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Date: 28 Sep 2006 02:24:34
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
Playing the patriot game
BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
(snip)
Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
occupation of Iraq.
Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
government."
Various Europeans have hinted that they have similar views, but say
privately they'll be crucified in American locker rooms and newspapers
if they publicly oppose Bush, his fundamentalist Christian agenda or
the Iraq war.
"That's the new way of American censorship," said Jesper Parnevik, as
he baked on the driving range in Fort Worth. "People get hurt very
badly if they speak out."
(snip)
But there is definitely a sizeable and often vocal element among the
Americans that follows politics, advocates right-wing Republican
policies – tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, pro death
penalty, anti-gay riage, anti-labour unions – and increasingly,
identifies with evangelical Christian ideology.
In a Sports Illustrated survey of 76 US Tour players published in
ch, 88% said they supported the American invasion of Iraq, and 91%
supported Bush's controversial nomination of Samuel Alito to the US
Supreme Court – a judge who was welcomed by Republican and
fundamentalist Christian groups as the court's possible swing vote in
one day outlawing abortion.
(snip)
Not coincidentally, the American pro golf world, which has been
heavily influenced by corporate America and Republican politics for at
least 30 years, now has such a strong element of Christian
fundamentalists that the entire Ryder Cup leadership – Tom Lehman,
Corey Pavin and Loren Roberts – are all self-professed born-again
Christians. Roberts was even converted and baptised at a tournament.
In the book The Way of an Eagle, Lehman says: "God has definitely used
golf in a great way over the last several years. I think of myself as
a Christian who plays golf, not as a golfer who is a Christian. So
whatever kind of job I do, there is a way for God to use that as a
tool. In society at large, especially the way golf is growing, there
is a huge platform for golfers."
Perhaps because of his public Christianity and several incidents of
less-than-Christian-like behaviour, Lehman has developed an
unflattering reputation in some golf circles. John Huggan, the
European golf correspondent for Golf Digest, recounts how Lehman
confronted him angrily when he wrote about Lehman's much-criticised
behaviour in 1999 at the Ryder Cup near Boston, when he led the
ghastly American charge of players across the 17th green following
Justin Leonard's miraculous putt.
"How dare you?" Lehman told Huggan. "How dare you sum up my whole
character on the basis of that one incident."
Huggan replied that it was the only negative story he had ever written
about Lehman, among many flattering ones, and that his whining was
unprofessional. To which Lehman said, "Well, f*** you then," and
ched off.
(snip)
David Feherty, the former European Ryder Cup member from Northern
Ireland who is now a popular TV golf commentator in America, believes
the very public display of fire-and-brimstone Christianity is still
unsettling to most Europeans.
"I think a lot of Europeans find that conservative Christian thing as
frightening as conservative Muslims," he said. "If you find any
European pros who are in that Bible-thumping category, it's usually
because they've been to the United States."
(snip)
The conventional wisdom for why so many American golf pros vote
Republican is that, unlike their European mates, many of them were
raised in upper class, homogenised neighbourhoods – often gated
suburban estates – and learned their golf at private, all-white
country clubs. Born from that mentality, the American PGA Tour
expressly prohibited blacks from playing in their tournaments until
1961.
In that environment they were surrounded by like-minded Republicans
who shared their love for golf. When the young players arrived on tour
they found virtually everything of any value literally handed to them,
from Dell laptop computers to new cars, clothing and stock ket
advice, all happily provided by corporate sponsors who love to
associate themselves with the squeaky-clean image of the PGA Tour.
From that lap of luxury it's not hard to imagine that the American
tour pros see their lifestyle being attacked by those less fortunate.
"My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook, who has earned
£6.2m in his career and now lives in the elite Florida community of
Isleworth, outside Orlando.
(snip)
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:39:19
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:05:34 +0100, "MichaelJP" <mjp@mjp.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
> >fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
> >Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
> >pointless profession.
>
> Why is that?
>
> People are getting paid by people who are being entertained. It is
> our choice to buy tickets or other access to this entertainment.
> Nobody is forcing us to pay.
No one said americans are forced to watch sports so stop making stuff
up. The point is that americans are idiots for choosing to watch sports
and thereby enabling dumb jocks to make multi-millions of $ a year.
THINK
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 01:24:43
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in message
> No one said americans are forced to watch sports so stop making stuff
> up. The point is that americans are idiots for choosing to watch sports
> and thereby enabling dumb jocks to make multi-millions of $ a year.
> THINK
Hypocrite. You tell other people to think, yet you've never done so.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 00:27:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On 2 Oct 2006 08:39:19 -0700, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
<xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> People are getting paid by people who are being entertained. It is
>> our choice to buy tickets or other access to this entertainment.
>> Nobody is forcing us to pay.
>
>No one said americans are forced to watch sports so stop making stuff
>up. The point is that americans are idiots for choosing to watch sports
>and thereby enabling dumb jocks to make multi-millions of $ a year.
