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Date: 24 Sep 2006 02:10:23
From: \R&B\
Subject: New toys
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Earlier this month, I got what my friends and I call "the club madness." This affliction strikes me about once every couple of years when I feel the urge to get new golf clubs. It is a sickness from which I thought I had recovered, after a long layoff from golf. But evidently, it's genetic and I won't be shedding this chronic affliction anytime soon. It all began innocently enough when I reasoned that my set of clubs -- and mind you, my notion of a "set" of clubs is not the usual 14 clubs, I'll carry as many as 17 if I damn well please, thankyouverymuch (unless it's a tournament) -- had a gap in it. I hadn't been carrying a 2-iron for a couple of years, and had no wood that provided me with that yardage. I got the bright idea that I'd take the plunge into the world of hybrids and fill that gap that way. And with that notion, the demons were set loose to wreak havoc in my brain. Soon, I was thinking of updating my driver, getting something bigger (as if 454 cc is not big enough already -- but hey, I figured, every c helps). Oh, and those fairway metals I'd been hitting? I hated them. I really did. This was a real sore spot with me, as I'd always loved my fairway woods in the past. But this set and I never quite hit it off. So as long as I was in a club-trading mood, they were toast. And from there, it was just another small leap to decide to get a new set of irons. After all, mine were 2 years old. And who the hell can play golf with 2-year-old irons, anyway? Certainly not me. (I can't play with new ones, either, but that reality never seems to creep into my brain when the disease known as The Club Madness strikes.) And, well, you know me. No golf club shopping spree would be complete without a new putter. I am, after all, RSG's official "putterholic." And there was this one putter in the golf shop that had mesmorized me for weeks. It seems every time I picked it up, I made every putt I looked at. So, around the first of the month, I visited my local golf shop, the PGA TOUR Superstore. Guys, this store is incredible. It's the size of (or maybe even bigger than) the Golfsmith Superstores. And they have everything. Including about 8 or 10 hitting stations -- simulators -- a couple of indoor sand bunkers, and a nice-size putting green. A shoe section that's as large as some shoe STORES I've been to (and they even carry XW sizes for my Fred Flintstone feet). A clothing section with golf clothes that rivals in size the menswear and ladieswear sections at J. C. Penney. And an entire section devoted to golf gifts, memorabilia, etc. Heck, the golf BAG section is as large as some golf shops I've been to in my day. The place is like a damn golfer's fantasyland theme park. And best of all, they have a Playability Guarantee on all equipment they sell. If you don't like the golf clubs you buy there -- for any reason -- you can bring it back within 30 days and receive 100% receipt value applied to some other store purchase -- no questions asked. So I traded in all my clubs. (Well, except my Scotty Cameron putter, which will remain in my living room for now.) I tested a gazillion different clubs in the simulator, and it came as no surprise to me that the ones that I made friends with were, like the ones I had before (and the ones I've been hitting for nearly a decade), Callaway. I went with the X460 driver. 9-degree. Traded my awful fairway woods on the Callaway X-series fairway woods (3 and 4, my usual array). The guy talked me into trying the less offset "Pro Series" X-18 irons. I've had the less offset Pro Series before in X-14s, and they were alright. I was able to work them left-to-right better than I could with the more offset standard Callaway sets. So I was interested in trying those again. But they only came in Dynamic Gold shafts, which I've never had much success with. But I figured with the Playability Guarantee, I'd give 'em a shot. Got the R300s. Included a 2-hybrid in the deal -- the Fusion hybrid, rather than the Heavenwood. The Heavenwood has that "Ginty"-like sole, which is what I hated so much about the older Big Bertha fairway metals I hated. And for a putter, I got the mesmorizing (and gigantic) Odyssey 3-ball (not 2-ball). This thing is just enormous. Over the next couple of weeks, I concluded the following: I love the X-series fairway woods. They feel like the old Callaway Steelhead and Hawkeye fairway metals that I loved so much before I began my long layoff. They're keepers. The X460 driver makes the loudest sound I've heard since the last time I played golf with Annika1980 and his legendary "Clanger." But I don't like it. It's a shrill, "empty" sound that did not inspire confidence. I just can't make friends with any golf club that gives me a damn headache every time I hit it. I suck at golf too much to be playing less-offset irons. My dependable draw that I could always rely on when I needed to call on it was gone. And this will be