:15 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie alan wrote: > In message <1161981429.660999.17750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > curtjester1@hotmail.com writes > > > >larry wrote: > >> On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >larry wrote: > >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >> >> > >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > >> >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > >> >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > >> >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > >> >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. > >> >> > >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > >> >> other club is a piece of cake. > >> >> > >> >> Larry > >> > > >> >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee > >> >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. > >> > >> I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good > >> one-- > >> > >> What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice > >> hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, > >> sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting > >> the ball and then the grass in front. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Nice to communicate with a real golfer! > >> > >Well if I had that drill completely down, I would probably more 'real'. > > > >> That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay > >> Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. > >> > >I hang out at a range where there is an Academy from an ex-Euro touring > >pro. He has a very unconventional swing. I asked him if he had the > >swing when he was on tour, and he said no. I then asked what he might > >have done if he had the swing then. He said he probably would have > >been a Ryder Cupper. Anyway, I took a segement of his swing from his > >site, and tried it where it coincided with mine, and it help me and > >gave me even more swing thoughts to go off into. Here his site. > > > >http://www.mgga.net/ > > > >CJ > > > >> Larry > > > Good grief I caddied for him in the 1984 Portuguese Open at Quinta Do > Lago!! > > http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/61631353 > -- > alan Nice picture of Portugal, I believe there. I'll have to tell him I 'ran into' you. I also commented that he had a better swing than most anybody I see on the Champions Tour, and he didn't deny it, and he seems most humble. I asked him about playing in the Senior Open, and he seemed too distant as in his though process. He has a son, 14 years old, so maybe that's his main concern. He lives in Manhattan, and his school now is in Bogota, New Jersey...30 Cross St. I don't know how he hit for you, but the swing he has now, is almost never off line. Still has a 230 carry for his 3W, and his ball flight is very high, where he said he never had a very high ball flight. CJ   Date: From: Subject:   Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:57:32 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >> > >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. > >> > >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > >> other club is a piece of cake. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee > >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. > > I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good > one-- > > What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice > hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, > sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting > the ball and then the grass in front. > > Thanks! > > Nice to communicate with a real golfer! > Well if I had that drill completely down, I would probably more 'real'. > That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay > Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. > I hang out at a range where there is an Academy from an ex-Euro touring pro. He has a very unconventional swing. I asked him if he had the swing when he was on tour, and he said no. I then asked what he might have done if he had the swing then. He said he probably would have been a Ryder Cupper. Anyway, I took a segement of his swing from his site, and tried it where it coincided with mine, and it help me and gave me even more swing thoughts to go off into. Here his site. http://www.mgga.net/ CJ > Larry   Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:43:16 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >> > >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. > >> > >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > >> other club is a piece of cake. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee > >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. > > I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good > one-- > > What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice > hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, > sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting > the ball and then the grass in front. > > Thanks! > > Nice to communicate with a real golfer! > Well if I was a 'real' golfer I probably wouldn't have to keep checking out that drill, but it's getting closer. > That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay > Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. > Here's another one from where I hang out. Haven't taken any lessons from this renouned ex-Pro, but he has quite a lesson following, and I have incorporated an idea from his site that happen to coincide with my swing philosophy and it helped. He played on the European tour for many years, and I asked him about his site and swing, and if it was the same? He said, "no", and then I asked him if he had the swing then, how would he have done? His reply, was, "probably a Ryder Cupper". It's an unconventional swing, but he stripes it pure practically every time. http://www.mgga.net/ CJ > Larry   Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:35:09 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >> > >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. > >> > >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > >> other club is a piece of cake. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee > >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. > > I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good > one-- > > What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice > hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, > sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting > the ball and then the grass in front. > > Thanks! > > Nice to communicate with a real golfer! > Well if I had that drill completely down, I would probably more 'real'. > That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay > Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. > I hang out at a range where there is an Academy from an ex-Euro touring pro. He has a very unconventional swing. I asked him if he had the swing when he was on tour, and he said no. I then asked what he might have done if he had the swing then. He said he probably would have been a Ryder Cupper. Anyway, I took a segement of his swing from his site, and tried it where it coincided with mine, and it help me and gave me even more swing thoughts to go off into. Here his site. http://www.mgga.net/ CJ > Larry     Date: 27 Oct 2006 15:33:30 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 27 Oct 2006 14:35:09 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > >larry wrote: >> On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> > >> >larry wrote: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> >> >> Larry >> > >> >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee >> >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. >> >> I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good >> one-- >> >> What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice >> hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, >> sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting >> the ball and then the grass in front. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Nice to communicate with a real golfer! >> >Well if I had that drill completely down, I would probably more 'real'. > >> That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay >> Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. >> >I hang out at a range where there is an Academy from an ex-Euro touring >pro. He has a very unconventional swing. I asked him if he had the >swing when he was on tour, and he said no. I then asked what he might >have done if he had the swing then. He said he probably would have >been a Ryder Cupper. Anyway, I took a segement of his swing from his >site, and tried it where it coincided with mine, and it help me and >gave me even more swing thoughts to go off into. Here his site. > >http://www.mgga.net/ Nothing unconventional about that swing. I wish I had his tempo!! Larry       Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:43:07 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:r825k25rm7l0u24ak9n9le6vq2vm57ncrq@4ax.com... >I wish I had his tempo!! > > Larry Ye, then you might be able to hit your 1i 230 yards   Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:17:37 From: pete z Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Colin Wilson wrote: > larry wrote: > > > I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here > > That's 'cos you write 'em. > > -- > Cheers > Colin Wilson 240 posts about a hack hitting a one iron, who says he's a 9 hdcp here, then a week later, is a scratch golfer playing in the championship flight. This has to be the all time troll record.   Date: 25 Oct 2006 14:59:42 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie jeffc wrote: > "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161778607.947453.93850@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> 1. Practically no one, myself included, believes that the video > >> referenced > >> produced a 230+ straight-as-an-arrow 1 iron shot. > > > > I believe it is possible, with a 65 yard roll. > > And if you bladed it, it wouldn't curve much. But that's not really the > point. I know, but technically Larry may be correct. Which reminds me. Back when I was younger (25), I did have a one-iron and hit it quite well Ironically I hit it about 230. When hit perfectly, that was only including a five-yard roll, but usually more like 10. Now I don't have it and couldn't hit it if I did (at the age of 40). Most people bragging about distance usually don't tell about roll, but it is usually quite a bit of the distance.     Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:10:36 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25 Oct 2006 14:59:42 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote: > >jeffc wrote: >> "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:1161778607.947453.93850@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > >> >> 1. Practically no one, myself included, believes that the video >> >> referenced >> >> produced a 230+ straight-as-an-arrow 1 iron shot. >> > >> > I believe it is possible, with a 65 yard roll. >> >> And if you bladed it, it wouldn't curve much. But that's not really the >> point. > >I know, but technically Larry may be correct. > >Which reminds me. Back when I was younger (25), I did have a one-iron >and hit it quite well Ironically I hit it about 230. When hit >perfectly, that was only including a five-yard roll, but usually more >like 10. Now I don't have it and couldn't hit it if I did (at the age >of 40). Most people bragging about distance usually don't tell about >roll, but it is usually quite a bit of the distance. What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play consistent golf, playe it down the middle. BTW, I shot 78 today from the tips. I hit ALL the fairways and about half the greens. I am working on middle iron accuracy so I can shoot par. Larry       Date: 27 Oct 2006 05:02:29 From: bill-o Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25-Oct-2006, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > BTW, I shot 78 today from the tips. Let's see with ESC that woukl be an 82 right? :-P -- bill-o A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.       Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:35:54 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:aervj2tjdmoiqapbhf7pclvhl7q50j9sdh@4ax.com... > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play > consistent golf, playe it down the middle. Larry, you just proved to all of us that you can't hit a 1i       Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:18:49 From: Carbon Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:10:36 -0700, larry wrote: > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play > consistent golf, playe it down the middle. You get a lot of roll because you don't have enough clubhead speed to hit a long iron properly.         Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:13:53 From: RB Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Colin Wilson wrote: > RB wrote: > >> Colin, I've long since given up countering LLLarry's claims with facts. > > Those facts weren't for Larry, they were for other observers who might > not fully understand. > I suspect that most are savvy enough to understand. :-) -- Ron       Date: 25 Oct 2006 23:39:08 From: Colin Wilson Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > Often they roll onto the greens. Jeez you talk shit. Typical 1-irons with a fast swingspeed will produce a backspin rate of around 4000rpm. Even a driver will give a backspin rate of about 2500-3000 rpm. -- Cheers Colin Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------ Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle ------------------------------------------------------------------         Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:52:03 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:39:08 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com > wrote: >larry wrote: > >> What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks >> backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. >> Often they roll onto the greens. > >Jeez you talk shit. > >Typical 1-irons with a fast swingspeed will produce a backspin rate of >around 4000rpm. Even a driver will give a backspin rate of about >2500-3000 rpm. Blah, blah, blah! The ball hits the ground and rolls better than it does from a hybrid. Larry         Date: 25 Oct 2006 18:42:08 From: RB Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Colin Wilson wrote: > larry wrote: > >> What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks >> backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. >> Often they roll onto the greens. > > Jeez you talk shit. > > Typical 1-irons with a fast swingspeed will produce a backspin rate of > around 4000rpm. Even a driver will give a backspin rate of about > 2500-3000 rpm. > Colin, I've long since given up countering LLLarry's claims with facts. -- Ron           Date: From: Subject:           Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:00:13 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:08 -0500, RB <probablyfake@madeup.com > wrote: >Colin Wilson wrote: >> larry wrote: >> >>> What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks >>> backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. >>> Often they roll onto the greens. >> >> Jeez you talk shit. >> >> Typical 1-irons with a fast swingspeed will produce a backspin rate of >> around 4000rpm. Even a driver will give a backspin rate of about >> 2500-3000 rpm. >> > >Colin, I've long since given up countering LLLarry's claims with facts. I shot 78 today from the tips. I suspect soon you will be contending with the "fact" of old Larry's near scratch tournament scores. Imagine that, the chagrin of the RSG nutcase regulars having to swallow that a 60 year old could start golfing and only 5 years later become a very low handicapper-- Doncha just hate it? How can you live with that?? Have you considered suicide? AND BTW, Republicans are going to hold both House and Senate-- against the trend of 50+ years when the out of power party always regains the majority in the 6th year of a president's term. We're #1, We're #1, HOORAH, etc. etc. etc. Larry (KING of RSG)             Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:34:48 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >I shot 78 today from the tips. I suspect soon you will be contending >with the "fact" of old Larry's near scratch tournament scores. Imagine >that, the chagrin of the RSG nutcase regulars having to swallow that a >60 year old could start golfing and only 5 years later become a very >low handicapper-- Doncha just hate it? How can you live with that?? >Have you considered suicide? That will make a great story. How good the story will be depends on which regulars you select as witnesses, and how much money you win from them.               Date: 25 Oct 2006 18:30:26 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:34:48 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote: >On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >wrote: > >>I shot 78 today from the tips. I suspect soon you will be contending >>with the "fact" of old Larry's near scratch tournament scores. Imagine >>that, the chagrin of the RSG nutcase regulars having to swallow that a >>60 year old could start golfing and only 5 years later become a very >>low handicapper-- Doncha just hate it? How can you live with that?? >>Have you considered suicide? > >That will make a great story. How good the story will be depends on >which regulars you select as witnesses, and how much money you win >from them. Whew! USGA tournament golf is wildly different than RSG tournament golf. Larry (KING of RSG)                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:34:28 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:0s30k2978mf7mj9nh39uvqt0faona2knme@4ax.com... > Whew! USGA tournament golf is wildly different than RSG tournament > golf. > > Larry (KING of RSG) Hey King Name one USGA Tournament you've played in. Let me guess--you won't respond.                 Date: 26 Oct 2006 01:53:50 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:30:26 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >>That will make a great story. How good the story will be depends on >>which regulars you select as witnesses, and how much money you win >>from them. > >Whew! USGA tournament golf is wildly different than RSG tournament >golf. The Rules of Golf are the Rules of Golf.                   Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:36:08 From: RB Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Howard Brazee wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:30:26 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > wrote: > >>> That will make a great story. How good the story will be depends on >>> which regulars you select as witnesses, and how much money you win >> >from them. >> >> Whew! USGA tournament golf is wildly different than RSG tournament >> golf. > > The Rules of Golf are the Rules of Golf. No, his club events are "Sanctioned USGA Tournaments", as opposed to club tournaments and events played according to USGA rules. -- Ron                     Date: 27 Oct 2006 05:05:50 From: bill-o Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25-Oct-2006, RB <probablyfake@madeup.com > wrote: > No, his club events are "Sanctioned USGA Tournaments", as opposed to > club tournaments and events played according to USGA rules. So they let chops into USGA events now? Even for the pub links you have to be a 8.4 -- bill-o A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.                       Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:49:12 From: RB Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie bill-o wrote: > On 25-Oct-2006, RB <probablyfake@madeup.com> wrote: > >> No, his club events are "Sanctioned USGA Tournaments", as opposed to >> club tournaments and events played according to USGA rules. > > So they let chops into USGA events now? Even for the pub links you have to > be a 8.4 > I was being facetious. :-) His claims of "USGA Tournament Golf" are nothing more than exaggerations that don't comport with the facts. Further, he assumes that any golf not played in, at, or as part of a club must not therefore be played according to the Rules of Golf. Funny. In his last twenty rounds, he has not a single "T" score. Oh, well. Just a nit, I know. -- Ron             Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:25:11 From: Carbon Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:00:13 -0700, larry wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:08 -0500, RB <probablyfake@madeup.com> > wrote: >>Colin Wilson wrote: >>> Jeez you talk shit. >>Colin, I've long since given up countering LLLarry's claims with facts. > I shot 78 today from the tips. ...which are shorter than the whites at the local muni.             Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:31:23 From: Colin Wilson Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > Larry (KING of SHIT) Corrected. -- Cheers Colin Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------ Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle ------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. CJ     Date: 25 Oct 2006 15:58:23 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25 Oct 2006 12:36:52 -0700, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote: > >larry wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry > >Now try it when you have it teed up an inch higher than a normal tee >shot. That will tell you if you have a real swing. I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here, but that is a good one-- What you describe is exactly what I work on! I like to practice hitting down and keeping the clubhead moving low on the range, sometimes teeing a ball full driver height--and then with 5i, hitting the ball and then the grass in front. Thanks! Nice to communicate with a real golfer! That, BTW is one I learned during a series of lessons with Jay Lumpkin, former PGA touring pro. Larry       Date: 25 Oct 2006 23:21:36 From: Colin Wilson Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > I don't answer about 99% of the inane posts here That's 'cos you write 'em. -- Cheers Colin Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------ Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle ------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2006 12:21:06 From: Ben. Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 25, 8:36 am, "S McFarlane" <s...@nothanks.com > wrote: > "Bobby Knight" <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote in messagenews:dcouj2dl6sngd07nhncbsqvca50fbc506k@4ax.com... > > > > > Baby seal? Surely you jest. There's nothing innocent about > > LLLLLLarrry and his braggadocio here. He's a liar about much more > > than this one-iron thing, and deserves all of the static that he's > > received.Nothing to do with innocence. More like Tiger Woods showing us that he can > hit an unprotected green from 100 yds out. > > >>If I were tired of Larry's spiel, I'd have probably just left it alone > >>altogether. If I felt compelled to say anything at all, I'd have left it > >>at: 'Larry, that's a hell of a swing. Amazing that you could have learned > >>so much in so short a time', or some such thing. I don't see what's to be > >>gained by going much beyond that, since Larry is apparently not looking > >>for > >>real feedback. > > > If I were you then, I'd have eschewed this post, since no one > > necessarily is looking for your feedback. :-) Works both ways.Sorta. You're on record as to what you think about my take on it, and so I > won't be trying to jam it down your throat. I've been reading the NG for a > very short amount of time, and it appears from that little bit that Larry is > definitely on the record as to how he feels about feedback on his golfing > abilities, regardless of his arrogant style. My point is basically, why jam > it down his throat? Some people find it entertaining, I suppose. Don't listen to anyone, including myself. Your post was eloquent, thoughtful and cut to the very heart of the matter, vis-a-vis, the dingbats who can't resist Larry's latest golfing revelation/panacea. Well said. But what do I know?   Date: 25 Oct 2006 05:16:48 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie > 1. Practically no one, myself included, believes that the video referenced > produced a 230+ straight-as-an-arrow 1 iron shot. I believe it is possible, with a 65 yard roll. > 2. Practically no one has anything to gain by making Larry own up to what > seems to be obvious. Larry's audience may well be fed up with his spiel by > now, but what motivates them to play this game? Boredom. Not much else going on this board, unless you want a political argument. :-)     Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:31:59 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message news:1161778607.947453.93850@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> 1. Practically no one, myself included, believes that the video >> referenced >> produced a 230+ straight-as-an-arrow 1 iron shot. > > I believe it is possible, with a 65 yard roll. And if you bladed it, it wouldn't curve much. But that's not really the point.   