>THINK
So you define idiots as people by what they enjoy.
Well, if someone enjoys trolling, you have a point.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 23:59:16
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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MichaelJP wrote:
>
> I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
> fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
> Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
> pointless profession.
Yes it is pointless as are all sports. Just crazy how in america so
many people get rich by doing nothing of any use. Athletes, movie
stars, rock stars, lawyers, CEOs, politicians. All of them parasites.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:34:57
From: pete z
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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rts wrote:
> ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> > In article
> > <waderameyxiii-D60493.14474628092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <ti285-FA1C3A.09300928092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu>,
> > > ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > > > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> > > > > Lord's Day.
> > > >
> > > > Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
> > > >
> > > > B. tin
> > >
> > > You misspelled perversity.
> >
> > Only with your biased view of Christianity. Like it or not, there is no
> > single scheme that is Christianity. People make mistakes; even people
> > who call themselves Christians. These acts don't make a statement about
> > Christianity, just about that person. Do you fall in the camp of
> > insulting Islam because of the evil deeds of Muslim estremists?
> >
> > B. tin
>
> This thread is yet another example of how conservatives consistently
> fail to argue with concrete ideas or counterpoints.
>
> Instead, it's always name-calling and/or "shoot the messenger".
>
> So predictable, so typical. So pathetic.
No this thread is another example of crap that shouldn't be a thread.
Isn't there a rec.sport.politics&religionbitch.group
????????????????????/
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 11:48:21
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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MichaelJP wrote:
> I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
> fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
don't know, it's hard to say what goes on in a God's mind, for
instance, Jesus highly approves of eternal torture for not believing
in him, so who can guess what his thoughts are about golf
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 13:53:44
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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bungalow_steve@yahoo.com writes:
> MichaelJP wrote:
>
> > I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
> > fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
>
> don't know, it's hard to say what goes on in a God's mind, for
> instance, Jesus highly approves of eternal torture for not believing
> in him, so who can guess what his thoughts are about golf
I've heard that he thinks divot holes should be ground under
repair but the Tooth Fairy disagrees with him.
--
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 09:52:03
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> Old Testament. So what?
what's wrong with the old testament, can't throw it out because you
don't like it
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 08:23:13
From: rts
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article
> <waderameyxiii-D60493.14474628092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <ti285-FA1C3A.09300928092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu>,
> > ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> >
> > > In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> > > > Lord's Day.
> > >
> > > Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
> > >
> > > B. tin
> >
> > You misspelled perversity.
>
> Only with your biased view of Christianity. Like it or not, there is no
> single scheme that is Christianity. People make mistakes; even people
> who call themselves Christians. These acts don't make a statement about
> Christianity, just about that person. Do you fall in the camp of
> insulting Islam because of the evil deeds of Muslim estremists?
>
> B. tin
This thread is yet another example of how conservatives consistently
fail to argue with concrete ideas or counterpoints.
Instead, it's always name-calling and/or "shoot the messenger".
So predictable, so typical. So pathetic.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 07:20:40
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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In article <1159543393.345637.49340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, rts
<senninha@ziplip.com > wrote:
> This thread is yet another example of how conservatives consistently
> fail to argue with concrete ideas or counterpoints.
>
> Instead, it's always name-calling and/or "shoot the messenger".
>
> So predictable, so typical. So pathetic.
>
Say, isn't that name-calling?
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:05:34
From: MichaelJP
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:iubmh2dfskt650t8a274f46ulnsgnq13ui@4ax.com...
>
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
> (snip)
>
> Not coincidentally, the American pro golf world, which has been
> heavily influenced by corporate America and Republican politics for at
> least 30 years, now has such a strong element of Christian
> fundamentalists that the entire Ryder Cup leadership - Tom Lehman,
> Corey Pavin and Loren Roberts - are all self-professed born-again
> Christians. Roberts was even converted and baptised at a tournament.
>
> In the book The Way of an Eagle, Lehman says: "God has definitely used
> golf in a great way over the last several years. I think of myself as
> a Christian who plays golf, not as a golfer who is a Christian. So
> whatever kind of job I do, there is a way for God to use that as a
> tool. In society at large, especially the way golf is growing, there
> is a huge platform for golfers."
>
> (snip)
I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
pointless profession.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 06:36:37
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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MichaelJP wrote:
> I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
> fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
> Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
> pointless profession.
On the other hand, if Jesus DOES approve of golf, then I'd say the
hereafter bodes well for us golfers. No more slow play, cart riders
sent to hell, walkers only, tee times at Heavenly Dornoch every morning
and afternoon.
;-)
David
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 22:42:59
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:05:34 +0100, "MichaelJP" <mjp@mjp.com > wrote:
>I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
>fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
>Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
>pointless profession.
>
The underlying thought of yours has nothing to do with what anyone
else thinks of professional golf. I take it that your avocation is
very important.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:43:53
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:05:34 +0100, "MichaelJP" <mjp@mjp.com > wrote:
>I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
>fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
>Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
>pointless profession.