the last time I hit anything with Dynamic Golds in them. I hate that shaft. It's just not for me. The X-18 Pro Series irons had to go. I had a bad experience with the Callaway X16 irons when I first got back into golf after a 10-month layoff. I couldn't hit 'em anywhere, and fell back on the Big Bertha '02 model, which I'd used before my layoff, and were far easier to hit. Evidently, ever since Callaway came with these two different sets, the X-series irons are designed more for "players" while the Big Bertha irons are designed more for "hackers" like me. You'd think I'd have learned that lesson. But no, I had to try the X-18s because...well...they're just so damn cool looking. But they don't look so cool in my hands; I couldn't hit 'em for shit. The putter's fine. You just can't misalign the Odyssey 3-ball putter without wearing a blindfold. So about 10 days ago, back to the store I went. Just as their guarantee says they will, PGA TOUR Superstore took my "unplayable" equipment back and gave me full receipt value toward the purchase of something else, no questions asked. Heck, I had even regripped everything, and they still didn't say a word. These guys rock. I opted for the '06 Big Berthas -- something I figured was a "safe" choice for me, knowing my history of being satisfied with the '04 models. But this set didn't come with a 3-iron as my other sets of the past had, so that prompted me to add a 3-hybrid. Now I have two clubs -- the 2 and the 3 hybrids -- that I need to make friends with, as these hybrids are strange animals. More about that in a minute. And I switched over to the Fusion driver. Interestingly, when I purchased the Big Bertha 454 whatever-it-was-called a couple years ago, when I got on the launch monitor, it told me that 9-degrees was the proper loft for me. That was no surprise, as I'd traded enough drivers in my life to know that 9-degrees was where I got the best and most consistent results. I'd been hitting 9-degree drivers for years. But when I went back to the store this time to trade in the Bertha Clanger, the launch monitor revealed something quite different. It said I should be hitting 10, or even 11 degrees. Probably an indication of an inconsistency in my swing more than anything else. Either that or the guy interpreting the data just interpreted it differently than the one who prescribed a 9-degree a couple years ago. Anyway, in my heart, I figured that my slow-ass clubhead speed was probably better suited to more loft, so I went with the 10, which seemed like a logical compromise. In my mind, it just seemed like 11 would just go straight up in the air and come back down and hit me on my head. So last weekend, armed with my second arsenal of new toys in two weeks, I headed out to the golf course in hopes of reporting to my friends the "good news" that the swap had yielded more successful results. But instead, I played like shit. Some of the worst golf I've played in years. Fortunately, I had an excuse -- even beyond my usual "I suck" explanation. I had come down with what would prove to be a fairly serious bronchial infection, and spent most of both rounds Saturday and Sunday coughing and weezing my way around the course (a lovely image, I know). But I was BY GOD GONNA PLAY WITH MY NEW TOYS, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, DAMMIT!!! And so I did. Monday, after another sleepless night, I went to the doc and got a shot and some medicine, and spent the better part of the week taking it easy and recovering. Thankfully, I'm all better now, and today, I returned to the scene of the crime in hopes of playing better. And I did. I'm pleased to report that the irons are wonderful. I hit lots of good shots, including some mid-iron shots that were as good as any I've hit in some time. Chipped in for birdie on one hole, and chipped as well as I have in ages (except for one hole), so I'm pleased with the wedges, too. I'm giving the Fusion driver a B+ for right now. The jury's out on whether the 10-degree loft is right for me. I like the feel of it, and it doesn't make that horrifying, ear-piercing noise that the X460 did. (Annika, how the hell did you put up with that? Earplugs?) The Fusion seems to have a very hot face -- the ball comes off very lively. I can see why so many pros love it. (I would love mine a lot more if I had their swing.) Odd round today that was, in many ways, a microcosm of my game in recent months. Before The Club Madness set in, my game had shown signs of life recently, but it was a roller-coaster, with one really good round followed by one really bad round. Not much in between. Last week, my Sunday "sick round" ended with a back nine consisting of 9 straight bogeys (something I don't think I'd ever done before), which was about the only thing "steady" I could report about that day's play. Today's front nine picked up right where I left off, with 4 straight bogeys. Although to be fair, the problem was more with putting than anything else. My ball-striking was decent enough. I missed a couple of short putts, and had a very tricky lag putt up