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Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:18:17
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
that!
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 06:26:23
From:
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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I'm just wondering what you have against LaVille?
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 13:51:43
From:
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 21, 2:39 pm, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> If you're trying to set me up for legal action.... go for it.
>
> But, to answer your question.... Yeah. It would sten up that dumbass
> punk.
>
> <bigoldc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:1174504294.351738.237980@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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>
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> > On 21, 9:58 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
> >> Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your whole
> >> world.
>
> >> Watch your back.......
>
> > Would you really hit David LaVille in the head with a sandwedge?- Hide quoted text -
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No legal action, just wanted to know if you were joking, all your
comments in this thread have been so over the top.
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 02:16:13
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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If you want to see "something over the top" watch Laville swing.
<bigoldcat2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1174510302.996493.181790@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 21, 2:39 pm, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
>> If you're trying to set me up for legal action.... go for it.
>>
>> But, to answer your question.... Yeah. It would sten up that dumbass
>> punk.
>>
>> <bigoldc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1174504294.351738.237980@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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>> > On 21, 9:58 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
>> >> Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your
>> >> whole
>> >> world.
>>
>> >> Watch your back.......
>>
>> > Would you really hit David LaVille in the head with a sandwedge?- Hide
>> > quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No legal action, just wanted to know if you were joking, all your
> comments in this thread have been so over the top.
>
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 12:11:34
From:
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 21, 9:58 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your whole
> world.
>
> Watch your back.......
Would you really hit David LaVille in the head with a sandwedge?
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 15:39:17
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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If you're trying to set me up for legal action.... go for it.
But, to answer your question.... Yeah. It would sten up that dumbass
punk.
<bigoldcat2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1174504294.351738.237980@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 21, 9:58 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
>> Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your whole
>> world.
>>
>> Watch your back.......
>
> Would you really hit David LaVille in the head with a sandwedge?
>
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 09:54:40
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 21, 6:58 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your whole
> world.
>
> Watch your back.......
>
> "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174454998.637897.204640@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 20, 6:21 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> And then he's going to huff and puff and blow my house down.
>
> > Not again! Hurricane Ringer???
>
> > Nah......Duh Ringer is more like a church peep.
>
> > -Greg- Hide quoted text -
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Hmmm.....I live 60 miles due west of Mt. St. Helens. Love to see you
top that.
-Greg
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 22:29:58
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 20, 6:21 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> And then he's going to huff and puff and blow my house down.
>
Not again! Hurricane Ringer???
Nah......Duh Ringer is more like a church peep.
-Greg
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 10:58:29
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Actually it's more like a volcano that will erupt and destroy your whole
world.
Watch your back.......
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1174454998.637897.204640@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 20, 6:21 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> And then he's going to huff and puff and blow my house down.
>>
>
> Not again! Hurricane Ringer???
>
> Nah......Duh Ringer is more like a church peep.
>
> -Greg
>
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 22:25:48
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 20, 6:19 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> On 19 2007 10:23:35 -0700, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Didn't you and David play just once together? If so, you have made
> >some astounding conclusions about his game, on the basis of one round.
>
> Randy and I have played at least half a dozen times.
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982
David,
I was talking about you and John. He claims to know your game, your
skill level, after only playing with you once. Presumptious....to say
the least.
-Greg
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 10:56:39
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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You have to excuse David. His attention span isn't that long and can't keep
facts straight.
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1174454747.970739.85370@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 20, 6:19 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> On 19 2007 10:23:35 -0700, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Didn't you and David play just once together? If so, you have made
>> >some astounding conclusions about his game, on the basis of one round.
>>
>> Randy and I have played at least half a dozen times.
>>
>> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>> TB-8982
>
> David,
>
> I was talking about you and John. He claims to know your game, your
> skill level, after only playing with you once. Presumptious....to say
> the least.
>
> -Greg
>
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 20:30:53
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 01:18:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> iron?
Not me... The best I've done is from under a tree, right side, requiring
me to fade the shot 160yds, from 2" of rough...did it with a punch cut
3i.
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 05:53:18
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 10:09 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
> "frank ross" <f...@net.net> wrote in message
>
> news:569191F28b93qU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> Dene wrote:
>
> >>> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Rob,
>
> >>> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>
> >>> -Greg
>
> >> Pretty obvious, isn't it!
>
> > LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
> > suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
> > Frank Ross
>
> In RobWorld, everything is about Rob.
>
> Randy- Hide quoted text -
Got that right. I tend to my own business. In Randy's world, it's all
about what other people are doing. Magic Slim says:
"Mind your own Business
Leave my affairs alone
...
Get some business of your own".
Rob
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 21:25:34
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 7:44 pm, frank ross <f...@net.net > wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > On 19, 7:03 pm, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
> >> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>
> >>> Dene wrote:
> >>>> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
> >>>> Rob,
> >>>> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
> >>>> -Greg
> >>> Pretty obvious, isn't it!
> >> LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
> >> suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
> >> Frank Ross
>
> > Guilty Francis.
>
> > Took the day off, played on my new boat, and thought about your true
> > identity all day long. I will be absolutely miserable until the
> > mystery of your personna is solved.
>
> > Please help. My life is soooo empty.
>
> > -Greg
>
> This should make you feel better; there's only one n in persona, one o
> in so, and I am who I say I am. :-)
> Frank Ross- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah....who needs Ambien. I can just ponder about your existence and
be asleep in minutes.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 20:32:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 7:03 pm, frank ross <f...@net.net > wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Dene wrote:
>
> >> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>
> >> Rob,
>
> >> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>
> >> -Greg
>
> > Pretty obvious, isn't it!
>
> LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
> suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
> Frank Ross
Guilty Francis.
Took the day off, played on my new boat, and thought about your true
identity all day long. I will be absolutely miserable until the
mystery of your personna is solved.
Please help. My life is soooo empty.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 22:44:53
From: frank ross
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Dene wrote:
> On 19, 7:03 pm, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Dene wrote:
>>>> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>>>> -Greg
>>> Pretty obvious, isn't it!
>> LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
>> suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
>> Frank Ross
>
> Guilty Francis.
>
> Took the day off, played on my new boat, and thought about your true
> identity all day long. I will be absolutely miserable until the
> mystery of your personna is solved.
>
> Please help. My life is soooo empty.
>
> -Greg
>
This should make you feel better; there's only one n in persona, one o
in so, and I am who I say I am. :-)
Frank Ross
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 19:50:39
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 10:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net > wrote:
> Birdie Bill wrote:
> > On 19, 2:45 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
> >> When have I ever shot 106???
>
> >> I've been playing golf since 1977 and I have never shot over 100 in any
> >> round I've played.
>
> > I know guys like you exist, but I can't relate to that at all. It's
> > been
> > a while since I've shot over 100, but I remember many scores over
> > 100 when I first started playing. I think that is typical of most
> > people.
>
> > What do you suppose was different for you to allow you to just
> > skip right past that stage? Athletic talent? Early lessons? Playing
> > with good players from the start? Did you have an easy course
> > to begin on? Did you know and apply all the rules right from the
> > beginning?
>
> It may be the Frostback syndrome. Remembering events as you wished they
> had happened. That's one absent minded professor. :-)
Don't get me wrong, I believe Ringer. I've heard of pros that shot in
the
70s the first time they played. I'd just like to know how that
happens.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 22:56:21
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote
>
> Don't get me wrong, I believe Ringer. I've heard of
> pros that shot in the 70s the first time they played.
> I'd just like to know how that happens.
Oh hell. I shot in the 70s the first time I played golf. And I'll bet you
did, too.
We just didn't stop there. Instead, we went ahead and finished the round.
Randy
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 02:35:01
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Dene wrote:
> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>
> -Greg
Pretty obvious, isn't it!
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 22:03:51
From: frank ross
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
>
> Dene wrote:
>
>> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>>
>> -Greg
>
> Pretty obvious, isn't it!
>
>
LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
Frank Ross
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 23:09:56
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"frank ross" <fross@net.net > wrote in message
news:569191F28b93qU1@mid.individual.net...
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Dene wrote:
>>
>>> On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> $50 says Francis is Google-Al.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>
>> Pretty obvious, isn't it!
>>
>>
> LOL. Neither of you have a clue Everything is a plot, lie, or a
> suspicious intrigue. Maybe because that's the way you run your lives.
> Frank Ross
In RobWorld, everything is about Rob.
Randy
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:23:35
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 8:37 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> As R&B pointed out to me..... seeing someone play one time does not give a
> good indication of playing ability. You and I played one time in Calhoun. If
> I recall correctly, I shot about 84 or 85 when you and I played. You had (I
> think I'm right about this) an 81 or 82. Does that mean I'm assistant pro
> material? No, it means we both played like crap that day. As a matter of
> fact, Annika shot 40 on the front 9 and I had a triple bogey on 9 for a 39.
> I beat him and you on the front 9. That doesn't mean I'm better. It means
> for that 9 holes I played better at that time. The back 9 was another story.
> Annika shot par and I was "Rand McNally".
>
> I'm sure you play much better than that, just as I do and just as Laville
> does. However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine Instructor
> that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks he does).
>
> If I were going to give swing advice, I would make sure I had the game to
> back it up to put some validity in what was being taught.
>
> I know that Tiger swings way to hard with the driver and pushes the ball
> because of it. Who am I to tell him what he he is doing wrong until I can
> beat the SOB.
>
> I don't claim to be better than Laville, but for a "golf instructor" he
> plays like shit.
>
> I would love to have a "grudge" match against Laville. I don't that would
> happen because I'd probably beat the dumbass punk with a sand wedge up side
> his head before we made the turn. (Probably on the first hole)
>
Didn't you and David play just once together? If so, you have made
some astounding conclusions about his game, on the basis of one round.
-Greg
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 02:19:53
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19 2007 10:23:35 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>Didn't you and David play just once together? If so, you have made
>some astounding conclusions about his game, on the basis of one round.
Randy and I have played at least half a dozen times.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 00:17:01
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote ...
>
>>Didn't you and David play just once together? If so, you have made
>>some astounding conclusions about his game, on the basis of one round.
> On 19 2007 10:23:35 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Randy and I have played at least half a dozen times.
Indeed we have, and it's been a pleasure each time to see someone who can
actually swing the golf club who knows what he's doing.
I've never seen a putting exhibition quite like the one David put on during
the practice round at RSG-MEMPHIS '99. I'm sure Ken Pitts, who played with
us that day, would agree. Sadly for David, I believe he used up all his
good putting for....oh....the next five years or so.
David and I have played golf together a few other times together here in
Atlanta, both at informal rounds that surrounded the official rounds at
RSG-ATLANTA events, and once at a little event that Eric Strulowitz put
together here in Atlanta. I don't recall with 100% certainty, but I believe
we were in the same group with Rob Hamilton at the RTJ Trail outside
Montgomery when Gaines Nichols hosted a rain-shortened RSG event. Each time
I've seen David play, his ball-striking was superb. However, ever since
that lights-out putting round in Memphis, I have not seen him score quite as
well. Putting has a way of having that effect.