Why is that?
People are getting paid by people who are being entertained. It is
our choice to buy tickets or other access to this entertainment.
Nobody is forcing us to pay.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 13:59:10
From: MichaelJP
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:4p4rh29l784brv7a73jmmjtpl9u48errrh@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:05:34 +0100, "MichaelJP" <mjp@mjp.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm an atheist, but I hardly think Jesus would have approved of earning a
>>fortune from people paying you to club a small white ball around a field.
>>Maybe its a way of making themselves feel better about their somewhat
>>pointless profession.
>
> Why is that?
>
> People are getting paid by people who are being entertained. It is
> our choice to buy tickets or other access to this entertainment.
> Nobody is forcing us to pay.
Hey, I never said anything about being forced to pay. And I have no problem
with people earning millions from entertainment, it just seems incompatible
with being an evangelical Christian. Or maybe the born-again pro golfers use
their extensive air travel to spread The Good News...
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 19:42:17
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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multi wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:24:34 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
> >years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook
>
> A perfect example of the difference between price and value. If you
> make $10 million a year playing golf, or laying off factory workers,
> you earned it through your own hard work. If you make 5 bucks an hour
> working in a coal mine or on a farm, it's your own damn laziness that
> makes you unable to afford decent medical care.
I feel the same way. Pro athletes and CEOs and politicians and lawyers
are the real welfare bums in america since they don't produce anything.
They think just because they're paid a lot of money, that they are
productive members of society.!!!
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 19:16:13
From: multi
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:24:34 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>"My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
>years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook
A perfect example of the difference between price and value. If you
make $10 million a year playing golf, or laying off factory workers,
you earned it through your own hard work. If you make 5 bucks an hour
working in a coal mine or on a farm, it's your own damn laziness that
makes you unable to afford decent medical care.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 18:40:43
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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Piturno wrote:
> Look, I am a Bush hating atheist, but a bunch of European GOLFERS opining on
> American politics? Screw that.
They're not talking american politics but american policy. And they
have every right to. Bush's warmongering affects the whole world.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 18:59:17
From: Piturno
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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Look, I am a Bush hating atheist, but a bunch of European GOLFERS opining on
American politics? Screw that.
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:iubmh2dfskt650t8a274f46ulnsgnq13ui@4ax.com...
>
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
> Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
> and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
> lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
> think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
> while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
> opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
> government."
> Various Europeans have hinted that they have similar views, but say
> privately they'll be crucified in American locker rooms and newspapers
> if they publicly oppose Bush, his fundamentalist Christian agenda or
> the Iraq war.
> "That's the new way of American censorship," said Jesper Parnevik, as
> he baked on the driving range in Fort Worth. "People get hurt very
> badly if they speak out."
>
> (snip)
>
> But there is definitely a sizeable and often vocal element among the
> Americans that follows politics, advocates right-wing Republican
> policies - tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, pro death
> penalty, anti-gay riage, anti-labour unions - and increasingly,
> identifies with evangelical Christian ideology.
>
> In a Sports Illustrated survey of 76 US Tour players published in
> ch, 88% said they supported the American invasion of Iraq, and 91%
> supported Bush's controversial nomination of Samuel Alito to the US
> Supreme Court - a judge who was welcomed by Republican and
> fundamentalist Christian groups as the court's possible swing vote in
> one day outlawing abortion.
>
> (snip)
>
> Not coincidentally, the American pro golf world, which has been
> heavily influenced by corporate America and Republican politics for at
> least 30 years, now has such a strong element of Christian
> fundamentalists that the entire Ryder Cup leadership - Tom Lehman,
> Corey Pavin and Loren Roberts - are all self-professed born-again
> Christians. Roberts was even converted and baptised at a tournament.
>
> In the book The Way of an Eagle, Lehman says: "God has definitely used
> golf in a great way over the last several years. I think of myself as
> a Christian who plays golf, not as a golfer who is a Christian. So
> whatever kind of job I do, there is a way for God to use that as a
> tool. In society at large, especially the way golf is growing, there
> is a huge platform for golfers."
>
> Perhaps because of his public Christianity and several incidents of
> less-than-Christian-like behaviour, Lehman has developed an
> unflattering reputation in some golf circles. John Huggan, the
> European golf correspondent for Golf Digest, recounts how Lehman
> confronted him angrily when he wrote about Lehman's much-criticised
> behaviour in 1999 at the Ryder Cup near Boston, when he led the
> ghastly American charge of players across the 17th green following
> Justin Leonard's miraculous putt.
> "How dare you?" Lehman told Huggan. "How dare you sum up my whole
> character on the basis of that one incident."
> Huggan replied that it was the only negative story he had ever written
> about Lehman, among many flattering ones, and that his whining was
> unprofessional. To which Lehman said, "Well, f*** you then," and
> ched off.