Date: 24 Oct 2006 11:57:28 From: Ersatz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:02:58 -0400, "A Brick in the Wall" > <NoSpam@NoThanks.com> wrote: > > > > >""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message > >news:gqydnWVGBMAu36TYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >> news:v3uhj2l9r2198hobsskprti0snqh352up3@4ax.com... > >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" > >>> <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... > >>>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more > >>>>> before it reaches the ball. > >>>> > >>>>Randy is not Decelerating > >>> > >>> Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than > >>> useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of > >>> other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing > >>> well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference > >>> between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. > >>> > >>> Larry > >> > >> > >> You don't, either, by the way. But you sure think you do. > >> > > > >That's going to leave a k on larry.... Probably will look just like the > >door he walked into with his comments. > > I agree with Ernest Jones in this regard-- that there is essentially > nothing useful to learn by looking at the video of our or others's > swings. My teacher doesn't use video and strongly advises against use > of it for swing analysis. He says video swing analysis by amateurs, > especially of their own swing, nearly aways does FAR more harm than > good. They always focus on trivia and then destroy their natural > swing while trying to fix it directly, forgetting to swing while > working on their hips or something. He says the ball flight, the > divot, and the follow through are all we need to know. I knew you > decelerated because momentum didn't carry you to a full classic > finish. That is not inconsistent because if I were watching you on > the range I wouldn't have needed to analyze a video of your swing to > see that you didn't finish your swing-- and thus probably decelerated. > We avoid deceleration by focusing on a swing thought that makes us > keep the clubhead going LONG after impact-- exactly as Karate students > are taught to "hit through" an object instead of focusing on the > object itself. > > Larry Gotta hand it to you Larry, the success of this latest troll must be beyond your wildest dreams. Long may it continue. Entertainment at it's very best. Your admirer. Rog   Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:13:26 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:18:51 +0100, "Alan Murphy" > <afmccl@btinternet.com> wrote: > > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... > > > >> I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his > >> day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied > >> with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to > >> do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, > >> looking at his swing is a waste of time. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Ben Hogan's tip: > >http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv > > > >Look at this swing clip of Hogan posted by Bret > >above. It is a direct and utter contradiction of the > >statement that you have just made. This clip is > >IMHO the best single bit of golf instruction that it > >is possible to have. Here is the master graphically > >explaining exactly what he thinks is the most > >important element of the golf swing, in words and > >in exact actions. Watch it and learn for once and I > >am convinced that even you will profit by it. > > > >Alan > > BS!!!! He stated the obvious. EVERYONE knows we should do that, OF > COURSE we should start our downsiwng with our lower body. IF we don't > start our downswing with our lower body, we fall down!!! The brain > knows where the upper body is going and prepares--just as it does when > we throw a ball or swing an ax, etc. etc. > > The golf swing is "natural" if we simply swing horizontally like > baseball and then bend over and swing the same way (Jim Flick.) > > Larry There you have it everyone. Larry says Ben Hogan's advice is bunk. You heard it here first!   Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:42:45 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 23, 7:10 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote: > On 23 Oct 2006 16:56:31 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > > > > > <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >On Oct 23, 6:31 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote: > >> On 23 Oct 2006 16:23:51 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > >> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if > >> >you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to > >> >play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. > >> >I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture > >> >both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. > >> >We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. > > >> >How about it? > > >> >I have posted my swing before, BTW, several times. Feel > >> >free to google.Odds? He's always declined to meet anyone from RSG, probably because > >> he'd be found out. Especially since you'll have your camera there. No > >> retakes.... :-) > > >Hey, I suck! Here's his chance to expose me as a fraud (except > >that I've always said my swing sucks). > > >I don't mean to make a big competition or confrontation out of this. > >Hey, I won't even post my video of his swing, if he wants. > >But we both share an interest in swing mechanics, so I > >think it would be a good opportunity to meet, talk, and look > >at some things that are always blurred in his videos. > > >But it's no big deal to me either way.The problem is that you're a stand-up guy, and his fear is that you > will report what transpires. I believe that LLLLLarrry is afraid of > not being able to perform what he has professed as his general > abilities, like being able to hit a one iron 230....even off a great > lie. Pun intended. :-) That's not what I was trying to do. But I agree that the odds are slim that he will accept.     Date: 23 Oct 2006 20:17:12 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 23 Oct 2006 17:42:45 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: > > >On Oct 23, 7:10 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote: >> On 23 Oct 2006 16:56:31 -0700, "Birdie Bill" >>The problem is that you're a stand-up guy, and his fear is that you >> will report what transpires. I believe that LLLLLarrry is afraid of >> not being able to perform what he has professed as his general >> abilities, like being able to hit a one iron 230....even off a great >> lie. Pun intended. :-) > >That's not what I was trying to do. > >But I agree that the odds are slim that he will accept. Gee...LLLLLLLLarrrry Kinng of RSG hasn't responded. Fancy that. -- ___, \o   Date: 23 Oct 2006 16:56:31 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 23, 6:31 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote: > On 23 Oct 2006 16:23:51 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if > >you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to > >play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. > >I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture > >both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. > >We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. > > >How about it? > > >I have posted my swing before, BTW, several times. Feel > >free to google.Odds? He's always declined to meet anyone from RSG, probably because > he'd be found out. Especially since you'll have your camera there. No > retakes.... :-) Hey, I suck! Here's his chance to expose me as a fraud (except that I've always said my swing sucks). I don't mean to make a big competition or confrontation out of this. Hey, I won't even post my video of his swing, if he wants. But we both share an interest in swing mechanics, so I think it would be a good opportunity to meet, talk, and look at some things that are always blurred in his videos. But it's no big deal to me either way.     Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:10:15 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 23 Oct 2006 16:56:31 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: > > >On Oct 23, 6:31 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote: >> On 23 Oct 2006 16:23:51 -0700, "Birdie Bill" >> >> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if >> >you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to >> >play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. >> >I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture >> >both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. >> >We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. >> >> >How about it? >> >> >I have posted my swing before, BTW, several times. Feel >> >free to google.Odds? He's always declined to meet anyone from RSG, probably because >> he'd be found out. Especially since you'll have your camera there. No >> retakes.... :-) > >Hey, I suck! Here's his chance to expose me as a fraud (except >that I've always said my swing sucks). > >I don't mean to make a big competition or confrontation out of this. >Hey, I won't even post my video of his swing, if he wants. >But we both share an interest in swing mechanics, so I >think it would be a good opportunity to meet, talk, and look >at some things that are always blurred in his videos. > >But it's no big deal to me either way. The problem is that you're a stand-up guy, and his fear is that you will report what transpires. I believe that LLLLLarrry is afraid of not being able to perform what he has professed as his general abilities, like being able to hit a one iron 230....even off a great lie. Pun intended. :-) -- ___, \o   Date: 23 Oct 2006 16:23:51 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 23, 12:22 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com > wrote: > On 20 Oct 2006 22:21:29 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > > > > > <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >On Oct 19, 12:48 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: > >> On 19 Oct 2006 07:43:37 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > >> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >On Oct 18, 6:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: > >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > >> >Better than the sway in the previous video, but still plenty > >> >to work on. I didn't see a divot. Probably a second-groove > >> >impact at best.I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. > > >Youi are right, your swing is perfect. > > >A perfect example of "powerless effort".I love it. Lets see your swing?? > > Larry- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. How about it? I have posted my swing before, BTW, several times. Feel free to google.     Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:45:30 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:1161645831.206594.112280@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >A perfect example of "powerless effort". >>I love it. Lets see your swing?? >> >> Larry- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > > I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if > you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to > play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. > I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture > both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. > We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. > > How about it? And the silence from larry is... deafening.     Date: 23 Oct 2006 18:31:11 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 23 Oct 2006 16:23:51 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: >I'll be in San Diego in two weeks, the weekend of 11/4-5, if >you want to see my swing in person. I won't have time to >play a round, but I'd be glad to meet you at a driving range. >I'll have my Sony VX2000 along, and would be glad to capture >both of our swings in proper detail, face-on and down-the-line. >We can also look at such details as impact ks, etc. > >How about it? > >I have posted my swing before, BTW, several times. Feel >free to google. Odds? He's always declined to meet anyone from RSG, probably because he'd be found out. Especially since you'll have your camera there. No retakes.... :-) -- ___, \o   Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:49:34 From: Dene Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie annika1980 wrote: > Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv You have a nice, natural one plane swing. Notice how Bret maintains his spine angle throughout the swing. Sets up relatively far from the ball. Turns and fires. > Ben Hogan's tip: > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv Where did you get this? Are there more?? -Greg     Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:01:48 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 23 Oct 2006 10:49:34 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote: > >annika1980 wrote: >> Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: >> http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv > >You have a nice, natural one plane swing. Notice how Bret maintains >his spine angle throughout the swing. Sets up relatively far from the >ball. Turns and fires. > >> Ben Hogan's tip: >> http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv He is absolutely right, except that nobody can just decide to "move their lower body" first. Golfers must use a swing thought that indirectly makes them do that-- and that is usually a plan to swing over something in front of the ball-- or to complete their swing after the ball position, etc. For 99.99% of us, just deciding to "move their lower body" results in an uncoordinated mess. The whole trick in the golf swing is to find the swing thought that makes you do it right, in the right sequence. We know the names of those who have sucessfully done that. Larry       Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:39:21 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:volqj2dlibcfj7das3bckcscc3b7l8uiut@4ax.com... > For 99.99% of us, just deciding to "move > their lower body" results in an uncoordinated mess. Maybe you should stop trying to do that then.   Date: 23 Oct 2006 06:56:52 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Steven Paul wrote: > > Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: > > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv > > > If you pause that at impact it looks like somebody's impaled you on a > stake. Please don't give Tex any ideas.   Date: 23 Oct 2006 06:56:14 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Sparky wrote: >> It's uncanny how he looked just like Young Joseph back then..... No, this is Young Joseph back then with a young May Wood hitting in the background. http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/joemay.wmv     Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:38:10 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message news:1161611774.359028.82570@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Sparky wrote: >>> It's uncanny how he looked just like Young Joseph back then..... > > No, this is Young Joseph back then > with a young May Wood hitting in the background. > > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/joemay.wmv > That guy really is good. Such extension, and the speed! It's just a blur through the ball. That dude looks like a scratch golfer.   Date: 23 Oct 2006 06:53:58 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Bobby Knight wrote: > > >And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: > >http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv > > Great tan. Well, I played a lot more golf back then. Stanford, ya know.   Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:45:24 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:cccdj2pokp2o0osrmfdkn2s5v0ll31bdef@4ax.com... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. No you weren't. > This is a one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow > straight. No it didn't. > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. Your swing is a horrific piece of shit. With every club.   Date: 21 Oct 2006 06:05:16 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" > <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: > > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... > >> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more > >> before it reaches the ball. > > > >Randy is not Decelerating > > Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than > useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of > other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing > well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference > between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. > > Larry I bet you're a riot at parties?     Date: 21 Oct 2006 19:03:07 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Dunno, he never shows up at anything. "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message news:1161435916.237450.73820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > larry wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" >> <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> >news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >> >> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >> >> before it reaches the ball. >> > >> >Randy is not Decelerating >> >> Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than >> useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of >> other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing >> well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference >> between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. >> >> Larry > > I bet you're a riot at parties? >     Date: 21 Oct 2006 15:00:04 From: A Brick in the Wall Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message news:1161435916.237450.73820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > larry wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" >> <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> >news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >> >> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >> >> before it reaches the ball. >> > >> >Randy is not Decelerating >> >> Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than >> useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of >> other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing >> well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference >> between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. >> >> Larry > > I bet you're a riot at parties? > Now who would invite him?   Date: 21 Oct 2006 02:24:45 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie bill-o wrote: > On 20-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Sounds like you discovered the secret of golf. > > He does about once a month or so! :-) > Lots of secrets, then ;)     Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:24:59 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 21 Oct 2006 02:24:45 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >bill-o wrote: >> On 20-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > Sounds like you discovered the secret of golf. >> >> He does about once a month or so! :-) >> >Lots of secrets, then ;) I have been playing golf 5 years. I have been evolving toward this--actually back to STC. I admit I am 4 years late, I took a detour from Swing the Clubhead to video lessons, position analysis, SLAP, and other stuff that diverted my attention--there was much to unlearn. Larry   Date: 20 Oct 2006 22:21:29 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 19, 12:48 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com > wrote: > On 19 Oct 2006 07:43:37 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > > <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >On Oct 18, 6:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > >Better than the sway in the previous video, but still plenty > >to work on. I didn't see a divot. Probably a second-groove > >impact at best.I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. Youi are right, your swing is perfect. A perfect example of "powerless effort".     Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:22:28 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 22:21:29 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: > > >On Oct 19, 12:48 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: >> On 19 Oct 2006 07:43:37 -0700, "Birdie Bill" >> >> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Oct 18, 6:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> >Better than the sway in the previous video, but still plenty >> >to work on. I didn't see a divot. Probably a second-groove >> >impact at best.I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. > >Youi are right, your swing is perfect. > >A perfect example of "powerless effort". I love it. Lets see your swing?? Larry   Date: 20 Oct 2006 16:09:15 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > None of that matters-trivial meaningless details. An accelerating > golf swing swamps out all that stuff. A good golfer can pick up any > club, even cheap trash out of the $1 barrel, and hit it pure. > > Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead > accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and > all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact > will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you > from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - > undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. Sounds like you discovered the secret of golf. Unfortunately winter is coming to Europe and my season is over. Hope I=B4ll remember your advice next spring. F     Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:07:55 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 16:09:15 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> > None of that matters-trivial meaningless details. An accelerating >> golf swing swamps out all that stuff. A good golfer can pick up any >> club, even cheap trash out of the $1 barrel, and hit it pure. >> >> Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead >> accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and >> all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact >> will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you >> from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - >> undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. >Sounds like you discovered the secret of golf. Unfortunately winter is >coming to Europe and my season is over. Hope I´ll remember your advice >next spring. F Hi Fairway, This principle applies to every shot in golf (and most other sports). Every coach of every sport in which an object is thrown or propelled tells their students that the follow-through is vitally important. That because humans WILL decelerate when we focus directly on the object to be struck. Good putters such as Tiger take the putterhead back only a few inches and then accelerate it on the target line. Same with chipping, pitching and of course the full shot. Bob Toski taught in his early books, 1950s era, to warmup with putts, then chips, then pitches, and then short irons etc. in order to get and preserve that smooth accelerating feeling all the way to driver-- going back to short irons or even chips as necessary if we start jerking or decelerating during the later warmup. Larry     Date: 21 Oct 2006 06:41:56 From: bill-o Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > Sounds like you discovered the secret of golf. He does about once a month or so! :-) -- bill-o A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.   Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:47:27 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Carbon wrote: > > > > You certainly are cocky for a guy who only has a nine-handicap or so. > > For a guy who says he has a nine handicap. Not the same thing. When Larry plays by himself he's a 9. When he plays with people he's a 26.   Date: 20 Oct 2006 14:08:21 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 20 Oct 2006 11:04:41 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> > > >> Post your one-iron swing. > >> > > > >Maybe I'll post my 6-iron swing. It's the same as my 1-iron swing. > > I doubt it. Unless you have a very good centrifugal swing, no hand > action and accelerating clubhead through the ball, you will mishit the > one or two irons. Your doubt of a good outcome will make you "do > something" with hands before impact and that always spoils the shot. > It is about confidence. One or two iron from a tight lie-- not > sitting up on a tuft of grass, please. > > Larry You certainly are cocky for a guy who only has a nine-handicap or so.     Date: 20 Oct 2006 21:38:00 From: Carbon Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:08:21 -0700, Indiana_John wrote: > larry wrote: >> I doubt it. Unless you have a very good centrifugal swing, no hand >> action and accelerating clubhead through the ball, you will mishit the >> one or two irons. Your doubt of a good outcome will make you "do >> something" with hands before impact and that always spoils the shot. It >> is about confidence. One or two iron from a tight lie-- not sitting up >> on a tuft of grass, please. > > You certainly are cocky for a guy who only has a nine-handicap or so. For a guy who says he has a nine handicap. Not the same thing.   Date: 20 Oct 2006 13:18:22 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > >Maybe I'll post my 6-iron swing. It's the same as my 1-iron swing. > > I doubt it. Unless you have a very good centrifugal swing, no hand > action and accelerating clubhead through the ball, you will mishit the > one or two irons. I kinda doubt it. > Your doubt of a good outcome will make you "do > something" with hands before impact and that always spoils the shot. > It is about confidence. I don't have a prob in that area. I've said it many times, "I may not be worth a shit, but I'm confident as hell!" >One or two iron from a tight lie-- not sitting up on a tuft of grass, please. You mean not like your video, huh? Putting me on a tight lie is like throwing brer rabbit into the briar patch. I'm a picker, ya know. I can't hit the ball as far as many folks, I'll admit. But I can pick the hell out of it. Cartpaths don't mean shit to me. As Mr. Hogan would say, "And if you don't mind I'll demonstrate....." Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv Ben Hogan's tip: http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv My next wife: http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/gulbis.wmv And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv     Date: 23 Oct 2006 08:30:48 From: John van der Pflum Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 13:18:22 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > >And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: >http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv Hey! Quit trying to claim you are me!!!!! -- jvdp I ain't buying beer for no replay HIO. http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi http://www.rsgcincinnati.com     Date: 23 Oct 2006 09:50:41 From: Alan Murphy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message news:1161375502.341354.122140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv > ...and if you'd kept that right knee anchored it just might have been a HIO. Nice shot, A. Alan     Date: 22 Oct 2006 20:34:04 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 13:18:22 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: >And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: >http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv Great tan. -- ___, \o     Date: 22 Oct 2006 19:09:24 From: Steven Paul Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <1161375502.341354.122140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >, annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv > Wow! Is that really you? Nice swing. How come you can't get turned like that now?       