The boy can play.
Randy
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 08:22:22
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Wed, 21 2007 00:17:01 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>David and I have played golf together a few other times together here in
>Atlanta, both at informal rounds that surrounded the official rounds at
>RSG-ATLANTA events,
Yep -- that was you, me, David, and Ken Pitts.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:20:16
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 7:09 am, frank ross <f...@net.net > wrote:
Rob,
$50 says Francis is Google-Al.
-Greg
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:53:09
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 2:45 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> When have I ever shot 106???
>
> I've been playing golf since 1977 and I have never shot over 100 in any
> round I've played.
I know guys like you exist, but I can't relate to that at all. It's
been
a while since I've shot over 100, but I remember many scores over
100 when I first started playing. I think that is typical of most
people.
What do you suppose was different for you to allow you to just
skip right past that stage? Athletic talent? Early lessons? Playing
with good players from the start? Did you have an easy course
to begin on? Did you know and apply all the rules right from the
beginning?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:09:52
From: frank ross
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> On 19, 2:45 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
>> When have I ever shot 106???
>>
>> I've been playing golf since 1977 and I have never shot over 100 in any
>> round I've played.
>
> I know guys like you exist, but I can't relate to that at all. It's
> been
> a while since I've shot over 100, but I remember many scores over
> 100 when I first started playing. I think that is typical of most
> people.
>
> What do you suppose was different for you to allow you to just
> skip right past that stage? Athletic talent? Early lessons? Playing
> with good players from the start? Did you have an easy course
> to begin on? Did you know and apply all the rules right from the
> beginning?
>
It may be the Frostback syndrome. Remembering events as you wished they
had happened. That's one absent minded professor. :-)
Frank Ross
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:45:10
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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On 18, 8:04 pm, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Yo Randino, how much time did you kill penning your 5th verbose post
> on the topic?
>
> "(I'll let others with more time to kill go Google the original thread
> to referesh my
> memory about the specific yardage and club involved)"
>
> If killing time were a crime, Randy, you'd be on death row.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No offense Randy but that's dang funny!
-Greg
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:27:33
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1174279510.689143.34210@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 18, 8:04 pm, "Ben." <komb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yo Randino, how much time did you kill penning your 5th verbose post
>> on the topic?
>>
>> "(I'll let others with more time to kill go Google the original thread
>> to referesh my
>> memory about the specific yardage and club involved)"
>>
>> If killing time were a crime, Randy, you'd be on death row.- Hide quoted
>> text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No offense Randy but that's dang funny!
>
> -Greg
Yes, it is.
Randy
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:04:12
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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On 18, 8:34 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <D...@att.net> wrote
>
>
>
> > Of course my point att the time was fool commentators
> > exaggerating the event, which is done in golf more than
> > any other sport because there are so many commentators
> > in golf who know little to nothing about golf.
>
> Your comments at that time were about the television commentators covering
> the Buick Invitational at Torrey Pines, which would specifically refer to
> the commentators on CBS-TV, which covered that event at the time.
>
> Let's compare how their "little to nothing" knowledge about golf compares to
> your own.
>
> At the time of the event in question where the comments made about Tiger's
> shot under the trees at Torrey Pines brought a shitstorm of criticism from
> you, the CBS golf commentators were:
>
> Lanny Wadkins -- A stellar career on the PGA TOUR, spanning over 20 years.
> 21-time winner on the PGA TOUR, ranking him T21st on the TOUR's all time
> victories list. Winner of the PGA Championship and The PLAYERS
> Championship, not to mention a couple of "Tournament of Champions" events.
>
> Bobby Clampett - A one-time winner on the PGA TOUR with 33 career Top-10
> finishes over a 20-year PGA TOUR career. A fine amateur career, which
> included winning the 1978 and 1980 California State Amateur Championship.
> Low amateur at the 1978 US Open. Three-time All-American at Brigham Young.
> Two-time winner of the Fred Haskins Award, presented to the top collegiate
> player. Became the youngest player in history to exceed $500,000 in career
> earnings on the PGA TOUR.
>
> Peter Kostis - World-renowned golf instructor who has been a member of the
> Golf Digest teaching staff for over 20 years. Instructor for many TOUR
> professionals, a few of which are Bernhard Langer, k Calcavecchia and
> Steve Elkington, collectively responsible for a total of five major
> championship titles, not to mention around 80 more titles on the PGA TOUR
> and European Tour. Under the tutelage of Kostis, one of his students,
> Calcavecchia, set the all-time PGA TOUR scoring record for 72 holes,
> breaking a k that had stood for 46 years.
>
> Gary McCord - Two-time All-American at the University of
> California-Riverside. A member of the 1970 College Division II Championship
> team before turning pro in 1971. Twice a runner-up on the PGA TOUR, with
> just under two dozen Top-10 finishes on the PGA TOUR. A multiple winner on
> the Champions TOUR.
>
> David Feherty - A five-time winner on the European Tour, twice finishing in
> the Top 10 on the European Tour's Order of Merit. A winner of over
> $3-million on both the European Tour and PGA TOUR. Best finish on the PGA
> TOUR was 2nd at the '94 New England Classic. Represented Ireland numerous
> times in international competition, and captained the victorious 1970 Alfred
> Dunhill Cup team. A member of the European Team at the 1991 Ryder Cup
> matches. T6 at the 1989 British Open.
>
> Jim Nantz - Even Nantz -- a broadcaster, not a golfer -- played on the
> University of Houston golf team with future professionals Fred Couples and
> Blaine McCallister while majoring in broadcasting.
>
> Those are the credentials of the CBS golf announce team.
>
> Now, let's examine your credentials:
>
> Rob Hamilton - Owns golf clubs, and has even been known to build them. Is
> an avid recreational golfer. Has never shot an 18-hole round of par or
> better in his life, and would be lucky to break 100 on a TOUR course under
> tournament conditions. Has, in fact, never even set foot on a TOUR course
> under tournament conditions. A frequent poster to RSG. Considers Tiger
> Woods "overrated." Believes that certain shots Tiger has hit in
> professional competition, which evoked words of praise from seasoned TOUR
> professionals-turned-commentators, to be shots he "could do repeatedly."
> The most prestigious golf tournaments he has entered had the letters RSG in
> their name.
>
> Yes, Rob, there's no denying it. Your vast experience and knowledge about
> the highest levels of competitive golf, borne out of all your years
> struggling to break 80 (or 90) at the local municipal courses in and around
> Jackson, Mississippi qualifies you as an authority to pass judgement on how
> the announcers on CBS-TV's golf coverage know "little to nothing" about
> golf. As it should be plainly evident to anyone who reads this and has a
> lick of sense, we should all believe what you have to say about competitive
> golf at the highest level before placing an ounce of credibility on what the
> CBS announce crew has to say on the subject.
>
> Sorry, Rob, but you've just been outed as the quack you are.
>
> Not that anyone didn't already know it.
>
> Randy
Yo Randino, how much time did you kill penning your 5th verbose post
on the topic?
"(I'll let others with more time to kill go Google the original thread
to referesh my
memory about the specific yardage and club involved)"
If killing time were a crime, Randy, you'd be on death row.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 18:58:23
From:
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18, 6:33 pm, "The_Professor" <d...@att.net > wrote:
> On 18, 5:07 pm, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > Bobby Knight wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
> > > > <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> > > > ><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> > > > >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> > > > >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> > > > >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> > > > >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> > > > >>water.
>
> > > > >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> > > > >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
> > > > >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> > > > >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> > > > >TB-8982
>
> > > > It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> > > > water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> > > > green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> > > > the putt.
>
> > > > Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
> > > > tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
> > > > announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
> > > > at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> > > > was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
> > > > --
>
> > > I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
> > > are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
> > could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
> > I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well Bi Gold, you think a low spinner is a tough shot and I don't. I
> guess we'll both have to live with that. I think just about anyone
> here could hit a low spinner 185 if they worked on it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Where in the hell have I said anything about what I think about a low
spinner? All I did was show what you said a while back. This shows how
you try to spin any and everything.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 18:26:09
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On 18, 8:08 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 2007 18:26:10 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>
>
>
>
>
> <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
> >Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
> >: On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
> >: <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >:
> >:>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> >:><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
> >:>
> >:>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> >:>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> >:>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> >:>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> >:>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> >:>>water.
> >:>
> >:>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> >:>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
> >:
> >: It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> >: water.
>
> >Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
> >at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
> >water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
> >all).
>
> >: He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> >: green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> >: the putt.
>
> >The rest of this meshes with my recollection well.
>
> We're not arguing about the 6 iron out of the bunker over water then
> making the putt to win the tournament, are we?
Nope. That was the 2000 Canadian Open. A 213 yard 6 ron out of a
trap. Different shot, different toonamint.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:51:07
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18 2007 18:26:09 -0700, "Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On 18, 8:08 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 2007 18:26:10 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>> >Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> >: On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
>> >: <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >:
>> >:>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> >:><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>> >:>
>> >:>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>> >:>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>> >:>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>> >:>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>> >:>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>> >:>>water.
>> >:>
>> >:>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
>> >:>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>> >:
>> >: It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
>> >: water.
>>
>> >Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
>> >at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
>> >water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
>> >all).
>>
>> >: He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
>> >: green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
>> >: the putt.
>>
>> >The rest of this meshes with my recollection well.
>>
>> We're not arguing about the 6 iron out of the bunker over water then
>> making the putt to win the tournament, are we?
>
>Nope. That was the 2000 Canadian Open. A 213 yard 6 ron out of a
>trap. Different shot, different toonamint.
Ah, crap. I could make that shot.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 16:53:23
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On 18, 1:26 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>
> : On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville: <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> :
> :>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\"":><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>
> :>
> :>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> :>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> :>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> :>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> :>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> :>>water.
> :>
> :>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> :>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
> :
> : It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> : water.
>
> Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
> at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
> water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
> all).
No. Definitely left rough, and definitely not 18. Possibly the 14th,
but not 18. No water, it was slightly uphill, as well. The South
18th is slightly downhill if anything.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:18:06
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
Ben. <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
: On 18, 1:26 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
: > Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
: >
: > : On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville: <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >
: > :
: > :>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\"":><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
: >
: > :>
: > :>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
: > :>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
: > :>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
: > :>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
: > :>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
: > :>>water.
: > :>
: > :>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
: > :>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
: > :
: > : It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
: > : water.
: >
: > Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
: > at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
: > water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
: > all).
:
: No. Definitely left rough, and definitely not 18. Possibly the 14th,
: but not 18. No water, it was slightly uphill, as well. The South
: 18th is slightly downhill if anything.
OK, I'm thinking of a different shot, then, because Tiger has
definitely hit a fairly astounding shot out of the trees on
the right over the water and onto the 18th green to nail down
a victory there.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 16:33:28
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On 18, 5:07 pm, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> > > On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
> > > <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> > > ><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> > > >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> > > >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> > > >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> > > >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> > > >>water.
>
> > > >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> > > >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
> > > >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> > > >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> > > >TB-8982
>
> > > It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> > > water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> > > green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> > > the putt.