a severe slope on #1's two-tier green, leaving a little more meat on the bone than I'd have liked, which I missed. On #4, I hit a solid 9-iron out of a fairway bunker over the flagstick, just on to the fringe behind the green. But the green pinched in between me and the hole, and it was severely downhill with the hole cut in a low area. So I had no other play but to try a big, full-swing flop shot with the lob wedge from just a few inches off the putting surface and maybe 30 feet to the hole. I hit it perfectly, and the ball released down to about 3 feet from the cup. A real crowd-pleaser, if I do say so. (The shall who was watching from 30 yards behind the green gave me a standing ovation. Ha!) But the remaining putt was still severely downhill and sidehill, and I just didn't borrow enough, missing it on the low side for a disappointing bogey. But then I chipped in on #5 for birdie, and rolled in a 25-footer for birdie on the par three 6th to get back to 2-over. Toed a long hybrid approach shot on the par four 7th, leaving a delicate little pitch, which released past the hole leaving a 10-footer for par which just missed. Back to 3-over. #8 is a treacherous, long, downhill par four -- the #1 handicap hole, with OB on the right and water guarding the left of the fairway and front of the elevated green. I busted a 4-iron approach pin high, just a foot left of the fringe, chipped close and made one of the few pars I've ever made on the hole. Then on the par five 9th, I hit an 8-iron approach over the flagstick and just beyond the green. (With a deep ravine short of the green, it's better to be long than short there.) Another chip that was very close, leaving a tap-in par. 39 on the front, one of the better nines I've played in a while. A so-so 2nd shot on the par five 10th left a 5-iron approach, which I stuck 15 feet from the hole (probably the best mid-iron shot I've hit all year), and the birdie attempt burned the edge. But then, the wheels fell off. Triple bogey 6 on the par three 11th when I hooked a 3 hybrid into a greenside bunker, about the worst possible place to leave it on this hole with today's pin in the front right. Tried to make a heroic recovery, hitting PW from the sand, only to skull it left and over the back of the green. Chipped too strong this time to the front fringe (poor club selection), then chipped too strong again (wrong club selection again; I should have just putted from the fringe) and two-putted from there. A textbook triple-bogey, if such a thing exists. It kinda threw me off rhythm for the rest of the round, although I still made enough random good shots the rest of the way to feel like the back nine wasn't a complete wash. We ran out of daylight on the 16th hole (actually, it was dark on the 15th), so the round was incomplete, and I have no clue where I was score-wise, as we were hurrying every shot, trying to get in as much golf as we could, conceding putts we'd never ordinarily pick up just to keep moving. It's just as well. I'd rather draw from the front nine than the back nine today anyway. Severe thunderstorms are forecast all day tomorrow, so I'm glad I got out to play today. But that'll be all the golf I get to play until next weekend. Observations: * I was sent out today with a mom and dad and their 12-year-old son. The kid is going to be the next Tiger Woods. He could flat-out play, and was an absolute joy to watch. Hit a nice solid draw down the middle on almost every hole. A super kid, too. Which, as you might expect, is a pretty good clue to the fact that his parents were super-nice, too. A nice change of pace from the asshole I had the misfortune of getting paired with last Sunday. (Going out as a single is really a grab-bag of humanity, ain't it?) * The Big Bertha irons are definitely easier to hit than the X-18s. The sweet spot is bigger, and they're just more forgiving. Also, because the soles on the BB irons are wider than the more traditional soles on the X-18s, they offer a tad more forgiveness on fat shots, which is my tendency. The ground was really wet today, as they're over-watering after over-seeding the fairways (something they may regret when the rains come tomorrow). On firmer, sun-hardened fairways like the ones I used to play in Texas, I might have preferred the narrower soles of the X-18s. But make no mistake -- the sweet spot just isn't as big on those babies as it is on the Big Berthas. If any mid- or high-handicapper reading this is contemplating the purchase of one or the other, a word to the wise. * My draw is back. So evidently, either the less offset wasn't for me, or the R300 shafts are just not right for me. Or both. * I tried something today just for grins that goes against the fundamental beliefs I have about golf swing mechanics. In the new Golf Magazine, there's an article about a "secret power move." It's nothing more than an aggressive pronation (counter-clockwise rotation) of the wrists through impact. I tried it on the range, and I discovered that it's either not for me, or I'd have to work on it quite a lot to perfect it. I