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Date: 16 Oct 2006 07:25:42
From: Manco
Subject: Ochoa should be #1
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Date: 17 Oct 2006 08:27:25
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Cesar Neri wrote:
> Disagree with all this talk about "commercialism and infatuation". You're
> reading too much into it. The truth of the matter it is is EXTREMELY
> difficult to stay NO 1 in any sport. Annika has dominated the LPGA for many
> many years and so I will cut her some slack if she is not playing up to par
> of late. But the good news is that the there seems to be a rivarly brewing
> between her and Ochoa and that is good for the sport. Only time will tell if
> Lorena can sustain her level of play this year in the same manner the Annika
> has played so well for so many years.
>
I agree that is difficult to stay number 1, but Annika's dominance in
recent years showed there was not a close second. Annika's scores have
dipped and Lorena's have gotten better. By getting the ball into the
hole the soonest, Lorena is #1. Looking back at Annika's career, she
dipped after a phenomenal start to Webb. There probably was a reason,
and my best guess would be her riage. Now, she gets a lot of
attention for working out 5 times a week, and even 3 during tournament
weeks. If she has gotten 5 extra yards, she sure hasn't made that into
a plus as she is wilder off the tee. I don't think bigger gym muscles
translate into better golf muscles. Ochoa is at least her equal of
late, and she is petite compared to Sorenstam. Taking all those months
off just to prepare for Colonial was nothing that enhanced her career
like she and others have claimed. She could have just played a few
rounds from the tips and took a week off and played Colonial, but she
didn't. Fanfare and all the attention seems like the priy
motivation to me. Now with new boyfriend, and her ill-fated intentions
of even dropping her schedule down, to 'concentrate on the majors'
(which is usually a negative for her), will just widen the chasm
between her and the game's next superstar, and the postition that
Annika will never rival again, unless she gets back on the range when
Webb was getting past her.
CJ
CJ
> <curtjester@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:1161017275.228171.130300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > cja wrote:
> >> Lorena is leading the money list, has 5 wins this season, and is likely
> >> to take player of the year honors. If she keeps it going,
> >
> >> Ochoa could overtake Annika before too long.
> >
> > I think she has been overtaken, the end of one legacy and start of
> > another. Commercialism and the infatuation of the image ofher own
> > legacy has crept into Annika's brain, instead of the striving for
> > excellence which dominated in her past years.
> >
> > CJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Can we say Lorena is the best female
> >> golfer in the world right now? Or is she just the woman who is playing
> >> the best golf? Maybe this is the philosphical argument of what "best"
> >> means.
> >>
> >> - cja
> >
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 14:10:19
From: cja
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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dsc wrote:
> I really like Laura, but isn't she several years past the typical age
> of a rising star?
>
Certainly. She must look like an old lady next to youngsters like
Natalie and Lorena. Although a fine looking old lady, if you ask me.
(She's only 31.) I've been a fan too. She comes from a good golf
family, and has been an enthusiastic caddy for her brother, Ron Jr., at
some PGA events. I've seen her play in person a bit, and saw her
shopping in the merchandise tent after her round at the U.S. Women's
Open a couple of years ago. I didn't stalk her, much...
- cja
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 22:42:21
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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I have seen LD on TV, numerous times and in person, several times in LPGA
tournaments and based on my observation, she seems to lack one thing that
could have pushed over the top and that is a "competitive spirit". She just
doesn't seem to have that fire in the belly that propels a lot of the top
players. If you look at Annika and Lorena, you can almost feel that under
that calm facade lies a tiger ready to pounch on the opponent. But maybe
that's just LD's personality. Perhaps, she's just too laid back.
"cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote in message
news:1161033019.815144.6810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> dsc wrote:
>
>> I really like Laura, but isn't she several years past the typical age
>> of a rising star?
>>
> Certainly. She must look like an old lady next to youngsters like
> Natalie and Lorena. Although a fine looking old lady, if you ask me.