>
> > > Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
> > > tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
> > > announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
> > > at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> > > was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
> > > --
>
> > I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
> > are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
> could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
> I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well Bi Gold, you think a low spinner is a tough shot and I don't. I
guess we'll both have to live with that. I think just about anyone
here could hit a low spinner 185 if they worked on it.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 16:22:50
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On 18, 5:18 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 18 2007 15:07:51 -0700, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> >> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
> >> are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
> >could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
> >I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
>
> Correct quote. Now I don't have to google! :-)
> --
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 23:33:49
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On 18 2007 16:22:50 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>On 18, 5:18 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On 18 2007 15:07:51 -0700, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>> >> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
>> >> are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
>> >could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
>> >I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
>>
>> Correct quote. Now I don't have to google! :-)
>> "Someone likes every shot"!
>> bk
>
>A correct quote from this thread, you said:
>
>"It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
>water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
>green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and
>made
>the putt.
>
>TW stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
>was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off."
>
>So what?
>
Wrong again. Tiger never said that. You did.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 00:24:02
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 18 2007 16:22:50 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >On 18, 5:18 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
> >> On 18 2007 15:07:51 -0700, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> >> >> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
> >> >> are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >>
> >> >On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
> >> >could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
> >> >I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
> >>
> >> Correct quote. Now I don't have to google! :-)
>
> >> "Someone likes every shot"!
> >> bk
> >
> >A correct quote from this thread, you said:
> >
> >"It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> >water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> >green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and
> >made
> >the putt.
> >
> >TW stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> >was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off."
> >
> >So what?
> >
> Wrong again. Tiger never said that. You did.
I quoted you, not Tiger. I, of course, am not so fully aware of every word that Tiger
Woods has uttered that I could make any absolute statements with respect to what he may
or may not have said, so you may be right about Tiger....but then again, you may be
wrong...as far as I know.
Of course claiming one can hit a given shot repeatedly and claiming one can hit a shot on
demand are two different things; but that's not an issue with you is it? How about
something more outlandish! I can hit shots with a driver that will carry 220+ quite
repeatedly, but I can't do it on demand! Figure that one out! Worse yet, if I managed to
hit a chip from deep, thick tour style rough from the short side to a tight pin on a
quick green to a foot from the hole, I doubt I could repeat it in my lifetime...but I
beleive I could repeatedly hit a low spinner 185 from a grassy lie in the woods, although
perhaps not as easily as I could in 2003. Age happens, you know!
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:21:10
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On Mon, 19 2007 00:24:02 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> On 18 2007 16:22:50 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>> >TW stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
>> >was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off."
>> >
>> >So what?
>> >
>> Wrong again. Tiger never said that. You did.
>
>I quoted you, not Tiger. I, of course, am not so fully aware of every word that Tiger
>Woods has uttered that I could make any absolute statements with respect to what he may
>or may not have said, so you may be right about Tiger....but then again, you may be
>wrong...as far as I know.
>
>Of course claiming one can hit a given shot repeatedly and claiming one can hit a shot on
>demand are two different things; but that's not an issue with you is it? How about
>something more outlandish! I can hit shots with a driver that will carry 220+ quite
>repeatedly, but I can't do it on demand! Figure that one out! Worse yet, if I managed to
>hit a chip from deep, thick tour style rough from the short side to a tight pin on a
>quick green to a foot from the hole, I doubt I could repeat it in my lifetime...but I
>beleive I could repeatedly hit a low spinner 185 from a grassy lie in the woods, although
>perhaps not as easily as I could in 2003. Age happens, you know!
>
>
Bigoldcat cited your quote:
On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
You just can't spin out of this.
Pick a year...you still couldn't do it at any age.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 03:43:33
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Mon, 19 2007 00:24:02 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 2007 16:22:50 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> >TW stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> >> >was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off."
> >> >
> >> >So what?
> >> >
> >> Wrong again. Tiger never said that. You did.
> >
> >I quoted you, not Tiger. I, of course, am not so fully aware of every word that Tiger
> >Woods has uttered that I could make any absolute statements with respect to what he may
> >or may not have said, so you may be right about Tiger....but then again, you may be
> >wrong...as far as I know.
> >
> >Of course claiming one can hit a given shot repeatedly and claiming one can hit a shot on
> >demand are two different things; but that's not an issue with you is it? How about
> >something more outlandish! I can hit shots with a driver that will carry 220+ quite
> >repeatedly, but I can't do it on demand! Figure that one out! Worse yet, if I managed to
> >hit a chip from deep, thick tour style rough from the short side to a tight pin on a
> >quick green to a foot from the hole, I doubt I could repeat it in my lifetime...but I
> >beleive I could repeatedly hit a low spinner 185 from a grassy lie in the woods, although
> >perhaps not as easily as I could in 2003. Age happens, you know!
> >
> >
>
> Bigoldcat cited your quote:
> On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
> could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
> I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
>
> You just can't spin out of this.
>
> Pick a year...you still couldn't do it at any age.
>
I'll pick 2003. I beleive that I could hit a 185 yard low spinner out of a grassy lie in the
woods. No spin there. No claim that I could make the shot on demand either. Of course I don't
need to make some political issue out of what other people post here and then try to belittle
them.
You are of course free to comment as you will, but again, IMHO, your opinions are simply
trollish and little more than comic relief. The need you have to belittle other people is
exceptionally pathetic, but in a humorous sort of way. You, Greer, Dalecki and a few others
have been this way since you came here, and people like Llarry deliberately bait you, and you
take the bait, which is hilarious. You jump on people like me for making honest comment. So be
it, but don't expect me to take it too seriously; it's just comic relief to me. I am in no way
responsible to you for my comment. This is the last time you will get anything reasonable back
from me on such issues, FWIW. If you want to talk honestly about golf, I'll take you
seriously. You and these others have more or less ruined this newsgroup because people are
afraid to make legitimate comment, but if that's the way it is, so be it. No skin off any part
of my body.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 13:42:41
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
|
On Mon, 19 2007 03:43:33 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
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>Bobby Knight wrote:
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>> On Mon, 19 2007 00:24:02 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>> wrote:
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>> >
>> >
>> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>> Bigoldcat cited your quote:
>> On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
>> could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
>> I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
>>
>> You just can't spin out of this.
>>
>> Pick a year...you still couldn't do it at any age.
>>
>
>I'll pick 2003. I beleive that I could hit a 185 yard low spinner out of a grassy lie in the
>woods. No spin there. No claim that I could make the shot on demand either. Of course I don't
>need to make some political issue out of what other people post here and then try to belittle
>them.
>
Damn Rob. Are you senile? Can't you read, and remember, what you
said. Bigoldcat has your direct quote (above) and you have the
effrontery to say that you didn't make such a claim? You're making a
fool of yourself all over again.
<clip >
> You jump on people like me for making honest comment.
An honest comment? See the word "repeatedly" in your quote above and
tell me that it was honest, and not a windbag's overblown ego talking.
>So be it, but don't expect me to take it too seriously; it's just comic relief to me. I am in no way
>responsible to you for my comment. This is the last time you will get anything reasonable back
>from me on such issues, FWIW.
The word "reasonable" should never leave your mouth Rob.
> If you want to talk honestly about golf, I'll take you seriously. You and these others have more or less ruined this newsgroup because people are
>afraid to make legitimate comment, but if that's the way it is, so be it. No skin off any part
>of my body.
>
I take it that means you're leaving again? LOL
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:33:08
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18, 4:05 pm, greenkeeper
<greenkee...@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> In message <45FD6622.92475...@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net>
> writes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >\"R&B\" wrote:
>
> >> "Robert Hamilton" wrote ...
> >> > So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> >> > up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> >> > closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> >> > green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> >> > the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
> >> > Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> >> > iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> >> > can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> >> > can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> >> > only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> >> > glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
> >> > BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> >> > that!
>
> >> Rob, let's get your facts straight. I've never said a low shot out of
> >> ankle-deep rough couldn't be achieved by anyone but Tiger Woods. I've
> >> never, ever said that. Neither has Tex, Mike, or glfnaz.
>
> >> In point of fact, when hitting out of ankle-deep rough, I'd say it's
> >> generally easier to get a ball to come out low than it is to hit a high shot
> >> over a tree out of rough that deep. (And that's not taking anything away
> >> from David Laville's shot; I'm sure he hit a fine one, as he's perfectly
> >> capable of doing so.)
>
> >> But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> >> this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> >> tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> >> this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> >> could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> >> water. And you claimed that you could do it, easily, on command, any time
> >> you needed to. I said you couldn't.
>
> >No I didn't. I said I could make it. The only real claim I made with respect to
> >myself was that I could make that 186 yard shot with a 7W Woods made more often
> >than Tex could break 80 at Dancing Rabbit. My real claim was that any good
> >player could make that kind of shot. Grass doesn't grow well in the woods for 2
> >reasons; not enough light and grass doesn't like acidic soil. All people like
> >you really show me with your statements on the issue is how little real direcvt
> >experience you have with what kinds of shots people can and cannot make.
>
> How acid do you mean?
>
I don't understand the vagueness of your question. I suppose different
grasses have different ranges of soil pH tolerances. I have measured
pH's in woods, and they are usually in the 4 range. I use one of those
things that looks like a spike and you shove it into the ground when
it is moist and it gives you a reading. Cost us about 100 bucks from
Forestry Suppliers. Optimal pH's for grasses I know of are alkaline in
that they are above 7.0. 15-20 yards into the woods at a course called
Torrey *PINES*, I would expect a pretty acidic soil. The soil in my
lawn under a couple of oak trees is pretty acidic, and the St.
Augustine grass greens up real nice when I throw in some lime;
although it is pretty whispy grass, and gets whispier the closer you
get to the trees, even though they get a lot of light (the lowest
branch on the trees is about 20 feet up...and there are just two
trees, with the rest being totally open).
The course where David made his shot is Bermuda, probably some
tifdwarf type given the course is fairly recent, the trees are pretty
dense there (Oaks). The grass is pretty etiolated, and the leaves are
about 6" or so long, but there is hardly what anyone would think of as
any sort of density of tillers in there, as you would expect in the
woods. In any event, the trees there are a lot less dense than what
the woods at Torrey Pines looked.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:07:51
From:
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net > wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
> > <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> > ><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>
> > >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> > >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> > >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> > >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> > >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> > >>water.
>
> > >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> > >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
> > >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> > >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> > >TB-8982
>
> > It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> > water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> > green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> > the putt.
>
> > Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
> > tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
> > announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
> > at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> > was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
> > --
>
> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
> are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 22:18:35
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18 2007 15:07:51 -0700, bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>On 18, 10:30 am, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
>> are straight up lying.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>On ch 1, 2003 a fellow calling himself "Frostback" wrote: "While I
>could make the shot that Woods made at torrey pines repeatedly, no way
>I could make the shot Woods made at 17 today."