>
> (snip)
>
> David Feherty, the former European Ryder Cup member from Northern
> Ireland who is now a popular TV golf commentator in America, believes
> the very public display of fire-and-brimstone Christianity is still
> unsettling to most Europeans.
> "I think a lot of Europeans find that conservative Christian thing as
> frightening as conservative Muslims," he said. "If you find any
> European pros who are in that Bible-thumping category, it's usually
> because they've been to the United States."
>
> (snip)
>
> The conventional wisdom for why so many American golf pros vote
> Republican is that, unlike their European mates, many of them were
> raised in upper class, homogenised neighbourhoods - often gated
> suburban estates - and learned their golf at private, all-white
> country clubs. Born from that mentality, the American PGA Tour
> expressly prohibited blacks from playing in their tournaments until
> 1961.
> In that environment they were surrounded by like-minded Republicans
> who shared their love for golf. When the young players arrived on tour
> they found virtually everything of any value literally handed to them,
> from Dell laptop computers to new cars, clothing and stock ket
> advice, all happily provided by corporate sponsors who love to
> associate themselves with the squeaky-clean image of the PGA Tour.
> From that lap of luxury it's not hard to imagine that the American
> tour pros see their lifestyle being attacked by those less fortunate.
> "My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
> years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook, who has earned
> £6.2m in his career and now lives in the elite Florida community of
> Isleworth, outside Orlando.
>
> (snip)
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 12:59:09
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
This coming from a Continent in which its governments gives needles to
Heroin addicts so they can shoot up in the public park, think Jerry
Lewis is God, and hangs onto the ancient tradition of Royalty. Yeah
right, WE'RE crazy.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 01:08:36
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:59:09 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>> Playing the patriot game
>> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
> This coming from a Continent in which its governments gives needles to
> Heroin addicts so they can shoot up in the public park, think Jerry
> Lewis is God, and hangs onto the ancient tradition of Royalty. Yeah
> right, WE'RE crazy.
It's way better here, where addicts resort to burglary and prostitution to
support their habits.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 21:15:09
From: R.J.
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1159473549.253676.322460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>>
>> Playing the patriot game
>> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> This coming from a Continent in which its governments gives needles to
> Heroin addicts so they can shoot up in the public park, think Jerry
> Lewis is God, and hangs onto the ancient tradition of Royalty. Yeah
> right, WE'RE crazy.
>
Yeah right, there isn't a drug problem in the US, and no public heroin hits
in US parks either.
The Jerry Lewis thing is a stereotype and is always the thing thrown out to
be dismissive of the French. Yawn.
Royal familes have outlived their use, but I'd take a monarchy over a
pseudo-fascist state like Bush's anyday.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 01:14:14
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:09 GMT, "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net > wrote:
>Yeah right, there isn't a drug problem in the US, and no public heroin hits
>in US parks either.
But if we have a drug problem it's the Columbian's fault - and
Clinton's.
Hillary.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 08:50:23
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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(DaveB) wrote:
>
> Sheesh, not bad enough that movie stars like to think they know
> something about world affairs now golfers seem to think they need to
> be heard.
>
> If I thought that the UK had a clue about how to run things I would
> move there, and yes I have been there and played golf as well.
So why are american golfers allowed to pop off on world affairs but not
british? IMO golf pros are just dumb jocks and don't know anything
about anything no matter which side of the pond they're from.
PS - golf pros are also leaches and parasites who don't produce
anything for society. Another reason to ignore them.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:22:59
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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In article <1159458623.212917.12960@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
> (DaveB) wrote:
>
> >
> > Sheesh, not bad enough that movie stars like to think they know
> > something about world affairs now golfers seem to think they need to
> > be heard.
> >
> > If I thought that the UK had a clue about how to run things I would
> > move there, and yes I have been there and played golf as well.
>
> So why are american golfers allowed to pop off on world affairs but not
> british? IMO golf pros are just dumb jocks and don't know anything
> about anything no matter which side of the pond they're from.
Other than having the same level of freedom of expression as any other
American, American golfers are no more allowed to pop off. What makes
you think they are "allowed" to pop off?
B. tin
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 09:28:41
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <iubmh2dfskt650t8a274f46ulnsgnq13ui@4ax.com >,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
> Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
> and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
> lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
> think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
> while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
> opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
> government."
> Various Europeans have hinted that they have similar views, but say
> privately they'll be crucified in American locker rooms and newspapers
> if they publicly oppose Bush, his fundamentalist Christian agenda or
> the Iraq war.
> "That's the new way of American censorship," said Jesper Parnevik, as
> he baked on the driving range in Fort Worth. "People get hurt very
> badly if they speak out."
>
> (snip)
>
> David Feherty, the former European Ryder Cup member from Northern
> Ireland who is now a popular TV golf commentator in America, believes
> the very public display of fire-and-brimstone Christianity is still
> unsettling to most Europeans.
