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Date: 01 Mar 2007 20:07:41
From: Tom
Subject: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods?
I numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them
for fairway woods yet.
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Date: 02 Mar 2007 09:57:12
From: dgeesaman@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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The ideal launch and spin numbers apply to hitting a ball for *maximum
distance*. Whether you use a driver, 2 wood, or 3 wood to achieve the
optimum (everyone is different), the point is that you have one club
in the bag that does that. All the other clubs are usually higher
loft, to give you shorter shots. But there is more than one way to
hit a shot a particular distance - you have overall shot height and
spin that can be controlled.
It's up to you - do you want fairway wood shots that fly high, fly
low, land with lots of spin, land with less spin (more roll), etc?
However, before I get too far into that question, keep in mind that
these things are strongly controlled by the golfer's swing more than
the club itself.
IMHO, for most golfers a fairway wood is useful for: getting max
distance out of a less-than-perfect lie, and hitting shots in the
range of a long par 3. Many golfers are more enamored by the latter
than the should be - the former is far more important. You should use
fairway woods with which you can consistently deliver a good ball
strike, and get a useful spread of distances.
Dave
On 1, 4:52 pm, Tom <thall91739-nos...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Thanks tin,
>
> Do you know what the ideal launch angle and spin rate of a golf ball
> would be if it were stuck by a 3,5 & 7 fairway wood?
>
>
>
> tin Levac wrote:
> > "Tom" <thall91739-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:hoGFh.4075$Tg7.2550@trnddc03...
> >> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods? I
> >> numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them for
> >> fairway woods yet.
>
> > The numbers apply to the ball, not the club.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 02 Mar 2007 00:28:39
From: sherwindu
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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This is a bit off topic, but what is the reason I cannot get any good results
with my
fairway woods, especially in loft? I can hit irons well on the fairway and
various
woods when teed up. The instruction books seem to gloss over this. Some of the
suggestions I heard and tried unsuccessfully are to grip down on the shaft, flex
the
knees more, and try to just meet the ball at the lowest point of the swing. Any
help
in this matter would be appreciated.
Sherwin D.
Tom wrote:
> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods?
> I numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them
> for fairway woods yet.
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Date: 02 Mar 2007 15:04:15
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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"sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:45E7C417.B45DE9EC@comcast.net...
> This is a bit off topic, but what is the reason I cannot get any good
> results
> with my
> fairway woods, especially in loft? I can hit irons well on the fairway
> and
> various
> woods when teed up. The instruction books seem to gloss over this. Some
> of the
>
> suggestions I heard and tried unsuccessfully are to grip down on the
> shaft, flex
> the
> knees more, and try to just meet the ball at the lowest point of the
> swing. Any
> help
> in this matter would be appreciated.
>
> Sherwin D.
>
A short lesson on golf.
The purpose of golf is to send a ball to a target using a club. The purpose
of the golf swing is exactly the same: To send a ball to a target using a
club.
Production of speed. Transmission of speed.
Production of speed can be defined as the method used to swing the club.
Transmission of speed can be defined as the method used to strike the ball.
From the research, it has been concluded that there was an optimum launch
angle and spin for the ball to be sent the farthest. From other research, it
has been concluded that there was only two possible ways of striking the
ball: The correct way and the incorrect way. From further research, it has
been concluded that a shorter club is easier to use than a longer, thus the
player is able to hit the ball straighter with the shorter club. From even
more research, it has been concluded that when a player can send the ball
straighter, he can also send the ball closer to his target. From even more
research than whatever has been done already, it has been concluded that
there was no technique that could guarantee the player's success. From even
greater research, it has been conclude that practice was the only method to
increase one's own ability.
