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Date: 08 Feb 2007 14:29:39
From: WW
Subject: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070208/sp_nm/golf_pga_international_dc_1
Is it fair to blame Tiger here? I know there are alot of Tiger haters,
but what about everybody else? I often wonder about Tigers
endoursements (Nike) & how there hurt every time Tiger backs out. I DO
think the PGA needs to mandate a minumum number of majors that these
guys HAVE to play. I think Jack Nic was interviewed & said something
about the money. Just about all the pros are making 100's of thousands
ea. yr so the motivation is not there to do extra like VJ does.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 08:17:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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On Feb 8, 5:29 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
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> Is it fair to blame Tiger here?
If Tiger wanted to play a points system he'd play with the Thursday
Thieves in their weekly game at Pungent Municipal.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 08:46:34
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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On 8 Feb 2007 14:29:39 -0800, "WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote:
>Is it fair to blame Tiger here? I know there are alot of Tiger haters,
>but what about everybody else? I often wonder about Tigers
>endoursements (Nike) & how there hurt every time Tiger backs out.
Blaming Tiger isn't fair to Tiger - but it does have a lot of truth.
For many people, Tiger *is* the tour. Tournaments where he doesn't
play are not on the radar screen.
It would be unfair to require him to go to every tournament - and such
a rule could backfire if he finds he would rather retire from the PGA
tour (other tours would still welcome him). Actually, the Tour is
trying to mandate that the stars play at the end of the year - and we
will see if that was a good idea or a mistake.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 09:57:46
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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> Blaming Tiger isn't fair to Tiger - but it does have a lot of truth.
> For many people, Tiger *is* the tour. Tournaments where he doesn't
> play are not on the radar screen.
>
> It would be unfair to require him to go to every tournament - and such
> a rule could backfire if he finds he would rather retire from the PGA
> tour (other tours would still welcome him). Actually, the Tour is
> trying to mandate that the stars play at the end of the year - and we
> will see if that was a good idea or a mistake.
>
The real problem is that there are too many competing tours, and too much
money to be made on and off the tour. I don't have the figures, but I
believe the top stars used play more tournaments and that the priy reason
was that there weren't as many other opportunities for them. Tiger played
in Dubai last week. Jack and Arnie didn't have that opportunity. The
growth of purses and huge endorsement contracts, as well as the
accessibility of tournaments on other continents means that Tiger and the
rest don't have to play every week to make a very decent living. I think it
hurts the tour when this happens because the previous generation of pros
made repeated connections with local fans who came out to see their
favorites year after year, and that's not happening to the same extent at
least. It's not Tiger's fault. It's a bit like the golf equivalent of free
agency and salary caps -- players pick and choose their opportunities,
whether it's which team to play with or which tournament to play in.
--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 03:42:24
From: Manco
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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warren montgomery wrote:
> The real problem is that there are too many competing tours, and too
> much money to be made on and off the tour. I don't have the figures,
> but I believe the top stars used play more tournaments and that the
> priy reason was that there weren't as many other opportunities for
> them. Tiger played in Dubai last week. Jack and Arnie didn't have
> that opportunity. The growth of purses and huge endorsement
Tiger is the sole cause of the growth of purses and huge endoresment. Jack
and Arnie just weren't good enuf.
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 14:08:11
From: David
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:42:24 GMT, "Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com >
wrote:
>warren montgomery wrote:
>> The real problem is that there are too many competing tours, and too
>> much money to be made on and off the tour. I don't have the figures,
>> but I believe the top stars used play more tournaments and that the
>> priy reason was that there weren't as many other opportunities for
>> them. Tiger played in Dubai last week. Jack and Arnie didn't have
>> that opportunity. The growth of purses and huge endorsement
>
>Tiger is the sole cause of the growth of purses and huge endoresment. Jack
>and Arnie just weren't good enuf.
This is utterly ridiculous. There have been growth spurts in the
game. Arnie was the driving force in bringing golf to the masses.
Without Arnie, Woods father may never have shown an interest in the
game, which would have lead to Woods playing baseball, perhaps.
There was also a good argument being made for Bob Hope in having a
large impact on the acceptance of golf as as "volkssport" in the US.
In my case, I got involved with golf at a very young age. My dad took
up the game in the late 50's, which was certainly due to Arnie's
presence in the game.