> "I think a lot of Europeans find that conservative Christian thing as
> frightening as conservative Muslims," he said. "If you find any
> European pros who are in that Bible-thumping category, it's usually
> because they've been to the United States."
Well, they chose to come to the states. Americans are often criticized
for not adjusting to local norms when they visit other countries. Maybe
the Europeans need to get a grip and realize that the states won't
adjust to them. It is their choice to enter a different environment.
B. tin
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 09:24:33
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:iubmh2dfskt650t8a274f46ulnsgnq13ui@4ax.com...
>
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
Ah waaa, boo hooo. Jesus, what a bunch of skirt wearing twits.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 08:04:21
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <iubmh2dfskt650t8a274f46ulnsgnq13ui@4ax.com >, xeton2001
@yahoo.com says...
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
>
Bullshitter.
--
Howard
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 03:44:29
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:24:34 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
>Playing the patriot game
>BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
>(snip)
>
>Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
>by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
>themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
>occupation of Iraq.
>Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
>and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
>lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
>think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
>while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
>opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
>government."
>Various Europeans have hinted that they have similar views, but say
>privately they'll be crucified in American locker rooms and newspapers
>if they publicly oppose Bush, his fundamentalist Christian agenda or
>the Iraq war.
>"That's the new way of American censorship," said Jesper Parnevik, as
>he baked on the driving range in Fort Worth. "People get hurt very
>badly if they speak out."
>
>(snip)
>
>But there is definitely a sizeable and often vocal element among the
>Americans that follows politics, advocates right-wing Republican
>policies – tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, pro death
>penalty, anti-gay riage, anti-labour unions – and increasingly,
>identifies with evangelical Christian ideology.
>
>In a Sports Illustrated survey of 76 US Tour players published in
>ch, 88% said they supported the American invasion of Iraq, and 91%
>supported Bush's controversial nomination of Samuel Alito to the US
>Supreme Court – a judge who was welcomed by Republican and
>fundamentalist Christian groups as the court's possible swing vote in
>one day outlawing abortion.
>
>(snip)
>
>Not coincidentally, the American pro golf world, which has been
>heavily influenced by corporate America and Republican politics for at
>least 30 years, now has such a strong element of Christian
>fundamentalists that the entire Ryder Cup leadership – Tom Lehman,
>Corey Pavin and Loren Roberts – are all self-professed born-again
>Christians. Roberts was even converted and baptised at a tournament.
>
>In the book The Way of an Eagle, Lehman says: "God has definitely used
>golf in a great way over the last several years. I think of myself as
>a Christian who plays golf, not as a golfer who is a Christian. So
>whatever kind of job I do, there is a way for God to use that as a
>tool. In society at large, especially the way golf is growing, there
>is a huge platform for golfers."
>
>Perhaps because of his public Christianity and several incidents of
>less-than-Christian-like behaviour, Lehman has developed an
>unflattering reputation in some golf circles. John Huggan, the
>European golf correspondent for Golf Digest, recounts how Lehman
>confronted him angrily when he wrote about Lehman's much-criticised
>behaviour in 1999 at the Ryder Cup near Boston, when he led the
>ghastly American charge of players across the 17th green following
>Justin Leonard's miraculous putt.
>"How dare you?" Lehman told Huggan. "How dare you sum up my whole
>character on the basis of that one incident."
>Huggan replied that it was the only negative story he had ever written
>about Lehman, among many flattering ones, and that his whining was
>unprofessional. To which Lehman said, "Well, f*** you then," and
>ched off.
>
>(snip)
>
>David Feherty, the former European Ryder Cup member from Northern
>Ireland who is now a popular TV golf commentator in America, believes
>the very public display of fire-and-brimstone Christianity is still
>unsettling to most Europeans.
>"I think a lot of Europeans find that conservative Christian thing as
>frightening as conservative Muslims," he said. "If you find any
>European pros who are in that Bible-thumping category, it's usually
>because they've been to the United States."
>
>(snip)
>
>The conventional wisdom for why so many American golf pros vote
>Republican is that, unlike their European mates, many of them were
>raised in upper class, homogenised neighbourhoods – often gated
>suburban estates – and learned their golf at private, all-white
>country clubs. Born from that mentality, the American PGA Tour
>expressly prohibited blacks from playing in their tournaments until
>1961.
>In that environment they were surrounded by like-minded Republicans
>who shared their love for golf. When the young players arrived on tour
>they found virtually everything of any value literally handed to them,
>from Dell laptop computers to new cars, clothing and stock ket
>advice, all happily provided by corporate sponsors who love to
>associate themselves with the squeaky-clean image of the PGA Tour.
>From that lap of luxury it's not hard to imagine that the American
>tour pros see their lifestyle being attacked by those less fortunate.
>"My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
>years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook, who has earned
>£6.2m in his career and now lives in the elite Florida community of
>Isleworth, outside Orlando.