Correct quote. Now I don't have to google! :-)
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:05:06
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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In message <45FD6622.9247541A@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
writes
>
>
>\"R&B\" wrote:
>
>> "Robert Hamilton" wrote ...
>> > So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
>> > up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
>> > closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
>> > green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
>> > the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>> >
>> > Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
>> > iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
>> > can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
>> > can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
>> > only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
>> > glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>> >
>> > BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
>> > that!
>>
>> Rob, let's get your facts straight. I've never said a low shot out of
>> ankle-deep rough couldn't be achieved by anyone but Tiger Woods. I've
>> never, ever said that. Neither has Tex, Mike, or glfnaz.
>>
>> In point of fact, when hitting out of ankle-deep rough, I'd say it's
>> generally easier to get a ball to come out low than it is to hit a high shot
>> over a tree out of rough that deep. (And that's not taking anything away
>> from David Laville's shot; I'm sure he hit a fine one, as he's perfectly
>> capable of doing so.)
>>
>> But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>> this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>> tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>> this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>> could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>> water. And you claimed that you could do it, easily, on command, any time
>> you needed to. I said you couldn't.
>
>No I didn't. I said I could make it. The only real claim I made with respect to
>myself was that I could make that 186 yard shot with a 7W Woods made more often
>than Tex could break 80 at Dancing Rabbit. My real claim was that any good
>player could make that kind of shot. Grass doesn't grow well in the woods for 2
>reasons; not enough light and grass doesn't like acidic soil. All people like
>you really show me with your statements on the issue is how little real direcvt
>experience you have with what kinds of shots people can and cannot make.
>
How acid do you mean?
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/69106107
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 09:50:43
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18, 6:16 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
>
>
>
>
>
> <dlavi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> ><noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>
> >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> >>water.
>
> >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
> >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> >TB-8982
>
> It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> the putt.
>
> Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
> tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
> announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
> at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
IIRC, he was in the left rough, had to go under some branches and over
some trees or bushes to a tight pin over a bunker. Also, I believe it
was a 4i, and was a low, rising draw...seems like I recall him
flipping his wrists extremely aggressively through impact. The
opening was minute, and there's pretty much one person on earth who
could hit that shot...much less when it counts. And it ain't The
Professor.
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 21:16:08
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45FC9F00.CA2E5104@att.net...
> So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
> Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
> BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> that!
>
Be truthful Rob.
I never said that only Tiger could hit the shot.
I said that your boast that it was an easy shot and YOU could do it all the
time was not a fact.
I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
It's a difficult shot.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 05:03:13
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sat, 17 2007 21:16:08 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
>It's a difficult shot.
I can hit the shot every time, whether or not the green will hold it
is a different story. Play the ball back off my right foot and put a
longer chip shot motion on it with angled hinging.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 09:55:11
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:svhpv2hlnliojek95etrtrqgn7dkjvbmcn@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 2007 21:16:08 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
>>It's a difficult shot.
>
> I can hit the shot every time, whether or not the green will hold it
> is a different story. Play the ball back off my right foot and put a
> longer chip shot motion on it with angled hinging.
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:15:59
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 18--2007, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net > wrote:
> Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>
> Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
I've seen you both play, tee to green David is better.
me
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:37:48
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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As R&B pointed out to me..... seeing someone play one time does not give a
good indication of playing ability. You and I played one time in Calhoun. If
I recall correctly, I shot about 84 or 85 when you and I played. You had (I
think I'm right about this) an 81 or 82. Does that mean I'm assistant pro
material? No, it means we both played like crap that day. As a matter of
fact, Annika shot 40 on the front 9 and I had a triple bogey on 9 for a 39.
I beat him and you on the front 9. That doesn't mean I'm better. It means
for that 9 holes I played better at that time. The back 9 was another story.
Annika shot par and I was "Rand McNally".
I'm sure you play much better than that, just as I do and just as Laville
does. However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine Instructor
that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks he does).
If I were going to give swing advice, I would make sure I had the game to
back it up to put some validity in what was being taught.
I know that Tiger swings way to hard with the driver and pushes the ball
because of it. Who am I to tell him what he he is doing wrong until I can
beat the SOB.
I don't claim to be better than Laville, but for a "golf instructor" he
plays like shit.
I would love to have a "grudge" match against Laville. I don't that would
happen because I'd probably beat the dumbass punk with a sand wedge up side
his head before we made the turn. (Probably on the first hole)
"Sparky" <biff@funco.com > wrote in message
news:_LqdnaKlAPOc4mPYnZ2dnUVZ_oupnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> On 18--2007, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net> wrote:
>
>> Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>>
>> Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
>
>
> I've seen you both play, tee to green David is better.
>
>
> me
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 02:21:51
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Mon, 19 2007 12:37:48 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine Instructor
>that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks he does).
Show me and RSG what I don't know. Here's your chance, go for it.
>I know that Tiger swings way to hard with the driver and pushes the ball
>because of it. Who am I to tell him what he he is doing wrong until I can
>beat the SOB.
Butch Harmon can't beat Tiger yet he was his teacher. Anymore silly
comments?
>I would love to have a "grudge" match against Laville. I don't that would
>happen because I'd probably beat the dumbass punk with a sand wedge up side
>his head before we made the turn. (Probably on the first hole)
And then he's going to huff and puff and blow my house down.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 17:28:18
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net > wrote ...
> As R&B pointed out to me..... seeing someone play one time does not give a
> good indication of playing ability. You and I played one time in Calhoun.
> If I recall correctly, I shot about 84 or 85 when you and I played. You
> had (I think I'm right about this) an 81 or 82. Does that mean I'm
> assistant pro material? No, it means we both played like crap that day. As
> a matter of fact, Annika shot 40 on the front 9 and I had a triple bogey
> on 9 for a 39. I beat him and you on the front 9. That doesn't mean I'm
> better. It means for that 9 holes I played better at that time. The back 9
> was another story. Annika shot par and I was "Rand McNally".
>
> I'm sure you play much better than that, just as I do and just as Laville
> does. However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine
> Instructor that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks he
> does).
Okay, I don't mean to be the public defender for David Laville. He's
perfectly capable of speaking on his own behalf. But I do feel compelled to
step in here and say something about this...
Though it may be hard to believe when you see me play, I actually know a
little something about the golf swing. Having spent a lot of time with some
extremely qualified teaching pros, not to mention some of the world's finest
players and best-known instructors and talked "golf swing" with them, I've
formulated quite a few ideas about the golf swing along the way.
Do I play like I know what I'm talking about? Well, sometimes yes,
sometimes no. More often than not in the last couple of years, the answer
is no. Why? Because I never practice. I've been to the driving range JUST
TO PRACTICE (not to warm up and then go play) exactly ONCE in the last four
or five years. So I don't have muscle memory. I have muscle amnesia. :-)
Does that mean I shouldn't share what knowledge I have about the golf swing?
I don't think so. When it comes to instructional information shared in a
Usenet forum, I think the watchword is always "Buyer Beware."
> If I were going to give swing advice, I would make sure I had the game to
> back it up to put some validity in what was being taught.
Why? That's like telling a football fan he shouldn't be second-guessing the
play-calling in a game he sees on TV. It goes against the DNA of the
sports-minded person.
> I know that Tiger swings way to hard with the driver and pushes the ball
> because of it. Who am I to tell him what he he is doing wrong until I can
> beat the SOB.
You can tell him. I doubt if he would listen. And therein lies the key.
If people are tuning into Usenet for golf swing instruction, is it possible
they could be any more lost? I don't think so.
> I don't claim to be better than Laville, but for a "golf instructor" he
> plays like shit.
Oh, I played with my golf instructor once, and I beat him. Does that mean
he shouldn't be telling others how to play golf? But he coached Hubert
Green to a major championship title.
Hank Haney will be the first to tell you he's not a very good player. But
evidently, he knows enough about the golf swing that Tiger Woods trusts him.
Sorry, Ringer, but your argument doesn't hold much water.
All it really reveals is a dislike for David, which is certainly your
perogative. But let's call it what it really is.
Randy
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 18:03:58
From: Alan Illeman
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 18:02:55
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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I've seen you play.... and from tee to green and short game and into the
hole.... you are MUCH better than Laville.
""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:z8GdncUK1aP_nWLYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net> wrote ...
>> As R&B pointed out to me..... seeing someone play one time does not give
>> a good indication of playing ability. You and I played one time in
>> Calhoun. If I recall correctly, I shot about 84 or 85 when you and I
>> played. You had (I think I'm right about this) an 81 or 82. Does that
>> mean I'm assistant pro material? No, it means we both played like crap
>> that day. As a matter of fact, Annika shot 40 on the front 9 and I had a
>> triple bogey on 9 for a 39. I beat him and you on the front 9. That
>> doesn't mean I'm better. It means for that 9 holes I played better at
>> that time. The back 9 was another story. Annika shot par and I was "Rand
>> McNally".
>>
>> I'm sure you play much better than that, just as I do and just as Laville
>> does. However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine
>> Instructor that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks
>> he does).
>
>
> Okay, I don't mean to be the public defender for David Laville. He's
> perfectly capable of speaking on his own behalf. But I do feel compelled
> to step in here and say something about this...
>
> Though it may be hard to believe when you see me play, I actually know a
> little something about the golf swing. Having spent a lot of time with
> some extremely qualified teaching pros, not to mention some of the world's
> finest players and best-known instructors and talked "golf swing" with
> them, I've formulated quite a few ideas about the golf swing along the
> way.
>
> Do I play like I know what I'm talking about? Well, sometimes yes,
> sometimes no. More often than not in the last couple of years, the answer
> is no. Why? Because I never practice. I've been to the driving range
> JUST TO PRACTICE (not to warm up and then go play) exactly ONCE in the
> last four or five years. So I don't have muscle memory. I have muscle
> amnesia. :-)
>
> Does that mean I shouldn't share what knowledge I have about the golf
> swing? I don't think so. When it comes to instructional information
> shared in a Usenet forum, I think the watchword is always "Buyer Beware."
>
>
>> If I were going to give swing advice, I would make sure I had the game to
>> back it up to put some validity in what was being taught.
>
>
> Why? That's like telling a football fan he shouldn't be second-guessing
> the play-calling in a game he sees on TV. It goes against the DNA of the
> sports-minded person.
>
>
>> I know that Tiger swings way to hard with the driver and pushes the ball
>> because of it. Who am I to tell him what he he is doing wrong until I can
>> beat the SOB.
>
>
> You can tell him. I doubt if he would listen. And therein lies the key.
> If people are tuning into Usenet for golf swing instruction, is it
> possible they could be any more lost? I don't think so.
>
>
>> I don't claim to be better than Laville, but for a "golf instructor" he
>> plays like shit.
>
>
> Oh, I played with my golf instructor once, and I beat him. Does that mean
> he shouldn't be telling others how to play golf? But he coached Hubert
> Green to a major championship title.
>
> Hank Haney will be the first to tell you he's not a very good player. But
> evidently, he knows enough about the golf swing that Tiger Woods trusts
> him.
>
> Sorry, Ringer, but your argument doesn't hold much water.
