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Date: 08 Apr 2007 16:16:39
From: annika1980
Subject: Jesus Wins The Masters!

(AUGUSTA, GA)
April 8, 2007

In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
serious threat.

On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
year's "Champion's Supper."

Date: 13 Apr 2007 06:11:01
From:
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 13, 7:55 am, "George Hibbard" <g...@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
> <helensilverb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176449452.666852.62240@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 12, 11:47 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there
> >> > are
> >> > times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
> >> > times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going
> >> > man,
> >> > I'm sure you can relate to that.
>
> >> Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.
>
> >> I get my religion almost every day when I'm out taking pics. I'll go
> >> on top of the mountain just to listen to the stillness and the
> >> silence. I watch in wonderment as the eagles fly high up in the
> >> clouds. I'll walk in the woods and listen to the birds and the
> >> squirrels and the sound of a distant train.
> >> I love a good thunderstorm.
>
> >> I worship Nature and give thanks every day to whoever created it.
> >> I don't worship dead people.
>
> > Well put Bret! I want to know if Johnson thanks Jesus for His
> > presence during those times when he loses?
> > Helen
>
> His demeanor makes me believe the answer to that is YES.
>
> More power to him.
>
> Not all who spout "Jesus" are shallow about their faith [despite the bad
> name it gets from TV hawkers and those mostly in the charismatic community
> who are the loudest and most ignorant of what they are dealing with]. AND
> it is quite appropriate TO thank the Son of God for anything. He doesn't
> get much good press.

I sincerely hope you're right. We all know too well about the TV
hawkers and people you would least expect to clearly be hypocrites.
Helen

Date: 13 Apr 2007 05:15:23
From: me
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 12, 11:47 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
[snip]
> I get my religion almost every day when I'm out taking pics. I'll go
> on top of the mountain just to listen to the stillness and the
> silence. I watch in wonderment as the eagles fly high up in the
> clouds. I'll walk in the woods and listen to the birds and the
> squirrels and the sound of a distant train.
> I love a good thunderstorm.

Someone once said something about the "rocks and stones
themselves would start to sing". I've always kinda understood that.

Date: 13 Apr 2007 00:30:52
From:
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 12, 11:47 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
>
> > Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there are
> > times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
> > times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going man,
> > I'm sure you can relate to that.
>
> Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.
>
> I get my religion almost every day when I'm out taking pics. I'll go
> on top of the mountain just to listen to the stillness and the
> silence. I watch in wonderment as the eagles fly high up in the
> clouds. I'll walk in the woods and listen to the birds and the
> squirrels and the sound of a distant train.
> I love a good thunderstorm.
>
> I worship Nature and give thanks every day to whoever created it.
> I don't worship dead people.

Well put Bret! I want to know if Johnson thanks Jesus for His
presence during those times when he loses?
Helen

Date: 13 Apr 2007 07:55:46
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

<helensilverburg@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1176449452.666852.62240@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 12, 11:47 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there
>> > are
>> > times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
>> > times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going
>> > man,
>> > I'm sure you can relate to that.
>>
>> Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.
>>
>> I get my religion almost every day when I'm out taking pics. I'll go
>> on top of the mountain just to listen to the stillness and the
>> silence. I watch in wonderment as the eagles fly high up in the
>> clouds. I'll walk in the woods and listen to the birds and the
>> squirrels and the sound of a distant train.
>> I love a good thunderstorm.
>>
>> I worship Nature and give thanks every day to whoever created it.
>> I don't worship dead people.
>
> Well put Bret! I want to know if Johnson thanks Jesus for His
> presence during those times when he loses?
> Helen
>

His demeanor makes me believe the answer to that is YES.

More power to him.

Not all who spout "Jesus" are shallow about their faith [despite the bad
name it gets from TV hawkers and those mostly in the charismatic community
who are the loudest and most ignorant of what they are dealing with]. AND
it is quite appropriate TO thank the Son of God for anything. He doesn't
get much good press.

Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:47:04
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com > wrote:

> Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there are
> times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
> times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going man,
> I'm sure you can relate to that.

Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.

I get my religion almost every day when I'm out taking pics. I'll go
on top of the mountain just to listen to the stillness and the
silence. I watch in wonderment as the eagles fly high up in the
clouds. I'll walk in the woods and listen to the birds and the
squirrels and the sound of a distant train.
I love a good thunderstorm.

I worship Nature and give thanks every day to whoever created it.
I don't worship dead people.

Date: 13 Apr 2007 15:14:32
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176436024.698187.247570@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.

My confusion. I thought I remembered you posting a photo a while back with
the comment that it had been taken from in front of your church. Musta been
someone else.

Tangent - is Church's still around? Haven't seen one of their stores in
California in ages.

> I don't worship dead people.

We're on the same page on that one, then.

Al Maseeh Qam! Christos Voskrese!

DJJ

Date: 13 Apr 2007 09:28:57
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On 12 Apr 2007 20:47:04 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:

>On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
>
>> Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there are
>> times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
>> times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going man,
>> I'm sure you can relate to that.
>
>Dude, the closest I get to a church is Church's Fried Chicken.