bladed a lot of shots and pulled far too many others when trying it out on the practice tee to come away a believer. I'm sure it does provide added power, but the timing of it is so critical, that I've gotta believe it can produce some pretty wild spraying of the ball left and right. For me to incorporate that move into my game would require a fundamental rebuilding of my golf swing, which I'm not willing to do since I *understand* my golf swing and pretty much know what's going wrong when things do go haywire. But I had practiced this so-called "secret" move while chipping in the living room this week, and found that it produces a higher shot. Today I learned that even though it causes the ball to come off the face hotter, it also produces more spin, causing the ball to put on the brakes in a hurry. So I used it today when chipping. Except for those two chips that "went off in my hands" on #11 (due mostly to poor club selection), I was very pleased with the results. So I may continue using it on certain shots arund the green. I felt pretty comfortable with it. * It's been feast or famine for me with these hybrids. I've hit some sensational shots from lies I could never get a long iron on. Then at other times, I just haven't been able to make a swing with them. It's not the clubs; it's me. I just need to spend some time on the range to get better acquainted with these new friends whose personalities are a little different from any other clubs I've had before. They don't swing quite like fairway woods, and they don't swing quite like irons. DUH...that's why they're called HYBRIDS. Anyway, they're different from anything I've had before, and I need to get used to them. * I *love* the enormous Odyssey 3-ball putter that a dear friend of mine calls "the spaceship," which prompted me to name mine "The Parship Enterprise." It is impossible to misalign the damn thing, and it has surprisingly good balance and feel. I haven't made an abundance of long or mid-range putts with it, but I *have* made a few, and to be fair, the greens I've been putting on since getting it have not been in very good shape (they're just now recovering from a fungus that nearly destroyed them). I'm also blaming the greens for the unusually high number of short putts I've missed; I never miss short putts. The ball has been going right where I've been aiming it, and that's really all I can ask. So they're either misreads, or, in some cases, the ball has just skittered off-line. Maybe next week I'll take it somewhere that the greens are in better condition. For me to stick with a putter this long (a whole MONTH!!!) that isn't an Anser-like (or Cameron Newport-like) putter really says something about my fondness for it. I must say, after the 2003-2004-2005 seasons in which I played very sparingly, I've played a lot more regularly in '06 -- almost every weekend since the weather turned warm enough last Spring. This increase in play is because my business has picked up (knock on wood) and I've felt like I deserved to treat myself to a bit more recreation than I was getting to enjoy during those sparse years when I really had to hunker down. It's pretty neat to be excited about golf again. It's just a damn shame I still suck at it. Randy
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 06:29:23
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: New toys
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Peter Strauss wrote: > On 24 Sep 2006 22:44:14 -0700, "Birdie Bill" > <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter, sounds like we are going through similar changes. It gets > > much better if you stick with it. Hang in there. The keys to the > > swing they are teaching me (so far) at GolfTec: > > <keys snipped> > > Thanks, Bill. I will hang in. > As for the keys: I'm not even going to try to understand or > incorporate any of those -- my head's swimming as it is with the > changes from the SwingSetter! And they're relatively simple and > elementary compared to what you're doing. That sounds incredibly > complicated. I just made it sound complicated, because I write poorly. However, I don't know how to explain it with fewer details. It really boils down to: 1. Make a "good" backswing. 2. Turn to impact, retaining the angles. A good backswing is judged by the keys I mentioned, but as long as I keep my hands inside of the clubhead, and don't roll my wrists open, etc, etc, I will get to a good position at the top. If I don't get to a good position at the top, there is no way to get back down to the ball without making a bunch of compensations. Impact is judged by how well I have retained the cup in my right wrist, and hitting the ball crisply with the divot starting on the target side of the ball. Right now, this is about all that I am working on, hitting half swings off grass, rotating my body through impact and making sure the divot starts on the correct side of the ball. But no one wants to hear about someone else's "revelations", so I should probably keep them to myself. At least I don't claim to have found any "grail".