I will only consider the correct way. I will not consider specialty shots
requirements at the moments. The correct way in this case is the way where
the most speed is transmitted from the clubhead to the ball. In other words,
the ball must be struck in the middle of the clubface with the clubface
squared with the intended line of flight into and along the intended line of
flight. Incidentally, the way that sends the ball the farthest is also the
way that sends the ball the straightest. Or if you prefer, the way that
sends the ball the straightest is also the way that sends the ball the
farthest. Or is you prefer still, the way that sends the ball the
straightest is also the way that sends the ball the closest to your target.
You may think right now that it's all good and swell. It's not. Farther is
not directly related to closer. Closer, in this case, to the target. On the
other hand, straighter is directly related to closer because the straighter
you can send the ball, the closer you can send it to your target. The same
is not true with farther. Questions like "Farther than what?" or "Closer
than what?" come to mind at this point.
Here is where we relate everything to the purpose of golf. Would it not be
more appropriate to practice sending a ball straight until we are able to
send it far? The alternative is that we practice sending the ball far,
farther, farthest all the while sending it nowhere near the target.
If it will help you any, please consider what you are trying to do before
you do it and consider the possible methods you could use to make it easier
to do then choose the easiest and/or the one that will allow to produce the
best possible result.
You could consider that you are trying to strike a very small ball with a
pretty long club and you are trying to send that ball to a very small target
pretty far away. Just that, to me, means that I'll have to be extra careful
to be as precise as I can be with that club if I want to produce correct
contact with the ball so that it is sent as straight as can be done. So, I
will apply all my concentration to focusing my eyes on that little ball so
it means that I will have to keep my head still. Next, I'll have to consider
that I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing while standing in one
spot on my feet so I'll have to consider that planting my feet firmly on the
ground will probably be a better idea than moving them around. And finally,
it seems to me that since I'm trying to hit that tiny ball with that long
club to a tiny target far away, I'll just have to focus on making proper
contact with the ball so I'll just have to forget about everything else but
this specific thought.
Have fun.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 01:20:44
From: sherwindu
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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In response to the two replies I received, I have taken a series of lessons.
All this mumbo jumbo of tin does not address my specific question. I know
how to hit a golf ball. I'm having a specific problem with a specific
circumstance, which
tin did a velous job of dancing around the original question.
I see lot's of golfers avoiding certain clubs because they can't handle them,
but they
still get through the course. I wish to develop all the clubs in my bag.
Everything
tin said applies to any club, not what I was asking for. Birdie Bill at
least had
some concrete tips, which I will try the next time I go out. I hope tin is
not a
golfing instructor. I certainly wouldn't waste my money on him.
Sherwin D.
tin Levac wrote:
> "sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:45E7C417.B45DE9EC@comcast.net...
> > This is a bit off topic, but what is the reason I cannot get any good
> > results
> > with my
> > fairway woods, especially in loft? I can hit irons well on the fairway
> > and
> > various
> > woods when teed up. The instruction books seem to gloss over this. Some
> > of the
> >
> > suggestions I heard and tried unsuccessfully are to grip down on the
> > shaft, flex
> > the
> > knees more, and try to just meet the ball at the lowest point of the
> > swing. Any
> > help
> > in this matter would be appreciated.
> >
> > Sherwin D.
> >
>
> A short lesson on golf.
>
> The purpose of golf is to send a ball to a target using a club. The purpose
> of the golf swing is exactly the same: To send a ball to a target using a
> club.
>
> Production of speed. Transmission of speed.
>
> Production of speed can be defined as the method used to swing the club.
> Transmission of speed can be defined as the method used to strike the ball.
> From the research, it has been concluded that there was an optimum launch
> angle and spin for the ball to be sent the farthest. From other research, it
> has been concluded that there was only two possible ways of striking the
> ball: The correct way and the incorrect way. From further research, it has
> been concluded that a shorter club is easier to use than a longer, thus the
> player is able to hit the ball straighter with the shorter club. From even
> more research, it has been concluded that when a player can send the ball
> straighter, he can also send the ball closer to his target. From even more
> research than whatever has been done already, it has been concluded that
> there was no technique that could guarantee the player's success. From even
> greater research, it has been conclude that practice was the only method to
> increase one's own ability.
