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Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:29:54
From: Dick Snyder
Subject: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this newsgroup
specifically. I could only find one thread but the information I was looking
for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the thread I did find, I
too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for pitching and the
more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to the flag from 130 yards
and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the job but are very pricey.
The scopes require you to be able to see the base of the flag (hole) and the
top. In many cases that should be possible. Has anyone had experience with
scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?

TIA.

Dick Snyder






 
Date: 14 Apr 2007 04:34:51
From: cja
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
On Apr 13, 7:17 pm, BAR <scre...@you.com > wrote:
> cja wrote:

> > I got my Nikon LaserCaddy last Christmas, and tried it for the first
> > time the week before last for 3 rounds in Scottsdale. It worked great.
> > The only times I remember having any trouble acquiring the flag was
> > when there were a lot of trees close to the pin behind the green. Even
> > then, with a little more work, I could get the pin.

> How many times did you put the ball within three yards of the pin?
>
A few. I hit a lot of good approach shots. It never hurt knowing how
far I was from the flag.





 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 13:17:12
From: cja
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
On Apr 12, 10:17 pm, "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksny...@comcast.net >
wrote:
> Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want to
> shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
> LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?
>
I got my Nikon LaserCaddy last Christmas, and tried it for the first
time the week before last for 3 rounds in Scottsdale. It worked great.
The only times I remember having any trouble acquiring the flag was
when there were a lot of trees close to the pin behind the green. Even
then, with a little more work, I could get the pin.

If you are really worried about shaky hands, you might need a Bushnell
with the pinseeker feature. For people with reasonably steady hands,
the Nikon is good too.

- cja




  
Date: 14 Apr 2007 10:05:38
From: Dick Snyder
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
I doubt that my hands are any shakier than anyone else who reads this group.
I was just reacting to feedback I have read various places about needing to
support the hands holding the range finder. As I mentioned in my original
post, I am primarily interested in good distance measurements from within
130 yards so I can try to get close to the pin. Sounds like the Nikon 500G
might do the trick and it is somewhat cheaper than the pinseeker models from
Bushnell I think. I guess the next step is to see if I can find a golf shop
that would let me try the Nikon out on a golf course.


"cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote in message
news:1176495432.817046.169250@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 12, 10:17 pm, "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksny...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want
>> to
>> shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
>> LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?
>>
> I got my Nikon LaserCaddy last Christmas, and tried it for the first
> time the week before last for 3 rounds in Scottsdale. It worked great.
> The only times I remember having any trouble acquiring the flag was
> when there were a lot of trees close to the pin behind the green. Even
> then, with a little more work, I could get the pin.
>
> If you are really worried about shaky hands, you might need a Bushnell
> with the pinseeker feature. For people with reasonably steady hands,
> the Nikon is good too.
>
> - cja
>
>




   
Date: 14 Apr 2007 22:42:15
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:05:38 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
<REMOVE_dicksnyder@comcast.net > wrote:

>I doubt that my hands are any shakier than anyone else who reads this group.
>I was just reacting to feedback I have read various places about needing to
>support the hands holding the range finder.

My feedback about that was for cheap optical range finders.


  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 19:17:51
From: BAR
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
cja wrote:
> On Apr 12, 10:17 pm, "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksny...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want to
>> shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
>> LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?
>>
> I got my Nikon LaserCaddy last Christmas, and tried it for the first
> time the week before last for 3 rounds in Scottsdale. It worked great.
> The only times I remember having any trouble acquiring the flag was
> when there were a lot of trees close to the pin behind the green. Even
> then, with a little more work, I could get the pin.
>
> If you are really worried about shaky hands, you might need a Bushnell
> with the pinseeker feature. For people with reasonably steady hands,
> the Nikon is good too.

How many times did you put the ball within three yards of the pin?


   
Date: 13 Apr 2007 20:25:21
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"BAR" <screwed@you.com > wrote in message
news:S_KdnYTZ7_EBkr3bnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com...

> How many times did you put the ball within three yards of the pin?

How many times have you misjudged the distance by a club or two?

Otto




    
Date: 13 Apr 2007 22:56:14
From: BAR
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Otto wrote:
> "BAR" <screwed@you.com> wrote in message
> news:S_KdnYTZ7_EBkr3bnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> How many times did you put the ball within three yards of the pin?
>
> How many times have you misjudged the distance by a club or two?

I have to take off my gloves, shoes & socks and my pants to count.