>
>(snip)
Sheesh, not bad enough that movie stars like to think they know
something about world affairs now golfers seem to think they need to
be heard.
If I thought that the UK had a clue about how to run things I would
move there, and yes I have been there and played golf as well.
Who give a rats ass what a bunch of wanker golfers think ?
Your a complete fuckwit anyway.
Daveb
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 03:45:09
From: Vandar
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
> Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
> and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
> lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
> think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
> while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
> opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
> government."
That's what happens when they live in the area of the US, the south,
where you can golf year-round.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 20:37:16
From: reporter01
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
This whole article seems to be about Europeans complaining that
this American believes this or that American believes that and it's
all supposed to look somehow unfair. So a number of Americans
dont believe in the European approved opinion, big deal.
Theres your diversity. All is well. What crybabies this Euros are.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 15:58:05
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>
>>http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>>
>>Playing the patriot game
>>BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>>
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
>>by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
>>themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
>>occupation of Iraq.
>
>
Great ... now we've found a way to include politics in the golf
newsgroup that's not even OT 8^(.
Rob
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 22:37:39
From: SgtMinor
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://ww1.theherald.co.uk/sport/70559-print.shtml
>
> Playing the patriot game
> BRUCE SELCRAIG September 22 2006
>
>
> (snip)
>
> Simply put, many Europeans and other international players are put off
> by the overwhelming number of American PGA Tour players who identify
> themselves as George Bush-loving Republicans who support the US
> occupation of Iraq.
> Geoff Ogilvy, the affable and well-read Australian who won the US Open
> and has lived in Arizona with his Texan wife for four years, says: "A
> lot of their conservative views [on tour] are way off the map . . . I
> think George Bush is a bit dangerous. I think the world is scared
> while he's in office, [but] there's less tolerance of diversity [in
> opinions] over here [and] people have more blind faith in their
> government."
> Various Europeans have hinted that they have similar views, but say
> privately they'll be crucified in American locker rooms and newspapers
> if they publicly oppose Bush, his fundamentalist Christian agenda or
> the Iraq war.
> "That's the new way of American censorship," said Jesper Parnevik, as
> he baked on the driving range in Fort Worth. "People get hurt very
> badly if they speak out."
>
> (snip)
>
> But there is definitely a sizeable and often vocal element among the
> Americans that follows politics, advocates right-wing Republican
> policies – tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, pro death
> penalty, anti-gay riage, anti-labour unions – and increasingly,
> identifies with evangelical Christian ideology.
>
> In a Sports Illustrated survey of 76 US Tour players published in
> ch, 88% said they supported the American invasion of Iraq, and 91%
> supported Bush's controversial nomination of Samuel Alito to the US
> Supreme Court – a judge who was welcomed by Republican and
> fundamentalist Christian groups as the court's possible swing vote in
> one day outlawing abortion.
>
> (snip)
>
> Not coincidentally, the American pro golf world, which has been
> heavily influenced by corporate America and Republican politics for at
> least 30 years, now has such a strong element of Christian
> fundamentalists that the entire Ryder Cup leadership – Tom Lehman,
> Corey Pavin and Loren Roberts – are all self-professed born-again
> Christians. Roberts was even converted and baptised at a tournament.
>
> In the book The Way of an Eagle, Lehman says: "God has definitely used
> golf in a great way over the last several years. I think of myself as
> a Christian who plays golf, not as a golfer who is a Christian. So
> whatever kind of job I do, there is a way for God to use that as a
> tool. In society at large, especially the way golf is growing, there
> is a huge platform for golfers."
>
> Perhaps because of his public Christianity and several incidents of
> less-than-Christian-like behaviour, Lehman has developed an
> unflattering reputation in some golf circles. John Huggan, the
> European golf correspondent for Golf Digest, recounts how Lehman
> confronted him angrily when he wrote about Lehman's much-criticised
> behaviour in 1999 at the Ryder Cup near Boston, when he led the
> ghastly American charge of players across the 17th green following
> Justin Leonard's miraculous putt.
> "How dare you?" Lehman told Huggan. "How dare you sum up my whole
> character on the basis of that one incident."
> Huggan replied that it was the only negative story he had ever written
> about Lehman, among many flattering ones, and that his whining was
> unprofessional. To which Lehman said, "Well, f*** you then," and
> ched off.
>
> (snip)
>
> David Feherty, the former European Ryder Cup member from Northern
> Ireland who is now a popular TV golf commentator in America, believes
> the very public display of fire-and-brimstone Christianity is still
> unsettling to most Europeans.
> "I think a lot of Europeans find that conservative Christian thing as
> frightening as conservative Muslims," he said. "If you find any
> European pros who are in that Bible-thumping category, it's usually
> because they've been to the United States."
>
> (snip)
>
> The conventional wisdom for why so many American golf pros vote
> Republican is that, unlike their European mates, many of them were
> raised in upper class, homogenised neighbourhoods – often gated
> suburban estates – and learned their golf at private, all-white
> country clubs. Born from that mentality, the American PGA Tour
> expressly prohibited blacks from playing in their tournaments until
> 1961.