What about "Pope Yes" chicken?
--

jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 13 Apr 2007 12:52:30
From: WhiteOut
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

> I don't worship dead people.
>

HA! Neither do Christians!

Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:55:18
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 12, 1:16 am, "bill-o" <assimil...@borg.org > wrote:

> > If you attribute your faith to your victories then you must also use
> > it to explain your losses, right?
>
> Why?

Because otherwise you must admit that either:

A. Jesus isn't with you all the time.
or
B. Jesus was with you, but let you lose.

If you answer "A" then your faith is lacking.
If you answer "B" then you are saying that Jesus really doesn't care
who wins or that maybe Jesus wanted someone else to win. And if that
is true then why even bring Jesus into it? Zach sounds like a kid
saying, "Mom likes me the best!"

So either Jesus doesn't care who wins a golf tournament or Jesus will
decide the winner anyway so there really isn't much we can do about
it.
Personally, I think that Zach's grandfather, Bobby Jones, and
Cleopatra had as much influence on the outcome as Jesus did. Nada.
They're all dead!

Date: 13 Apr 2007 03:30:16
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On 12-Apr-2007, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

> Because otherwise you must admit that either:
>
> A. Jesus isn't with you all the time.
> or
> B. Jesus was with you, but let you lose.
> If you answer "A" then your faith is lacking.
> If you answer "B" then you are saying that Jesus really doesn't care
> who wins or that maybe Jesus wanted someone else to win. And if that
> is true then why even bring Jesus into it? Zach sounds like a kid
> saying, "Mom likes me the best!"

Your argument doesn't hold water. Faith, so it is said, allows a person to
get through a difficult patch w/o giving up. If Zach's faith was placed in
Jesus then so be it. But, in the end, he was but a source of inner strength.
Anyone who understood that Jesus did anything as a direct cause, for or
against anyone in the tournament, misunderstood what Johnson was trying to
convey.

> So either Jesus doesn't care who wins a golf tournament or Jesus will
> decide the winner anyway so there really isn't much we can do about
> it.

Probably more of the former than the latter.

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:28:08
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176386118.292239.18990@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> Because otherwise you must admit that either:
>
> A. Jesus isn't with you all the time.
> or
> B. Jesus was with you, but let you lose.
>
> If you answer "A" then your faith is lacking.
> If you answer "B" then you are saying that Jesus really doesn't care
> who wins or that maybe Jesus wanted someone else to win. And if that
> is true then why even bring Jesus into it? Zach sounds like a kid
> saying, "Mom likes me the best!"

Other alternatives to "A" - Jesus may be with us all the time but there are
times when we may simply feel that presence more or less than at other
times. Bret, you've mentioned in the past that you're a church-going man,
I'm sure you can relate to that.

Alternative to "B" - If we're playing an event, Jesus' influence on us will
often be something other than allowing us to win - as enjoyable as that
might be, there are things to be learned in victory, but probably even more
to be learned in defeat. Or the lesson may have nothing to do with whether
we win or lose that day.

I always got the impression last Sunday that Zach was not thanking Jesus for
letting him win the Masters, but for allowing to feel His presence and
giving him a feeling of "peaceful calm". For Zach, this was one of those
"feeling Him more than usual" days.

> So either Jesus doesn't care who wins a golf tournament or Jesus will
> decide the winner anyway so there really isn't much we can do about
> it.

The golf, and the winning or losing in general, are more likely just
incidental tools to whatever it is that Jesus may have been teaching Zach
last Sunday.

DJJ

Date: 11 Apr 2007 18:35:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 4:33 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> annika1980 <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 11:13 am, "M.N." <o...@mts.net> wrote:
> >> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
> >> way!!
> >> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
> >> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
> >> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>
> >> Many more victories to you !!
>
> > I wonder if you would have the same reaction had Zach said, "I'd like
> > to give thanks to the prophet Mohammad and Allah, the one true God."
>
> "I'd like to give thanks to BRET DOUGLAS, [ADDRESS HERE],
> CHATTANOOGA, TN [ZIP], [PHONE NUMBER], CHILD PREDATOR AND THE
> ONE TRUE GOD."
>
> That would rule.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Memberhttp://clist.org/

ROFL!!!

-Greg

Date: 11 Apr 2007 18:22:21
From: Bow Tie
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

It's amazing. Randy has made hundreds of posts about me. All of them
reaching an ultimate unpleasant conclusion. And now he gets his
panties in a wad because you assume a thing or two about him. Goose,
gander etc.

Ken

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Apr 11, 2:16 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com > wrote:
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Je-dnSqjf6u2gYDbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > The only thing obvious to you about me is what I tell you.
>
> Very true, as with everyone here.
>
>
>
> > Whatever subtleties lie beneath those comments are completely transparent
> > to you. Yet in your infinite wisdom, you draw conclusions based on these
> > nuggets of information.
>
> Again, as does everyone here. You sure came to a conclusion about Ken from a
> nugget of information.
>
>
>
> > Very telling.
>
> > And very presumptuous.
>
> > Do you teach your children to behave in the same manner, formulating their
> > opinions based on tiny shreds of evidence without making any effort to dig
> > deeper?
>
> Puhleeese, get off your high horse already.