The FBR, although Woods does not play there, has an amazing amount
of attendance. Why? Because the golf played there is different than
what one sees at the other events--fan participation. Now, you can
argue that it is detrimental to the game; however, in the day and age
of "ultimate fighting" etc..., it is inevitable that golf become a
louder sport. I, for one, find the 16th hole at the FBR to be the
most exciting, and most honest, hole in the game of golf.
The closest that I have seen any event come to this is the Ryder Cup
and the crowd in New Orleans. A few years back, when David Toms was
winning "at home," it sounded like a football game was being played
and not some stuffy white shirt golf tournament.
The game will evolve even without Woods and will be taken to a level
that will make the powers-that-be in Augusta blush. It will be better
for the game, in the long run.
David
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 12:20:48
From: Kenn Smith
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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I read earlier this year that Jack Vickers was very unhappy with the
dates the tour had given him this year, and probably in the out years,
and was considering scrubbing the tournament as far back as last
November.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 10:48:33
From: Loudon Briggs
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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"warren montgomery" <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
(CLIP)
Tiger played
>in Dubai last week. Jack and Arnie didn't have that opportunity. The
>growth of purses and huge endorsement contracts, as well as the
>accessibility of tournaments on other continents means that Tiger and the
>rest don't have to play every week to make a very decent living.
(CLIP)
I believe it's the "appearance money" that does the loudest talking in
situations such as Dubai and others like it.
--
Loudon R. Briggs larebe@bbz.net Phoenix, AZ
"How Can You Not Like A Game Where It's Okay To
Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies,
and If You're Under Par It's A Great Day!"
(from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves -- used with permission)
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 07:15:00
From: JJVP
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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On Feb 8, 4:29 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070208/sp_nm/golf_pga_international_dc_1
>
> Is it fair to blame Tiger here? I know there are alot of Tiger haters,
> but what about everybody else? I often wonder about Tigers
> endoursements (Nike) & how there hurt every time Tiger backs out. I DO
> think the PGA needs to mandate a minumum number of majors that these
> guys HAVE to play. I think Jack Nic was interviewed & said something
> about the money. Just about all the pros are making 100's of thousands
> ea. yr so the motivation is not there to do extra like VJ does.
"I DO think the PGA needs to mandate a minumum number of majors that
these
guys HAVE to play."
There are 4 majors every year. Tiger plays all of them. So do all top
players. There is a minimum of 15 events they have to play every year.
Tiger plays between 15-20 PGA events/yr. Always has.
JJVP
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 07:49:20
From: Steve Gavette
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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"WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote in message
news:1170973779.493848.10560@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070208/sp_nm/golf_pga_international_dc_1
>
> Is it fair to blame Tiger here? I know there are alot of Tiger haters,
> but what about everybody else? I often wonder about Tigers
> endoursements (Nike) & how there hurt every time Tiger backs out. I DO
> think the PGA needs to mandate a minumum number of majors that these
> guys HAVE to play. I think Jack Nic was interviewed & said something
> about the money. Just about all the pros are making 100's of thousands
> ea. yr so the motivation is not there to do extra like VJ does.
I believe there is a minimum number of tournaments each player must attend
each year.
The 2007 FBR Open had the 2nd highest attendance, second only to last year.
Tiger hasn't played here in 7 years, so his absence hasn't had much impact.
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Date: 08 Feb 2007 18:15:13
From: 3Putt from South Carolina
Subject: Re: Lack of sponsors, Tiger costs International PGA tour slot
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"WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote in message
news:1170973779.493848.10560@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070208/sp_nm/golf_pga_international_dc_1
>
> Is it fair to blame Tiger here? I know there are alot of Tiger haters,
> but what about everybody else? I often wonder about Tigers
> endoursements (Nike) & how there hurt every time Tiger backs out. I DO
> think the PGA needs to mandate a minumum number of majors that these
> guys HAVE to play. I think Jack Nic was interviewed & said something
> about the money. Just about all the pros are making 100's of thousands
> ea. yr so the motivation is not there to do extra like VJ does.
>
Another reason to blame Tiger? George Bush must fit in here somehow. The
PGA should not be dictating anything. The Masters is not a PGA event, nor
is The Open. Tiger plays around the world. Take that away from him? Maybe
Greg Norman has a comment or two to your suggestions/complaints.
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