> In that environment they were surrounded by like-minded Republicans
> who shared their love for golf. When the young players arrived on tour
> they found virtually everything of any value literally handed to them,
> from Dell laptop computers to new cars, clothing and stock ket
> advice, all happily provided by corporate sponsors who love to
> associate themselves with the squeaky-clean image of the PGA Tour.
> From that lap of luxury it's not hard to imagine that the American
> tour pros see their lifestyle being attacked by those less fortunate.
> "My taxes are wasted on people who don't give a damn," I heard 10
> years ago from former 1993 Ryder Cup member John Cook, who has earned
> £6.2m in his career and now lives in the elite Florida community of
> Isleworth, outside Orlando.
>
> (snip)
I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
Lord's Day.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 09:30:09
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com >,
SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid > wrote:
> I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> Lord's Day.
Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
B. tin
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 18:14:09
From: multi
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:30:09 -0600, ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
>> Lord's Day.
>
>Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
I think I understand. They pick whatever verses of the Bible they
agree with, and ignore the rest. They want the Ten Commandments in
schools and courthouses, but they don't want to follow them if it
costs them any money or effort.
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to
you a holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work
therein shall be put to death.
Ob golf content:
Numbers 15:32, 36
And they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day ... And
all the congregation brought him without the camp and stoned him with
stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:16:22
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <3qsoh2p5m6f0rvdfc8g0fqhbmtdd686kls@4ax.com >,
multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:30:09 -0600, ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>
> >In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> >> Lord's Day.
> >
> >Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
>
> I think I understand. They pick whatever verses of the Bible they
> agree with, and ignore the rest. They want the Ten Commandments in
> schools and courthouses, but they don't want to follow them if it
> costs them any money or effort.
Uh no. You are picking the actions of some self-proclaimned Christians
to be representative of all Christianity. Rather narrow, don't you
think? Do you classify and stereotype all groups becayse of the actions
of a segment of that group? Likely not, so why use this weak logic with
Christianity and Christians?
> Exodus 35:2
> Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to
> you a holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work
> therein shall be put to death.
>
> Ob golf content:
> Numbers 15:32, 36
> And they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day ... And
> all the congregation brought him without the camp and stoned him with
> stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.
Old Testament. So what?
B. tin
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 11:13:17
From: multi
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:16:22 -0600, ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>In article <3qsoh2p5m6f0rvdfc8g0fqhbmtdd686kls@4ax.com>,
> multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:30:09 -0600, ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>>
>> >In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>> > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
>> >> Lord's Day.
>> >
>> >Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
>>
>> I think I understand. They pick whatever verses of the Bible they
>> agree with, and ignore the rest. They want the Ten Commandments in
>> schools and courthouses, but they don't want to follow them if it
>> costs them any money or effort.
>
>Uh no. You are picking the actions of some self-proclaimned Christians
>to be representative of all Christianity. Rather narrow, don't you
>think? Do you classify and stereotype all groups becayse of the actions
>of a segment of that group? Likely not, so why use this weak logic with
>Christianity and Christians?
No true Scotsman, huh? Fine, then you tell me, out of all the
hundreds of denominations, which are the true Christians?
>> Exodus 35:2
>> Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to
>> you a holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work
>> therein shall be put to death.
>>
>> Ob golf content:
>> Numbers 15:32, 36
>> And they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day ... And
>> all the congregation brought him without the camp and stoned him with
>> stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.
>
>Old Testament. So what?
So, that's where the Ten Commandments come from, that's where the only
shred of justification for the theft of Palestinian land by Israel
comes from, and that's where most of the anti-gay, pro-death penalty
"conservative values" come from. In contrast, the New Testament
stresses love, tolerance, sharing your wealth with the poor, and other
commie pinko claptrap that Rush and Hannity would call "Hollywood
liberalism."
But here's what one hippie thinks about the Old Testament laws:
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:18-19, the Sermon on the Mount
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:47:46
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <ti285-FA1C3A.09300928092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu >,
ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> > Lord's Day.
>
> Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
>
> B. tin
You misspelled perversity.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:12:16
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article
<waderameyxiii-D60493.14474628092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote:
> In article <ti285-FA1C3A.09300928092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu>,
> ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>
> > In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> > > Lord's Day.
> >
> > Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
> >
> > B. tin
>
> You misspelled perversity.
Only with your biased view of Christianity. Like it or not, there is no
single scheme that is Christianity. People make mistakes; even people
who call themselves Christians. These acts don't make a statement about
Christianity, just about that person. Do you fall in the camp of
insulting Islam because of the evil deeds of Muslim estremists?
B. tin
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 11:00:21
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
|
In article <ti285-963B4A.10121629092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu >,
ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article
> <waderameyxiii-D60493.14474628092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <ti285-FA1C3A.09300928092006@lenny.tc.umn.edu>,
> > ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> >
> > > In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> > > > Lord's Day.