>
> All it really reveals is a dislike for David, which is certainly your
> perogative. But let's call it what it really is.
>
> Randy
>
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 22:55:15
From: Frank Rizzo
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Mon, 19 2007 18:02:55 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>I've seen you play.... and from tee to green and short game and into the
>hole.... you are MUCH better than Laville.
You suck than. You say R&B is better than LaVille tee to green and
others say LaVille is better than you tee to green. Da Sucker!
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 19:36:55
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Frank Rizzo" <frizzo@jerky.com > wrote in message
news:ot4uv2lr30ij1cs0g7kb0tlv000p00045u@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 2007 18:02:55 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net>
> wrote:
>
>>I've seen you play.... and from tee to green and short game and into the
>>hole.... you are MUCH better than Laville.
>
> You suck than. You say R&B is better than LaVille tee to green and
> others say LaVille is better than you tee to green. Da Sucker!
Hell, I'm better than all of you.............
.........as long as it comes down to putting.
Randy
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 16:47:58
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Mon, 19 2007 12:37:48 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>I'm sure you play much better than that, just as I do and just as Laville
>does. However, I don't claim to be some hot-shot Golfing Machine Instructor
>that thinks he knows tons about the swing (as Laville thinks he does).
>
>If I were going to give swing advice, I would make sure I had the game to
>back it up to put some validity in what was being taught.
I really don't have a dog in this hunt, but those two things aren't
mutually inclusive. There are great swing instructors who don't play
worth crap, and great players who know nothing about the swing.
>
>I don't claim to be better than Laville, but for a "golf instructor" he
>plays like shit.
>
>I would love to have a "grudge" match against Laville. I don't that would
>happen because I'd probably beat the dumbass punk with a sand wedge up side
>his head before we made the turn. (Probably on the first hole)
>
Where does all of this hatred come from? I've never known David to be
confrontational at all, and he certainly doesn't push his swing
knowledge (which is more substantial than most golfers) on any
specific person. His opinions are meant for open discussion. On two
different occasions I asked him to critique my swing, and both times
he demurred, saying that he wasn't a teacher. Only after I said that
I didn't want instructions, but just his opinion, did he help me. And
he helped me.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 05:32:45
From: Frank Rizzo
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 09:55:11 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
Perhaps I should call you Mr 106. Don't bring up the scores of others
if you don't want yours brought up.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 03:45:33
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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When have I ever shot 106???
I've been playing golf since 1977 and I have never shot over 100 in any
round I've played.
Last year I played about 5 rounds. The last round I played if I made a 10 on
the last hole I would have broke 100 for the first time. As luck would have
it I hit a nice 6 iron into the 18th, 2 putted for par and ended up with a
94. That was the worst round I ever remember playing. It was also cold,
rainy and windy on a monster golf course.
So........ take the 106 somewhere else.
"Frank Rizzo" <frizzo@jerky.com > wrote in message
news:tq7sv25t5pit82blk4ltuore79co01he9u@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 09:55:11 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>
> Perhaps I should call you Mr 106. Don't bring up the scores of others
> if you don't want yours brought up.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:50:18
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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In fairness to David, I've seen him play a helluva lot better than he did at
RSG-ATLANTA. I know quite well that he's a fine player, and an excellent
ball-striker when he's had the chance to practice and keep his game sharp.
Everybody has bad days (even bad weeks or months), and theres no debate that
David didn't bring his "A" game to Atlanta the weekend you saw him play
here.
Heck, I've even seen David putt and make everything he looked at --
something he'd be the first to tell you was a complete anomoly. But I saw
it happen with my own eyes one day in Memphis, on a course he'd never laid
eyes on before. I've also seen him struggle to make a single 4-footer in an
entire round. I'm inclined to believe that the "real" Laville putting
stroke lies somewhere in between the two extremes. One thing I'm sure of is
that living in New Orleans, where the greens (before Katrina) were slow,
bumpy bermuda, couldn't have done much to prepare him for the slick, quick,
undulating bentgrass greens in Memphis and Atlanta. Likewise, I'm sure
anyone whose stroke was tuned to the greens around these parts would
struggle mightily on the shag carpet-like surfaces David has putted on for
years in New Orleans. (And lord knows what they're like now in the
post-Katrina era.)
But to sarcastically describe David as "Mister 96" is patently unfair, and
it misrepresents his true abilities.
Randy
"Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net > wrote in message
news:6xbLh.7$JR4.4@newsfe02.lga...
> Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>
> Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
>
>
> "David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:svhpv2hlnliojek95etrtrqgn7dkjvbmcn@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 2007 21:16:08 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
>>>It's a difficult shot.
>>
>> I can hit the shot every time, whether or not the green will hold it
>> is a different story. Play the ball back off my right foot and put a
>> longer chip shot motion on it with angled hinging.
>>
>>
>> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>> TB-8982
>
>
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:28:32
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Out of respect for you, I will acknowledge your point as well taken.
""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:-5WdnYN8fOhzCmDYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In fairness to David, I've seen him play a helluva lot better than he did
> at RSG-ATLANTA. I know quite well that he's a fine player, and an
> excellent ball-striker when he's had the chance to practice and keep his
> game sharp. Everybody has bad days (even bad weeks or months), and theres
> no debate that David didn't bring his "A" game to Atlanta the weekend you
> saw him play here.
>
> Heck, I've even seen David putt and make everything he looked at --
> something he'd be the first to tell you was a complete anomoly. But I saw
> it happen with my own eyes one day in Memphis, on a course he'd never laid
> eyes on before. I've also seen him struggle to make a single 4-footer in
> an entire round. I'm inclined to believe that the "real" Laville putting
> stroke lies somewhere in between the two extremes. One thing I'm sure of
> is that living in New Orleans, where the greens (before Katrina) were
> slow, bumpy bermuda, couldn't have done much to prepare him for the slick,
> quick, undulating bentgrass greens in Memphis and Atlanta. Likewise, I'm
> sure anyone whose stroke was tuned to the greens around these parts would
> struggle mightily on the shag carpet-like surfaces David has putted on for
> years in New Orleans. (And lord knows what they're like now in the
> post-Katrina era.)
>
> But to sarcastically describe David as "Mister 96" is patently unfair, and
> it misrepresents his true abilities.
>
> Randy
>
>
> "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net> wrote in message
> news:6xbLh.7$JR4.4@newsfe02.lga...
>> Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>>
>> Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
>>
>>
>> "David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:svhpv2hlnliojek95etrtrqgn7dkjvbmcn@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 2007 21:16:08 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
>>>>It's a difficult shot.
>>>
>>> I can hit the shot every time, whether or not the green will hold it
>>> is a different story. Play the ball back off my right foot and put a
>>> longer chip shot motion on it with angled hinging.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>>> TB-8982
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 17:40:13
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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John,
David's a good guy, too. I know things went awry between you guys
at Atlanta but maybe it's time write that off as one of those things
that happen and let it go. I know you're a fine player and that you
were well received in Atlanta as well, so I hope you will take this
with all intended respect. But look around -- David is well liked
and well respected by a wide cross-section of people here. He does
have a strong personality, though, as do you, and sometimes the
combination can be combustible. Shit happens.
Cheers,
cb
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
Da Ringer <DaRinger@home.net > wrote:
: Out of respect for you, I will acknowledge your point as well taken.
:
:
: ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
: news:-5WdnYN8fOhzCmDYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@giganews.com...
: > In fairness to David, I've seen him play a helluva lot better than he did
: > at RSG-ATLANTA. I know quite well that he's a fine player, and an
: > excellent ball-striker when he's had the chance to practice and keep his
: > game sharp. Everybody has bad days (even bad weeks or months), and theres
: > no debate that David didn't bring his "A" game to Atlanta the weekend you
: > saw him play here.
: >
: > Heck, I've even seen David putt and make everything he looked at --
: > something he'd be the first to tell you was a complete anomoly. But I saw
: > it happen with my own eyes one day in Memphis, on a course he'd never laid
: > eyes on before. I've also seen him struggle to make a single 4-footer in
: > an entire round. I'm inclined to believe that the "real" Laville putting
: > stroke lies somewhere in between the two extremes. One thing I'm sure of
: > is that living in New Orleans, where the greens (before Katrina) were
: > slow, bumpy bermuda, couldn't have done much to prepare him for the slick,
: > quick, undulating bentgrass greens in Memphis and Atlanta. Likewise, I'm
: > sure anyone whose stroke was tuned to the greens around these parts would
: > struggle mightily on the shag carpet-like surfaces David has putted on for
: > years in New Orleans. (And lord knows what they're like now in the
: > post-Katrina era.)
: >
: > But to sarcastically describe David as "Mister 96" is patently unfair, and
: > it misrepresents his true abilities.
: >
: > Randy
: >
: >
: > "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net> wrote in message
: > news:6xbLh.7$JR4.4@newsfe02.lga...
: >> Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
: >>
: >> Thanks for the laugh. You are so full of shit.
: >>
: >>
: >> "David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
: >> news:svhpv2hlnliojek95etrtrqgn7dkjvbmcn@4ax.com...
: >>> On Sat, 17 2007 21:16:08 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
: >>> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>>I'm sure David has thar shot, sometimes.
: >>>>It's a difficult shot.
: >>>
: >>> I can hit the shot every time, whether or not the green will hold it
: >>> is a different story. Play the ball back off my right foot and put a
: >>> longer chip shot motion on it with angled hinging.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
: >>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
: >>> TB-8982
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
:
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:22:57
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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\"R&B\" wrote:
> In fairness to David, I've seen him play a helluva lot better than he did at
> RSG-ATLANTA. I know quite well that he's a fine player, and an excellent
> ball-striker when he's had the chance to practice and keep his game sharp.
> Everybody has bad days (even bad weeks or months), and theres no debate that
> David didn't bring his "A" game to Atlanta the weekend you saw him play
> here.
snippit...
I've seen both of them play. They are pretty equivalent. John has a better short
game but David is a better ball striker.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:33:50
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Actually my short game and putting usually sucks.
When you and I played in Calhoun, my driving was pretty decent, but I had
trouble with the irons pushing to the right and ending up about a club
short.
"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45FDAB46.1DCF5957@att.net...
>
>
> \"R&B\" wrote:
>
>> In fairness to David, I've seen him play a helluva lot better than he did
>> at
>> RSG-ATLANTA. I know quite well that he's a fine player, and an excellent
>> ball-striker when he's had the chance to practice and keep his game
>> sharp.
>> Everybody has bad days (even bad weeks or months), and theres no debate
>> that
>> David didn't bring his "A" game to Atlanta the weekend you saw him play
>> here.
>
> snippit...
>
> I've seen both of them play. They are pretty equivalent. John has a better
> short
> game but David is a better ball striker.
>
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:45:20
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 09:55:11 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
When I played in Atlanta I had a bad round. Probably because I got
tired looking at the sour puss look on your face and constantly
hearing how much of a better golfer you were after every shot. It's
not the first bad round I ever had and it won't be the last. I have
shot in the 70's many times at RSG events, including a 76 with -1 on
the back side at RSG Wisconsin. But the only thing you can do is
constantly bring up one bad round I had 8+ years ago.