> (She's only 31.) I've been a fan too. She comes from a good golf
> family, and has been an enthusiastic caddy for her brother, Ron Jr., at
> some PGA events. I've seen her play in person a bit, and saw her
> shopping in the merchandise tent after her round at the U.S. Women's
> Open a couple of years ago. I didn't stalk her, much...
>
> - cja
>
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 13:11:35
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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cja wrote:
> 3putt wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure of her stats, but wasn't Laura (Philo) Diaz the rising star a
> > short couple of years ago?
> >
> I think Diaz had a lot of potential, people were looking for the Great
> American Hope to do something on tour. She's only had two wins, both in
> '02, so her 'rising star' time was probably '01/'02. She had a baby in
> early '06. Great for her, not so great for her golf game. She made
> several cuts this season, but hasn't been in contention much.
I really like Laura, but isn't she several years past the typical age
of a rising star?
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 12:22:14
From: cja
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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3putt wrote:
> I'm not sure of her stats, but wasn't Laura (Philo) Diaz the rising star a
> short couple of years ago?
>
I think Diaz had a lot of potential, people were looking for the Great
American Hope to do something on tour. She's only had two wins, both in
'02, so her 'rising star' time was probably '01/'02. She had a baby in
early '06. Great for her, not so great for her golf game. She made
several cuts this season, but hasn't been in contention much.
- cja
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 09:47:55
From:
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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cja wrote:
> Lorena is leading the money list, has 5 wins this season, and is likely
> to take player of the year honors. If she keeps it going,
> Ochoa could overtake Annika before too long.
I think she has been overtaken, the end of one legacy and start of
another. Commercialism and the infatuation of the image ofher own
legacy has crept into Annika's brain, instead of the striving for
excellence which dominated in her past years.
CJ
> Can we say Lorena is the best female
> golfer in the world right now? Or is she just the woman who is playing
> the best golf? Maybe this is the philosphical argument of what "best"
> means.
>
> - cja
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:21:57
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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Disagree with all this talk about "commercialism and infatuation". You're
reading too much into it. The truth of the matter it is is EXTREMELY
difficult to stay NO 1 in any sport. Annika has dominated the LPGA for many
many years and so I will cut her some slack if she is not playing up to par
of late. But the good news is that the there seems to be a rivarly brewing
between her and Ochoa and that is good for the sport. Only time will tell if
Lorena can sustain her level of play this year in the same manner the Annika
has played so well for so many years.
<curtjester@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1161017275.228171.130300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> cja wrote:
>> Lorena is leading the money list, has 5 wins this season, and is likely
>> to take player of the year honors. If she keeps it going,
>
>> Ochoa could overtake Annika before too long.
>
> I think she has been overtaken, the end of one legacy and start of
> another. Commercialism and the infatuation of the image ofher own
> legacy has crept into Annika's brain, instead of the striving for
> excellence which dominated in her past years.
>
> CJ
>
>
>
>
>> Can we say Lorena is the best female
>> golfer in the world right now? Or is she just the woman who is playing
>> the best golf? Maybe this is the philosphical argument of what "best"
>> means.
>>
>> - cja
>
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 05:35:48
From: cja
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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Lorena is leading the money list, has 5 wins this season, and is likely
to take player of the year honors. If she keeps it going, Ochoa could
overtake Annika before too long. Can we say Lorena is the best female
golfer in the world right now? Or is she just the woman who is playing
the best golf? Maybe this is the philosphical argument of what "best"
means.
- cja
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Date: 16 Oct 2006 17:44:30
From: 3putt
Subject: Re: Ochoa should be #1
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"cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote in message
news:1161002148.643834.211430@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Lorena is leading the money list, has 5 wins this season, and is likely
> to take player of the year honors. If she keeps it going, Ochoa could
> overtake Annika before too long. Can we say Lorena is the best female
> golfer in the world right now? Or is she just the woman who is playing
> the best golf? Maybe this is the philosphical argument of what "best"
> means.
>
> - cja
>
I'm not sure of her stats, but wasn't Laura (Philo) Diaz the rising star a
short couple of years ago?
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