> > >
> > > Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
> > >
> > > B. tin
> >
> > You misspelled perversity.
>
> Only with your biased view of Christianity. Like it or not, there is no
> single scheme that is Christianity. People make mistakes; even people
> who call themselves Christians. These acts don't make a statement about
> Christianity, just about that person. Do you fall in the camp of
> insulting Islam because of the evil deeds of Muslim estremists?
I pretty much view all the large religious movements as extremely
dangerous entities that have stood in the way of human progress
for centuries.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 11:51:51
From: SgtMinor
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
>>Lord's Day.
>
>
> Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
>
> B. tin
Go ahead, enlighten me.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:21:36
From:
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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In article <wMGdndssD6AKcobYnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com >,
SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid > wrote:
> ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> > In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
> >>Lord's Day.
> >
> > Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
> >
> > B. tin
>
> Go ahead, enlighten me.
Not a matter of enlightenment. Simply a matter of understanding that
any group of human beings, including religious affiliations, will have a
large diversity of opinion on various issues.
Not all self-proclaimed Christians think Sunday work is wrong. Pretty
simple.
Not all oppose the death penalty; not all are in favor.
Not all oppose abortion.
Not all believe the Bible is the true word of God.
This is the same for any religious group. Not all Jewish groups believe
the Torah is the true word of God. Not all Muslims believe that Koran
is the true word of Allah.
It is not rocket science. Hell, it is not even as complex as
understanding the golf swing.
B. tin
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 13:55:00
From: SgtMinor
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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ti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article <wMGdndssD6AKcobYnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>ti285@umn.edu wrote:
>>
>>>In article <APednYWF56TqqIbYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am surprised that a born again Christian would work on the
>>>>Lord's Day.
>>>
>>>Then you don't really understand what the diversity of Christianity.
>>>
>>>B. tin
>>
>>Go ahead, enlighten me.
>
>
> Not a matter of enlightenment. Simply a matter of understanding that
> any group of human beings, including religious affiliations, will have a
> large diversity of opinion on various issues.
>
> Not all self-proclaimed Christians think Sunday work is wrong. Pretty
> simple.
>
> Not all oppose the death penalty; not all are in favor.
>
> Not all oppose abortion.
>
> Not all believe the Bible is the true word of God.
>
> This is the same for any religious group. Not all Jewish groups believe
> the Torah is the true word of God. Not all Muslims believe that Koran
> is the true word of Allah.
>
> It is not rocket science. Hell, it is not even as complex as
> understanding the golf swing.
>
> B. tin
Now I get it. Christianity must be the most convenient religion.
You don't have to believe anything, or do anything, all you have
to do is cop an attitude and feel superior. Yup, pretty simple.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:41:02
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:55:00 -0400, SgtMinor
<Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid > wrote:
>> This is the same for any religious group. Not all Jewish groups believe
>> the Torah is the true word of God. Not all Muslims believe that Koran
>> is the true word of Allah.
>>
>> It is not rocket science. Hell, it is not even as complex as
>> understanding the golf swing.
>>
>> B. tin
>
>Now I get it. Christianity must be the most convenient religion.
> You don't have to believe anything, or do anything, all you have
>to do is cop an attitude and feel superior. Yup, pretty simple.
For me, his view is refreshing. Too many conservatives of various
religions are absolutely sure that they are right, and in their
Righteous way, they are willing to enforce their views via war or
terrorism or whatever means they can.
But the majority of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and other
religions are not so absolutely sure that they know God's will enough
to kill in His name.
This is a good thing.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:41:10
From: SgtMinor
Subject: Re: Long article on why Euro pro golfers think Americans are crazy
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:55:00 -0400, SgtMinor
> <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>>This is the same for any religious group. Not all Jewish groups believe
>>>the Torah is the true word of God. Not all Muslims believe that Koran
>>>is the true word of Allah.
>>>
>>>It is not rocket science. Hell, it is not even as complex as
>>>understanding the golf swing.
>>>
>>>B. tin
>>
>>Now I get it. Christianity must be the most convenient religion.
>> You don't have to believe anything, or do anything, all you have
>>to do is cop an attitude and feel superior. Yup, pretty simple.
>
>
> For me, his view is refreshing. Too many conservatives of various
> religions are absolutely sure that they are right, and in their
> Righteous way, they are willing to enforce their views via war or
> terrorism or whatever means they can.
>
> But the majority of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and other
> religions are not so absolutely sure that they know God's will enough
> to kill in His name.
>
> This is a good thing.
I disagree. If you publicly declare yourself to be a "born again"
Christian, that ought to stand for something. You had better
model your behavior on the life of Christ. And that should
include a commitment to peace, forgiveness, and the love of your
your fellow man. If being Christian means that you can be
anything at all, it means nothing.
Most religious conservatives are hypocrites.
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