Dude, get a life and move on. The fact you hang on to and can only
bring up one bad round I had shows you have a serious problem.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:19:26
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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I don't have a problem.
Get your dyslexic head out of your ass. We played together 5 years ago, not
8+. Learn how to add dumbass.
I've shot 65 on 7 different occasions. When we played I shot 84. What the
fuck is your point? You still suck.
I saw you take 4 or 5 shots to get out of a greenside creek and you say you
can blade a ball out of the rough and under tree limbs on demand? You are a
delusional dumbass. Pros can't do that everytime.
"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:bknqv2pnvjpkvnqo8qasvgppvdmveccvrj@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 09:55:11 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Mr 96 says he can hit that shot everytime???
>
> When I played in Atlanta I had a bad round. Probably because I got
> tired looking at the sour puss look on your face and constantly
> hearing how much of a better golfer you were after every shot. It's
> not the first bad round I ever had and it won't be the last. I have
> shot in the 70's many times at RSG events, including a 76 with -1 on
> the back side at RSG Wisconsin. But the only thing you can do is
> constantly bring up one bad round I had 8+ years ago.
>
> Dude, get a life and move on. The fact you hang on to and can only
> bring up one bad round I had shows you have a serious problem.
>
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 02:19:33
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 21:19:26 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>I don't have a problem.
>
>Get your dyslexic head out of your ass. We played together 5 years ago, not
>8+. Learn how to add dumbass.
Sorry, it seemed that long ago. Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist
about that anger problem.
>I've shot 65 on 7 different occasions.
Yea right, next you'll be telling us you saw the tooth fairy too.
>I saw you take 4 or 5 shots to get out of a greenside creek
A creek? What creek was that? Now you're being silly.
>and you say you
>can blade a ball out of the rough and under tree limbs on demand? You are a
>delusional dumbass. Pros can't do that everytime.
I can, it's a simple shot and the pros can do it every time. It's
difficult for a hack like you that's why you think it's impossible.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 00:00:10
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Robert Hamilton" wrote ...
> So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
> Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
> BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> that!
Rob, let's get your facts straight. I've never said a low shot out of
ankle-deep rough couldn't be achieved by anyone but Tiger Woods. I've
never, ever said that. Neither has Tex, Mike, or glfnaz.
In point of fact, when hitting out of ankle-deep rough, I'd say it's
generally easier to get a ball to come out low than it is to hit a high shot
over a tree out of rough that deep. (And that's not taking anything away
from David Laville's shot; I'm sure he hit a fine one, as he's perfectly
capable of doing so.)
But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
water. And you claimed that you could do it, easily, on command, any time
you needed to. I said you couldn't. Not from 190 with a 6-iron. Not on
command, as you claimed. Not under the pressure of having a tournament on
the line as you claimed. Not on your life.
I stand by what I said. Not by what your revisionist memory now erroneously
claims that I said.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that you couldn't drop 100 balls and
hit a single one out of ankle deep TOUR-thick rough with a 6-iron, avoiding
tree limbs that overhanging 30 yards in front of you, get the ball to stay
in the air and carry a greenside water hazard, and still get the ball to
check up and stay on a green stimping at TOUR speeds from 190 yards away
with something significant riding on the outcome as Tiger did that day.
That's what you said you could do. Easily. On command.
There's not a chance in hell you could do it, hitting the ball high, low or
through your ass.
Not then. Not now. Not ever.
Randy
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:33:42
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19, 8:42 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> Damn Rob. Are you senile? Can't you read, and remember, what you
> said. Bigoldcat has your direct quote (above) and you have the
> effrontery to say that you didn't make such a claim? You're making a
> fool of yourself all over again.
Call it what you will. I can hit a 185 yard low spinner repeatedly but
I can't hit it on command. The obvious fact that you can't understand
this suggests you, not I have comprehension issues. It's the
difference between a person who can get something right vs a person
who doesn't get it wrong. I can make 5 foot putts repeatedly but I
can't make them on command...but you don't get it...you never do......
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:46:12
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On 19 2007 08:33:42 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>On 19, 8:42 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> Damn Rob. Are you senile? Can't you read, and remember, what you
>> said. Bigoldcat has your direct quote (above) and you have the
>> effrontery to say that you didn't make such a claim? You're making a
>> fool of yourself all over again.
>
>Call it what you will. I can hit a 185 yard low spinner repeatedly but
>I can't hit it on command. The obvious fact that you can't understand
>this suggests you, not I have comprehension issues. It's the
>difference between a person who can get something right vs a person
>who doesn't get it wrong. I can make 5 foot putts repeatedly but I
>can't make them on command...but you don't get it...you never do......
We both get it Rob, you're just doing whatever amount of spinning that
you think can alter the facts. You couldn't hit that shot
repeatedly, OR on command, in 2003 or any year.
This was a bold claim that you could never back up, and just won't
admit it. Trying to change the meaning that was originally proffered
by you is a piteous attempt at revising fact.
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:27:57
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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\"R&B\" wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" wrote ...
> > So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> > up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> > closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> > green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> > the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
> >
> > Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> > iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> > can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> > can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> > only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> > glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
> >
> > BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> > that!
>
> Rob, let's get your facts straight. I've never said a low shot out of
> ankle-deep rough couldn't be achieved by anyone but Tiger Woods. I've
> never, ever said that. Neither has Tex, Mike, or glfnaz.
>
> In point of fact, when hitting out of ankle-deep rough, I'd say it's
> generally easier to get a ball to come out low than it is to hit a high shot
> over a tree out of rough that deep. (And that's not taking anything away
> from David Laville's shot; I'm sure he hit a fine one, as he's perfectly
> capable of doing so.)
>
> But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> water. And you claimed that you could do it, easily, on command, any time
> you needed to. I said you couldn't.
No I didn't. I said I could make it. The only real claim I made with respect to
myself was that I could make that 186 yard shot with a 7W Woods made more often
than Tex could break 80 at Dancing Rabbit. My real claim was that any good
player could make that kind of shot. Grass doesn't grow well in the woods for 2
reasons; not enough light and grass doesn't like acidic soil. All people like
you really show me with your statements on the issue is how little real direcvt
experience you have with what kinds of shots people can and cannot make.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:41:03
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote
>
> No I didn't. I said I could make it. The only real claim I made with
> respect to
> myself was that I could make that 186 yard shot with a 7W Woods made more
> often
> than Tex could break 80 at Dancing Rabbit. My real claim was that any good
> player could make that kind of shot. Grass doesn't grow well in the woods
> for 2
> reasons; not enough light and grass doesn't like acidic soil. All people
> like
> you really show me with your statements on the issue is how little real
> direcvt
> experience you have with what kinds of shots people can and cannot make.
Rob, you and I both know this is merely a diversionary tactic. First of
all, we both know that grass doesn't grow in the woods. We're not talking
about a forest here. We're talking about a series of trees that stand
alongside the fairway at Torrey Pines Golf Course. And perhaps you've
heard, there are greenkeepers at golf courses that actually care for the
grounds, quite unlike a forest where the only inhabitants are bears and
other creepy crawlies.
There was grass under the tree that Tiger hit from. Anyone who remembers
the shot (and the subsequent discussion about it) remembers quite well that
there was rough up to his ankles and the ball was sitting down in it. So
that kinda flies in the face of your attempt at misdirecting people's
recollection of it by pointing out that grass doesn't grow in the woods.
It is so like you to make a bold claim, and then, perhaps knowing full well
you can't live up to it, say later that you never made the claim in the
first place.
Big talk. Little ability to back it up.
Now tell me something I didn't already know.
Randy
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:20:44
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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\"R&B\" wrote:
>
> Rob, you and I both know this is merely a diversionary tactic.
snip the blah blah blah.....
You are right. All you have ever presented on this is purely diversionary. Any
decent player can hit a low spinner 185 or so out of a grassy lie in the woods.
Woods was actually lucky the ball was on a grassy lie, it's one of the best lies
you can get in the woods. "Golfers" who have to cheat to play will roll the ball
onto the grass areas if they are in the woods; I've seen it many, many times.
Your rhetoric shows your basic inexperience with the general level of ability of
the better recreational players and how grass grows in the woods. Not to be
unexpeceted from you. You are not a lifelong golfer, and you really don't golf
all that much anyways. There are no issues other than these in my mind. I
absolutely know any good player can make such shots because I've seen it many
times. I know how grass grows in the woods and why. I also know I can hit a low
spinner on demand, and have never claimed anything more than that other than
speculations on what club I might use for a given distance. A low spinner is an
easy shot to hit even for me.
Of course my point att the time was fool commentators exaggerating the event,
which is done in golf more than any other sport because there are so many
commentators in golf who know little to nothing about golf. I witness this years
Masters commercials; replays if idiot commentary. The event makes itself;
commentators only diminish the event with excessive babble,especially when they
don't know what they are talking about. Good commentators are elegant; fewer
words but more effective commentary. No better example than the shambles they
are making of the event today. I was actually trying to watch it, but have
obviously quit; they just won't shut up and show the tournament! They just keep
babbling on and on and on behind minimal coverage of the actual event.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:34:15
From: \R&B\
Subject: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote
>
> Of course my point att the time was fool commentators
> exaggerating the event, which is done in golf more than
> any other sport because there are so many commentators
> in golf who know little to nothing about golf.
Your comments at that time were about the television commentators covering
the Buick Invitational at Torrey Pines, which would specifically refer to
the commentators on CBS-TV, which covered that event at the time.
Let's compare how their "little to nothing" knowledge about golf compares to
your own.
At the time of the event in question where the comments made about Tiger's
shot under the trees at Torrey Pines brought a shitstorm of criticism from
you, the CBS golf commentators were:
Lanny Wadkins -- A stellar career on the PGA TOUR, spanning over 20 years.
21-time winner on the PGA TOUR, ranking him T21st on the TOUR's all time
victories list. Winner of the PGA Championship and The PLAYERS
Championship, not to mention a couple of "Tournament of Champions" events.
Bobby Clampett - A one-time winner on the PGA TOUR with 33 career Top-10
finishes over a 20-year PGA TOUR career. A fine amateur career, which
included winning the 1978 and 1980 California State Amateur Championship.
Low amateur at the 1978 US Open. Three-time All-American at Brigham Young.
Two-time winner of the Fred Haskins Award, presented to the top collegiate
player. Became the youngest player in history to exceed $500,000 in career
earnings on the PGA TOUR.
Peter Kostis - World-renowned golf instructor who has been a member of the
Golf Digest teaching staff for over 20 years. Instructor for many TOUR
professionals, a few of which are Bernhard Langer, k Calcavecchia and
Steve Elkington, collectively responsible for a total of five major
championship titles, not to mention around 80 more titles on the PGA TOUR
and European Tour. Under the tutelage of Kostis, one of his students,
Calcavecchia, set the all-time PGA TOUR scoring record for 72 holes,
breaking a k that had stood for 46 years.