Date: 23 Oct 2006 02:25:43 From: Sparky Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 22-Oct-2006, Steven Paul <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote: > In article <1161375502.341354.122140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote: > > > And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: > > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv > > > > Wow! Is that really you? Nice swing. How come you can't get turned like > that now? It's uncanny how he looked just like Young Joseph back then..... me         Date: 23 Oct 2006 08:31:41 From: John van der Pflum Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:25:43 GMT, "Sparky" <biff@funco.com > wrote: > >On 22-Oct-2006, Steven Paul <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm> wrote: > >> In article <1161375502.341354.122140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, >> annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote: >> >> > And this is me back when I was thinner and could really hit it: >> > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/twhc04.wmv >> > >> >> Wow! Is that really you? Nice swing. How come you can't get turned like >> that now? > > It's uncanny how he looked just like Young Joseph back then..... > > >me Or some other guy who has double digit majors ............. -- jvdp I ain't buying beer for no replay HIO. http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi http://www.rsgcincinnati.com     Date: 22 Oct 2006 19:03:56 From: Steven Paul Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <1161375502.341354.122140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >, annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > Me, hitting a 5-wood on Lanai: > http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/manele.wmv If you pause that at impact it looks like somebody's impaled you on a stake. Good shot though ;-)   Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:33:44 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 19, 2:27 pm, "Fairway" <armins...@yahoo.com > wrote: > I see no reason why talented > Americans should not been able to do the same. F Hey F, I think your head is, ahem, "Lodged" up your ass.   Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:04:41 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > > Post your one-iron swing. > Maybe I'll post my 6-iron swing. It's the same as my 1-iron swing.     Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:23:54 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 11:04:41 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> > >> Post your one-iron swing. >> > >Maybe I'll post my 6-iron swing. It's the same as my 1-iron swing. I doubt it. Unless you have a very good centrifugal swing, no hand action and accelerating clubhead through the ball, you will mishit the one or two irons. Your doubt of a good outcome will make you "do something" with hands before impact and that always spoils the shot. It is about confidence. One or two iron from a tight lie-- not sitting up on a tuft of grass, please. Larry   Date: 20 Oct 2006 08:46:57 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Fairway wrote: > Larry Bud wrote: > > > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult > > > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence > > > on the course. > > > > > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! > > > > What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: > > > > http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886 > > That should end all the silly comments on your handicap. You are > probably among the best - or the very best - players here on RSG. By > the way, are you the inventor? F I don't know about that. Handicap alone is a meaningless parameter. You'd have to see the guy play to see if it is legit. Around here, about 80% of the single digit handicaps are phoney. Most 2 handicappers I know can't break 80 when they play in real tournaments (like USGA qualifiers and the like). The guy may be legit though, but the handicap itself isn't an indicator iof anything. He could be a scratch who is sandbagging too, you never know; and you can't know from handicap listings.     Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:36:37 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 20 Oct 2006 08:46:57 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote: > >Fairway wrote: >> Larry Bud wrote: >> > > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >> > > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >> > > on the course. >> > > >> > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! >> > >> > What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: >> > >> > http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886 >> >> That should end all the silly comments on your handicap. You are >> probably among the best - or the very best - players here on RSG. By >> the way, are you the inventor? F > >I don't know about that. Handicap alone is a meaningless parameter. >You'd have to see the guy play to see if it is legit. Around here, >about 80% of the single digit handicaps are phoney. Most 2 handicappers >I know can't break 80 when they play in real tournaments (like USGA >qualifiers and the like). The guy may be legit though, but the handicap >itself isn't an indicator iof anything. He could be a scratch who is >sandbagging too, you never know; and you can't know from handicap >listings. We can usually recognize a "vanity" handicap, however. A nearly certain sign is the lack of sanctioned USGA tournament scores. Most don't enter such tournaments because he just can't risk that he would shoot 90 with someone counting every stroke, playing every ball down, no gimmie putts. Larry   Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:21:15 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Larry Bud wrote: > > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult > > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence > > on the course. > > > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! > > What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: > > http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886 That should end all the silly comments on your handicap. You are probably among the best - or the very best - players here on RSG. By the way, are you the inventor? F   Date: 20 Oct 2006 00:12:11 From: Zuke Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, larry wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:42 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> > wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:53:52 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >> <clip> >>>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight >>> lie--every >>>> other club is a piece of cake. >>>> >>>> Larry >>> >>> The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything >>> correctly. >>> >>> Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. >>> >>> Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might >>> be tilting left too much at setup. >>> Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's >>> not necessary to take it back so far. >>> It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. >>> Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. >>> You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your >>> weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see >>> a chicken-wing on the follow thru. >>> You finish off balance. > > Not perfect, but the ball went straight and long enough. This swing > repeats enough to score. And I am working to get forward faster and > finish more in balance. Nice to know exactly what to work on. > > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence > on the course. > I'd say a 450cc driver from a tight lie might be a more difficult shot. Most of scoring is how often you can do it. Might be better to take a four iron and then hope you can hit a wedge close. Four out of ten times on that shot you are going to be looking at a big number. Golf is a lot like football in that regard, minimizing your big mistakes gives you an advantage on the field in the long run. > So lets all post our one-iron swings! > > Larry > >     Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:25:18 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:12:11 -0400, Zuke <me@privacy.net > wrote: >On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, larry wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:42 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:53:52 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >>> <clip> >>>>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight >>>> lie--every >>>>> other club is a piece of cake. >>>>> >>>>> Larry >>>> >>>> The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything >>>> correctly. >>>> >>>> Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. >>>> >>>> Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might >>>> be tilting left too much at setup. >>>> Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's >>>> not necessary to take it back so far. >>>> It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. >>>> Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. >>>> You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your >>>> weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see >>>> a chicken-wing on the follow thru. >>>> You finish off balance. >> >> Not perfect, but the ball went straight and long enough. This swing >> repeats enough to score. And I am working to get forward faster and >> finish more in balance. Nice to know exactly what to work on. >> >> BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >> lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >> on the course. >> > >I'd say a 450cc driver from a tight lie might be a more difficult >shot. Most of scoring is how often you can do it. Might be >better to take a four iron and then hope you can hit a wedge >close. Four out of ten times on that shot you are going to >be looking at a big number. Golf is a lot like football in >that regard, minimizing your big mistakes gives you an >advantage on the field in the long run. Of course I don't pull out the 1i on the course very often-- but I do use my 3i quite often for long green approaches. I would MUCH rather keep it going straight and low than raise the ball with a lofted club- and risk hitting it off line--into the rough or treeline. If I mishit it a little it is still in the short grass and with a decent pitch or chip I can avoid bogie-- and certain not double. Larry       Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:50:01 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:7uthj291fu3ql4tjrlvl2d5tcu9pc46a34@4ax.com... > > Of course I don't pull out the 1i on the course very often-- but I do > use my 3i quite often for long green approaches. I would MUCH rather > keep it going straight and low than raise the ball with a lofted club- > and risk hitting it off line You're a moron.         Date: 25 Oct 2006 03:18:50 From: Douglas Siebert Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > writes: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:7uthj291fu3ql4tjrlvl2d5tcu9pc46a34@4ax.com... >> >> Of course I don't pull out the 1i on the course very often-- but I do >> use my 3i quite often for long green approaches. I would MUCH rather >> keep it going straight and low than raise the ball with a lofted club- >> and risk hitting it off line >You're a moron. Heh. You might have also pointed out to him that anyone who can hit a "1 iron off a tight lie 230+ 9 out of 10 times" will almost NEVER have a 3 iron into the green, at least not on any par 4s. The only time I have a 3 iron to a par 4, even those newfangled ones that are nearly 500 yards, is if its into a stiff wind or I hit a bad drive. If Larry's using a 3 iron "quite often" he doesn't have a swing speed capable of hitting a 1 iron 230+ from any lie. -- Douglas Siebert dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net You're only young once, but you can be immature forever.           Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:28:04 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Douglas Siebert" <dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net > wrote in message news:ehml2q$2a3$2@narsil.avalon.net... > > If Larry's using a 3 iron "quite often" he doesn't have a swing speed > capable of hitting a 1 iron 230+ from any lie. Good point.           Date: 25 Oct 2006 05:02:39 From: S McFarlane Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Douglas Siebert" <dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net > wrote in message news:ehml2q$2a3$2@narsil.avalon.net... > > Heh. You might have also pointed out to him that anyone who can hit a "1 > iron off a tight lie 230+ 9 out of 10 times" will almost NEVER have a 3 > iron into the green, at least not on any par 4s. The only time I have a > 3 iron to a par 4, even those newfangled ones that are nearly 500 yards, > is if its into a stiff wind or I hit a bad drive. > > If Larry's using a 3 iron "quite often" he doesn't have a swing speed > capable of hitting a 1 iron 230+ from any lie. > "You should never argue with a crazy mind." Love that line, because it's such a bit of profundity embedded in a bunch of top 40 banality. This has been an interesting thread to watch. It's really amazing on many levels, none of which have anything to do with golf. 1. Practically no one, myself included, believes that the video referenced produced a 230+ straight-as-an-arrow 1 iron shot. I'm not even convinced that the author owns a 1 iron; I can't imagine why he'd want to (I don't want one, and I'd guess I'd know more what to do with it than the average bear). Sorry, Larry (especially if the swing you gave us really _did_ result in such a nice shot), I just don't see it. I guess my eye _is_ fixated on the trivial. 2. Practically no one has anything to gain by making Larry own up to what seems to be obvious. Larry's audience may well be fed up with his spiel by now, but what motivates them to play this game? Surely they don't think that anyone might be misled by Larry, so it's not altruism. It almost seems like beating on baby seals, but I don't think it's a sadistic thing that motivates Larry's nemesi. But then what is it? Maybe the internet just makes it easier to beat baby seals, sort of like 20,000 feet makes it easier for a bombardier to kill several thousand people with the push of a button, whether they have it coming or not. If I were tired of Larry's spiel, I'd have probably just left it alone altogether. If I felt compelled to say anything at all, I'd have left it at: 'Larry, that's a hell of a swing. Amazing that you could have learned so much in so short a time', or some such thing. I don't see what's to be gained by going much beyond that, since Larry is apparently not looking for real feedback. Were I to find myself behaving publicly in such a manner that Larry's detractors attribute to him (leaving completely open the possibility that Larry is not behaving in such a manner, but simply addressing the accusations), I'd really hope that my fellow Menschen could look past it and just give me a pass. I'm definitely not foolish enough to think it impossible that I might someday be in need of such understanding, particularly if I'm so lucky as to make it as far down the road as Larry has. For all I know, Larry is as sharp as a knife on the course and gets pissed off when he's forced to post a score over 80. Supposing he's not, I don't see that it matters to me if he chooses to say otherwise. Such a thing certainly wouldn't rise to the level of baby seal killing. Hoping for quarter in your weakness, you should be willing to give it in your strength. So, Larry, I will not be patronizing you when I congratulate you on your swing. It's a damn site better than I anticipate for myself at 65+, assuming the improbable scenario of my still breathing at such an age. I don't give a rat's ass whether you can produce the sort of extraordinary shot you're laying claim to (and such a shot would be extraordinary for any golfer I've ever known; I could do it maybe 2 times out of 10). It's still a nice swing for someone upwards of 60 years with less than 5 years under their belt. 30-year old golfers with worse swings are a dime a dozen. That said, you'd do even better if you gave up on El Dorado. There's no such thing in golf. Scott PS If you're ever in Dallas, look me up and we'll play some golf. You'll have to settle for crappy municipal courses, but if you can endure such a thing consider it an open invitation...             Date: 25 Oct 2006 10:09:47 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:02:39 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote: >So, Larry, I will not be patronizing you when I congratulate you on your >swing. It's a damn site better than I anticipate for myself at 65+, >assuming the improbable scenario of my still breathing at such an age. I >don't give a rat's ass whether you can produce the sort of extraordinary >shot you're laying claim to (and such a shot would be extraordinary for any >golfer I've ever known; I could do it maybe 2 times out of 10). It's still >a nice swing for someone upwards of 60 years with less than 5 years under >their belt. 30-year old golfers with worse swings are a dime a dozen. Thanks. FYI I use my 1 iron (and my Whippy 5i and an old Haig Ultra 2i) on the range as training tools. When I think my swing is working, I hit those to see whether I can indeed hit it long and straight. I believe we fool ourselves with modern game improvement clubs, but you can't fool either a Whippy or an old forged blade. My goal is to develop a smooth hands-free swing--and there ain't much better test of that than an old rusty forged blade from the 50s with heavy steel shaft. I am amused to read criticism from guys who can't hit golf shots with any of those clubs. Larry             Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:31:09 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote in message news:PdC%g.5180$fA.2280@trnddc05... > > 2. Practically no one has anything to gain by making Larry own up to what > seems to be obvious. Larry's audience may well be fed up with his spiel > by now, but what motivates them to play this game? Surely they don't > think that anyone might be misled by Larry, so it's not altruism. It > almost seems like beating on baby seals, but I don't think it's a sadistic > thing that motivates Larry's nemesi. But then what is it? It's not baby seals, it's more like Chucky. Or killing Nazis in Castle Wolfenstein. Who doesn't wanna do that? It's cheap and fun. He's such a buffoon that it just doesn't grow old.             Date: 25 Oct 2006 08:15:26 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:02:39 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote: >2. Practically no one has anything to gain by making Larry own up to what >seems to be obvious. Larry's audience may well be fed up with his spiel by >now, but what motivates them to play this game? Surely they don't think >that anyone might be misled by Larry, so it's not altruism. It almost seems >like beating on baby seals, but I don't think it's a sadistic thing that >motivates Larry's nemesi. But then what is it? Maybe the internet just >makes it easier to beat baby seals, sort of like 20,000 feet makes it easier >for a bombardier to kill several thousand people with the push of a button, >whether they have it coming or not. > Baby seal? Surely you jest. There's nothing innocent about LLLLLLarrry and his braggadocio here. He's a liar about much more than this one-iron thing, and deserves all of the static that he's received. >If I were tired of Larry's spiel, I'd have probably just left it alone >altogether. If I felt compelled to say anything at all, I'd have left it >at: 'Larry, that's a hell of a swing. Amazing that you could have learned >so much in so short a time', or some such thing. I don't see what's to be >gained by going much beyond that, since Larry is apparently not looking for >real feedback. > If I were you then, I'd have eschewed this post, since no one necessarily is looking for your feedback. :-) Works both ways. >Were I to find myself behaving publicly in such a manner that Larry's >detractors attribute to him (leaving completely open the possibility that >Larry is not behaving in such a manner, but simply addressing the >accusations), I'd really hope that my fellow Menschen could look past it and >just give me a pass. I'm definitely not foolish enough to think it >impossible that I might someday be in need of such understanding, >particularly if I'm so lucky as to make it as far down the road as Larry >has. For all I know, Larry is as sharp as a knife on the course and gets >pissed off when he's forced to post a score over 80. Supposing he's not, I >don't see that it matters to me if he chooses to say otherwise. Such a >thing certainly wouldn't rise to the level of baby seal killing. Hoping for >quarter in your weakness, you should be willing to give it in your strength. > You're new around here, huh? Suffice it to say that there's a litany of posts from LLLLarrry that run the gamut about golf, generally contradicting himself with a follow-up. Politically, he's the opposite; espousing a single thought over and over. >PS If you're ever in Dallas, look me up and we'll play some golf. You'll >have to settle for crappy municipal courses, but if you can endure such a >thing consider it an open invitation... > What courses in Dallas do you play? There are several RSGers in the area. ___, \o               Date: 25 Oct 2006 13:36:10 From: S McFarlane Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message news:dcouj2dl6sngd07nhncbsqvca50fbc506k@4ax.com... >> > Baby seal? Surely you jest. There's nothing innocent about > LLLLLLarrry and his braggadocio here. He's a liar about much more > than this one-iron thing, and deserves all of the static that he's > received. Nothing to do with innocence. More like Tiger Woods showing us that he can hit an unprotected green from 100 yds out. >>If I were tired of Larry's spiel, I'd have probably just left it alone >>altogether. If I felt compelled to say anything at all, I'd have left it >>at: 'Larry, that's a hell of a swing. Amazing that you could have learned >>so much in so short a time', or some such thing. I don't see what's to be >>gained by going much beyond that, since Larry is apparently not looking >>for >>real feedback. >> > If I were you then, I'd have eschewed this post, since no one > necessarily is looking for your feedback. :-) Works both ways. Sorta. You're on record as to what you think about my take on it, and so I won't be trying to jam it down your throat. I've been reading the NG for a very short amount of time, and it appears from that little bit that Larry is definitely on the record as to how he feels about feedback on his golfing abilities, regardless of his arrogant style. My point is basically, why jam it down his throat? Some people find it entertaining, I suppose. > >> > You're new around here, huh? Suffice it to say that there's a litany > of posts from LLLLarrry that run the gamut about golf, generally > contradicting himself with a follow-up. Politically, he's the > opposite; espousing a single thought over and over. So I gather. Well, you already know how I deal with it, so no need to repeat myself. > >>PS If you're ever in Dallas, look me up and we'll play some golf. You'll >>have to settle for crappy municipal courses, but if you can endure such a >>thing consider it an open invitation... >> > What courses in Dallas do you play? There are several RSGers in the > area. Almost exclusively muni's, mostly on the east side (Firewheel, Sherrill Park, Waterview, Pecan Hollow...). I've recently taken a liking to Tenison Glens. My situation is such that I can play crappy courses during twilight twice a week or really nice courses once a month. For me, that's a no-brainer. Maybe someday I'll strike a gusher and join Dallas National... Scott                 Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:09:28 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 27, 11:22 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net > wrote: > In article <1161952801.672551.169...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > > "BigPurdueFan" <bigpu...@aol.com> wrote: > > Carbon wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry wrote: > > > > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > > > > clubhead speed. > > > > *cough*85*cough* > > > If you hit a 1-iron 230 yards with a 95 mph swing speed (or less), then > > you must have flown that one about 185, tops.You noticed that too, huh? Get real. It landed at about 165 and rolled to 180.                 Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:41:16 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > >> >>clubhead speed. > >> > > >> >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf > >> >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. > >> > >> Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well > >> makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed > >> confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most > >> difficult clubs. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch > >golfers! > > So where should he go? Golfers of such ability are pretty scarce > here. This bunch plays only non-USGA sanctioned "tournaments" among > themselves. I haven't seen posts from any RSG regulars talking about > playing in their city, county, or state amateur championships. That's > because they would shoot 90. > > Larry I was quoting you. You did realize that, right?                 Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:14:34 From: greenkeeper Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In message <h7d4k2ho5rnbgjit9svo2q63rd7sd62r4i@4ax.com >, larry <larry@deldata.com > writes >On 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> >wrote: > >> >>larry wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH >>> >>clubhead speed. >>> > >>> >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf >>> >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. >>> >>> Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well >>> makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed >>> confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most >>> difficult clubs. >>> >>> Larry >> >>Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch >>golfers! > >So where should he go? Golfers of such ability are pretty scarce >here. This bunch plays only non-USGA sanctioned "tournaments" among >themselves. I haven't seen posts from any RSG regulars talking about >playing in their city, county, or state amateur championships. That's >because they would shoot 90. > >Larry Do I count as a regular? I have played in the UK equivalents. http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/69106107/ -- alan                   Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:19:43 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <Cu+09Jb65jQFFw9W@alancampbell.demon.co.uk >, greenkeeper <greenkeeper@alancampbell.xxxdemon.co.uk > wrote: > In message <h7d4k2ho5rnbgjit9svo2q63rd7sd62r4i@4ax.com>, larry > <larry@deldata.com> writes > >On 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> > >wrote: > > > >> > >>larry wrote: > >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > >>> >wrote: > >>> > > >>> >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > >>> >>clubhead speed. > >>> > > >>> >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf > >>> >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. > >>> > >>> Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well > >>> makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed > >>> confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most > >>> difficult clubs. > >>> > >>> Larry > >> > >>Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch > >>golfers! > > > >So where should he go? Golfers of such ability are pretty scarce > >here. This bunch plays only non-USGA sanctioned "tournaments" among > >themselves. I haven't seen posts from any RSG regulars talking about > >playing in their city, county, or state amateur championships. That's > >because they would shoot 90. > > > >Larry > > > Do I count as a regular? I have played in the UK equivalents. > > http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/69106107/ Do you agree with Larry about everything he's ever said about the golf swing? Then you count. Otherwise... <g > -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)                 Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> > wrote: > > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > >wrote: > > > >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > >>clubhead speed. > > > >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf > >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. > > Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well > makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed > confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most > difficult clubs. > > Larry Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch golfers!                   Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:36:02 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> >> wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >> >wrote: >> > >> >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH >> >>clubhead speed. >> > >> >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf >> >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. >> >> Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well >> makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed >> confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most >> difficult clubs. >> >> Larry > >Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch >golfers! So where should he go? Golfers of such ability are pretty scarce here. This bunch plays only non-USGA sanctioned "tournaments" among themselves. I haven't seen posts from any RSG regulars talking about playing in their city, county, or state amateur championships. That's because they would shoot 90. Larry                     Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:39:16 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <h7d4k2ho5rnbgjit9svo2q63rd7sd62r4i@4ax.com >, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > On 27 Oct 2006 09:27:05 -0700, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > >> >>clubhead speed. > >> > > >> >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf > >> >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. > >> > >> Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well > >> makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed > >> confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most > >> difficult clubs. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Don't listen to him Howard. Just listen to tournament-proven scratch > >golfers! > > So where should he go? Golfers of such ability are pretty scarce > here. This bunch plays only non-USGA sanctioned "tournaments" among > themselves. I haven't seen posts from any RSG regulars talking about > playing in their city, county, or state amateur championships. That's > because they would shoot 90. > > Larry LOL We haven't heard about you playing in any such championships either, Larry... -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)                 Date: 27 Oct 2006 05:40:01 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Carbon wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry wrote: > > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > > clubhead speed. > > > *cough*85*cough* If you hit a 1-iron 230 yards with a 95 mph swing speed (or less), then you must have flown that one about 185, tops.                   Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:22:25 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <1161952801.672551.169830@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote: > Carbon wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry wrote: > > > > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > > > clubhead speed. > > > > > > *cough*85*cough* > > If you hit a 1-iron 230 yards with a 95 mph swing speed (or less), then > you must have flown that one about 185, tops. You noticed that too, huh? -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:20:06 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie S McFarlane wrote: > > Almost exclusively muni's, mostly on the east side (Firewheel, Sherrill > Park, Waterview, Pecan Hollow...). I've recently taken a liking to Tenison > Glens. My situation is such that I can play crappy courses during twilight > twice a week or really nice courses once a month. For me, that's a > no-brainer. Maybe someday I'll strike a gusher and join Dallas National... > > Scott Scott, Email me sometime, we'll get together for a twilight round very soon. (I would have emailed you, but you're despammed) KT                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 09:53:42 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Rob Davis wrote: > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. >=20 And who wouldn=B4t brag about that? F                   Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:25:24 From: Sparky Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > Rob Davis wrote: > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. > > > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F That's a bit short for a 1 iron... me                     Date: 26 Oct 2006 17:08:29 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Sparky wrote: > > On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Rob Davis wrote: > > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a > > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. > > > > > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F > > That's a bit short for a 1 iron... > > me I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron.                       Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:29 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" <kevindtimm@comcast.net > wrote: >Sparky wrote: >> >> On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > Rob Davis wrote: >> > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a >> > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. >> > > >> > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F >> >> That's a bit short for a 1 iron... >> >> me > >I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron. Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH clubhead speed. larry                         Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:33:57 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:29 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" > <kevindtimm@comcast.net> wrote: > > >Sparky wrote: > >> > >> On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Rob Davis wrote: > >> > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a > >> > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. > >> > > > >> > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F > >> > >> That's a bit short for a 1 iron... > >> > >> me > > > >I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron. > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > clubhead speed. > > larry Why wait 'til then? I'm just comparing apples to apples                         Date: 27 Oct 2006 03:02:03 From: Sparky Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 26-Oct-2006, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > >Sparky wrote: > >> > >> On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Rob Davis wrote: > >> > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting > >> > > a > >> > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. > >> > > > >> > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F > >> > >> That's a bit short for a 1 iron... > >> > >> me > > > >I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron. > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > clubhead speed. 95 MPH?? That's kinda slow don'tcha think? Heck, I'm a 44yr old heart patient with a pacemaker and even I can exceed 120 MPH.... If you learned a better technique perhaps you could speed that up a bit.. me                           Date: 26 Oct 2006 20:31:35 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Sparky wrote: > On 26-Oct-2006, larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote: >=20 >>> Sparky wrote: >>>> On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rob Davis wrote: >>>>>>> In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting >>>>>> a >>>>>> 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. >>>>>> >>>>> And who wouldn=B4t brag about that? F >>>> That's a bit short for a 1 iron... >>>> >>>> me >>> I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron. >> Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH >> clubhead speed. >=20 > 95 MPH?? That's kinda slow don'tcha think? Heck, I'm a 44yr old hea= rt > patient with a pacemaker and even I can exceed 120 MPH.... If you lea= rned > a better technique perhaps you could speed that up a bit.. >=20 >=20 > me you assholes with fast twitch wrist muscles really piss me off. The rest = of us old fucks deal with our 85mph swing speeds... :)                             Date: 28 Oct 2006 14:44:53 From: Sparky Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 26-Oct-2006, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote: > you assholes with fast twitch wrist muscles really piss me off. The rest > of us old fucks deal with our 85mph swing speeds... > :) Here's a hint.... If you're actually using any muscles around your wrist, you're doing it wrong... me                             Date: 27 Oct 2006 07:54:56 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message news:r4f0h.73$ka7.16@newsfe04.lga... you assholes with fast twitch wrist muscles really piss me off. The rest of us old fucks deal with our 85mph swing speeds... :) Your welcome :-)                         Date: From: Subject:                         Date: 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH >clubhead speed. When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf game. Current indicators are that will be a wood.                           Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:58:31 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:45:43 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote: >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:00 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >wrote: > >>Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH >>clubhead speed. > >When I am 65 I intend to use the club that works best for my golf >game. Current indicators are that will be a wood. Me too Howard. But the swing that allows me to hit a 1i pretty well makes hitting 3w simple. Hitting such shots is mostly about relaxed confidence--- and confidence comes from training with the most difficult clubs. Larry                         Date: 26 Oct 2006 23:30:21 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <7rg2k2lfa1mr8plvhc5hffm8lqti5ov6pk@4ax.com >, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:08:29 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" > <kevindtimm@comcast.net> wrote: > > >Sparky wrote: > >> > >> On 25-Oct-2006, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Rob Davis wrote: > >> > > > In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a > >> > > 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. > >> > > > >> > And who wouldn´t brag about that? F > >> > >> That's a bit short for a 1 iron... > >> > >> me > > > >I agree; I consider that short for my 3 iron. > > Lets hear how far you hit your 1i when you're 65 and have a 95 MPH > clubhead speed. > > larry All I know is that however far you claim you can hit you're 1i, I'll it my 4i by you. -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 10:58:37 From: Kenn Smith Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie What I fail to understand about this thread is why would a 65 year old golfer even have a 1 iron in his bag. If you want to check the bags of the Champions Tour players, younger and more capable than Larry, you won't find a 1 iron in any of them. You might find two or three hybrids per bag but there are few, if any, 1 and 2 irons to be found. When I was in my 50's I carried 1 nd 2 irons and played them reasonably well. Late 50's the 1 iron hit the storage bin, could no longer generate the hand speed to make it an effective club. Early 60's the 2 iron joined it. At 74 the three iron, and sometimes the 4, keep them company; hybrids and high lofted fairway woods get the job done for me. Actually, I wouldn't mind playing a 65 or older player who counted a 1 iron as one of his 14 clubs because I get a strong sense of macho in that. Macho doesn't win golf matches.                   Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:33:54 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Kenn Smith" <grizzledbear@webtv.net > wrote in message news:20546-453F89AD-63@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net... > What I fail to understand about this thread is why would a 65 year old > golfer even have a 1 iron in his bag. Well first it's not really a 1 iron - he probably just flat out lied about that. If it is, he's just bragging and being macho by implying that he owns one and can hit it.                   Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:17:51 From: Rob Davis Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie The reason it makes no sense to you is because you actually care about playing the game of golf. Larry doesn't ... in fact he's stated on several occasions he finds it "boring" and isn't really all that interested in being a golfer. What he's really interested in IMHO is bragging ... bragging about how much he knows, how good his swing is, how quickly he's gotten good at golf, how low his scores and handicap are, how much money he has, how st he is, how much better his course/club is. In that context ... it makes perfect sense to brag about hitting a 1-iron 230 yds and dead straight "every" time. Rob Kenn Smith wrote: > What I fail to understand about this thread is why would a 65 year old > golfer even have a 1 iron in his bag. If you want to check the bags of > the Champions Tour players, younger and more capable than Larry, you > won't find a 1 iron in any of them. You might find two or three hybrids > per bag but there are few, if any, 1 and 2 irons to be found. > > When I was in my 50's I carried 1 nd 2 irons and played them reasonably > well. Late 50's the 1 iron hit the storage bin, could no longer > generate the hand speed to make it an effective club. Early 60's the 2 > iron joined it. At 74 the three iron, and sometimes the 4, keep them > company; hybrids and high lofted fairway woods get the job done for me. > Actually, I wouldn't mind playing a 65 or older player who counted a 1 > iron as one of his 14 clubs because I get a strong sense of macho in > that. Macho doesn't win golf matches. >                   Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:14:35 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:58:37 -0500, grizzledbear@webtv.net (Kenn Smith) wrote: <clip > >When I was in my 50's I carried 1 nd 2 irons and played them reasonably >well. Late 50's the 1 iron hit the storage bin, could no longer >generate the hand speed to make it an effective club. Early 60's the 2 >iron joined it. At 74 the three iron, and sometimes the 4, keep them >company; hybrids and high lofted fairway woods get the job done for me. >Actually, I wouldn't mind playing a 65 or older player who counted a 1 >iron as one of his 14 clubs because I get a strong sense of macho in >that. Macho doesn't win golf matches. I used my one iron until three years ago, at 67. Then the back and knee problems...and age...began to set in. I still carry the three, but find myself using it less and less. The 21 and 18 degree rescues are becoming the long fairway clubs for me. I would now consider carrying a one iron only for use in long punch shots under trees, etc. Funny how once in a while the swing speed, or maybe it's just finding the sweet spot, happens. Last week I had a 155 yard shot to a pin, which has become a smooth five iron for me. I carried it 25 yards past the pin. Now if I could only get that feeling back with every swing! ___, \o             Date: 25 Oct 2006 12:09:19 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:02:39 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote: >I'm not even convinced >that the author owns a 1 iron; I can't imagine why he'd want to (I don't >want one, and I'd guess I'd know more what to do with it than the average >bear). His stated reason makes sense - that learning to hit a 1-Iron is sort of like learning to hit a Whippy. Using them on the range can be useful in getting a better swing. My personal experience on the range with a 2I show that my LW is better at showing my swing faults. But I don't pretend that my weaknesses and needs are everybody's.           Date: 24 Oct 2006 20:38:26 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Douglas Siebert" <dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net > wrote in message news:ehml2q$2a3$2@narsil.avalon.net... > > Heh. You might have also pointed out to him that anyone who can hit a "1 > iron off a tight lie 230+ 9 out of 10 times" will almost NEVER have a 3 > iron into the green, at least not on any par 4s. The only time I have a > 3 iron to a par 4, even those newfangled ones that are nearly 500 yards, > is if its into a stiff wind or I hit a bad drive. > > If Larry's using a 3 iron "quite often" he doesn't have a swing speed > capable of hitting a 1 iron 230+ from any lie. > > -- > Douglas Siebert dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net The average par 4 at Larry's club is 365. Why is he ever hitting an approach longer than a 9 iron?             Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:41:34 From: Steven Paul Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <453edc39$0$3571$815e3792@news.qwest.net >, glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote: > The average par 4 at Larry's club is 365. > Why is he ever hitting an approach longer than a 9 iron? As much as I'm not keen on defending Larry, not every par four is an automatic driver. My course is shorter than his, and there's one par four in particular where I hit five wood, five wood. However, I still don't believe he can hit 230 yard irons :-)   Date: 19 Oct 2006 17:36:33 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence > on the course. > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886     Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:21:01 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 17:36:33 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: >> BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >> lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >> on the course. >> >> So lets all post our one-iron swings! > >What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: > >http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886 I am not impressed. Your low scores are all "away" and include no tournaments. Did those low scores include "gimmie" putts? Did you kick it out from behind trees? Did you improve your lies? We'll never know will we? Play santioned USGA tournaments and we will know how you can really play, otherwise we are probably looking at another outrageous "vanity" handicap. Post your one-iron swing. Larry       Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:51:07 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:rjthj21mogq7io1fs2ocjm4eqv943r3el4@4ax.com... > I am not impressed. Your low scores are all "away" and include no > tournaments. Did those low scores include "gimmie" putts? Did you > kick it out from behind trees? Did you improve your lies? We'll > never know will we? Play santioned USGA tournaments and we will know > how you can really play, otherwise we are probably looking at another > outrageous "vanity" handicap. > > Post your one-iron swing. What a complete cluster-fuck you are.       Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:24:40 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 19 Oct 2006 17:36:33 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>> BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >>> lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >>> on the course. >>> >>> So lets all post our one-iron swings! >> What's the point? I'd rather post a link to my handicap: >> >> http://www.gam.org/handicap/viewhandicap.asp?gam=10430886 > > I am not impressed. Your low scores are all "away" and include no > tournaments. Did those low scores include "gimmie" putts? Did you > kick it out from behind trees? Did you improve your lies? We'll > never know will we? Play santioned USGA tournaments and we will know > how you can really play, otherwise we are probably looking at another > outrageous "vanity" handicap. Didn't someone say we tend to see our own faults in others? > Post your one-iron swing. As other have said, was that a PW or a 1-Iron? > Larry   Date: 19 Oct 2006 16:21:16 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Carbon wrote: > > Post your one-iron swing. > > Bret could whip your sorry ass blindfolded. Also see: "5-iron", "turn flips", and "one-legged" Now if I had to play Larry blindfolded, with a 5-iron up my butt and turning flips using just one leg ..... it might be a pretty good match.     Date: 19 Oct 2006 22:58:57 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie annika1980 wrote: > Carbon wrote: >>> Post your one-iron swing. >> Bret could whip your sorry ass blindfolded. > > Also see: "5-iron", "turn flips", and "one-legged" > > Now if I had to play Larry blindfolded, with a 5-iron up my butt and > turning flips using just one leg ..... it might be a pretty good match. > Speaking of a 5-iron's where have old fivie been lately?   Date: 19 Oct 2006 16:19:21 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: >> > Post your one-iron swing. I think I still have one around here somewhere so maybe I will. You know, Larry, if you hit the ball more than 200 yards off the tee maybe you wouldn't need a 1-iron.   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:51:36 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Bobby Knight wrote: >> I've seen videos of his swing, which is not enviable, but is a > negative. You are of course a hacker like me, but you know very well that even an ugly swing can produce a good shot and an excellent score. Jim Furyk, Eamonn Darcy, Lee Trevino, k James - it=B4s a long list really. F   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:27:53 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Bobby Knight wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:03:01 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > wrote: > > > >>ROFLMAO! > > > >Whatever you think that means--what it means to me is that you are > >insanely jealous-- and/or simply insane. > > > >Post your One Iron swing fat boy. Put up or shut up. > > > >Larry (KING of RSG) > > Listen LLLLarry King, I have more sense than to post my swing and brag > about it. I'm an amateur...just like you. The difference is that I > know the difference. > > How could anyone be jealous of another of your fantasies? The swing > is poor, and believing the distance you claim is beyond reason. You're > pathetic if there is any pride in the videos that you've posted here > and on You Tube. > > You've had another fifteen minutes of fame...actually infamy. > > ROFLMAO > -- > ___, > \o >     Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:35:40 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 11:27:53 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: >At your age you shouldn´t poison your days with bitterness, negative >thoughts and envy. Can´t see why you should doubt Larry´s handicap. I >have many friends who are more talented than I am, and they became very >good golfers in a very short time - I see no reason why talented >Americans should not been able to do the same. F I've seen videos of his swing, which is not enviable, but is a negative. ___, \o   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:26:03 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 19 Oct 2006 11:00:15 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >>> I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. > >> > >Ideal? You are supposed to play the ball forward and sweep it with a > >one iron, isn=B4t it - no divots....... F > > We should hit slightly "down" with all irons, even the 1i. That > clubhead path imparts backspin to the ball and that spin is what makes > it fly at least 50 yards farther than it would without the spin. > Tight lies don't have any grass, so I always sweep the ball off tight lies. Hitting down on the ball requires contact with the ground, and it just ain't worth it. I have a 1I too. It lives in the garage. I can hit a ball 250 easy with the 1I off a tight lie too...I just can't do it on a golf course. It is really important to me to sweep the ball for the 250+ 1I shot as contact with the pavement not only damages the club, it damages me!!!   