     
Date: 14 Apr 2007 00:30:27
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"BAR" <screwed@you.com > wrote in message
news:TfGdnarKd6JW373bnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Otto wrote:
> > "BAR" <screwed@you.com> wrote in message
> > news:S_KdnYTZ7_EBkr3bnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >> How many times did you put the ball within three yards of the pin?
> >
> > How many times have you misjudged the distance by a club or two?
>
> I have to take off my gloves, shoes & socks and my pants to count.



Screw the three yards.

You need a rangefinder. : >)

Otto




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 07:36:22
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
On Apr 12, 6:29 pm, "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksny...@comcast.net >
wrote:
> The scopes require you to be able to see the base of the flag (hole) and the
> top. In many cases that should be possible. Has anyone had experience with
> scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>

Also, some courses have flagsticks of different heights so that
becomes another variable. Scopes are pretty useless since you must be
able to see the entire flagstick. Judging distances is pretty easy in
those cases. It is when you can't see much of the flag that judging
distances becomes a problem.

Back in the old days some golfers and caddies would keep a pencil with
notches cut on it. By holding the pencil at arm's length and gauging
the flagstick, they could determine the distance depending on how many
notches high it was.

And who said you'd never use that geometry?






  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 22:00:01
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
trig : -)

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176474982.631250.316010@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 12, 6:29 pm, "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksny...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> The scopes require you to be able to see the base of the flag (hole) and
>> the
>> top. In many cases that should be possible. Has anyone had experience
>> with
>> scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>>
>
> Also, some courses have flagsticks of different heights so that
> becomes another variable. Scopes are pretty useless since you must be
> able to see the entire flagstick. Judging distances is pretty easy in
> those cases. It is when you can't see much of the flag that judging
> distances becomes a problem.
>
> Back in the old days some golfers and caddies would keep a pencil with
> notches cut on it. By holding the pencil at arm's length and gauging
> the flagstick, they could determine the distance depending on how many
> notches high it was.
>
> And who said you'd never use that geometry?
>
>
>
>




 
Date: 13 Apr 2007 04:01:06
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Ebay $100
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUSHNELL-YARDAGE-PRO-400-LASER-RANGEFINDER_W0QQitemZ300099349405QQihZ020QQcategoryZ31712QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem





 
Date: 12 Apr 2007 22:17:37
From: Dick Snyder
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want to
shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?


"Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:IIednbZoe5UnL4PbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this
> newsgroup specifically. I could only find one thread but the information I
> was looking for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the thread I
> did find, I too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for
> pitching and the more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to the
> flag from 130 yards and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the job
> but are very pricey. The scopes require you to be able to see the base of
> the flag (hole) and the top. In many cases that should be possible. Has
> anyone had experience with scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>




  
Date: 12 Apr 2007 22:26:12
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:_vOdnS-wEPyGdYPbnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want to
> shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
> LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?
>
>
> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:IIednbZoe5UnL4PbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this
> > newsgroup specifically. I could only find one thread but the information
I
> > was looking for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the thread
I
> > did find, I too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for
> > pitching and the more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to
the
> > flag from 130 yards and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the
job
> > but are very pricey. The scopes require you to be able to see the base
of
> > the flag (hole) and the top. In many cases that should be possible. Has
> > anyone had experience with scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?


I love this one:

bushnell tour xl

http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?sofocus=bs&satitle=bushnell+tour
+xl&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC5&fbd=1&from=R6&nojspr=y&pfid=0&fswc=1&few=&saprclo
=&saprchi=&fss=0&saslop=1&sasl=&fls=4%26floc%3D1&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D0&salic=
1&saatc=1&sadis=200&fpos=30024&fsct=&sacur=0&sacqyop=ge&sacqy=&ftrt=1&ftrv=1
&sabdlo=&sabdhi=&saaff=afdefault&afcj=&afmp=&fsop=11%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=5
0


Pinseeker technology at a great price.

I have grabbed the pin from 40 yards to 325 yards. It is rated up to 350
yards.

Usually go for $180 or less on Ebay.

