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Date: 12 Jan 2007 17:24:22
From: annika1980
Subject: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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The rally is on!
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 07:19:26
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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David wrote:
> She has completely overextended
> herself trying to compete with the men and it will hurt her game more
> than improve it.
How does playing badly against the men hurt her game more than playing
badly against the women? Her game is her game and right now it stinks.
I'd blame Leadbetter before blaming her bad play on her PGA Tour
appearances.
It could be argued that her early appearances on the men's tour
improved her game. She had some very nice finishes on the LPGA Tour
after that. And who knows? Maybe her current sour streak in the men's
events will provide her with some mental toughness that she lacks. A
little humility isn't such a bad thing ..... or so I'm told.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 05:51:26
From:
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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Most (if not all) you people here on RSG actually PAY to embarrass
yourselves!!
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:07:16 GMT, "Rick Brandt"
> <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
> >> on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
> >> punishment.
> >
> >Who would refuse the "punishment" she has endured if given the choice?
>
> Not I.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 05:51:20
From:
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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Most (if not all) you people here on RSG actually PAY to embarrass
yourselves!!
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:07:16 GMT, "Rick Brandt"
> <rickbrandt2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
> >> on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
> >> punishment.
> >
> >Who would refuse the "punishment" she has endured if given the choice?
>
> Not I.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 13:23:14
From:
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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Steve wrote:
> Just so you know, Tiger wins well
> less than 50% of his starts on average,
I recall reading (or hearing on TV) that Tiger has won 25% of the PGA
events he's
entered, which is about double the rate of the next-best percentage
(Nicklaus).
I wonder what Bobby Jones' numbers were for the amateur and open events
he
entered. Maybe 50%? It wouldn't be hard to find all his USGA and
major British
records, but what about Southern Opens and the like?
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 13:11:48
From:
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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EdSmithers wrote:
> As for Michelle, she's going to finish her last 2 holes and post a
> score better than them.
>
> I suspect she'll win pretty soon somewhere,
I presume you mean against women, not men.
That's actually possible, but hardly a slam-dunk.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:31:27
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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> If you could take your current game, play on the tour, get your ass handed to
> you consistently, all the while making millions of dollars, would you refuse to
> do so?
Not until I had raked in a couple hundred million... then I'd retire. :)
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 15:55:48
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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On 13 Jan 2007 07:31:27 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
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>> If you could take your current game, play on the tour, get your ass handed to
>> you consistently, all the while making millions of dollars, would you refuse to
>> do so?
>
>Not until I had raked in a couple hundred million... then I'd retire. :)
Absolutely. I'm embarrassed with my game for much less each week on
the course. Why not be embarrassed for a ton of money? :-)
--
___,
\o
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 01:17:13
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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MoiMoi wrote:
> I don't get it.
> Ames shot 3 over for the tourney.
> Johnson 1 over.
> Wie is 13 over at the moment.
> How can she post a lower score?
Those guys didn't post any score at all. They were DQ'd.
And, surely folks who read this group at all know I was kidding about
Wie. Does anyone think ANYONE would really be jazzed about her beating
David Chin?
My tone didn't come through.
Ed
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 23:41:04
From:
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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she beat the worst and disqualifed players. is that what it's come
to??? .... michelle has had very, very bad golf advice. i hope for her
sake that this is her last PGA tournament.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 13:19:51
From: David
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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On 12 Jan 2007 23:41:04 -0800, motofrankster@yahoo.com wrote:
>she beat the worst and disqualifed players. is that what it's come
>to??? .... michelle has had very, very bad golf advice. i hope for her
>sake that this is her last PGA tournament.
Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
punishment.
David
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 14:07:16
From: Rick Brandt
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:gajhq2h2e00p9sob34sckl0knsmnd5q3dn@4ax.com...
> On 12 Jan 2007 23:41:04 -0800, motofrankster@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>she beat the worst and disqualifed players. is that what it's come
>>to??? .... michelle has had very, very bad golf advice. i hope for her
>>sake that this is her last PGA tournament.
>
> Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
> on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
> punishment.
Who would refuse the "punishment" she has endured if given the choice? Agree
with it or not, some people look at their career as predominantly an income
source, not as a way to carve their name in the annals of "legends of the game".
If you could take your current game, play on the tour, get your ass handed to
you consistently, all the while making millions of dollars, would you refuse to
do so?
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 12:57:04
From: David
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:07:16 GMT, "Rick Brandt"
<rickbrandt2@hotmail.com > wrote:
>"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>news:gajhq2h2e00p9sob34sckl0knsmnd5q3dn@4ax.com...
>> On 12 Jan 2007 23:41:04 -0800, motofrankster@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>she beat the worst and disqualifed players. is that what it's come
>>>to??? .... michelle has had very, very bad golf advice. i hope for her
>>>sake that this is her last PGA tournament.
>>
>> Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
>> on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
>> punishment.
>
>Who would refuse the "punishment" she has endured if given the choice? Agree
>with it or not, some people look at their career as predominantly an income
>source, not as a way to carve their name in the annals of "legends of the game".
>
>If you could take your current game, play on the tour, get your ass handed to
>you consistently, all the while making millions of dollars, would you refuse to
>do so?