Gary McCord - Two-time All-American at the University of
California-Riverside. A member of the 1970 College Division II Championship
team before turning pro in 1971. Twice a runner-up on the PGA TOUR, with
just under two dozen Top-10 finishes on the PGA TOUR. A multiple winner on
the Champions TOUR.
David Feherty - A five-time winner on the European Tour, twice finishing in
the Top 10 on the European Tour's Order of Merit. A winner of over
$3-million on both the European Tour and PGA TOUR. Best finish on the PGA
TOUR was 2nd at the '94 New England Classic. Represented Ireland numerous
times in international competition, and captained the victorious 1970 Alfred
Dunhill Cup team. A member of the European Team at the 1991 Ryder Cup
matches. T6 at the 1989 British Open.
Jim Nantz - Even Nantz -- a broadcaster, not a golfer -- played on the
University of Houston golf team with future professionals Fred Couples and
Blaine McCallister while majoring in broadcasting.
Those are the credentials of the CBS golf announce team.
Now, let's examine your credentials:
Rob Hamilton - Owns golf clubs, and has even been known to build them. Is
an avid recreational golfer. Has never shot an 18-hole round of par or
better in his life, and would be lucky to break 100 on a TOUR course under
tournament conditions. Has, in fact, never even set foot on a TOUR course
under tournament conditions. A frequent poster to RSG. Considers Tiger
Woods "overrated." Believes that certain shots Tiger has hit in
professional competition, which evoked words of praise from seasoned TOUR
professionals-turned-commentators, to be shots he "could do repeatedly."
The most prestigious golf tournaments he has entered had the letters RSG in
their name.
Yes, Rob, there's no denying it. Your vast experience and knowledge about
the highest levels of competitive golf, borne out of all your years
struggling to break 80 (or 90) at the local municipal courses in and around
Jackson, Mississippi qualifies you as an authority to pass judgement on how
the announcers on CBS-TV's golf coverage know "little to nothing" about
golf. As it should be plainly evident to anyone who reads this and has a
lick of sense, we should all believe what you have to say about competitive
golf at the highest level before placing an ounce of credibility on what the
CBS announce crew has to say on the subject.
Sorry, Rob, but you've just been outed as the quack you are.
Not that anyone didn't already know it.
Randy
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 03:58:01
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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\"R&B\" wrote:
snipppppp...whew!!!
I don't need to justify my authority to you to express an opinion. I have a life
experience with golf I can comment from.
Do I make mistakes? Of course! Do I admit them.? Well, recently I made erroneous
claims about the nature of a throwing motion, was called on it, looked at the
data and told the person "you got me!". On another recent occasion, I made
comments about the interesting turf at soldier field when the "bears" played The
Saints in the recent NFL Championship game and wondered who changed the turf
before important games, claiming it was ludicrous. Turns out it is routine to
put in nrew turf before big games like that...I admitted my error. Of course in
that case it even begged the major point more!
So when do you admit when you are wrong?
As to golf commentators, what do I care who they are? If they aren't
entertaining or I personally don't find them credible on some issue, I am in
fact free to not watch them and to question their interpretations based on my
own personal life experience. I guess in your world we are all supposed to
accept verbatim the views of others based on some third parties (like you)
interpretation of their qualifications. If that's OK by you then you have no
business criticizing the likes of George W. Bush for example. What do you know
about politics and being President of the United States compared to him? Who the
heck is a no nothing like you to criticize any PODUS?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 00:16:05
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Just what are Rob's qualifications as an authority?
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote
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> So when do you admit when you are wrong?
Yeah, right. Like I'm ever wrong.
Keep dreaming.
Randy ;-)
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 14:02:35
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45FDAABF.712CF320@att.net...
>
>
> \"R&B\" wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Rob, you and I both know this is merely a diversionary tactic.
>
> snip the blah blah blah.....
>
> You are right. All you have ever presented on this is purely diversionary.
> Any
> decent player can hit a low spinner 185 or so out of a grassy lie in the
> woods.
> Woods was actually lucky the ball was on a grassy lie, it's one of the
> best lies
> you can get in the woods.
There are no woods at Torry Pines.
There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 14:46:57
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed up
at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
dresses.
"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
news:45fda8ee$0$510$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:45FDAABF.712CF320@att.net...
>>
>>
>> \"R&B\" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Rob, you and I both know this is merely a diversionary tactic.
>>
>> snip the blah blah blah.....
>>
>> You are right. All you have ever presented on this is purely
>> diversionary. Any
>> decent player can hit a low spinner 185 or so out of a grassy lie in the
>> woods.
>> Woods was actually lucky the ball was on a grassy lie, it's one of the
>> best lies
>> you can get in the woods.
>
> There are no woods at Torry Pines.
> There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
> They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
>
>
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 02:34:16
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Ron <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote:
: What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed up
: at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
: dresses.
What club is *that*? The YMCA?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 23:45:08
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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On Sun, 18 2007 14:46:57 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote:
>What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed up
>at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
>dresses.
>
>
>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>> There are no woods at Torry Pines.
>> There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
>> They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
If glfnaz showed up at your course you had better have game...from the
back tees.
P.S. Does your delete key work?
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 17:01:38
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:2kjrv2tocbkvf4em46ele8f3l4mmg6408n@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 14:46:57 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed
>>up
>>at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
>>dresses.
>>
>>
>>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>
>>> There are no woods at Torry Pines.
>>> There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
>>> They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
>
>
> If glfnaz showed up at your course you had better have game...from the
> back tees.
>
> P.S. Does your delete key work?
Lots of the women at my club have game. None of the men would play with you
malicious, spiteful, nasty ladies.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:28:25
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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On Sun, 18 2007 17:01:38 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:2kjrv2tocbkvf4em46ele8f3l4mmg6408n@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 18 2007 14:46:57 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed
>>>up
>>>at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
>>>dresses.
>>>
>>>
>>>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> There are no woods at Torry Pines.
>>>> There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
>>>> They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
>>
>>
>> If glfnaz showed up at your course you had better have game...from the
>> back tees.
>>
>> P.S. Does your delete key work?
>
>Lots of the women at my club have game. None of the men would play with you
>malicious, spiteful, nasty ladies.
>
What makes you think anyone would want to play at your club? :-)
You didn't answer my question. If you don't like a thread....delete
it.
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 18:34:38
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:pmprv2h5nvk1ss3l9rgfoj8pvmli3sd1s3@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 17:01:38 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>>news:2kjrv2tocbkvf4em46ele8f3l4mmg6408n@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 2007 14:46:57 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What a pathetic group of old, bitchy women you twits are. If you showed
>>>>up
>>>>at my club you would be put in the women's flight and required to wear
>>>>dresses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> There are no woods at Torry Pines.
>>>>> There are only strands of trees along the fairways.
>>>>> They aren't even within 25 feet of each other.
>>>
>>>
>>> If glfnaz showed up at your course you had better have game...from the
>>> back tees.
>>>
>>> P.S. Does your delete key work?
>>
>>Lots of the women at my club have game. None of the men would play with
>>you
>>malicious, spiteful, nasty ladies.
>>
>
> What makes you think anyone would want to play at your club? :-)
> You didn't answer my question. If you don't like a thread....delete
> it.
What about glfnaz? Did you not warn me about him showing up?
Please try and keep your nasty little thoughts in order. If you are upset
with my correct observations about you and your twit friends you can block
me. Or hold your tongue (unlikely.) :-)
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:52:40
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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On Sun, 18 2007 18:34:38 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote:
>What about glfnaz? Did you not warn me about him showing up?
>Please try and keep your nasty little thoughts in order. If you are upset
>with my correct observations about you and your twit friends you can block
>me. Or hold your tongue (unlikely.) :-)
>
>
That would be my suggestion to you.
No one asked your opinion in the first place. Your club members, if
they really would agree with you, are old fogies and twits. However,
I think you're talking out of your ass anyway.
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 20:27:15
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:uvqrv25ci1u0m806tjmso5pkshvjpc9lng@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 18:34:38 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What about glfnaz? Did you not warn me about him showing up?
>>Please try and keep your nasty little thoughts in order. If you are upset
>>with my correct observations about you and your twit friends you can block
>>me. Or hold your tongue (unlikely.) :-)
>>
>>
> That would be my suggestion to you.
>
> No one asked your opinion in the first place. Your club members, if
> they really would agree with you, are old fogies and twits. However,
> I think you're talking out of your ass anyway.
Hmm. Very interesting. You know nothing about me. I believe that I may
have posted 3 or 4 times here and yet you are knowledgeable enough to judge
me, my club and the members. I know all about you. You have posted
thousands of times. I know your real name, where you live, who you worked
for, the club you belong to, what you look like, your political beliefs,
economic class, previous occupation and that you are over 70 and retired and
barely break 90 these days. Even that you have been ried a few times.
And yet you are able to judge me without even a speck of information. Quite
amazing!
You might consider that I have no ax to grind here and that my comments are
those of an objective observer and perhaps have some merit. This is how
you, and your friends, are viewed by a casual reader of what you all post.
Multiply that by whatever number have read these posts and you have an idea
how a sizeable group of strangers may think of you. Perhaps there is
something for you to consider here and learn from. Doubtful that you will
though based upon the mass of previous evidence that you have left behind
:-) I find it incredulous that a grown man would leave such a trail on
Usenet. Does not seem prudent to me. If I can learn so much about you in a
matter of seconds imagine how that information could be used by someone with
a sinister intent.
Well I have had my say. Take it however you please. I will not impose on
you any more. BTW I still believe that you are a group of old gossiping hens
;-)
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 14:01:01
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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On Sun, 18 2007 20:27:15 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:uvqrv25ci1u0m806tjmso5pkshvjpc9lng@4ax.com...
>
>> No one asked your opinion in the first place. Your club members, if
>> they really would agree with you, are old fogies and twits. However,
>> I think you're talking out of your ass anyway.
>
>
>Hmm. Very interesting. You know nothing about me. I believe that I may
>have posted 3 or 4 times here and yet you are knowledgeable enough to judge
>me, my club and the members.
Other than the responses to this thread, you've posted 3 times this
month, all of them with snide reks about posters here. Is your
club a golf club?
Notice that I said "IF", so your club members aren't in the mix. So
I'll just discuss you.
> I know all about you. You have posted thousands of times. I know your real name, where you live, who you worked
>for, the club you belong to, what you look like, your political beliefs,
>economic class, previous occupation and that you are over 70 and retired and
>barely break 90 these days. Even that you have been ried a few times.
>And yet you are able to judge me without even a speck of information. Quite
>amazing!
What is so amazing is your extreme interest in my life. You've been
utilizing Usenet since 2000, and a lot of the information that you've
collected was posted in years past. I've never had a fixation on
another man like this, so you're right....I don't know you. Except
for the statement last night, and I stand by the fact that you're
somewhat of a pansy. Oh no! Your deep interest in me isn't sex, is
it? Oh, I also know that your name is Robert Blackman. How do you
get Ron out of that?