>
> I will only consider the correct way. I will not consider specialty shots
> requirements at the moments. The correct way in this case is the way where
> the most speed is transmitted from the clubhead to the ball. In other words,
> the ball must be struck in the middle of the clubface with the clubface
> squared with the intended line of flight into and along the intended line of
> flight. Incidentally, the way that sends the ball the farthest is also the
> way that sends the ball the straightest. Or if you prefer, the way that
> sends the ball the straightest is also the way that sends the ball the
> farthest. Or is you prefer still, the way that sends the ball the
> straightest is also the way that sends the ball the closest to your target.
>
> You may think right now that it's all good and swell. It's not. Farther is
> not directly related to closer. Closer, in this case, to the target. On the
> other hand, straighter is directly related to closer because the straighter
> you can send the ball, the closer you can send it to your target. The same
> is not true with farther. Questions like "Farther than what?" or "Closer
> than what?" come to mind at this point.
>
> Here is where we relate everything to the purpose of golf. Would it not be
> more appropriate to practice sending a ball straight until we are able to
> send it far? The alternative is that we practice sending the ball far,
> farther, farthest all the while sending it nowhere near the target.
>
> If it will help you any, please consider what you are trying to do before
> you do it and consider the possible methods you could use to make it easier
> to do then choose the easiest and/or the one that will allow to produce the
> best possible result.
>
> You could consider that you are trying to strike a very small ball with a
> pretty long club and you are trying to send that ball to a very small target
> pretty far away. Just that, to me, means that I'll have to be extra careful
> to be as precise as I can be with that club if I want to produce correct
> contact with the ball so that it is sent as straight as can be done. So, I
> will apply all my concentration to focusing my eyes on that little ball so
> it means that I will have to keep my head still. Next, I'll have to consider
> that I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing while standing in one
> spot on my feet so I'll have to consider that planting my feet firmly on the
> ground will probably be a better idea than moving them around. And finally,
> it seems to me that since I'm trying to hit that tiny ball with that long
> club to a tiny target far away, I'll just have to focus on making proper
> contact with the ball so I'll just have to forget about everything else but
> this specific thought.
>
> Have fun.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 09:46:49
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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All the mumbo jumbo I have written addresses your specific question, you
simply don't want to listen. Furthermore, you don't listen to your own
words: "Everything
> tin said applies to any club, not what I was asking for." That's fine
> with me.
Make up your mind, do you know how to hit a golf ball or are you having
trouble with your fairway woods?
Come to think of it, I forgot to write: Practice.
"sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:45E921CC.EA8DD43E@comcast.net...
> In response to the two replies I received, I have taken a series of
> lessons.
>
> All this mumbo jumbo of tin does not address my specific question. I
> know
> how to hit a golf ball. I'm having a specific problem with a specific
> circumstance, which
> tin did a velous job of dancing around the original question.
>
> I see lot's of golfers avoiding certain clubs because they can't handle
> them,
> but they
> still get through the course. I wish to develop all the clubs in my bag.
> Everything
> tin said applies to any club, not what I was asking for. Birdie Bill
> at
> least had
> some concrete tips, which I will try the next time I go out. I hope
> tin is
> not a
> golfing instructor. I certainly wouldn't waste my money on him.
>
> Sherwin D.
>
> tin Levac wrote:
>
>> "sherwindu" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:45E7C417.B45DE9EC@comcast.net...
>> > This is a bit off topic, but what is the reason I cannot get any good
>> > results
>> > with my
>> > fairway woods, especially in loft? I can hit irons well on the fairway
>> > and
>> > various
>> > woods when teed up. The instruction books seem to gloss over this.
