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Date: 03 Mar 2007 09:16:04
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
The 7th annual RSG Cincinnati Open will be held July 13 - 15, 2007.
We will be playing 36 holes of practice/warm-up/social golf on Friday.
Saturday morning will be the official tournament round to determine
the RSG Cincinnati Champion and the Supreme Golfer. There will be
another 18 holes on Saturday afternoon with a yet to be determined
team competition. Sunday morning will bring another 18 hole
social/grudge match round likely followed by an emergency 18 for
people who are not heading out of town.
It is not necessary to play every round so please feel welcome to come
and play as many (or few) rounds as you can. Believe it or not, there
are a lot of good people out there who you haven't met.
I am still finalizing venues so the courses may change.
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PRESS RELEASE
RSG Tour Picks Up Ball Dropped by PGA
Cincinnati, Ohio -- The PGA Tour and the International tournament in
Denver dropped the ball, but the RSG Tour has picked it up and it
heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
Stableford format.
"We think it is a great format and that the players will love it,"
said John Pflum, the host of RSG-Cincinnati. "This is our 7th year and
we were looking for something to spice up the event a little bit, to
keep things new and fresh. The Stableford format is a great way to
differentiate ourselves from other events."
Stableford scoring is different from tradition golf scoring in that
the high score, not the low score, wins. Your final score is not your
stroke total but the number of points earned by your stroke total on
each individual hole.
"We will be using the traditional Stableford scoring and will have
both a gross and net division. The gross winner will be named the
Supreme Golfer and the net winner will receive the Red Brick Trophy
and be named Champion," said Pflum.
According to the RSG Cincinnati release, points will be awarded as
follows for both the gross and net division:
More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
One over par -- 1 points
Par -- 2 points
One under par -- 3 points
Two under par -- 4 points
Three under par -- 5 points
Four under par -- 6 points
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:57:05
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5, 1:56 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
>
> >If you need a celebrity to attend, why not try to get Ocho Cinco?
>
> I have a note into him but I need someone with less talent. You sure
> you can't make it?
Barring me finally hitting the lottery it doesn't look good.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 12:11:35
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5, 5:41 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> Crap. If the TGA is using rangefinders then it must be wrong. I may
> have to change policies for this year.
I (legally) used my Sky Caddie at the PNWGA Pub Links in 2006.
Here's the weird part though....After reading rangefinders were
allowed under the local rules, I discovered the course wasn't one the
pre-charted ones from SkyCaddie. So, I get up super early and show up
at registration (about an hour before the first tee time and three
hours before mine) and tell them I would like to borrow a cart so I
can k the greens. The lady at registration radios the head offical
of the tourney and he says I can't take a cart on the course (even
though carts are allowed during the competition), but I am more than
welcome to walk the course and chart it. What is the freakin'
difference in how I transport myself around the course prior to my
stipulated round, or the competition even starting?
Good thing I was half way in shape at that time, but still had to
shower again when I got back to the hotel to pick up my caddie. Best
score I've ever shot walking 36 in one day. :-)
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 15:27:01
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5 2007 12:11:35 -0800, "newellsatwsu"
<newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote:
>On 5, 5:41 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> Crap. If the TGA is using rangefinders then it must be wrong. I may
>> have to change policies for this year.
>
>I (legally) used my Sky Caddie at the PNWGA Pub Links in 2006.
>
>Here's the weird part though....After reading rangefinders were
>allowed under the local rules, I discovered the course wasn't one the
>pre-charted ones from SkyCaddie. So, I get up super early and show up
>at registration (about an hour before the first tee time and three
>hours before mine) and tell them I would like to borrow a cart so I
>can k the greens. The lady at registration radios the head offical
>of the tourney and he says I can't take a cart on the course (even
>though carts are allowed during the competition), but I am more than
>welcome to walk the course and chart it. What is the freakin'
>difference in how I transport myself around the course prior to my
>stipulated round, or the competition even starting?
>
>Good thing I was half way in shape at that time, but still had to
>shower again when I got back to the hotel to pick up my caddie. Best
>score I've ever shot walking 36 in one day. :-)
Wait a second. What's wrong with this scenario?? You go to the
course prior to a big round, run around like a mad person, wearing
yourself out while your caddy sleeps in?!?!? WTF??? That is on
crappy caddie. I'd fire her in a second. What a slacker.