Otto




   
Date: 15 Apr 2007 00:05:59
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:KSBTh.170$29.154@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
snip

>
http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?sofocus=bs&satitle=bushnell+tour
>
+xl&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC5&fbd=1&from=R6&nojspr=y&pfid=0&fswc=1&few=&saprclo
>
=&saprchi=&fss=0&saslop=1&sasl=&fls=4%26floc%3D1&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D0&salic=
>
1&saatc=1&sadis=200&fpos=30024&fsct=&sacur=0&sacqyop=ge&sacqy=&ftrt=1&ftrv=1
>
&sabdlo=&sabdhi=&saaff=afdefault&afcj=&afmp=&fsop=11%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=5
> 0
>
>
> Pinseeker technology at a great price.
>
> I have grabbed the pin from 40 yards to 325 yards. It is rated up to 350
> yards.
>
> Usually go for $180 or less on Ebay.
>
> Otto
>
>

I see a lot of "Yardage Pro Tour" and some Yardage Pro Tour XL". I assume
that it is only the 'XL' models with Pinseeker - that right?

Thanks.

dave




    
Date: 14 Apr 2007 22:55:45
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:H%dUh.782$j63.429@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I see a lot of "Yardage Pro Tour" and some Yardage Pro Tour XL". I assume
> that it is only the 'XL' models with Pinseeker - that right?


I can not speak for the Yardage Pro Tour model. Based on the info I see on
the Bushnell site, it does NOT have pinseeker. I would NOT buy a Bushnell
rangefinder without that technology. It looks like the Medalist W/Pinseeker
would be there current lowest model that has pinseeker technology.

You most definitely want that pinseeker technology.

The Yardage Pro Tour XL is the one I have. It does have pinseeker and it
will grab a pin out to 350 yards. I use the scan function and it is great
for telling you distances on anything you touch with the pipper. It will
sort out the pin from background noise like trees, etc.

It is my understanding that the XL was Bushnell's top of the line until they
came out with the Pinseeker 1500. Those will set you back nearly 500 bucks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUSHNELL-YARDAGE-PRO-TOUR-XL-GOLF-LASER-RANGE-FINDER_W0Q
QitemZ160105105598QQihZ006QQcategoryZ111289QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView
Item

Hth.

Otto







     
Date: 15 Apr 2007 12:06:19
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Re: Attached

Got it - thx.

dave

"Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:pugUh.3133$Wm.2268@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> news:H%dUh.782$j63.429@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > I see a lot of "Yardage Pro Tour" and some Yardage Pro Tour XL". I
assume
> > that it is only the 'XL' models with Pinseeker - that right?
>
>
> I can not speak for the Yardage Pro Tour model. Based on the info I see on
> the Bushnell site, it does NOT have pinseeker. I would NOT buy a Bushnell
> rangefinder without that technology. It looks like the Medalist
W/Pinseeker
> would be there current lowest model that has pinseeker technology.
>
> You most definitely want that pinseeker technology.
>
> The Yardage Pro Tour XL is the one I have. It does have pinseeker and it
> will grab a pin out to 350 yards. I use the scan function and it is great
> for telling you distances on anything you touch with the pipper. It will
> sort out the pin from background noise like trees, etc.
>
> It is my understanding that the XL was Bushnell's top of the line until
they
> came out with the Pinseeker 1500. Those will set you back nearly 500
bucks.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUSHNELL-YARDAGE-PRO-TOUR-XL-GOLF-LASER-RANGE-FINDER_W0Q
>
QitemZ160105105598QQihZ006QQcategoryZ111289QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView
> Item
>
> Hth.
>
> Otto
>
>
>
>
>




   
Date: 13 Apr 2007 08:11:36
From: Dick Snyder
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
How about problems finding the pin due to shaky hands or other targets
(bushes or trees or mounds) behind the pin?


"Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:KSBTh.170$29.154@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_vOdnS-wEPyGdYPbnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Thanks for the quick feedback. Looks like laser would be best if I want
>> to
>> shell out the money. I have been reading good things about the Nikon 500G
>> LaserCaddy. Do any of you newsgroup people have one of these?
>>
>>
>> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:IIednbZoe5UnL4PbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this
>> > newsgroup specifically. I could only find one thread but the
>> > information
> I
>> > was looking for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the
>> > thread
> I
>> > did find, I too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for
>> > pitching and the more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to
> the
>> > flag from 130 yards and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the
> job
>> > but are very pricey. The scopes require you to be able to see the base
> of
>> > the flag (hole) and the top. In many cases that should be possible. Has
>> > anyone had experience with scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>
>
> I love this one:
>
> bushnell tour xl
>
> http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?sofocus=bs&satitle=bushnell+tour
> +xl&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC5&fbd=1&from=R6&nojspr=y&pfid=0&fswc=1&few=&saprclo
> =&saprchi=&fss=0&saslop=1&sasl=&fls=4%26floc%3D1&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D0&salic=
> 1&saatc=1&sadis=200&fpos=30024&fsct=&sacur=0&sacqyop=ge&sacqy=&ftrt=1&ftrv=1
> &sabdlo=&sabdhi=&saaff=afdefault&afcj=&afmp=&fsop=11%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=5
> 0
>
>
> Pinseeker technology at a great price.
>
> I have grabbed the pin from 40 yards to 325 yards. It is rated up to 350
> yards.
>
> Usually go for $180 or less on Ebay.
>
> Otto
>
>