She does not make money playing the men's events, she gets sponsor
exemptions which enable her to compete. I am quite sure that she is
not receiving any appearance fees for he efforts.
Her contract with Nike pays the bills and she should use that
opportunity to take on the women. She has completely overextended
herself trying to compete with the men and it will hurt her game more
than improve it.
David
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 15:37:54
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:57:04 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:
> She does not make money playing the men's events, she gets sponsor
>exemptions which enable her to compete. I am quite sure that she is
>not receiving any appearance fees for he efforts.
>
> Her contract with Nike pays the bills and she should use that
>opportunity to take on the women. She has completely overextended
>herself trying to compete with the men and it will hurt her game more
>than improve it.
Her boss is Nike. I don't know what Nike tells her to play.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 12:23:58
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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She also has a big Sony endorsement and, surprise, surprise this happens to
be the Sony Open so one assumes Nike isn't calling the shots this week.
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:bhjkq2th1cvk9tgqgns8nahb3birv1s4cb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:57:04 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> She does not make money playing the men's events, she gets sponsor
>>exemptions which enable her to compete. I am quite sure that she is
>>not receiving any appearance fees for he efforts.
>>
>> Her contract with Nike pays the bills and she should use that
>>opportunity to take on the women. She has completely overextended
>>herself trying to compete with the men and it will hurt her game more
>>than improve it.
>
> Her boss is Nike. I don't know what Nike tells her to play.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:56:20
From: Rick Brandt
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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David wrote:
> She does not make money playing the men's events, she gets sponsor
> exemptions which enable her to compete. I am quite sure that she is
> not receiving any appearance fees for he efforts.
>
> Her contract with Nike pays the bills and she should use that
> opportunity to take on the women. She has completely overextended
> herself trying to compete with the men and it will hurt her game more
> than improve it.
And you don't think that her taking advantage of these exemptions has anything
to do with the Nike contract? Are not sponsers exemptions specifically about
about attracting attention to the tournament? Isn't attention exactly what Nike
wants when they give an athlete a contract?
She might mature into a strong player that dominates the women's tour for years
and makes their hall of fame. Or she might not. If she does then somewhere
along the way she might actually finish respectably in a PGA event. Or she
might not.
None of those hypotheticals have much at all to do with what she does NOW. To
improve (if she's going to) she needs to play in competitive events. She is
doing that. Is it your position that playing competitively can only improve
your game if you win or finish near the top? There's an awful lot of young
players missing cuts week in and week out that sure hope you're wrong.
The main point is that if she ultimately does NOT evolve into a strong player on
the womens' tour and fades into obscurity the way she has managed her early
years have made her very wealthy. If she had "gone the usual route" and ended
up a nobody she could have ended up spending the rest of her carreer teaching
hacks how to get under 100. I cannot find anything to fault in what she has
done.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 22:32:00
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:07:16 GMT, "Rick Brandt"
<rickbrandt2@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> Unfortunately, Wie has said that she will play as many tournaments
>> on the men's tour as possible. She is definitely a glutton for
>> punishment.
>
>Who would refuse the "punishment" she has endured if given the choice?
Not I.
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 19:10:57
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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MoiMoi wrote:
> She's still on the course, so how do you know?
>
> Ames was also disqualified. So was Tom Johnson.
> What for I wonder?
They both signed incorrect scorecards. They each gave themselves pars
on holes where they bogied.
As for Michelle, she's going to finish her last 2 holes and post a
score better than them. She'll also have beaten David Chin and Abe
iano, and I'd suspect her final score is a hell of a lot better than
any RSG 4-some could put up in a best-ball putt-putt contest.
I suspect she'll win pretty soon somewhere, likely before Tiger loses
again.
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 23:09:17
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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> I suspect she'll win pretty soon somewhere, likely before Tiger loses
> again.
>
Wie wins somewhere before Tiger loses? Just so you know, Tiger wins well
less than 50% of his starts on average, Wie has not won anything in over 3
and a half years.
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:22:11
From: MoiMoi
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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In article <1168657855.330512.185600@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com says...
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> MoiMoi wrote:
>
> > She's still on the course, so how do you know?
> >
> > Ames was also disqualified. So was Tom Johnson.
> > What for I wonder?
>
>
>
> They both signed incorrect scorecards. They each gave themselves pars
> on holes where they bogied.
Ah, thanks for that info.
> As for Michelle, she's going to finish her last 2 holes and post a
> score better than them.
I don't get it.
Ames shot 3 over for the tourney.
Johnson 1 over.
Wie is 13 over at the moment.
How can she post a lower score?
MM
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 18:51:57
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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annika1980 wrote:
> The rally is on!
Regardless, she posted a better score than Stephen Ames, and I'd
suppose there are some here who think he's a pretty solid player.
Ed
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:02:45
From: MoiMoi
Subject: Re: Michelle makes a Birdie !!!
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In article <1168656716.048470.117710@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com >,
spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com says...
>
> annika1980 wrote:
> > The rally is on!
>
> Regardless, she posted a better score than Stephen Ames,
She's still on the course, so how do you know?
Ames was also disqualified. So was Tom Johnson.
What for I wonder?
MM
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