At least when *I* caddy for a certain Scotsman in the US Senior
Amateur qualifier I get up early, make sure he has a decent breakfast,
and check out the pins for him.
Let me know next time if you want a real caddy and I'll be there.
Geez.
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 10:09:54
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5, 8:46 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> >But in a one-round event like RSG-Cincinnati, I think it would be
> >fun. For folks not used to playing that format, it might reduce the
> >pressure of worrying about the evil final score. Just say, "I got 10
> >points!" and nobody knows whether you shot 105 or 205.
>
> I'll take that as an RSVP.
> --
I'd love to, but.....
If you need a celebrity to attend, why not try to get Ocho Cinco?
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 16:38:09
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5 2007 10:09:54 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>On 5, 8:46 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> >But in a one-round event like RSG-Cincinnati, I think it would be
>> >fun. For folks not used to playing that format, it might reduce the
>> >pressure of worrying about the evil final score. Just say, "I got 10
>> >points!" and nobody knows whether you shot 105 or 205.
>>
>> I'll take that as an RSVP.
>> --
>
>I'd love to, but.....
>
>If you need a celebrity to attend, why not try to get Ocho Cinco?
LOL
Some Bengal humor:
Q. Why can't Chris Henry get into a huddle on the field anymore?
A. It is a parole violation for him to associate with known felons.
Tom
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 18:01:23
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1173118194.065681.182410@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On 5, 8:46 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
> If you need a celebrity to attend, why not try to get Ocho Cinco?
>
Because, believe it or not, you're less likely to be in jail that day. You
only speed, you don't play for the Bengals
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:56:03
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 5 2007 10:09:54 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>On 5, 8:46 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> >But in a one-round event like RSG-Cincinnati, I think it would be
>> >fun. For folks not used to playing that format, it might reduce the
>> >pressure of worrying about the evil final score. Just say, "I got 10
>> >points!" and nobody knows whether you shot 105 or 205.
>>
>> I'll take that as an RSVP.
>> --
>
>I'd love to, but.....
>
>If you need a celebrity to attend, why not try to get Ocho Cinco?
I have a note into him but I need someone with less talent. You sure
you can't make it?
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:21:06
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 5:50 pm, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On 4, 4:18 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>
> > On 4 2007 07:54:06 -0800, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
> > >If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
> > >distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
> > >with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
> > >seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
> > >probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
> > >bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
> > >disproportionately more ground.
>
> > But this is closer to match play - which is, IMHO the way golf was
> > meant to be played.
>
> Please explain how Stableford is "closer to match play". You are
> still playing the field, not just one opponent.
> The only similarity I see, unless I'm missing something, is that you
> might not always play the hole out to
> completion. Other than that, it's just stroke play with a different
> scoring value.
It's a scoring system that, like match play, prevents single
disasterous holes from putting one out of the competition altogether.
Conversely, it rewards "miracle" shots with excess points, which
will tend to reward weaker players disproportionately to stronger
ones. Match play is similar in that a hole can be won by a single
good putt or chip that is mostly luck. The difference however,
as you note, is that in match play since you are only playing one
player anyone can win a match at any time merely because they
met a stronger player with a weak day. In Stableford, since one
is still playing "the field" they will have to have a good day
overall,
not just in comparison to their opponent.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:29:49
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 7:06 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> On 4 2007 07:54:06 -0800, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 3, 9:12 pm, "Thor" <thor...@rsgohio.com> wrote:
> >> On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
> >> > of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
> >> > Stableford format.
>
> >> Great idea, John! I love playing stableford,
> >> although the opportunity rarely comes up.
>
> >> Plus, this should make the tournament play
> >> faster as golfers pick up once they make
> >> net double-bogey.
>
> >Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
> >If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
> >distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
> >with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
> >seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
> >probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
> >bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
> >disproportionately more ground.
>
> >In stroke play? Different story. There's a seven stroke differential
> >between us, and with the (estimated) two or three blow up holes plus
> >the inevitable nine or 10 single bogeys, we're closer in probable net
> >score. Match play, too. Those two or three blow up holes would be
> >quite difficult for a 10 to overcome against a three.
>
> >Does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm just into my first cup of
> >coffee, so I could be waaaay off here...