    
Date: 13 Apr 2007 11:39:20
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes

"Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:Urednae57rvS7oLbnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> How about problems finding the pin due to shaky hands or other targets
> (bushes or trees or mounds) behind the pin?


The pinseeker technology, which is a property of bushnell and is what sets
apart their high dollar range finders, eliminates that problem. The
technology is desinged to grab the pin and it works beautifully. That
technology is in the XL.

I do not know what kind of shakiness you are concerned about. If you have a
physical condition, such as parkinsons and your hands shake more than
"normal", then I doubt any rangefinder would work beyond a short distance.

I walk and sometimes after I have hoofed it 250 yards up a steep hill I can
be breathing pretty hard and that can make it more difficult to steady the
rangefinder but instead of taking 3 seconds to lock the pipper on the pin,
it might take me 10 seconds. Of course, the longer the shot to the pin, the
more steady you have to be. Under 200 yards is real easy and never a
problem. When you start trying to measure at the outer limits of 280-350,
the steadiness is more of an issue.

For me, anything over 250 is measuring a stand of trees or something on a
dogleg or analyzing something else off the tee. Those are big and easy to
hit. For a normal shot from a fairway/rough, any pin past 250 is a
non-issue for me.

I would guess 99% of your rangefinder useage will be under 220 yards. A vast
majority of that under 200 yards.

Otto





 
Date: 12 Apr 2007 23:15:08
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
I believe with the "scopes", they also assume the flag pole is a
consistent height, which is sometimes not true. Fairly lame IMHO.

If you really want accurate, I think you need to go for the laser (or a
GPS). Although, in most cases, I think I can estimate just about as
accurately using the 100 yd marker (or 75, or 50, or whatever's on the
sprinkler head), and pacing off the difference ... at least accurate
enough for *my* game 8^(.

Rob

Dick Snyder wrote:
> Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this newsgroup
> specifically. I could only find one thread but the information I was looking
> for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the thread I did find, I
> too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for pitching and the
> more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to the flag from 130 yards
> and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the job but are very pricey.
> The scopes require you to be able to see the base of the flag (hole) and the
> top. In many cases that should be possible. Has anyone had experience with
> scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>


 
Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:44:36
From: Joe
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
Dick Snyder wrote:
> Before making this post I googled this topic and searched in this newsgroup
> specifically. I could only find one thread but the information I was looking
> for wasn't conclusive. Like one of the posters in the thread I did find, I
> too am following the Pelz Short Game bible strategy for pitching and the
> more lofted irons. I need to have good distances to the flag from 130 yards
> and closer. Laser range finders can clearly do the job but are very pricey.
> The scopes require you to be able to see the base of the flag (hole) and the
> top. In many cases that should be possible. Has anyone had experience with
> scopes and if so, would you mind sharing it?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
>

I think there is still one rattling around in the bottom of my bag that
I received as a gift years back. I tried to use it a few times and
found that, as you point out, the base of the stick has to be visible.
Inside of 50 yards my eyeball is just as good and between 50 and 120 my
own swing / distance variation and shot choice error is larger that my
error rate for judging the distance.

Bottom line, imho, a waste of money, at least for me.

Joe


  
Date: 13 Apr 2007 00:22:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Laser ranger finders versus scopes
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:44:36 -0400, Joe <Joe@nospamwarwickDOTnet.org >
wrote:

>I think there is still one rattling around in the bottom of my bag that
>I received as a gift years back. I tried to use it a few times and
>found that, as you point out, the base of the stick has to be visible.
>Inside of 50 yards my eyeball is just as good and between 50 and 120 my
>own swing / distance variation and shot choice error is larger that my
>error rate for judging the distance.

And you've got to have very steady hands. I used it one time in an
unfamiliar course. I didn't notice until I got to the green that
that course had oversized flagsticks.