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:14:18 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > Actually I consider myself late. I should have been an 8 handicap > after my first year. A friend of mine took up golf at fifty and now, 7 years later, he is a 7,5 handicapper, which in your country would probably translate to ca 9. But he has a huge talent - he was good tennis player and is good all-around athlete, lean and strong, and with the right temper. The right stuff, really. F     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:51:55 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 11:14:18 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> Actually I consider myself late. I should have been an 8 handicap >> after my first year. >A friend of mine took up golf at fifty and now, 7 years later, he is a >7,5 handicapper, which in your country would probably translate to ca >9. But he has a huge talent - he was good tennis player and is good >all-around athlete, lean and strong, and with the right temper. The >right stuff, really. F I was (am) a good tennis player but nobody calls me "lean," ha. Larry       Date: 19 Oct 2006 20:23:21 From: Alan Murphy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:79ifj2ptt526p195kq7u0rb2bh5qsb913f@4ax.com... > On 19 Oct 2006 11:14:18 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>larry wrote: >>> Actually I consider myself late. I should have been an 8 handicap >>> after my first year. >>A friend of mine took up golf at fifty and now, 7 years later, he is a >>7,5 handicapper, which in your country would probably translate to ca >>9. But he has a huge talent - he was good tennis player and is good >>all-around athlete, lean and strong, and with the right temper. The >>right stuff, really. F > > I was (am) a good tennis player but nobody calls me "lean," ha. > > Larry Hey Crazy Larry and Fairway. Why don't you two get a room and leave us alone. Alan   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:07:16 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie greenkeeper wrote: > Which club do you play at? 6 18 hole courses? > We own two 18-holes courses, one 9-holes course and one par 3. We are adding 9 holes to one of our 18-holes course any time soon, so it will be 3 * 9 really, not so unusual in Europe - a whole round will be composed of any 2 * 9. In addition we have contracts with 4 other clubs which gives us the right to play their courses when we want to. In return they get a lump sum each year plus technical assistance. F   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:00:15 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: >> I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. > Ideal? You are supposed to play the ball forward and sweep it with a one iron, isn=B4t it - no divots....... F     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:13:11 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 11:00:15 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >>> I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. >> >Ideal? You are supposed to play the ball forward and sweep it with a >one iron, isn´t it - no divots....... F We should hit slightly "down" with all irons, even the 1i. That clubhead path imparts backspin to the ball and that spin is what makes it fly at least 50 yards farther than it would without the spin. Larry       Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:53:31 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:avffj2599r0g6upuad95001u6ssaeemm83@4ax.com... > > We should hit slightly "down" with all irons, even the 1i. That > clubhead path imparts backspin to the ball The loft of the club imparts backspin, idiot   Date: 19 Oct 2006 18:54:53 From: greenkeeper Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie >On 19 Oct 2006 10:22:27 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>larry wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >>> >>> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >>> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >>> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >>> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >>> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >>> >>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >>> other club is a piece of cake. >>> >>> Larry >>Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >>only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >>that this is an unbelievable achivement. You must have a tremendous >>talent. If you ever travel to Europe send my an email and perhaps we >>can take a round at my club - we actually have six 18 holes courses to >>choose from. F > Which club do you play at? 6 18 hole courses? http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/55160375 -- alan   Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:51:55 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! > Sorry pal, never used a one-iron in all my not so illustrious career. F   Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:46:26 From: cja Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Fairway wrote: > Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you=B4ve > only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say > that this is an unbelievable achivement. > Fairway, my friend, you hit the nail on the head: _unbelievable_. > You must have a tremendous talent. > As Larry would say, "Ha". - cja     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:09:20 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 10:46:26 -0700, "cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote: >Fairway wrote: > >> Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >> only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >> that this is an unbelievable achivement. >> >Fairway, my friend, you hit the nail on the head: _unbelievable_. > >> You must have a tremendous talent. I am not 'talented." I do work at golf. I have unlimited access to a great practice facility and this is Southern California weather. I practice nearly every afternoon for at least 2 hours--half on short game. I have become "deadly" with a wedge and a decent putter Anybody could do it with the same advantages. larry     Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:08:02 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 10:46:26 -0700, "cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote: >Fairway wrote: > >> Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >> only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >> that this is an unbelievable achivement. >> >Fairway, my friend, you hit the nail on the head: _unbelievable_. > >> You must have a tremendous talent. >> >As Larry would say, "Ha". > > - cja Actually, LLLLlarry got exactly what he wanted out of his post, and video; attention that he so desperately needs. Even if it is all negative. Well, except for the lone post from another sad case. It should be embarrassing to him that he would show that swing, with the attendant boast. He has absolutely no pride. -- ___, \o   Date: 19 Oct 2006 17:40:07 From: Frankie Mc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:02:32 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >shoulder. Gary Player was right. > >When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >other club is a piece of cake. > >Larry Need a Bible and a bottle of Irish in my pocket to attemt to hit my one iron.Been in the shed for a year, used twice, no more and it's a rescue club in it's place.     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:05:16 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:40:07 GMT, Frankie McMurtry@tiscali.co.uk (Frankie Mc) wrote: >On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:02:32 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >wrote: > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >>Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >>accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >>one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >>The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >>shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >>When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >>other club is a piece of cake. >> >>Larry >Need a Bible and a bottle of Irish in my pocket to attemt to hit my >one iron.Been in the shed for a year, used twice, no more and it's a >rescue club in it's place. My teacher had me swing it with my eyes closed-- and that convinced me that my ONLY problem was failure to keep the clubhead accelerating-- and unnecessary hand action. Just swing it in one big swoosh, dead hands, and the ball will take off like it was hit with a driver. Larry       Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:59:40 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:gfffj21nvnjr72c0fu5u3146iu42pne31h@4ax.com... > Just swing it in one big swoosh, dead > hands, and the ball will take off like it was hit with a driver. Now THAT I believe. LOL   Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:37:14 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Bobby Knight wrote: > ROFLMAO! Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off - right? Happy to brighten your day. F   Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:22:27 From: Fairway Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbrGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you=B4ve only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say that this is an unbelievable achivement. You must have a tremendous talent. If you ever travel to Europe send my an email and perhaps we can take a round at my club - we actually have six 18 holes courses to choose from. F     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:01:31 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 10:22:27 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry >Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >that this is an unbelievable achivement. You must have a tremendous >talent. If you ever travel to Europe send my an email and perhaps we >can take a round at my club - we actually have six 18 holes courses to >choose from. F Thanks Fairway, Actually I consider myself late. I should have been an 8 handicap after my first year. I started with STC but didn't stick with it-- while getting totally screwed up doing video lessons, SLAP and other position analysis stuff. I became the poster boy for "paralysis by analysis." I could score because I worked hours every day on my short game. I came back to STC this year and have only recently realized that acceleration of the clubhead through the ball and beyond is about 99% of the golf swing. Doing that takes care of all the stuff people worry about-- I guarantee that if the toe of your club is pointing up when your arms and the shaft are extended toward the target during your follow-through, you did everything right! You did not decelerate and I would bet the ball is going toward the target!!! There is simply no need to think of body parts or any detail "behind" us. Just focus on finishing your swing and accelerating that clubhead through the ball, make a LONG divot after the ball. Larry     Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:26:50 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 10:22:27 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry >Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >that this is an unbelievable achivement. You must have a tremendous >talent. If you ever travel to Europe send my an email and perhaps we >can take a round at my club - we actually have six 18 holes courses to >choose from. F ROFLMAO!       Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:03:01 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:26:50 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: >On 19 Oct 2006 10:22:27 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>larry wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >>> >>> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >>> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >>> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >>> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >>> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >>> >>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >>> other club is a piece of cake. >>> >>> Larry >>Congratulations with your swing. I read in the commentary that you´ve >>only played golf for 5 years and already you have 8 hdc. I must say >>that this is an unbelievable achivement. You must have a tremendous >>talent. If you ever travel to Europe send my an email and perhaps we >>can take a round at my club - we actually have six 18 holes courses to >>choose from. F > >ROFLMAO! Whatever you think that means--what it means to me is that you are insanely jealous-- and/or simply insane. Post your One Iron swing fat boy. Put up or shut up. Larry (KING of RSG)         Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:16:24 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:03:01 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >>ROFLMAO! > >Whatever you think that means--what it means to me is that you are >insanely jealous-- and/or simply insane. > >Post your One Iron swing fat boy. Put up or shut up. > >Larry (KING of RSG) Listen LLLLarry King, I have more sense than to post my swing and brag about it. I'm an amateur...just like you. The difference is that I know the difference. How could anyone be jealous of another of your fantasies? The swing is poor, and believing the distance you claim is beyond reason. You're pathetic if there is any pride in the videos that you've posted here and on You Tube. You've had another fifteen minutes of fame...actually infamy. ROFLMAO -- ___, \o   Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:05:30 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. Two things stand out: 1. The ball is sitting as if on a tee. You can almost see underneath it. 2. If the ball went 230+ with that swing you got at least 60 yards of roll. I'd estimate your swing speed with that club at well below 90mph. You'd be hard pressed to get 230+ out of a driver with that move. Tell you what ... the next time I play with Sparky I'll bring my camcorder. Then you'll see what a 230+ iron swing really looks like. Sparky hits a low, boring trajectory but he usually flies it 30 yards past where my drives end up. And I'm longer than you. Almost as long as Bellomy, in fact.     Date: 19 Oct 2006 19:18:05 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: : Sparky hits a low, boring trajectory but he usually flies it 30 yards : past where my drives end up. And I'm longer than you. : : Almost as long as Bellomy, in fact. Almost. -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/     Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:54:59 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 10:05:30 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > >Two things stand out: > >1. The ball is sitting as if on a tee. You can almost see underneath >it. > >2. If the ball went 230+ with that swing you got at least 60 yards of >roll. >I'd estimate your swing speed with that club at well below 90mph. >You'd be hard pressed to get 230+ out of a driver with that move. > >Tell you what ... the next time I play with Sparky I'll bring my >camcorder. >Then you'll see what a 230+ iron swing really looks like. > >Sparky hits a low, boring trajectory but he usually flies it 30 yards >past where my drives end up. And I'm longer than you. > >Almost as long as Bellomy, in fact. Post your one-iron swing. Larry       Date: From: Subject:   Date: 19 Oct 2006 09:49:03 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Alan Baker wrote: > In article <cccdj2pokp2o0osrmfdkn2s5v0ll31bdef@4ax.com>, > larry <larry@deldata.com> wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > > other club is a piece of cake. > > > > Larry > > A couple of questions: > > How many swings did it take you? > > How much was carry, how much was roll? Driving ranges aren't golf > courses. > And how do we know it's not a shill? CJ > -- > 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' > "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' > (Edwin on Mac OS X) > > '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- > 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the > IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)   Date: 19 Oct 2006 16:45:28 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <cccdj2pokp2o0osrmfdkn2s5v0ll31bdef@4ax.com >, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry A couple of questions: How many swings did it take you? How much was carry, how much was roll? Driving ranges aren't golf courses. -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)   Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:36:26 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote ... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry Having recently put my own swing up for others to take their pot shots at and finding out first-hand what that entails, I've at least got to hand it to you for having the balls to post this. I still like my swing better, even with its many imperfections. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-cdLs1BN-0 Randy     Date: 23 Oct 2006 13:09:50 From: cja Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie glfnaz wrote: > > .... > > Not particularly relevant to the discussion at hand, just an anecdote > > to remind us that it's a small world. > > - cja > > Not relevant?!? > Shit, It's about how Littler doesn't talk to an annoying guy!. > > CJA, please meet LLLarrryyy. > Good point :-)     Date: 23 Oct 2006 12:39:05 From: cja Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in > the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- > but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid > his swing of hand action- > That's an amusing image. Silent Gene playing along with amateurs. Amateur asks, "What about my hands, Mr. Littler?". Gene stops, proclaims, "No Role!", then Silent Gene returns. In the mid '70s I caddied in a pro-am where Gene Littler was the pro in our group. That was a long time ago, so I don't remember much. What I do remember is that one of the ams was kind of an annoying guy, not surprising, and was continually trying to get advice on club selection. Littler didn't seem that jovial to start with, definitely not inclined to pay attention to or discuss the amateur's golf games. Not rude, exactly, just a little quieter than the ams had hoped for. He finally had to shut this guy up by just telling him he couldn't select clubs for him. Not particularly relevant to the discussion at hand, just an anecdote to remind us that it's a small world. - cja       Date: 23 Oct 2006 12:47:56 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote in message news:1161632345.428520.154090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > larry wrote: > >> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >> the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >> but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >> his swing of hand action- >> > That's an amusing image. Silent Gene playing along with amateurs. > Amateur asks, "What about my hands, Mr. Littler?". Gene stops, > proclaims, "No Role!", then Silent Gene returns. > > In the mid '70s I caddied in a pro-am where Gene Littler was the pro in > our group. That was a long time ago, so I don't remember much. What I > do remember is that one of the ams was kind of an annoying guy, not > surprising, and was continually trying to get advice on club selection. > Littler didn't seem that jovial to start with, definitely not inclined > to pay attention to or discuss the amateur's golf games. Not rude, > exactly, just a little quieter than the ams had hoped for. He finally > had to shut this guy up by just telling him he couldn't select clubs > for him. > > Not particularly relevant to the discussion at hand, just an anecdote > to remind us that it's a small world. > > - cja Not relevant?!? Shit, It's about how Littler doesn't talk to an annoying guy!. CJA, please meet LLLarrryyy. >     Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:53:41 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:36:26 -0400, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote ... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry > > >Having recently put my own swing up for others to take their pot shots at >and finding out first-hand what that entails, I've at least got to hand it >to you for having the balls to post this. > >I still like my swing better, even with its many imperfections. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-cdLs1BN-0 > >Randy You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more before it reaches the ball. I suggest you focus your entire attention on keeping the clubhead accelerating all the way over your left shoulder. Momentum should carry your arms over your shoulder, you should find yourself in the classic finish. You will hit it cleaner, be able to make a long divot AFTER the ball position, and it will go MUCH straighter as well as farther. Larry       Date: 23 Oct 2006 14:52:48 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Bobby Knight wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > wrote: > > > >The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top > >level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet > >suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would > >listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in > >the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- > >but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid > >his swing of hand action- > > > >Larry > > That simply is a major overstatement. You can't say what the best > instruction that everyone can get, just as you can't say that better > players are better teachers. > > Your penchant for ridiculous comments grows with every post. You see > nothing but black and white, and obviously believe that your opinions > aren't such, but are facts. > > Others' opinions are all wrong in your eyes, and your self-importance > is manifest. Take a remedial course in humility. Larry reminds me of a guy who was on an astrophysics forum I liked to visit. He'd argue and argue with everyone that the Big Bang never happened. It was obvious to him that everyone was completely wrong and he was right, no matter what proof was brough before him.         Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:10:48 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 23 Oct 2006 14:52:48 -0700, "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote: > >Bobby Knight wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >> >level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >> >suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >> >listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >> >the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >> >but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >> >his swing of hand action- >> > >> >Larry >> >> That simply is a major overstatement. You can't say what the best >> instruction that everyone can get, just as you can't say that better >> players are better teachers. >> >> Your penchant for ridiculous comments grows with every post. You see >> nothing but black and white, and obviously believe that your opinions >> aren't such, but are facts. >> >> Others' opinions are all wrong in your eyes, and your self-importance >> is manifest. Take a remedial course in humility. > >Larry reminds me of a guy who was on an astrophysics forum I liked to >visit. He'd argue and argue with everyone that the Big Bang never >happened. It was obvious to him that everyone was completely wrong and >he was right, no matter what proof was brough before him. Except that Larry started playing golf at age 60--and 5 years later was a solid tournament 8 handicapper. He must be doing something right. larry (KING of RSG)           Date: 24 Oct 2006 00:58:39 From: Carbon Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:10:48 -0700, larry wrote: > Except that Larry started playing golf at age 60--and 5 years later > was a solid tournament 8 handicapper. He must be doing something > right. I'll take "what is lying about his handicap" for $1000, Alex.           Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:51:18 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:ndmqj252rtoa0odj14pdlo4ccq2kgtd5n0@4ax.com... > Except that Larry started playing golf at age 60--and 5 years later > was a solid tournament 8 handicapper. He must be doing something > right. 'The Larry' should prove it       Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:55:07 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >> >>I still like my swing better, even with its many imperfections. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-cdLs1BN-0 >> >>Randy > > You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more > before it reaches the ball. No he's not, you idiot.       