>
> >PS - BTW, Futureman got his first email yesterday:
>
> >http://www.pbase.com/sirchandestroy/image/75144041
>
> FWIW, before I decided to make the change I went back and scored last
> year's tournament based on the Stableford scoring. The places only
> changed by one or two. The low net winner was the same and the guy
> who won low gross would have come in second. For the gross, a guy who
> got DQed for not holing out after he lost a ball would have won.
>
That does seem like a good idea. It'll speed up play when people donk
a hole as well...
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:09:17
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 7:06 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> FWIW, before I decided to make the change I went back and scored last
> year's tournament based on the Stableford scoring. The places only
> changed by one or two. The low net winner was the same and the guy
> who won low gross would have come in second. For the gross, a guy who
> got DQed for not holing out after he lost a ball would have won.
>
That's a great point. If you get down there and can't find your ball
you can just pick up without holding up your group by having to return
to the tee. I think for once, you;ve made the right call.
Now repeat the Committee's stance on rangefinders once again for me.
BTW, for the first time the TGA (Tennessee Golf Association) is
allowing rangefinders in all of their events in 2007. They do
restrict them to those that just measure distance (like my Peg), and
they still outlaw those that read the elevation changes or wind for
ya.
Perhaps the TGA was also trying to get me to play in their events
again?
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 08:41:29
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 17:09:17 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>On 4, 7:06 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> FWIW, before I decided to make the change I went back and scored last
>> year's tournament based on the Stableford scoring. The places only
>> changed by one or two. The low net winner was the same and the guy
>> who won low gross would have come in second. For the gross, a guy who
>> got DQed for not holing out after he lost a ball would have won.
>>
>
>That's a great point. If you get down there and can't find your ball
>you can just pick up without holding up your group by having to return
>to the tee. I think for once, you;ve made the right call.
>Now repeat the Committee's stance on rangefinders once again for me.
Are you really an old woman or do you just like to complain like one?
Posted June 5th, ***2006*** <-----------
http://tinyurl.com/2msmzc
>
>BTW, for the first time the TGA (Tennessee Golf Association) is
>allowing rangefinders in all of their events in 2007. They do
>restrict them to those that just measure distance (like my Peg), and
>they still outlaw those that read the elevation changes or wind for
>ya.
>Perhaps the TGA was also trying to get me to play in their events
>again?
>
Crap. If the TGA is using rangefinders then it must be wrong. I may
have to change policies for this year.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:02:40
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 7:12 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> >I don't have a problem with that in the gross division, but it's
> >always tough to swallow when you get 40 points and lose to some guy
> >with a 20-point quota who "miraculously" got 32 that day. IOW, it's a
> >Sandbagger's Dream.
>
> >One time I got 45 points (9 birdies, 9 pars) and didn't win a nickel.
> >But I'm not fuckin bitter!
>
> Are you saying that I would allow a sandbagger in my tournament?
Oh Heavens no! Turds, punchbowls, maybe, .....but a sandbagger?
Absolutely not!
You know what I really don't like about the point quota system?
In my local games I'm sometimes up for 40 points. That means I've got
to shoot 4-under (68) just to get my quota. I can get it, but I'll
rarely get more than 1 or two points better than that. Meanwhile, the
guy up for 20 points can easily get his quota just by playing a good 9
holes.
Also, point quotas make it easy to sandbag. Around here you play team
quotas so everyone's score counts. So let's say the captain is up for
36 points and he's having a bad day, and gets only 10 points by the
turn, the other guys on the team think "We're screwed!" Then they dog
the back nine just to keep their quotas down for the next game.
But I never played that way. I always tried to get everything I
could.
That's why my quota was always high ... and why I rarely ever won.
I never saw the logic in tanking 3 times to win the 4th. That's not
why I play golf. I play golf to see how good I can do each day.
In other words, the quota system makes it easier for dishonest people
(sandbaggers) and harder for honest people who try all the time.
It also punishes consistency. If you shoot within a shot or two of
your quota every time, you'll hardly ever win. The guys that win are
the 20-point guys who get 32 that day. "Made some putts," they all
say.