>> > Some
>> > of the
>> >
>> > suggestions I heard and tried unsuccessfully are to grip down on the
>> > shaft, flex
>> > the
>> > knees more, and try to just meet the ball at the lowest point of the
>> > swing. Any
>> > help
>> > in this matter would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Sherwin D.
>> >
>>
>> A short lesson on golf.
>>
>> The purpose of golf is to send a ball to a target using a club. The
>> purpose
>> of the golf swing is exactly the same: To send a ball to a target using a
>> club.
>>
>> Production of speed. Transmission of speed.
>>
>> Production of speed can be defined as the method used to swing the club.
>> Transmission of speed can be defined as the method used to strike the
>> ball.
>> From the research, it has been concluded that there was an optimum launch
>> angle and spin for the ball to be sent the farthest. From other research,
>> it
>> has been concluded that there was only two possible ways of striking the
>> ball: The correct way and the incorrect way. From further research, it
>> has
>> been concluded that a shorter club is easier to use than a longer, thus
>> the
>> player is able to hit the ball straighter with the shorter club. From
>> even
>> more research, it has been concluded that when a player can send the ball
>> straighter, he can also send the ball closer to his target. From even
>> more
>> research than whatever has been done already, it has been concluded that
>> there was no technique that could guarantee the player's success. From
>> even
>> greater research, it has been conclude that practice was the only method
>> to
>> increase one's own ability.
>>
>> I will only consider the correct way. I will not consider specialty shots
>> requirements at the moments. The correct way in this case is the way
>> where
>> the most speed is transmitted from the clubhead to the ball. In other
>> words,
>> the ball must be struck in the middle of the clubface with the clubface
>> squared with the intended line of flight into and along the intended line
>> of
>> flight. Incidentally, the way that sends the ball the farthest is also
>> the
>> way that sends the ball the straightest. Or if you prefer, the way that
>> sends the ball the straightest is also the way that sends the ball the
>> farthest. Or is you prefer still, the way that sends the ball the
>> straightest is also the way that sends the ball the closest to your
>> target.
>>
>> You may think right now that it's all good and swell. It's not. Farther
>> is
>> not directly related to closer. Closer, in this case, to the target. On
>> the
>> other hand, straighter is directly related to closer because the
>> straighter
>> you can send the ball, the closer you can send it to your target. The
>> same
>> is not true with farther. Questions like "Farther than what?" or "Closer
>> than what?" come to mind at this point.
>>
>> Here is where we relate everything to the purpose of golf. Would it not
>> be
>> more appropriate to practice sending a ball straight until we are able to
>> send it far? The alternative is that we practice sending the ball far,
>> farther, farthest all the while sending it nowhere near the target.
>>
>> If it will help you any, please consider what you are trying to do before
>> you do it and consider the possible methods you could use to make it
>> easier
>> to do then choose the easiest and/or the one that will allow to produce
>> the
>> best possible result.
>>
>> You could consider that you are trying to strike a very small ball with a
>> pretty long club and you are trying to send that ball to a very small
>> target
>> pretty far away. Just that, to me, means that I'll have to be extra
>> careful
>> to be as precise as I can be with that club if I want to produce correct
>> contact with the ball so that it is sent as straight as can be done. So,
>> I
>> will apply all my concentration to focusing my eyes on that little ball
>> so
>> it means that I will have to keep my head still. Next, I'll have to
>> consider
>> that I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing while standing in one
>> spot on my feet so I'll have to consider that planting my feet firmly on
>> the
>> ground will probably be a better idea than moving them around. And
>> finally,
>> it seems to me that since I'm trying to hit that tiny ball with that long
>> club to a tiny target far away, I'll just have to focus on making proper
>> contact with the ball so I'll just have to forget about everything else
>> but
>> this specific thought.
>>
>> Have fun.
>
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 20:27:29
From: GaryC_47
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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"Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway
> woods? I numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I
> haven't found them for fairway woods yet.
I'm not sure if this will answer your question but I don't think
you'll find them because I don't think they're as relevant as the
driver numbers.