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 07:42:51
From: long&left
Subject: Re: New toys
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Birdie Bill wrote: (snip) > > But no one wants to hear about someone else's "revelations", > so I should probably keep them to myself. At least I don't > claim to have found any "grail". > nah, I, for one like to hear about good swing process. Maybe not good for everyone but what you're working on is what I'm working on also. Get to a good position at the top of the backswing. My problem is that it works great at the range but I get distracted on the course. It's not muscle memoried yet... Dave
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 15:56:22
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: New toys
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long&left wrote: > Birdie Bill wrote: > (snip) > >> >> But no one wants to hear about someone else's "revelations", >> so I should probably keep them to myself. At least I don't >> claim to have found any "grail". >> > > nah, I, for one like to hear about good swing process. Maybe not good > for everyone but what you're working on is what I'm working on also. Get > to a good position at the top of the backswing. My problem is that it > works great at the range but I get distracted on the course. It's not > muscle memoried yet... > Dave Yeah ... I agree ... it's interesting to me to hear what others have discovered or are working on in their swing. May or may not be relevant to me ... but I think over time you start to recognize what your common faults are and what kind of thoughts work for you. Just those few who believe that their "secrets" are what everyone needs that are annoying. Rob
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 11:35:30
From: long&left
Subject: Re: New toys
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Rob Davis wrote: > long&left wrote: >> Birdie Bill wrote: >> (snip) >> >>> >>> But no one wants to hear about someone else's "revelations", >>> so I should probably keep them to myself. At least I don't >>> claim to have found any "grail". >>> >> >> nah, I, for one like to hear about good swing process. Maybe not good >> for everyone but what you're working on is what I'm working on also. >> Get to a good position at the top of the backswing. My problem is that >> it works great at the range but I get distracted on the course. It's >> not muscle memoried yet... >> Dave > > Yeah ... I agree ... it's interesting to me to hear what others have > discovered or are working on in their swing. May or may not be relevant > to me ... but I think over time you start to recognize what your common > faults are and what kind of thoughts work for you. Just those few who > believe that their "secrets" are what everyone needs that are annoying. > > Rob yep, those people are almost as bad as smokers who have quit. Oh wait, that's me :) Dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 09:13:51
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: New toys
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Over 40 paragraphs of pure gold. I couldn't stop readi............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:44:14
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: New toys
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Peter Strauss wrote: > On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:10:23 -0400, "\"R&B\"" > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: > > <interesting post snipped> > > Nice post, Randy, and thanks for it. > Enjoyed reading about your experimentation with the Callaways. > I've been thinking and thinking about making some hybrids, and I'm > getting closer and closer to actually doing that. > > I'd appreciate any info/feedback anyone can give me on component > hybrid heads and the shafts that work best/worst in them. I will have > to build them (Awwwww....) due to economics and terminal > dark-sider-itis. > > Been using the Swingsetter for a few weeks here, and I'm beginning to > get the hang of the new swing. 'Tain't easy, but I think in the end > it's going to make a difference. An indicator of the magnitude of the > challenge: played today with Dan Driscoll, who said that in all the > years we've been playing together, he'd never seen me swing with a hip > turn! So it's a massive reconstruction effort; today featured some > shots that just felt wonderful, and were much more the way they're > supposed to be, with the lower body moving correctly. Hard to unlearn > the armsy swing, though. But getting great feedback from the bad > shots: they're really really bad! > > Although my score was still awful, it was less awful than anything > I've had in the last few weeks, so progress is happening, slowly, > slowly. Peter, sounds like we are going through similar changes. It gets much better if you stick with it. Hang in there. The keys to the swing they are teaching me (so far) at GolfTec: - Lower body quiet on backswing (no sway) - OK for head to float back on backswing (but not up/down) - Hands come straight back to slightly inside on backswing (my major backswing problem was pushing my hands away from my body in order to lift the club. This also caused me to lift my head.) - While the hands come back and inside, the clubhead stays outside the hands and flips up as a result of the straight left arm levering against the right arm causing the wrists to cock. - The hands are kept low on the backswing which causes the left shoulder to drop rather than turning level (to hell with what Corey Pavin says). This also helps keep the head level. - The right palm faces down on the backswing, so when the wrist cock occurs, the right wrist hinges back towards the forearm. - When you reach what feels like the 9:00 position (the club will keep going back), start turning forward. The lateral weight shift will occur automatically, as long as you don't sway on the backswing. Leave your left arm against your chest and your right wrist hinged back all the way to the ball. Keep the head back and steady during the turn until impact. I've been doing a lot of drills starting from the hip level parallel to the ground position and just turning to impact, and then the same thing from the 9:00 position. Never hit the ball better. Not much consistency yet, though.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 03:11:50