But in a one-round event like RSG-Cincinnati, I think it would be
fun. For folks not used to playing that format, it might reduce the
pressure of worrying about the evil final score. Just say, "I got 10
points!" and nobody knows whether you shot 105 or 205.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 08:46:46
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 17:02:40 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>On 4, 7:12 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> >I don't have a problem with that in the gross division, but it's
>> >always tough to swallow when you get 40 points and lose to some guy
>> >with a 20-point quota who "miraculously" got 32 that day. IOW, it's a
>> >Sandbagger's Dream.
>>
>> >One time I got 45 points (9 birdies, 9 pars) and didn't win a nickel.
>> >But I'm not fuckin bitter!
>>
>> Are you saying that I would allow a sandbagger in my tournament?
>
>Oh Heavens no! Turds, punchbowls, maybe, .....but a sandbagger?
>Absolutely not!
>
>You know what I really don't like about the point quota system?
>In my local games I'm sometimes up for 40 points. That means I've got
>to shoot 4-under (68) just to get my quota. I can get it, but I'll
>rarely get more than 1 or two points better than that. Meanwhile, the
>guy up for 20 points can easily get his quota just by playing a good 9
>holes.
>
>Also, point quotas make it easy to sandbag. Around here you play team
>quotas so everyone's score counts. So let's say the captain is up for
>36 points and he's having a bad day, and gets only 10 points by the
>turn, the other guys on the team think "We're screwed!" Then they dog
>the back nine just to keep their quotas down for the next game.
>But I never played that way. I always tried to get everything I
>could.
>That's why my quota was always high ... and why I rarely ever won.
>I never saw the logic in tanking 3 times to win the 4th. That's not
>why I play golf. I play golf to see how good I can do each day.
>
>In other words, the quota system makes it easier for dishonest people
>(sandbaggers) and harder for honest people who try all the time.
>It also punishes consistency. If you shoot within a shot or two of
>your quota every time, you'll hardly ever win. The guys that win are
>the 20-point guys who get 32 that day. "Made some putts," they all
>say.
>
>But in a one-round event like RSG-Cincinnati, I think it would be
>fun. For folks not used to playing that format, it might reduce the
>pressure of worrying about the evil final score. Just say, "I got 10
>points!" and nobody knows whether you shot 105 or 205.
>
I'll take that as an RSVP.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 15:51:41
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 6:05 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> Ben. <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : Please explain how Stableford is "closer to match play". You are
> : still playing the field, not just one opponent.
>
> Not to speak for Howard (he doesn't need any help), but Stableford
> is a *tad* like match play in that no single hole can ruin your
> chances. Make a 12 on a hole in regular medal play and you're
> usually pretty much screwed. So good play is rewarded more than
> bad play is punished.
That is true, but the fact that you're still playing the field still
makes it a stroke type event. If this were the format on the PGA
tour, it would almost make no difference in how they score it now,
since very few pros make worse than a double bogey.
As for "the way it was meant to be played" comment from Howard. I
completely disagree, since no one person or group of persons should
determine how the game is meant to be played. Just because the game
started as match play doesn't make it any better than stroke play.
Basketball started with no dribbling. Does that make it less of a pure
game now because that has changed? Has passing changed the purity of
football. Notr trying to get in an argument, just food for
thought.....
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 00:39:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 15:51:41 -0800, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:
>That is true, but the fact that you're still playing the field still
>makes it a stroke type event. If this were the format on the PGA
>tour, it would almost make no difference in how they score it now,
>since very few pros make worse than a double bogey.
Sure. It is just closer to match play. Not a lot closer, but
closer.
>As for "the way it was meant to be played" comment from Howard. I
>completely disagree, since no one person or group of persons should
>determine how the game is meant to be played. Just because the game
>started as match play doesn't make it any better than stroke play.
Generally, it is accurate to say "the way it was meant to be" applies
to "the way things were when it was designed". And we all have
accepted some changes in that - no more featheries.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 00:19:32
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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BigPurdueFan <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:
: On 4, 6:05 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
: > Ben. <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >
: > : Please explain how Stableford is "closer to match play". You are
: > : still playing the field, not just one opponent.
: >
: > Not to speak for Howard (he doesn't need any help), but Stableford
: > is a *tad* like match play in that no single hole can ruin your
: > chances. Make a 12 on a hole in regular medal play and you're
: > usually pretty much screwed. So good play is rewarded more than
: > bad play is punished.
:
: That is true, but the fact that you're still playing the field still
: makes it a stroke type event.