Off the tee the numbers would be the same as for the driver. The
goal off the tee is maximum distance. Off the ground the goals are
different. You're trying to find the clubs that fill the yardage gap
between your 'best' strongest lofted iron and your 'longest fairway
wood' (maybe the 3wd) while giving a high trajectory that will allow
the ball to stop with some control on the green. (By 'best' iron I
mean the strongest lofted iron that gives you that high
trajectory. - depending on your swing that might be a 2 iron or it
might be a 6 iron.)
A 3 wood hit off the ground will probably have a lower launch
angle/more spin that when hitting it off a tee. How you normally use
the 3 wood should determine what you look for as far as launch
conditions for the 3 wood. Off the ground with a ball speed of 140
mph, for example, you're looking for a launch angle in the range of
8.5 - 12.5 deg with a backspin rpm between 2850-3650 to give you the
trajectory we're looking for. (These numbers are from the Titleist
FittingWorks (tm) manual.) If you can't get a 3 wood up in the air
you should be considering a higher lofted wood for your 'longest
fairway wood'.
Once you know the 'longest fairway wood' distance you can begin to
choose the appropriate clubs to fill the yardage gap which is
typically about 30 to 50 yards. Now you're looking for the 3 or 4
clubs that will give you the nice high trajectory that stops on the
green with carry distances that evenly divide the gap. Choose the
lofts and forget about the backspin. When fitting these clubs we
only look at the trajectory and the carry distance, even when using
a launch monitor.
Gary
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Date: 02 Mar 2007 02:37:46
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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On Thu, 1 2007 20:27:29 -0500, "GaryC_47"
<garyc_48_minus_1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Off the tee the numbers would be the same as for the driver. The
>goal off the tee is maximum distance.
I use a variety of clubs off the tee - to go different distances. For
instance on par-3 holes.
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:02:23
From: GaryC_47
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote:
> On Thu, 1 2007 20:27:29 -0500, "GaryC_47"
> <garyc_48_minus_1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Off the tee the numbers would be the same as for the driver. The
>>goal off the tee is maximum distance.
>
> I use a variety of clubs off the tee - to go different distances.
> For
> instance on par-3 holes.
Sorry Howard, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean "from the tee box". What
I meant was that when hitting a ball that is teed up, with a driver,
the numbers for the driver would apply to the fairway woods as well.
The numbers he is referring to are the launch angle and backspin
which give the optimum launch conditions for maximum carry distance.
eg. at 170 mph ball speed, approx. 10.2 deg launch angle with 2600
rpm backspin gives 281+ yards carry.
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 15:35:02
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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"Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:hoGFh.4075$Tg7.2550@trnddc03...
> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods? I
> numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them for
> fairway woods yet.
The numbers apply to the ball, not the club.
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 21:52:21
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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Thanks tin,
Do you know what the ideal launch angle and spin rate of a golf ball
would be if it were stuck by a 3,5 & 7 fairway wood?
tin Levac wrote:
> "Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hoGFh.4075$Tg7.2550@trnddc03...
>> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods? I
>> numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them for
>> fairway woods yet.
>
> The numbers apply to the ball, not the club.
>
>
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:33:20
From:
Subject: Re: Launch angle & spin rate for fairway woods
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On Thu, 01 2007 21:52:21 GMT, Tom <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Thanks tin,
>
>Do you know what the ideal launch angle and spin rate of a golf ball
>would be if it were stuck by a 3,5 & 7 fairway wood?
:)
>
>tin Levac wrote:
>> "Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hoGFh.4075$Tg7.2550@trnddc03...
>>> Is there an ideal launch angle and spin rate for 3,5 & 7 fairway woods? I
>>> numbers for drivers are everywhere on the web but I haven't found them for
>>> fairway woods yet.
>>
>> The numbers apply to the ball, not the club.
>>
>>
"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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