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: New toys
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On 24 Sep 2006 22:44:14 -0700, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote: > Peter, sounds like we are going through similar changes. It gets > much better if you stick with it. Hang in there. The keys to the > swing they are teaching me (so far) at GolfTec: <keys snipped > Thanks, Bill. I will hang in. As for the keys: I'm not even going to try to understand or incorporate any of those -- my head's swimming as it is with the changes from the SwingSetter! And they're relatively simple and elementary compared to what you're doing. That sounds incredibly complicated. So, here's to us both hanging in there! BTW: drop me a line with your real email, so we can chat off-group about various and sundry. My addy's above, and it's the real one. Peter
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 04:40:33
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: New toys
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:10:23 -0400, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: <interesting post snipped > Nice post, Randy, and thanks for it. Enjoyed reading about your experimentation with the Callaways. I've been thinking and thinking about making some hybrids, and I'm getting closer and closer to actually doing that. I'd appreciate any info/feedback anyone can give me on component hybrid heads and the shafts that work best/worst in them. I will have to build them (Awwwww....) due to economics and terminal dark-sider-itis. Been using the Swingsetter for a few weeks here, and I'm beginning to get the hang of the new swing. 'Tain't easy, but I think in the end it's going to make a difference. An indicator of the magnitude of the challenge: played today with Dan Driscoll, who said that in all the years we've been playing together, he'd never seen me swing with a hip turn! So it's a massive reconstruction effort; today featured some shots that just felt wonderful, and were much more the way they're supposed to be, with the lower body moving correctly. Hard to unlearn the armsy swing, though. But getting great feedback from the bad shots: they're really really bad! Although my score was still awful, it was less awful than anything I've had in the last few weeks, so progress is happening, slowly, slowly. Peter
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 06:45:46
From: Don A Roof
Subject: Re: New toys (Randy)
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You're a good writer. I found myself interested in your hole-by-hole accounts and "I" am one who resists all attempts by friends who try to regale me with their rounds of golf the day after. In fact, my normal response after the third hole is to tell them if I'm going to go 18 "I want caddy fees..." Anyway, I enjoyed your entire post - maybe it's a been-there-done that-thing, but it sure beats the all too normal attack posts that clutter up the ng. Also, in reference to the "power move" in Golf: I interpreted the move the same way that you did. I had done something very similar several years (probably MANY years!) ago for some reason now long forgotten and it actually created more problems than it solved. I believed at the time and believe now that it would take an extraordinary degree of "timing" to repeat that move so as to accomplish a consistent shot pattern. But...it IS a power move. You can really release into the shot and his claims of more distance are valid IMO. However much I had been nodding uh huh, uh huh at your experiences that mirrored mine, what drove me to the keyboard was this: "....But I had practiced this so-called "secret" move while chipping in the living room this week, and found that it produces a higher shot. Today I learned that even though it causes the ball to come off the face hotter, it also produces more spin, causing the ball to put on the brakes in a hurry....." I'm still using that method for chips after all these years and I hadn't even thought about it until reading your account since it's been incorporated into my "game" for so long.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 16:07:11
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: New toys (Randy)
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"Don A Roof" <donaroof@webtv.net > wrote in message news:18464-451661DA-2111@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net... > You're a good writer. I found myself interested in your hole-by-hole > accounts and "I" am one who resists all attempts by friends who try to > regale me with their rounds of golf the day after. In fact, my normal > response after the third hole is to tell them if I'm going to go 18 "I > want caddy fees..." > > Anyway, I enjoyed your entire post - maybe it's a been-there-done > that-thing, but it sure beats the all too normal attack posts that > clutter up the ng. > He's just practising on us. Thank goodness :-) Alan
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