>
>You might consider that I have no ax to grind here and that my comments are
>those of an objective observer and perhaps have some merit.
Well, you've honed your ax by now. I think the ladies dress line was
cute, and so 50s.
>This is how you, and your friends, are viewed by a casual reader of what you all post.
>Multiply that by whatever number have read these posts and you have an idea
>how a sizeable group of strangers may think of you.
Since you know so much about me, you shouldn't even go there. I could
care less.
> Perhaps there is something for you to consider here and learn from. Doubtful that you will
>though based upon the mass of previous evidence that you have left behind
>:-) I find it incredulous that a grown man would leave such a trail on
>Usenet. Does not seem prudent to me. If I can learn so much about you in a
>matter of seconds imagine how that information could be used by someone with
>a sinister intent.
>
Those things about me took more than a second Robbie. Sinister? You
really need to come back to earth a little. I wouldn't call anyone on
RSG sinister.
>Well I have had my say. Take it however you please. I will not impose on
>you any more. BTW I still believe that you are a group of old gossiping hens
>;-)
You know how I'll take it, with no importance at all. I still believe
that you might be stalking me, and tell you that I'm not that great of
a prize. Pick someone younger.
P.S. Your IP tells me that you've learned what a sock puppet is. :-)
--
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 22:24:50
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Hey Ron. (Was Re: Low ball out of rough in woods.).
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"Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:etkvum01c1m@news5.newsguy.com...
>
> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:uvqrv25ci1u0m806tjmso5pkshvjpc9lng@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 18 2007 18:34:38 -0700, "Ron" <rjb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What about glfnaz? Did you not warn me about him showing up?
>>>Please try and keep your nasty little thoughts in order. If you are
>>>upset
>>>with my correct observations about you and your twit friends you can
>>>block
>>>me. Or hold your tongue (unlikely.) :-)
>>>
>>>
>> That would be my suggestion to you.
>>
>> No one asked your opinion in the first place. Your club members, if
>> they really would agree with you, are old fogies and twits. However,
>> I think you're talking out of your ass anyway.
>
>
> Hmm. Very interesting. You know nothing about me. I believe that I may
> have posted 3 or 4 times here and yet you are knowledgeable enough to
> judge me, my club and the members. I know all about you. You have
> posted thousands of times. I know your real name, where you live, who you
> worked for, the club you belong to, what you look like, your political
> beliefs, economic class, previous occupation and that you are over 70 and
> retired and barely break 90 these days. Even that you have been ried a
> few times. And yet you are able to judge me without even a speck of
> information. Quite amazing!
>
> You might consider that I have no ax to grind here and that my comments
> are those of an objective observer and perhaps have some merit. This is
> how you, and your friends, are viewed by a casual reader of what you all
> post. Multiply that by whatever number have read these posts and you have
> an idea how a sizeable group of strangers may think of you. Perhaps there
> is something for you to consider here and learn from. Doubtful that you
> will though based upon the mass of previous evidence that you have left
> behind :-) I find it incredulous that a grown man would leave such a
> trail on Usenet. Does not seem prudent to me. If I can learn so much
> about you in a matter of seconds imagine how that information could be
> used by someone with a sinister intent.
>
> Well I have had my say. Take it however you please. I will not impose on
> you any more. BTW I still believe that you are a group of old gossiping
> hens ;-)
What does that have to do with the lack of woods at Torry Pines?
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 05:03:25
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>water.
The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 11:16:14
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
<dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>>water.
>
>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
>
>
>David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>TB-8982
It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
the putt.
Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 18:26:10
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
: On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
: <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
:
: >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
: ><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
: >
: >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
: >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
: >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
: >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
: >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
: >>water.
: >
: >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
: >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
:
: It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
: water.
Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
all).
: He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
: green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
: the putt.
The rest of this meshes with my recollection well.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 21:08:04
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 18:26:10 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>: On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
>: <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>:
>:>On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>:><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>:>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>:>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>:>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>:>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>:>>water.
>:>
>:>The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
>:>and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>:
>: It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
>: water.
>
>Wow, this is going to get tedious, but I thought it was #18
>at Torrey Pines, he was in the right rough, and there was
>water in front of the green (being #18 at Torrey Pines and
>all).
>
>: He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
>: green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
>: the putt.
>
>The rest of this meshes with my recollection well.
We're not arguing about the 6 iron out of the bunker over water then
making the putt to win the tournament, are we?
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:30:53
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
> <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> ><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >
> >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
> >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
> >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
> >>water.
> >
> >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
> >
> >
> >
> >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> >TB-8982
>
> It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
> water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
> green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
> the putt.
>
> Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
> tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
> announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
> at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
> was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
> --
I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
are straight up lying.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 22:15:18
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 15:30:53 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
>> <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> ><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around when
>> >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>> >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>> >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron, you
>> >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot over
>> >>water.
>> >
>> >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
>> >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>> >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>> >TB-8982
>>
>> It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
>> water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
>> green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
>> the putt.
>>
>> Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
>> tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
>> announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
>> at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
>> was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
>> --
>
>I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and Brown
>are straight up lying.
>
Wrong again. Do I have to google it for you?
--
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:36:11
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45FD66D2.A3DB413@att.net...
>
>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 2007 05:03:25 GMT, David Laville
>> <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> ><noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around
>> >>when
>> >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>> >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast
>> >>in
>> >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a
>> >>6-iron, you
>> >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot
>> >>over
>> >>water.
>> >
>> >The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
>> >and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >David Laville, G.S.E.M.
>> >The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
>> >TB-8982
>>
>> It was at Torrey Pines. Tiger was 180 out, in theleft rough, no
>> water. He had to hit a low cut, under trees and then uphil to the
>> green. The pin was front right, and he put it within 10 feet and made
>> the putt.
>>
>> Since TW can hit a 7 or 8 iron 180, I would think that it was a little
>> tougher shot than just a low cut. It was a very difficult shot, the
>> announcers...specifically Feherety...were excited and Rob took umbrage
>> at that. Rob stated that he could hit that shot on command, which
>> was simply foolish of him. I doubt if he could ever pull it off.
>> --
>
> I never made the statement that I could make the shot on command. You and
> Brown
> are straight up lying.
No, you're just backing away from what you said when you made this
ridiculous claim.
Can't say that I blame you, of course.
Randy
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:52:09
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:p0ipv25i2pk6kimbt91p2rl2p95g9sgill@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around
>>when
>>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
>>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
>>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron,
>>you
>>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot
>>over
>>water.
>
> The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
Whether or not I recall all the details of Tiger's specific shot (I'll let
others with more time to kill go Google the original thread to referesh my
memory about the specific yardage and club involved), one thing I'm sure of:
If it's a shot the announcers said was difficult (and most of them are
closer to knowing than any viewer could possibly be, since, after all, most
of them have either played on TOUR or coached players who do), I'm quite
certain that Rob couldn't hit it on command the way he bragged that he
could. The way Rob made it sound, any 18-handicapper could pull off the
shot Tiger did. Somehow, I have a hard time buying that. Call me crazy.
Rob has never even seen TOUR rough, let alone tried to hit out of it.
Randy
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 15:29:41
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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\"R&B\" wrote:
> "David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:p0ipv25i2pk6kimbt91p2rl2p95g9sgill@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 2007 00:00:10 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >
> >>But let's refresh the memories of those in this room who weren't around
> >>when
> >>this little brouhaha started a couple of years ago. It followed a
> >>tournament at which Tiger hit such a shot, and you proceeded to boast in
> >>this newsgroup that the same shot he hit with (I think it was) a 6-iron,
> >>you
> >>could do just as well. If memory serves, it was about a 190-yard shot
> >>over
> >>water.
> >
> > The shot I recall was about 160 yards out from the trees on the left
> > and there was no water. I think the announcer said it was a 4 iron.
>
> Whether or not I recall all the details of Tiger's specific shot (I'll let
> others with more time to kill go Google the original thread to referesh my
> memory about the specific yardage and club involved), one thing I'm sure of:
> If it's a shot the announcers said was difficult (and most of them are
> closer to knowing than any viewer could possibly be, since, after all, most
> of them have either played on TOUR or coached players who do), I'm quite
> certain that Rob couldn't hit it on command the way he bragged that he
> could. The way Rob made it sound, any 18-handicapper could pull off the
> shot Tiger did. Somehow, I have a hard time buying that. Call me crazy.
>
> Rob has never even seen TOUR rough, let alone tried to hit out of it.
>
> Randy
I know how grass doesn't grow in the woods though.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 02:36:39
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 01:18:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
>up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
>closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
>green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
>the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
>Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
>iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
>can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
>can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
>only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
>glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
>BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
>that!
Don't exaggerate Rob, it was only 160 yards and I wasn't in the woods.
I was between the cart path and the woods. 8-)
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 02:51:40
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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David Laville wrote:
> On Sun, 18 2007 01:18:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> >up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> >closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> >green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> >the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
> >
> >Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> >iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> >can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> >can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> >only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> >glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
> >
> >BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> >that!
>
> Don't exaggerate Rob, it was only 160 yards and I wasn't in the woods.
> I was between the cart path and the woods. 8-)
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982
Of course the woods were between you and the green.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 02:06:06
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sun, 18 2007 01:18:17 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
>up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
>closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
>green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
>the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
>Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
>iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
>can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
>can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
>only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
>glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
>BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
>that!
We all know that David can do that. Others? Nah!
___,
\o
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 22:04:38
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Laville couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the
bottom.
"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45FC9F00.CA2E5104@att.net...
> So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
> up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
> closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
> green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
> the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>
> Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
> iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
> can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
> only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
> glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>
> BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
> that!
>
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Date: 17 Mar 2007 21:18:01
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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Laville is a good ball striker.
Shotmaking would be his strength.
"Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net > wrote in message
news:771Lh.670$p57.67@newsfe02.lga...
> Laville couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the
> bottom.
>
>
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:45FC9F00.CA2E5104@att.net...
>> So who has the talent to hit a low shot from rough in the woods? Grass
>> up to your ankles, no real opening, you have to thread it between some
>> closely spaced tree trunks and you have to cut it properly to get to the
>> green. Youy have to keep it low to stay under the trees at the start and
>> the greens are crusty and hard as asphalt.
>>
>> Who has the talent to make a shot of about 170 like that with a mid
>> iron? Not Tex; he has said as much. According to Tex, only Tiger Woods
>> can make a shot like that. Not R&B. According to R&B only Tiger Woods
>> can make a shot like that. Not Mike Dalecki. According to Mike Dalecki,
>> only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that. Not glfnaz. According to
>> glfnaz, only Tiger Woods can make a shot like that.
>>
>> BUT!!! I saw it with my own eyes! David Laville can make a shot like
>> that!
>>
>
>
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 02:39:10
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Low ball out of rough in woods..
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On Sat, 17 2007 22:04:38 -0400, "Da Ringer" <DaRinger@home.net >
wrote:
>Laville couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the
>bottom.
Why would I want to pour piss out of a boot? Rob was talking about
golf. You really are goofy.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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