Date: 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... > You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more > before it reaches the ball. Randy is not Decelerating         Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:28:16 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >> before it reaches the ball. > >Randy is not Decelerating Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. Larry           Date: 20 Oct 2006 17:42:21 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:v3uhj2l9r2198hobsskprti0snqh352up3@4ax.com... > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" > <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: > >>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>> before it reaches the ball. >> >>Randy is not Decelerating > > Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than > useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of > other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing > well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference > between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. > > Larry You don't, either, by the way. But you sure think you do. Randy             Date: 20 Oct 2006 19:02:58 From: A Brick in the Wall Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message news:gqydnWVGBMAu36TYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com... > "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > news:v3uhj2l9r2198hobsskprti0snqh352up3@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" >> <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>>news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>>> before it reaches the ball. >>> >>>Randy is not Decelerating >> >> Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than >> useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of >> other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing >> well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference >> between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. >> >> Larry > > > You don't, either, by the way. But you sure think you do. > That's going to leave a k on larry.... Probably will look just like the door he walked into with his comments. > Randy >               Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:03:05 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:02:58 -0400, "A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote: > >""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message >news:gqydnWVGBMAu36TYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com... >> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> news:v3uhj2l9r2198hobsskprti0snqh352up3@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:23:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" >>> <maamold@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>>>news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>>>> before it reaches the ball. >>>> >>>>Randy is not Decelerating >>> >>> Which illustrates my point made months ago-- that it is worse than >>> useless for most amateurs to look at your own swing or the swngs of >>> other amateurs or pros. You simply don't understand the golf swing >>> well enough to know what to look for... you don't know the difference >>> between trivia and a fault that will always create inconsistency. >>> >>> Larry >> >> >> You don't, either, by the way. But you sure think you do. >> > >That's going to leave a k on larry.... Probably will look just like the >door he walked into with his comments. I agree with Ernest Jones in this regard-- that there is essentially nothing useful to learn by looking at the video of our or others's swings. My teacher doesn't use video and strongly advises against use of it for swing analysis. He says video swing analysis by amateurs, especially of their own swing, nearly aways does FAR more harm than good. They always focus on trivia and then destroy their natural swing while trying to fix it directly, forgetting to swing while working on their hips or something. He says the ball flight, the divot, and the follow through are all we need to know. I knew you decelerated because momentum didn't carry you to a full classic finish. That is not inconsistent because if I were watching you on the range I wouldn't have needed to analyze a video of your swing to see that you didn't finish your swing-- and thus probably decelerated. We avoid deceleration by focusing on a swing thought that makes us keep the clubhead going LONG after impact-- exactly as Karate students are taught to "hit through" an object instead of focusing on the object itself. Larry                 Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:34:29 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:muspj2hf24easnrj0lgg57pv09j2ja3lqm@4ax.com... > I agree with Ernest Jones in this regard-- that there is essentially > nothing useful to learn by looking at the video of our or others's > swings. > Larry Ernest Jones was dead when Video began to be used. How could he have said that?         Date: 20 Oct 2006 01:46:41 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com > wrote in message news:K-idncRFy9Ch0qXYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com... > "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >> before it reaches the ball. > > Randy is not Decelerating Degenerating, perhaps. Randy PS - For the record, I've already made a few swing changes since that video was shot several weeks ago. If I ever feel ambitious enough to take the two cammies out again, I'll update the video.           Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:16:27 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On 23 Oct 2006 14:52:48 -0700, "Indiana_John" <bigpufan@aol.com> > wrote: > > > > >Bobby Knight wrote: > >> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> >The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top > >> >level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet > >> >suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would > >> >listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in > >> >the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- > >> >but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid > >> >his swing of hand action- > >> > > >> >Larry > >> > >> That simply is a major overstatement. You can't say what the best > >> instruction that everyone can get, just as you can't say that better > >> players are better teachers. > >> > >> Your penchant for ridiculous comments grows with every post. You see > >> nothing but black and white, and obviously believe that your opinions > >> aren't such, but are facts. > >> > >> Others' opinions are all wrong in your eyes, and your self-importance > >> is manifest. Take a remedial course in humility. > > > >Larry reminds me of a guy who was on an astrophysics forum I liked to > >visit. He'd argue and argue with everyone that the Big Bang never > >happened. It was obvious to him that everyone was completely wrong and > >he was right, no matter what proof was brough before him. > > Except that Larry started playing golf at age 60--and 5 years later > was a solid tournament 8 handicapper. He must be doing something > right. > > larry (KING of RSG) Big whoop. I was a less than an 8 two years after I started playing and I didn't know crap about the swing. Do you really think your game is an astonishing feat?           Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:33:22 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:46:41 -0400, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: >"Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:K-idncRFy9Ch0qXYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>> before it reaches the ball. >> >> Randy is not Decelerating > > >Degenerating, perhaps. > >Randy > >PS - For the record, I've already made a few swing changes since that video >was shot several weeks ago. If I ever feel ambitious enough to take the two >cammies out again, I'll update the video. Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish position. Larry             Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:56:36 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... > > Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of > course. Of course. Al the pros who hit fades or draws decelerate. Everyone knows that.             Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:55:57 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... > > Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration You just have to be trolling. No one can be this stupid. (Can they?)             Date: 20 Oct 2006 19:25:24 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... > Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of > course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating > clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you > "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly > on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position > toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum > of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish > position. > > Larry Larry where did ANYONE say ANYTHING about a turning ball-flight. And cite where decelerating the clubhead resilts in more sidespin               Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:19:01 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:25:24 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... >> Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of >> course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating >> clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you >> "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly >> on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position >> toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum >> of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish >> position. >> >> Larry > >Larry where did ANYONE say ANYTHING about a turning ball-flight. And cite >where decelerating the clubhead resilts in more sidespin No, but we all know what happens. A decelerating clubhead often causes unpredictable and erratic ball flight in addition to fat or thin contact. When you hit off your back leg, the clubhead path is out-to-in if you play the ball in the middle or forward in your stance. The only way you can propel the ball straight is to quickly manipulate the clubhead open-- that timing WILL be erratic. You will play the treeline and OB. larry             Date: 20 Oct 2006 17:41:45 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:46:41 -0400, "\"R&B\"" > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: > >>"Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:K-idncRFy9Ch0qXYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>> news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>>> before it reaches the ball. >>> >>> Randy is not Decelerating >> >> >>Degenerating, perhaps. >> >>Randy >> >>PS - For the record, I've already made a few swing changes since that >>video >>was shot several weeks ago. If I ever feel ambitious enough to take the >>two >>cammies out again, I'll update the video. > > Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of > course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating > clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you > "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly > on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position > toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum > of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish > position. > > Larry For what it's worth, on all the shots I put on that video, every shot went straight (or with a slight draw, which is my normal ball flight). I'm actually, in general, a pretty straight hitter. Just not very long. Never have been. But long enough to really piss off my opponents, because I can usually chip and putt them to death. I have always tended to score a whole lot better than my swing would lead you to believe I might. Two key swing changes I've been working on in the weeks since shooting that video: 1. Getting my left arm and club shaft in a straighter line (hands ahead, not behind at address, as they were in the video even with shorter irons). 2. Hands higher at address. I'd gone back to a "lower hands" position a few months back, more like I used to play back in the late '90s when I was a legit single-digit (and actually shot one round under par, my career low, a 1-under-par 70). Problem with this lower-hands position (for me, anyway) is that it feels very unnatural, and invites too many fat shots. Interestingly, this past weekend when I went back to a more neutral (height) hands position, I started killing the ball again (no doubt partly because of Item 1 also beginning to gel in tandem with this change), partly because I feel much less "bound up" at address. I think the swing is freer now. It feels that way, anyway. Interestingly, since shooting that video, a couple of other "wild cards" have been thrown into the deck. First, I've been sick a couple of times, so it's been hard for me to play as well as I'd like, or with as much regularity as I'd like. I'm still fighting off the crud right now, but I'll probably be out there chasing the little white ball around again this weekend. Secondly, I've gone through a couple of "new equipment" changes, getting used to new clubs...twice. (Long story, you might have read about it in earlier threads, but maybe not.) There's no getting around the fact that any change like that can change the dynamics....even if only between the ears. Randy               Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:49:39 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:41:45 -0400, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:46:41 -0400, "\"R&B\"" >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: >> >>>"Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:K-idncRFy9Ch0qXYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>>>> before it reaches the ball. >>>> >>>> Randy is not Decelerating >>> >>> >>>Degenerating, perhaps. >>> >>>Randy >>> >>>PS - For the record, I've already made a few swing changes since that >>>video >>>was shot several weeks ago. If I ever feel ambitious enough to take the >>>two >>>cammies out again, I'll update the video. >> >> Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of >> course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating >> clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you >> "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly >> on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position >> toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum >> of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish >> position. >> >> Larry > >For what it's worth, on all the shots I put on that video, every shot went >straight (or with a slight draw, which is my normal ball flight). I'm >actually, in general, a pretty straight hitter. Just not very long. Never >have been. But long enough to really piss off my opponents, because I can >usually chip and putt them to death. I have always tended to score a whole >lot better than my swing would lead you to believe I might. > >Two key swing changes I've been working on in the weeks since shooting that >video: > >1. Getting my left arm and club shaft in a straighter line (hands ahead, >not behind at address, as they were in the video even with shorter irons). > >2. Hands higher at address. I'd gone back to a "lower hands" position a >few months back, more like I used to play back in the late '90s when I was a >legit single-digit (and actually shot one round under par, my career low, a >1-under-par 70). Problem with this lower-hands position (for me, anyway) is >that it feels very unnatural, and invites too many fat shots. >Interestingly, this past weekend when I went back to a more neutral (height) >hands position, I started killing the ball again (no doubt partly because of >Item 1 also beginning to gel in tandem with this change), partly because I >feel much less "bound up" at address. I think the swing is freer now. It >feels that way, anyway. > >Interestingly, since shooting that video, a couple of other "wild cards" >have been thrown into the deck. First, I've been sick a couple of times, so >it's been hard for me to play as well as I'd like, or with as much >regularity as I'd like. I'm still fighting off the crud right now, but I'll >probably be out there chasing the little white ball around again this >weekend. Secondly, I've gone through a couple of "new equipment" changes, >getting used to new clubs...twice. (Long story, you might have read about >it in earlier threads, but maybe not.) There's no getting around the fact >that any change like that can change the dynamics....even if only between >the ears. > >Randy None of that matters-trivial meaningless details. An accelerating golf swing swamps out all that stuff. A good golfer can pick up any club, even cheap trash out of the $1 barrel, and hit it pure. Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. Where we intend to GO creates what we do to get there. You can't make a bad backswing and downswing if you have envisioned a good follow through. Good luck. Larry                 Date: 21 Oct 2006 03:13:20 From: Rob Davis Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead > accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and > all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact > will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you > from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - > undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. > > Larry That's pretty funny since your video shows you've still got a lot of weight on your back foot at impact. How come you don't have "an early front leg post" if you're so good at accelerating through the ball? Rob                   Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:21:56 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:13:20 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote: >larry wrote: >> Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead >> accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and >> all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact >> will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you >> from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - >> undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. >> >> Larry > >That's pretty funny since your video shows you've still got a lot of >weight on your back foot at impact. How come you don't have "an early >front leg post" if you're so good at accelerating through the ball? I am still working on that. Notice that I play the ball just inside my front foot--WAY up there. Every practice session I work to find the swing thought that makes me get forward faster. That swing wasn't perfect, but the ball does go straight--and I didn't throw my arms out of sync or need hand manipulation. Larry                 Date: 20 Oct 2006 21:01:22 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:s3kij2dp3h3otu2ke1i837e1te9f0t8e9a@4ax.com... > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:41:45 -0400, "\"R&B\"" > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: > >>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>news:n9uhj210msce72v3t9p0gbit597f40e5k3@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:46:41 -0400, "\"R&B\"" >>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: >>> >>>>"Matt 'Ocho' Aamold" <maamold@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:K-idncRFy9Ch0qXYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:1mefj2pi9p87qt7kinskif2v18nfjlgplk@4ax.com... >>>>>> You are decelerating. The clubhead has slowed by 20 MPH or more >>>>>> before it reaches the ball. >>>>> >>>>> Randy is not Decelerating >>>> >>>> >>>>Degenerating, perhaps. >>>> >>>>Randy >>>> >>>>PS - For the record, I've already made a few swing changes since that >>>>video >>>>was shot several weeks ago. If I ever feel ambitious enough to take the >>>>two >>>>cammies out again, I'll update the video. >>> >>> Great. Turning ball flight is the best symptom of deceleration, of >>> course. It is difficult to avoid sidespin with a decelerating >>> clubhead, which usually means you pivoted around your back leg, you >>> "lagged back" at least a little. Additionally, if you were properly >>> on your front leg, the divot should extend from the ball position >>> toward or slightly inside the target line--longer is better. Momentum >>> of your swinging arms should carry you to the full classic finish >>> position. >>> >>> Larry >> >>For what it's worth, on all the shots I put on that video, every shot went >>straight (or with a slight draw, which is my normal ball flight). I'm >>actually, in general, a pretty straight hitter. Just not very long. >>Never >>have been. But long enough to really piss off my opponents, because I can >>usually chip and putt them to death. I have always tended to score a >>whole >>lot better than my swing would lead you to believe I might. >> >>Two key swing changes I've been working on in the weeks since shooting >>that >>video: >> >>1. Getting my left arm and club shaft in a straighter line (hands ahead, >>not behind at address, as they were in the video even with shorter irons). >> >>2. Hands higher at address. I'd gone back to a "lower hands" position a >>few months back, more like I used to play back in the late '90s when I was >>a >>legit single-digit (and actually shot one round under par, my career low, >>a >>1-under-par 70). Problem with this lower-hands position (for me, anyway) >>is >>that it feels very unnatural, and invites too many fat shots. >>Interestingly, this past weekend when I went back to a more neutral >>(height) >>hands position, I started killing the ball again (no doubt partly because >>of >>Item 1 also beginning to gel in tandem with this change), partly because I >>feel much less "bound up" at address. I think the swing is freer now. It >>feels that way, anyway. >> >>Interestingly, since shooting that video, a couple of other "wild cards" >>have been thrown into the deck. First, I've been sick a couple of times, >>so >>it's been hard for me to play as well as I'd like, or with as much >>regularity as I'd like. I'm still fighting off the crud right now, but >>I'll >>probably be out there chasing the little white ball around again this >>weekend. Secondly, I've gone through a couple of "new equipment" changes, >>getting used to new clubs...twice. (Long story, you might have read about >>it in earlier threads, but maybe not.) There's no getting around the fact >>that any change like that can change the dynamics....even if only between >>the ears. >> >>Randy > > None of that matters-trivial meaningless details. An accelerating > golf swing swamps out all that stuff. A good golfer can pick up any > club, even cheap trash out of the $1 barrel, and hit it pure. > > Just find a swing thought that makes you keep the clubhead > accelerating AFTER impact, through the ball like it is not there and > all the way over your shoulder. The accelerating club after impact > will PULL you into an early front leg "post" and that will keep you > from expending your wrist cock early, casting and decelerating. - > undoubtedly the cause of your loss of distance. > > Where we intend to GO creates what we do to get there. You can't > make a bad backswing and downswing if you have envisioned a good > follow through. Well, if none of that matters, then every instructor on the planet is wrong and you're right. Any idiot knows that one's address dictates much about what follows. But I guess you didn't get that memo. You're either the stest guy on the planet. Or the dumbest. (Note to the rest of you: I report. You decide.) Randy                   Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:14:40 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:01:22 -0400, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: > >Well, if none of that matters, then every instructor on the planet is wrong >and you're right. I have had the advantage of talking to and taking lessons from golfers who are or were themselves champion players. I noticed that there is a HUGE difference in the advice you're get from someone who plays competitively--and from someone who only teaches. > >Any idiot knows that one's address dictates much about what follows. > >But I guess you didn't get that memo. > >You're either the stest guy on the planet. Or the dumbest. > >(Note to the rest of you: I report. You decide.) If a lesson from a guy who has never won anything anywhere is worth $50, what is a lesson worth from a guy who won the US Amateur, US Open, 30 PGA Pro tournaments, and who holds the course record at dozens and dozens of championship courses?? $1000? $5000? I tell you what they say and what they actually do and think as they play. You get it free. If you don't take advantage of that, you are a fool. Larry                     Date: From: Subject:                     Date: 23 Oct 2006 12:27:57 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:14:40 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: <clip > >If a lesson from a guy who has never won anything anywhere is worth >$50, what is a lesson worth from a guy who won the US Amateur, US >Open, 30 PGA Pro tournaments, and who holds the course record at >dozens and dozens of championship courses?? $1000? $5000? > >I tell you what they say and what they actually do and think as they >play. You get it free. If you don't take advantage of that, you are >a fool. > >Larry How many Opens, touraments ad course records do Butch Harmon or Hank Haney hold? Being a great player doesn't make one a great teacher. -- ___, \o                       Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:27:57 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:14:40 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >wrote: ><clip> >>If a lesson from a guy who has never won anything anywhere is worth >>$50, what is a lesson worth from a guy who won the US Amateur, US >>Open, 30 PGA Pro tournaments, and who holds the course record at >>dozens and dozens of championship courses?? $1000? $5000? >> >>I tell you what they say and what they actually do and think as they >>play. You get it free. If you don't take advantage of that, you are >>a fool. >> >>Larry > > How many Opens, touraments ad course records do Butch Harmon or Hank >Haney hold? Being a great player doesn't make one a great teacher. Who said either one is a 'great teacher?' I think they say that about themselves-- shameless promoting themselves in order to get more students paying higher fees. The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid his swing of hand action- Larry                         Date: 24 Oct 2006 01:10:16 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >his swing of hand action- Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted.                           Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:02:13 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Howard Brazee wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > wrote: > >> The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >> level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >> suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >> listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >> the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >> but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >> his swing of hand action- > > Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great > coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too > easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. ??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count                             Date: 24 Oct 2006 16:21:46 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie long&left wrote: > > Howard Brazee wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> > > wrote: > > > >> The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top > >> level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet > >> suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would > >> listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in > >> the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- > >> but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid > >> his swing of hand action- > > > > Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great > > coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too > > easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. > > ??