I am absolutely not contesting that point. I'm just saying that
decisio nmaking in Stableford is a *bit* more like match play in
that good shots are rewarded more than bad ones are punished. It's
a very limited point but still a salient one IMO.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 14:50:00
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4, 4:18 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net > wrote:
> On 4 2007 07:54:06 -0800, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
> >If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
> >distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
> >with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
> >seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
> >probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
> >bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
> >disproportionately more ground.
>
> But this is closer to match play - which is, IMHO the way golf was
> meant to be played.
Please explain how Stableford is "closer to match play". You are
still playing the field, not just one opponent.
The only similarity I see, unless I'm missing something, is that you
might not always play the hole out to
completion. Other than that, it's just stroke play with a different
scoring value.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 23:05:19
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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Ben. <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
: Please explain how Stableford is "closer to match play". You are
: still playing the field, not just one opponent.
Not to speak for Howard (he doesn't need any help), but Stableford
is a *tad* like match play in that no single hole can ruin your
chances. Make a 12 on a hole in regular medal play and you're
usually pretty much screwed. So good play is rewarded more than
bad play is punished.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 08:41:52
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
> According to the RSG Cincinnati release, points will be awarded as
> follows for both the gross and net division:
>
> More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
> One over par -- 1 points
> Par -- 2 points
> One under par -- 3 points
> Two under par -- 4 points
> Three under par -- 5 points
> Four under par -- 6 points
>
Oh wow, a points system ... just like the Thursday Thieves at Pungent
Municipal!
I don't have a problem with that in the gross division, but it's
always tough to swallow when you get 40 points and lose to some guy
with a 20-point quota who "miraculously" got 32 that day. IOW, it's a
Sandbagger's Dream.
One time I got 45 points (9 birdies, 9 pars) and didn't win a nickel.
But I'm not fuckin bitter!
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 19:12:09
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 08:41:52 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>>
>> According to the RSG Cincinnati release, points will be awarded as
>> follows for both the gross and net division:
>>
>> More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
>> One over par -- 1 points
>> Par -- 2 points
>> One under par -- 3 points
>> Two under par -- 4 points
>> Three under par -- 5 points
>> Four under par -- 6 points
>>
>
>Oh wow, a points system ... just like the Thursday Thieves at Pungent
>Municipal!
>I don't have a problem with that in the gross division, but it's
>always tough to swallow when you get 40 points and lose to some guy
>with a 20-point quota who "miraculously" got 32 that day. IOW, it's a
>Sandbagger's Dream.
>
>One time I got 45 points (9 birdies, 9 pars) and didn't win a nickel.
>But I'm not fuckin bitter!
>
Are you saying that I would allow a sandbagger in my tournament?
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 07:54:06
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 3, 9:12 pm, "Thor" <thor...@rsgohio.com > wrote:
> On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
> wrote:
>
> > heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
> > of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
> > Stableford format.
>
> Great idea, John! I love playing stableford,
> although the opportunity rarely comes up.
>
> Plus, this should make the tournament play
> faster as golfers pick up once they make
> net double-bogey.
Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
disproportionately more ground.
In stroke play? Different story. There's a seven stroke differential
between us, and with the (estimated) two or three blow up holes plus
the inevitable nine or 10 single bogeys, we're closer in probable net
score. Match play, too. Those two or three blow up holes would be
quite difficult for a 10 to overcome against a three.
Does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm just into my first cup of
coffee, so I could be waaaay off here...
PS - BTW, Futureman got his first email yesterday:
http://www.pbase.com/sirchandestroy/image/75144041
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 19:06:07
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 07:54:06 -0800, "Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On 3, 9:12 pm, "Thor" <thor...@rsgohio.com> wrote:
>> On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
>> > of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
>> > Stableford format.
>>
>> Great idea, John! I love playing stableford,
>> although the opportunity rarely comes up.
>>
>> Plus, this should make the tournament play
>> faster as golfers pick up once they make
>> net double-bogey.
>
>Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
>If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
>distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
>with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
>seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
>probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
>bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
>disproportionately more ground.
>
>In stroke play? Different story. There's a seven stroke differential
>between us, and with the (estimated) two or three blow up holes plus
>the inevitable nine or 10 single bogeys, we're closer in probable net
>score. Match play, too. Those two or three blow up holes would be
>quite difficult for a 10 to overcome against a three.