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite > where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count I can tell you that the lions share of the professional level athletes that I have known readily admit that they can't teach to save their life. Unless, of course, you're already so close to their level that you may only have one or two faults. Each of them have said (in their own words of course) that when they look at the swing/shot/throw/serve/return of a rank amateur that they can't even begin to guess where they should start.                               Date: 24 Oct 2006 17:38:32 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Kevin D. Timm wrote: > long&left wrote: >> Howard Brazee wrote: >>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >>>> level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >>>> suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >>>> listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>>> the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >>>> but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >>>> his swing of hand action- >>> Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great >>> coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too >>> easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. >> ??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite >> where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count > > I can tell you that the lions share of the professional level athletes > that I have known readily admit that they can't teach to save their > life. Unless, of course, you're already so close to their level that > you may only have one or two faults. Each of them have said (in their > own words of course) that when they look at the > swing/shot/throw/serve/return of a rank amateur that they can't even > begin to guess where they should start. hmmm, exactly the opposite of my experience...but then Tiger did turn down my offer of $150 per hour for lessons :)                                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 09:55:38 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:38:32 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote: >Kevin D. Timm wrote: >> long&left wrote: >>> Howard Brazee wrote: >>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >>>>> level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >>>>> suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >>>>> listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>>>> the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >>>>> but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >>>>> his swing of hand action- >>>> Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great >>>> coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too >>>> easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. >>> ??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite >>> where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count >> >> I can tell you that the lions share of the professional level athletes >> that I have known readily admit that they can't teach to save their >> life. Unless, of course, you're already so close to their level that >> you may only have one or two faults. Each of them have said (in their >> own words of course) that when they look at the >> swing/shot/throw/serve/return of a rank amateur that they can't even >> begin to guess where they should start. > >hmmm, exactly the opposite of my experience...but then Tiger did turn >down my offer of $150 per hour for lessons :) The really good players I have talked to think the golf swing is almost too simple for lessons. A word here and a word there is all that is needed--a little guidance as we teach ourselves to play golf. Gene Littler said the golf swing is so simple that everything important about it could be written on one side of one piece of paper. The problem is that 99.99% of amateurs will not listen to anyone--even golf royalty like former PGA touring pros with dozens and dozens of wins and course records. Larry                             Date: 24 Oct 2006 02:31:18 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:13 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote: >> Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great >> coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too >> easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. > >??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite >where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count I heard it on Sports Talk Radio, for what that's worth.                               Date: 24 Oct 2006 07:30:18 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Howard Brazee wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:13 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com> > wrote: > >>> Have you noticed what percentage of superstars ever become great >>> coaches? One theory is that most of these guys found playing too >>> easy - they don't know how to coach the less gifted. >> ??? Howard, where the hell do you come up with this stuff? Please cite >> where that "one theory" comes from, and your mind doesn't count > > I heard it on Sports Talk Radio, for what that's worth. well, there ya go...case closed :)                         Date: 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:vivpj29hkjjo6b7pd6stoftpltql6jrhpu@4ax.com... > Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in > the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- > but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid > his swing of hand action- > > Larry "There is only one perfect way to strike a golf ball: That is by swinging the clubhead. You swing the clubhead with your hands and fingers. You sense the feel of the swing through your hands and fingers. Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." - Ernest Jones Swing The Clunhead Guru to Larry                           Date: 23 Oct 2006 13:57:16 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote: > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >> the golf swing." <clip> > <clip > >" Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." > >- Ernest Jones > Littler is right, and Jones is wrong. So sayeth Larry, so it is true. -- ___, \o                             Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:04:33 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:57:16 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> >wrote: > >> >>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >>> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>> the golf swing." <clip> > >> ><clip> >>" Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." >> >>- Ernest Jones >> > >Littler is right, and Jones is wrong. So sayeth Larry, so it is true. Actually, the wise understand that they are saying the same thing, what they teach and the way they swing uses the identical principle. That would leave you out--"the wise." larry                               Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:11:51 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:04:33 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:57:16 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> >wrote: > >>On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> >>wrote: >> >>> >>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> >>>> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>>> the golf swing." <clip> >> >>> >><clip> >>>" Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." >>> >>>- Ernest Jones >>> >> >>Littler is right, and Jones is wrong. So sayeth Larry, so it is true. > >Actually, the wise understand that they are saying the same thing, >what they teach and the way they swing uses the identical principle. >That would leave you out--"the wise." > >larry You are soooooo full of crap, and it is sooooo evident to all. -- ___, \o                             Date: 23 Oct 2006 12:22:49 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message news:qu3qj212qbt2puql92ali7lkcknu2r5s0l@4ax.com... > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> > wrote: >>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > >>> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>> the golf swing." <clip> >> > <clip> >>" Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." >> >>- Ernest Jones > Littler is right, and Jones is wrong. So sayeth Larry, so it is true. > bk #1) Larry says Ernest Jones' " Swing the Clubhead" is now the Holy Grail. #2) Tem minutes later Larry Jones says Littler is correct, " The hands have no role in the swing" Larry can'r have it both ways. STC *IS* a hands controlled swing. Unless Larry doesn't know what he believes. Maybe he's just confused.                               Date: From: Subject:                               Date: 23 Oct 2006 14:28:37 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:22:49 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote: > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message >news:qu3qj212qbt2puql92ali7lkcknu2r5s0l@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:03 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> >> wrote: >>>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >> >>>> Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >>>> the golf swing." <clip> >>> >> <clip> >>>" Your hands are everything in this business of playing good golf easily." >>> >>>- Ernest Jones >> Littler is right, and Jones is wrong. So sayeth Larry, so it is true. >> bk > >#1) Larry says Ernest Jones' " Swing the Clubhead" is now the Holy Grail. >#2) Tem minutes later Larry Jones says Littler is correct, " The hands have >no role in the swing" >Larry can'r have it both ways. STC *IS* a hands controlled swing. >Unless Larry doesn't know what he believes. >Maybe he's just confused. > There's no confusion. Whatever LLLLLarrry says last is the definitive truth. Stay tuned for the latest secret. -- ___, \o                         Date: 23 Oct 2006 13:05:15 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:45:08 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >The best instruction you will ever get is from someone who plays top >level golf-- and it will come as a simple word here and quiet >suggestion there, but their quiet advice is priceless if people would >listen. Gene Littler will say (if asked) "the hands have no role in >the golf swing." Then he will say nothing else for the whole round-- >but a st amateur in his foursome should be trying mightily to rid >his swing of hand action- > >Larry That simply is a major overstatement. You can't say what the best instruction that everyone can get, just as you can't say that better players are better teachers. Your penchant for ridiculous comments grows with every post. You see nothing but black and white, and obviously believe that your opinions aren't such, but are facts. Others' opinions are all wrong in your eyes, and your self-importance is manifest. Take a remedial course in humility.   Date: 19 Oct 2006 08:01:00 From: Eagle Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. Native Americans could not have been very successful hunters if arrows were as straight as that shot ;- >   Date: 19 Oct 2006 07:43:37 From: Birdie Bill Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 18, 6:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com > wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM Better than the sway in the previous video, but still plenty to work on. I didn't see a divot. Probably a second-groove impact at best.     Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:48:14 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 19 Oct 2006 07:43:37 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: > > >On Oct 18, 6:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com> wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > >Better than the sway in the previous video, but still plenty >to work on. I didn't see a divot. Probably a second-groove >impact at best. I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. Larry       Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:58:16 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:1iefj2d8oj02rm9mrcrcr4067l0g2jl0qf@4ax.com... > I just shaved the grass-- which is ideal with a 1i. > > Larry Thats no 1 iron. I've never seen the grip-end of a 1 iron held at knee height at address before. Probably a 9 iron.   Date: 19 Oct 2006 07:26:02 From: dsc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie > I especially like how you're playing a "1-iron" that > has a face height that is the same as the ball's diameter. I didn't > know they made 1-irons like that. > You can see a lot more in tha grainy video than I can. :) My BB clone 1 iron is that large. Haven't used it in years though. There are some driving irons that are pretty large too??? dsc   Date: 19 Oct 2006 09:53:52 From: GaryC_47 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything correctly. Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might be tilting left too much at setup. Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's not necessary to take it back so far. It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see a chicken-wing on the follow thru. You finish off balance.     Date: 19 Oct 2006 09:35:42 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:53:52 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca > wrote: > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > <clip > >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight >lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry > >The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything >correctly. > >Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. > >Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might >be tilting left too much at setup. >Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's >not necessary to take it back so far. >It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. >Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. >You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your >weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see >a chicken-wing on the follow thru. >You finish off balance. > New around here huh Gary? No one criticizes LLLLLLarrry's swing! It's perfect, just ask him. :-) :-) :-) ___, \o       Date: 26 Oct 2006 05:08:39 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Kevin D. Timm wrote: > BigPurdueFan wrote: > > > > > >Which reminds me. Back when I was younger (25), I did have a one-iron > > > >and hit it quite well Ironically I hit it about 230. When hit > > > >perfectly, that was only including a five-yard roll, but usually more > > > >like 10. Now I don't have it and couldn't hit it if I did (at the age > > > >of 40). Most people bragging about distance usually don't tell about > > > >roll, but it is usually quite a bit of the distance. > > > > > > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > > > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > > > Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play > > > consistent golf, playe it down the middle. > > > > You are mistaken. I good player (as I once was with long irons) will > > hit his long irons high with little movement upon landing. Jack > > Nicklaus showed how important that was with hitting his long irons high > > and accurately. If you were half as good as you thought you were, > > you'd realize that. If you're 1, 2 and 3-irons all roll about 20 or 30 > > yards, then there isn't much sense in having them all. > > I'm not sure about that. My 3 iron is a great flier; very, very high. > But, depending upon the course I play, it can roll a long long long > way. The difference between playing golf in Texas and the Upper > Midwest. I understand. I grew up in Oklahoma and moved to the Midwest. Those were usually a lot lof low shots in Oklahoma/Texas because of the wind. BUT, a good player on a good course will be able to accurately hit a long iron without much roll. Considering the variance when you use it as a club for distance, then there isn't much sense in having three (or more) long irons. For seniors like Larry, he'd be better off with woods or a hybrid.         Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:31:53 From: carl llewellyn Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Sure is a lot of conversation over one shot.           Date: 26 Oct 2006 17:07:58 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie carl llewellyn wrote: > > Sure is a lot of conversation over one shot. Yeah, that is really something to complain about. I applaud the fact that finally there's a long thread that is GOLF RELATED.             Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:23:03 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:58 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" <kevindtimm@comcast.net > wrote: >carl llewellyn wrote: >> >> Sure is a lot of conversation over one shot. > >Yeah, that is really something to complain about. I applaud the fact >that finally there's a long thread that is GOLF RELATED. Hi timm, Welcome. You haven't been around enough to know that my threads have been the longest in recent RSG experience. I have started threads that accumulated THOUSANDS of posts over weeks and weeks. I am most emphatically NOT part of the RSG regular nutcase crowd. They all hate me-- which emotion I feed on, of course. Some of them realize that--and hate that I am using them like a tool, but they post anyhow, they can't help it. Like helpless zombies, ha. Larry (KING of RSG)               Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:28:40 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:58 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" > <kevindtimm@comcast.net> wrote: > > >carl llewellyn wrote: > >> > >> Sure is a lot of conversation over one shot. > > > >Yeah, that is really something to complain about. I applaud the fact > >that finally there's a long thread that is GOLF RELATED. > > Hi timm, > > Welcome. You haven't been around enough to know that my threads have > been the longest in recent RSG experience. I have started threads > that accumulated THOUSANDS of posts over weeks and weeks. > > I am most emphatically NOT part of the RSG regular nutcase crowd. They > all hate me-- which emotion I feed on, of course. Some of them > realize that--and hate that I am using them like a tool, but they post > anyhow, they can't help it. Like helpless zombies, ha. > > Larry (KING of RSG) 1) It's Kevin 2) Haven't been around long enough to know? Google search my name 3) Not part of the RSG regular nutcase - I would agree with that ;) 4) Hate - no, stare at with incredulity - yes 5) Using them like a tool - you said it, not me               Date: 26 Oct 2006 23:29:50 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie In article <fjg2k2lldnpsj4285g8qr27f8ostosa81u@4ax.com >, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:07:58 -0500, "Kevin D. Timm" > <kevindtimm@comcast.net> wrote: > > >carl llewellyn wrote: > >> > >> Sure is a lot of conversation over one shot. > > > >Yeah, that is really something to complain about. I applaud the fact > >that finally there's a long thread that is GOLF RELATED. > > Hi timm, > > Welcome. You haven't been around enough to know that my threads have > been the longest in recent RSG experience. I have started threads > that accumulated THOUSANDS of posts over weeks and weeks. > > I am most emphatically NOT part of the RSG regular nutcase crowd. They > all hate me-- which emotion I feed on, of course. Some of them > realize that--and hate that I am using them like a tool, but they post > anyhow, they can't help it. Like helpless zombies, ha. > > Larry (KING of RSG) Hate you, Larry? Please. Laugh at you: absolutely! Never change. -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)       Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:14:46 From: Kevin D. Timm Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie BigPurdueFan wrote: > > > >Which reminds me. Back when I was younger (25), I did have a one-iron > > >and hit it quite well Ironically I hit it about 230. When hit > > >perfectly, that was only including a five-yard roll, but usually more > > >like 10. Now I don't have it and couldn't hit it if I did (at the age > > >of 40). Most people bragging about distance usually don't tell about > > >roll, but it is usually quite a bit of the distance. > > > > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > > Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play > > consistent golf, playe it down the middle. > > You are mistaken. I good player (as I once was with long irons) will > hit his long irons high with little movement upon landing. Jack > Nicklaus showed how important that was with hitting his long irons high > and accurately. If you were half as good as you thought you were, > you'd realize that. If you're 1, 2 and 3-irons all roll about 20 or 30 > yards, then there isn't much sense in having them all. I'm not sure about that. My 3 iron is a great flier; very, very high. But, depending upon the course I play, it can roll a long long long way. The difference between playing golf in Texas and the Upper Midwest.       Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:45:17 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie > >Which reminds me. Back when I was younger (25), I did have a one-iron > >and hit it quite well Ironically I hit it about 230. When hit > >perfectly, that was only including a five-yard roll, but usually more > >like 10. Now I don't have it and couldn't hit it if I did (at the age > >of 40). Most people bragging about distance usually don't tell about > >roll, but it is usually quite a bit of the distance. > > What is important about long irons is the ball flies low and lacks > backspin. When the ball hits the short grass it rolls and rolls. > Often they roll onto the greens. Learn to hit long irons and play > consistent golf, playe it down the middle. You are mistaken. I good player (as I once was with long irons) will hit his long irons high with little movement upon landing. Jack Nicklaus showed how important that was with hitting his long irons high and accurately. If you were half as good as you thought you were, you'd realize that. If you're 1, 2 and 3-irons all roll about 20 or 30 yards, then there isn't much sense in having them all.       Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:22:28 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > > BTW, I shot 78 today from the tips. I hit ALL the fairways and about > half the greens. I am working on middle iron accuracy so I can shoot > par. Putt-Putt? Larry, you're more full of shit than a Thanksgiving turkey.         Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:51:10 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On 25 Oct 2006 16:22:28 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> > BTW, I shot 78 today from the tips. I hit ALL the fairways and about >> half the greens. I am working on middle iron accuracy so I can shoot >> par. > >Putt-Putt? > >Larry, you're more full of shit than a Thanksgiving turkey. So why would you say that and why do you hope it is true? You only know me from posts here. We have never met, never played golf together. So aren't you just being hateful? Yep, you're just being hateful. Are you an evil person? Look in the mirror. Larry, (KING of RSG) NOBODY can stand up to me!           Date: 25 Oct 2006 19:12:34 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:51:10 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: Birdie Bill is willing to meet you at your course, and you never responded to him. So, are you going to meet with him?           Date: 25 Oct 2006 19:09:39 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:51:10 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >Larry, (KING of RSG) NOBODY can stand up to me! Close. NOBODY can stand you. -- ___, \o       Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:47:31 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:42 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: >On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:53:52 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca> >wrote: > >> >>"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > ><clip> >>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight >>lie--every >>> other club is a piece of cake. >>> >>> Larry >> >>The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything >>correctly. >> >>Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. >> >>Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might >>be tilting left too much at setup. >>Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's >>not necessary to take it back so far. >>It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. >>Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. >>You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your >>weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see >>a chicken-wing on the follow thru. >>You finish off balance. Not perfect, but the ball went straight and long enough. This swing repeats enough to score. And I am working to get forward faster and finish more in balance. Nice to know exactly what to work on. BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence on the course. So lets all post our one-iron swings! Larry >         Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:48:28 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:ncefj2lsfvp580711e1gqeai24dfhof91s@4ax.com... > This swing repeats My condolences.         Date: 21 Oct 2006 10:52:49 From: GaryC_47 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:ncefj2lsfvp580711e1gqeai24dfhof91s@4ax.com... snipped > >> > >>The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything > >>correctly. > >> > >>Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. > >> > >>Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might > >>be tilting left too much at setup. > >>Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's > >>not necessary to take it back so far. > >>It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper body. > >>Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. > >>You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all your > >>weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see > >>a chicken-wing on the follow thru. > >>You finish off balance. > > Not perfect, but the ball went straight and long enough. This swing > repeats enough to score. And I am working to get forward faster and > finish more in balance. Nice to know exactly what to work on. > > BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult > lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence > on the course. > > So lets all post our one-iron swings! > > Larry > Since you have access to the camera, how about re-filming your swing from the proper perspective to allow a more complete analysis. Place the camera directly opposite the ball pointing perpendicular to the target line, waist height, about 12-15 feet away. Also, take one from the side facing directly down the target line, again at waist height and 12-15 feet away. (like R&B did.) As I said the camera was not positioned well for a proper analysis. We couldn't see ball position and grip, for example.           Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:33:57 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:52:49 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca > wrote: > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:ncefj2lsfvp580711e1gqeai24dfhof91s@4ax.com... >snipped >> >> >> >>The camera position and lighting is not ideal to see everything >> >>correctly. >> >> >> >>Not a bad looking swing overall. Just a few comments. >> >> >> >>Your swing plane might be too upright and it looks like you might >> >>be tilting left too much at setup. >> >>Your right arm collapses at the top due to some overswing. It's >> >>not necessary to take it back so far. >> >>It appears that you are starting the downswing with your upper >body. >> >>Try to hold on to your wrist-cock a little longer on the way down. >> >>You are hanging back on the left side, i.e. not transferring all >your >> >>weight to your front foot. Then you're not releasing so we see >> >>a chicken-wing on the follow thru. >> >>You finish off balance. >> >> Not perfect, but the ball went straight and long enough. This swing >> repeats enough to score. And I am working to get forward faster >and >> finish more in balance. Nice to know exactly what to work on. >> >> BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most >difficult >> lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's >confidence >> on the course. >> >> So lets all post our one-iron swings! >> >> Larry > > >Since you have access to the camera, how about re-filming your swing >from the proper perspective to allow a more complete analysis. > >Place the camera directly opposite the ball pointing perpendicular to >the target line, waist height, about 12-15 feet away. Also, take one >from >the side facing directly down the target line, again at waist height >and >12-15 feet away. (like R&B did.) > >As I said the camera was not positioned well for a proper analysis. >We couldn't see ball position and grip, for example. But then we would need to have that looked at by someone who could properly analyze a golf swing-- and there is no such person! I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, looking at his swing is a waste of time. If I make crisp contact, make a nice divot, and the ball goes straight with a good trajectory, and if momentum carries me to a full finish, what on Earth could be learned by looking closely at the swing motion? Focus on trivia is wildly counter-productive. Many great golfers such as Hale Irwin refuse to look at a video of their own swing--knowing that what they feel and what they do are wildly different-- and since what they do works, why fix what ain't broken? My swing video is useful only with the knowledge that the ball went straight and long-- and that I was focused ONLY on swinging over something a foot or so in front of the ball. Larry             Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:41:04 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... > > I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his > day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied > with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to > do?" ... > My swing video is useful only with the knowledge that the ball went > straight and long-- and that I was focused ONLY on swinging over > something a foot or so in front of the ball. You swing video is useful for one thing and one thing only - entertaining those of us who know what a golf swing should actually look like.             Date: 24 Oct 2006 00:20:00 From: GaryC_47 Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... > On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:52:49 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca > > wrote: > snipped > > > >Since you have access to the camera, how about re-filming your swing > >from the proper perspective to allow a more complete analysis. > > > >Place the camera directly opposite the ball pointing perpendicular to > >the target line, waist height, about 12-15 feet away. Also, take one > >from > >the side facing directly down the target line, again at waist height > >and > >12-15 feet away. (like R&B did.) > > > >As I said the camera was not positioned well for a proper analysis. > >We couldn't see ball position and grip, for example. > > But then we would need to have that looked at by someone who could > properly analyze a golf swing-- and there is no such person! > > I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his > day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied > with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to > do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, > looking at his swing is a waste of time. > > If I make crisp contact, make a nice divot, and the ball goes straight > with a good trajectory, and if momentum carries me to a full finish, > what on Earth could be learned by looking closely at the swing motion? > Focus on trivia is wildly counter-productive. > > Many great golfers such as Hale Irwin refuse to look at a video of > their own swing--knowing that what they feel and what they do are > wildly different-- and since what they do works, why fix what ain't > broken? > > My swing video is useful only with the knowledge that the ball went > straight and long-- and that I was focused ONLY on swinging over > something a foot or so in front of the ball. > > Larry When you are nearly as good as Hale Irwin you can refuse to watch a video of your swing. In the meantime I have to disagree with you on the value of the swing video, based on experience, and I can properly analyze your swing if the video is taken from the correct position. While you may have seen a good result from that particular swing, there are clearly many ,non-trivial, fundamentals that need to be addressed if you wish to attain a repeatable swing that works under pressure on the golf course. Also, I think the video you posted makes it difficult for the observer to imagine the ball going straight and long as you describe, thus inviting all the scepticism from your fans.               Date: 24 Oct 2006 09:06:38 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:20:00 -0400, "GaryC_47" <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca > wrote: > >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:52:49 -0400, "GaryC_47" ><garyc_47@myrealbox.ca> >> wrote: >> >snipped > >> > >> >Since you have access to the camera, how about re-filming your >swing >> >from the proper perspective to allow a more complete analysis. >> > >> >Place the camera directly opposite the ball pointing perpendicular >to >> >the target line, waist height, about 12-15 feet away. Also, take >one >> >from >> >the side facing directly down the target line, again at waist >height >> >and >> >12-15 feet away. (like R&B did.) >> > >> >As I said the camera was not positioned well for a proper analysis. >> >We couldn't see ball position and grip, for example. >> >> But then we would need to have that looked at by someone who could >> properly analyze a golf swing-- and there is no such person! >> >> I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his >> day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were >accompanied >> with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying >to >> do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, >> looking at his swing is a waste of time. >> >> If I make crisp contact, make a nice divot, and the ball goes >straight >> with a good trajectory, and if momentum carries me to a full finish, >> what on Earth could be learned by looking closely at the swing >motion? >> Focus on trivia is wildly counter-productive. >> >> Many great golfers such as Hale Irwin refuse to look at a video of >> their own swing--knowing that what they feel and what they do are >> wildly different-- and since what they do works, why fix what ain't >> broken? >> >> My swing video is useful only with the knowledge that the ball went >> straight and long-- and that I was focused ONLY on swinging over >> something a foot or so in front of the ball. >> >> Larry > >When you are nearly as good as Hale Irwin you can refuse to watch >a video of your swing. In the meantime I have to disagree with you on >the value of the swing video, based on experience, and I can properly >analyze your swing if the video is taken from the correct position. > >While you may have seen a good result from that particular swing, >there >are clearly many ,non-trivial, fundamentals that need to be addressed >if you wish >to attain a repeatable swing that works under pressure on the golf >course. > >Also, I think the video you posted makes it difficult for the observer >to imagine >the ball going straight and long as you describe, thus inviting all >the scepticism from >your fans. Sometime I should shoot video clips of various golfers around my club-- and let you guess their handicap. You would be wildly wrong-- there is almost no relationship between "pretty" swings and their ability to score. The worst swing among the senior men is a solid 5 capper who plays every day. He makes a short chop at the ball, no "swing" at all. But it always goes straight and he scrapes it onto the greens-- And he would take all your money if you bet against him. Scoring is about hitting it straight enough to reach the green or near-- and then getting up and down. PERIOD. If you hit it sideways into trouble, you can't score. If you can't get up and down from around the greens, you can't score. If you can't two putt from anyplace on any green, you can't score. So scoring in amateur club golf is about playing st, not looking pretty. I have adjusted as necessary to hit it consistently straight--and frankly I don't care what my backswing looks like-- see ya out there. Larry                 Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:44:24 From: jeffc Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:j8dsj21mnd6qvommf98an2thvhtu4r3tmq@4ax.com... > > Sometime I should shoot video clips of various golfers around my > club-- and let you guess their handicap. You would be wildly wrong-- > there is almost no relationship between "pretty" swings and their > ability to score. The worst swing among the senior men is a solid 5 > capper who plays every day. No, YOU would be wildly wrong. That's because you don't understand the fundamentals of the golf swing. Most good golfers here know the difference between a "pretty" swing with some shaky fundamentals and a swing that produces but isn't going to be seen on Golf Channel demos. Take Bret's, for example. > Scoring is about hitting it straight enough to reach the green or > near-- and then getting up and down. PERIOD. If you hit it sideways > into trouble, you can't score. Funny how Tiger Woods does that all the time.             Date: 23 Oct 2006 20:18:51 From: Alan Murphy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... > I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his > day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied > with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to > do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, > looking at his swing is a waste of time. > > Larry Ben Hogan's tip: http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv Look at this swing clip of Hogan posted by Bret above. It is a direct and utter contradiction of the statement that you have just made. This clip is IMHO the best single bit of golf instruction that it is possible to have. Here is the master graphically explaining exactly what he thinks is the most important element of the golf swing, in words and in exact actions. Watch it and learn for once and I am convinced that even you will profit by it. Alan               Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:07:39 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:18:51 +0100, "Alan Murphy" <afmccl@btinternet.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message >news:eoupj2tm6e3kr6n29cra8vp8qsm2kar9bl@4ax.com... > >> I agree with Ernest Jones that looking at golf swings (movies in his >> day) is totally counter-productive unless each swing were accompanied >> with the mental thought process of the golfer--what was he "trying to >> do?" Since we can't know what Hogan was actually focused on, >> looking at his swing is a waste of time. >> >> Larry > >Ben Hogan's tip: >http://www.members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv > >Look at this swing clip of Hogan posted by Bret >above. It is a direct and utter contradiction of the >statement that you have just made. This clip is >IMHO the best single bit of golf instruction that it >is possible to have. Here is the master graphically >explaining exactly what he thinks is the most >important element of the golf swing, in words and >in exact actions. Watch it and learn for once and I >am convinced that even you will profit by it. > >Alan BS!!!! He stated the obvious. EVERYONE knows we should do that, OF COURSE we should start our downsiwng with our lower body. IF we don't start our downswing with our lower body, we fall down!!! The brain knows where the upper body is going and prepares--just as it does when we throw a ball or swing an ax, etc. etc. The golf swing is "natural" if we simply swing horizontally like baseball and then bend over and swing the same way (Jim Flick.) Larry           Date: 21 Oct 2006 16:20:52 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie GaryC_47 <garyc_47@myrealbox.ca > wrote: : Since you have access to the camera, how about re-filming your swing : from the proper perspective to allow a more complete analysis. : : Place the camera directly opposite the ball pointing perpendicular to : the target line, waist height, about 12-15 feet away. Also, take one : from : the side facing directly down the target line, again at waist height : and : 12-15 feet away. (like R&B did.) : : As I said the camera was not positioned well for a proper analysis. : We couldn't see ball position and grip, for example. Could you tell it was Larry? Then the swing was great! -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/         Date: 20 Oct 2006 00:38:39 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:47:31 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >on the course. So a 60° wedge is easier than a 1 iron for you?           Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:21:33 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:38:39 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote: >On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:47:31 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com> >wrote: > >>BTW, when you can hit the most difficult club from the most difficult >>lie, all the others are easy-- which certainly helps one's confidence >>on the course. > >So a 60° wedge is easier than a 1 iron for you? yes, and for you and every other golfer. Larry             Date: From: Subject:   Date: 19 Oct 2006 05:08:20 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Mike Dalecki wrote: > Indiana_John wrote: > > >>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off > >>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. > > > > You underestimate the value of hardpan! > > That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. I wasn't talking about where it started. See: Tin Cup   Date: 19 Oct 2006 04:32:19 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. Is that why you're a 10 handicap?     Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:37:43 From: Carbon Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:32:19 -0700, Larry Bud wrote: > larry wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an accelerating >> swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a one-iron from >> that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. The secret is >> keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my shoulder. Gary >> Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. > > Is that why you're a 10 handicap? He says he's a 10 handicap. Given his penchant for lying it's likely his actual handicap is higher.   Date: 18 Oct 2006 21:12:58 From: Ben. Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Oct 18, 10:51 pm, long&left <nos...@diespammers.com > wrote: > glfnaz wrote: > > "Chris Bellomy" <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message > >news:0T3i9db6Ii0tN34@redshark.goodshow.net... > >> Mike Dalecki <m...@dalecki.net> wrote: > >> : Indiana_John wrote: > >> : > >> :>>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off > >> :>>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. > >> :> > >> :> > >> :> You underestimate the value of hardpan! > >> : > >> : That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. > > >> That isn't what he meant. > > > LLLarryy's shot was a 120 yd fade with a 5 iron from a tee. >Brad, there you go being sensible again :)- Post it again, Dave, maybe Brad will respond: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8129ae9d4c4c6abd?hl=en& long&left = homo sycaphantus! LOL!     Date: 19 Oct 2006 15:02:21 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Ben. wrote: > > On Oct 18, 10:51 pm, long&left <nos...@diespammers.com> wrote: >> glfnaz wrote: >>> "Chris Bellomy" <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:0T3i9db6Ii0tN34@redshark.goodshow.net... >>>> Mike Dalecki <m...@dalecki.net> wrote: >>>> : Indiana_John wrote: >>>> : >>>> :>>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >>>> :>>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. >>>> :> >>>> :> >>>> :> You underestimate the value of hardpan! >>>> : >>>> : That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. >>>> That isn't what he meant. >>> LLLarryy's shot was a 120 yd fade with a 5 iron from a tee. > >> Brad, there you go being sensible again :)- > > Post it again, Dave, maybe Brad will respond: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8129ae9d4c4c6abd?hl=en& > > long&left = homo sycaphantus! > > LOL! > Hi Bennie Boy...I was just having some fun. What are you doin'?   Date: 18 Oct 2006 19:12:24 From: Indiana_John Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie > What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off > the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. You underestimate the value of hardpan!     Date: 18 Oct 2006 21:21:29 From: Mike Dalecki Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Indiana_John wrote: >>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. > > > You underestimate the value of hardpan! > That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/ RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------       Date: 19 Oct 2006 02:37:38 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net > wrote: : Indiana_John wrote: : : >>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off : >>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. : > : > : > You underestimate the value of hardpan! : : That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. That isn't what he meant. -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/         Date: 18 Oct 2006 22:55:52 From: Wayne Subject: Re: provisional balls Larry Bud wrote: > > Bob wrote: >> "Kenn Smith" <grizzledbear@webtv.net> wrote in message >> news:22231-45368A30-263@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net... >> >I recall a situation several years ago where someone, maybe Lefty?, >> > knocked a ball into a barranca on Torrey Pines. He made a cursory >> > search for it, not wanting to find it, headed back to a playable >> > position, asked the shals and spectators to quit looking. They >> > didn't quit, found his ball and he was mightily upset about it, he had >> > to then play it. >> > >> >> Yep, that was Phil ... > > And the reason he didn't want to find it is because his provisional was > pounded in the middle of the FW. Once the original was found, it was > unplayable, and he had to retee it to hit his 3rd, possibly hitting > into the shit once again. And he almost did. The 3rd tee shot was heading for the crap before hitting a tree and dropping down in the rough. Wayne -- www.nhlfa.com "There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures, and the Dutch." -Nigel Powers           Date: 18 Oct 2006 20:51:49 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie glfnaz wrote: > "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message > news:0T3i9db6Ii0tN34@redshark.goodshow.net... >> Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net> wrote: >> : Indiana_John wrote: >> : >> :>>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >> :>>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. >> :> >> :> >> :> You underestimate the value of hardpan! >> : >> : That ball isn't sitting on hardpan. >> >> That isn't what he meant. > > > LLLarryy's shot was a 120 yd fade with a 5 iron from a tee. > > Brad, there you go being sensible again :)   Date: 18 Oct 2006 17:32:08 From: glfnaz Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie "larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message news:cccdj2pokp2o0osrmfdkn2s5v0ll31bdef@4ax.com... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry Tight lie? The ball is on a tee!     Date: 18 Oct 2006 17:44:15 From: long&left Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie glfnaz wrote: > "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message > news:cccdj2pokp2o0osrmfdkn2s5v0ll31bdef@4ax.com... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry > > Tight lie? > The ball is on a tee! > > damn! Llllarry hates you observant types :)   Date: 18 Oct 2006 16:26:13 From: dugjustdug Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie Cool hat! Nice tempo, too. On Oct 18, 4:02 pm, larry <l...@deldata.com > wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry   Date: 18 Oct 2006 18:15:00 From: Mike Dalecki Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > > Larry What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/ RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------     Date: 18 Oct 2006 17:24:09 From: larry Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:15:00 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net > wrote: >larry wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >> >> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >> >> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >> other club is a piece of cake. >> >> Larry > > >What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. Like you can do that??? Post a video clip. Larry       Date: 18 Oct 2006 21:09:00 From: Mike Dalecki Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:15:00 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net> > wrote: > > >>larry wrote: >> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >>> >>>Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >>>accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >>>one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >>>The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >>>shoulder. Gary Player was right. >>> >>>When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >>>other club is a piece of cake. >>> >>>Larry >> >> >>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. > > > Like you can do that??? Post a video clip. > > Larry Well, before I go any further, perhaps I should clarify what is meant by "tight lie." Do you mean the kind of lie where the ball is sitting up on 3/4" of nice turf? Because that's what it looks like. In fact, it looks like the ball is sitting on a tee. I especially like how you're playing a "1-iron" that has a face height that is the same as the ball's diameter. I didn't know they made 1-irons like that. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/ RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------         Date: 19 Oct 2006 22:12:07 From: David Laville Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:09:00 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net > wrote: > >Because that's what it looks like. In fact, it looks like the ball is >sitting on a tee. I especially like how you're playing a "1-iron" that >has a face height that is the same as the ball's diameter. I didn't >know they made 1-irons like that. First thing I noticed was how short of a shaft it had for a 1 iron. David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor TB-8982       Date: 18 Oct 2006 19:55:49 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:24:09 -0700, larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote: >On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:15:00 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net> >wrote: > >>larry wrote: >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM >>> >>> Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an >>> accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a >>> one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. >>> The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my >>> shoulder. Gary Player was right. >>> >>> When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every >>> other club is a piece of cake. >>> >>> Larry >> >> >>What a laugh. Tight lie, eh? In other words, you picked the ball off >>the turf with no divot, and hit it 230 yards? Yeah, sure. > >Like you can do that??? Post a video clip. > >Larry He didn't say that he could do that. You can't. ___, \o   Date: 18 Oct 2006 16:12:39 From: Subject: Re: One Iron from a tight lie larry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGKNH_0TQM > > Today on the back of our range I was practicing to make an > accelerating swing--no lagging back and no deceleration. This is a > one-iron from that tight grass lie-- it went 230+ and arrow straight. No lagging back would be better termed no holding back the lag that's already stored. > The secret is keeping the clubhead accelerating--all the way over my > shoulder. Gary Player was right. > Acceleration is good, but there is a time when the parachutes come out. I don't want to see you turn into a y Poppins. > When you can hit a one-iron long and straight from a tight lie--every > other club is a piece of cake. > Yeah, until you hit 10 straight one irons, and then have to hit a 70 yard wedge shot. > Larry Overall a very good swing. CJ