>
>Does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm just into my first cup of
>coffee, so I could be waaaay off here...
>
>PS - BTW, Futureman got his first email yesterday:
>
>http://www.pbase.com/sirchandestroy/image/75144041
>
FWIW, before I decided to make the change I went back and scored last
year's tournament based on the Stableford scoring. The places only
changed by one or two. The low net winner was the same and the guy
who won low gross would have come in second. For the gross, a guy who
got DQed for not holing out after he lost a ball would have won.
You don't exactly give people pops because it's not a match play
situation.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 22:18:49
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 4 2007 07:54:06 -0800, "Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Do you give people pops in a modified scoring format like Stableford?
>If I'm a 3 index playing a 10 index, I feel like I would be at a
>distinct disadvantage because a 10 typically plays reasonably well
>with the exception of a hole or three where they blow up and card a
>seven or eight...or more. So there are seven holes where he will
>probably get more points due to a birdie/net eagle, par/net birdie or
>bogey/net par; whereas if I card one stroke over his, I lose
>disproportionately more ground.
But this is closer to match play - which is, IMHO the way golf was
meant to be played.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 19:12:53
From: Thor
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 3, 9:16 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
> of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
> Stableford format.
Great idea, John! I love playing stableford,
although the opportunity rarely comes up.
Plus, this should make the tournament play
faster as golfers pick up once they make
net double-bogey.
-- Thor
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 18:18:00
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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John van der Pflum wrote:
snip...
>
> More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
> One over par -- 1 points
> Par -- 2 points
> One under par -- 3 points
> Two under par -- 4 points
> Three under par -- 5 points
> Four under par -- 6 points
>
> --
Wow! This is *MY* game! We need to make this standard everywhere! I would
have had 24 points with the crappy round I played yesterday! (82 on a par
70 rated at 67, for a 15 differential; 8 pars, 8 bogies and 2 doubles).
Made a great par on one hole. Hit my drive into some tree roots, and the
ball was right behing a big root. Looking around at where I could make a
legal drop, there was nowehre that didn't have a really good chance of
resulting in the ball in roots again. So I hit a really soft 7W, the ball
popped up, bounced hard off a root and rolled into the fairway, about 90
yards out. Hit a SW to 3" and made the 3 incher for a par! Ball rollers
will never have that satisfaction, and it felt really good!
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 09:50:29
From: Dene
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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On 3, 8:17 am, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpu...@aol.com > wrote:
> > Cincinnati, Ohio -- The PGA Tour and the International tournament in
> > Denver dropped the ball, but the RSG Tour has picked it up and it
> > heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
> > of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
> > Stableford format.
>
> > More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
> > One over par -- 1 points
> > Par -- 2 points
> > One under par -- 3 points
> > Two under par -- 4 points
> > Three under par -- 5 points
> > Four under par -- 6 points
>
> > --
>
> > jvdp
> > RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
> I was going to complain (jokingly) that I hate the stableford format
> (at least the PGA version) until I realized it doesn't make a
> difference unless you make over double-bogey.....not that I have a
> right to complain since I haven't attended an RSG event yet and don't
> know if I can make this one.
>
> Btw, are you going to have a super-heavyweight division? I may be able
> to take that one....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I play it every week on Thursdays (weather permitting). It's great to
have a gnarly hole and walk away from it, knowing that it will not
adversely affect your overall score.
-Greg
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 08:17:43
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: New Tournament Format, RSG Cincinnati July 13-15
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> Cincinnati, Ohio -- The PGA Tour and the International tournament in
> Denver dropped the ball, but the RSG Tour has picked it up and it
> heading for the goal line. RSG Tour officials announced today that one
> of its premier events, RSG-Cincinnati, will switch to the popular
> Stableford format.
>
> More than one over par or no score returned -- 0 points
> One over par -- 1 points
> Par -- 2 points
> One under par -- 3 points
> Two under par -- 4 points
> Three under par -- 5 points
> Four under par -- 6 points
>
> --
>
> jvdp
> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
I was going to complain (jokingly) that I hate the stableford format
(at least the PGA version) until I realized it doesn't make a
difference unless you make over double-bogey.....not that I have a
right to complain since I haven't attended an RSG event yet and don't
know if I can make this one.
Btw, are you going to have a super-heavyweight division? I may be able
to take that one....
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