Date: 11 Apr 2007 16:40:46
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 3:49 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, Zach never claimed that Jesus chose him to win.
> He just attributed his faith as a factor to his victory.
>
> So what!

If you attribute your faith to your victories then you must also use
it to explain your losses, right? By those standards, Jesus has a
worse W-L record than the Atlanta Hawks.

Date: 12 Apr 2007 05:16:57
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On 11-Apr-2007, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

> If you attribute your faith to your victories then you must also use
> it to explain your losses, right?

Why?

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 11 Apr 2007 12:49:54
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 12:39 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2:46 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Agree Darrell. I've seen other winner be much more presumptious about
> > God and their victories. I thought Zach said something important
> > about his faith, on Easter, in an honest, respectable fashion.
>
> What would the reaction have been if Greg Norman had said, "Well,
> Jesus screwed me once again!"? Or if Tiger had said, "I was playing
> great, but Jesus let me down. I've been forsaken."
>
> Can you imagine the uproar? Pitts would be doing backflips.
> Tiger would have been blasted "unmercifully" for bringing Jesus into
> it. And rightly so.

Just suppose...just suppose. Fact is Greg Norman or TW didn't say
that, nor likely believes that. When/if it happens, then sports fans
will deal with it.

Unless I'm mistaken, Zach never claimed that Jesus chose him to win.
He just attributed his faith as a factor to his victory.

So what!

-Greg

Date: 11 Apr 2007 12:40:43
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 11:13 am, "M.N." <o...@mts.net > wrote:
> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
> way!!
> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>
> Many more victories to you !!

I wonder if you would have the same reaction had Zach said, "I'd like
to give thanks to the prophet Mohammad and Allah, the one true God."

Date: 11 Apr 2007 23:33:15
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 11, 11:13 am, "M.N." <o...@mts.net> wrote:
>> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
>> way!!
>> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
>> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
>> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>>
>> Many more victories to you !!
>
> I wonder if you would have the same reaction had Zach said, "I'd like
> to give thanks to the prophet Mohammad and Allah, the one true God."

"I'd like to give thanks to BRET DOUGLAS, [ADDRESS HERE],
CHATTANOOGA, TN [ZIP], [PHONE NUMBER], CHILD PREDATOR AND THE
ONE TRUE GOD."

That would rule.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:18:16
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:33:15 -0000, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 11:13 am, "M.N." <o...@mts.net> wrote:
>>> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
>>> way!!
>>> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
>>> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
>>> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>>>
>>> Many more victories to you !!
>>
>> I wonder if you would have the same reaction had Zach said, "I'd like
>> to give thanks to the prophet Mohammad and Allah, the one true God."
>
>"I'd like to give thanks to BRET DOUGLAS, [ADDRESS HERE],
>CHATTANOOGA, TN [ZIP], [PHONE NUMBER], CHILD PREDATOR AND THE
>ONE TRUE GOD."
>
>That would rule.

I'll remember that for my RSG NW Champion speech.
--

jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 11 Apr 2007 14:42:31
From: frank ross
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

annika1980 wrote:
> On Apr 11, 11:13 am, "M.N." <o...@mts.net> wrote:
>> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
>> way!!
>> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
>> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
>> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>>
>> Many more victories to you !!
>
> I wonder if you would have the same reaction had Zach said, "I'd like
> to give thanks to the prophet Mohammad and Allah, the one true God."
>
Bingo.
Frank Ross

Date: 11 Apr 2007 12:39:05
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 2:46 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Agree Darrell. I've seen other winner be much more presumptious about
> God and their victories. I thought Zach said something important
> about his faith, on Easter, in an honest, respectable fashion.
>

What would the reaction have been if Greg Norman had said, "Well,
Jesus screwed me once again!"? Or if Tiger had said, "I was playing
great, but Jesus let me down. I've been forsaken."

Can you imagine the uproar? Pitts would be doing backflips.
Tiger would have been blasted "unmercifully" for bringing Jesus into
it. And rightly so.

Date: 11 Apr 2007 11:46:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

On Apr 11, 11:38 am, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com > wrote:
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9OudnesgMN1buIDbnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > But it does have something to do with Jesus "being there, every step of
> the
> > way" with those who didn't get to bask in victory by winning The Masters.
>
> > Randy
>
> Seems that all Zach was saying is that "feeling Jesus with him" gave him
> comfort, and that the calm helped him to play well. I very much doubt that
> if you asked him, Zach would say that "Jesus picked me to win and was not
> with anyone else." I would think that Badds, DL3, and the other professing
> Christians on the tour would tell you that Jesus was with them that day, but
> no one was interviewing them.
>
> Jesus might have been with Tiger as well, but since Tiger seems to be pretty
> areligious (except when he makes a bad shot), that presence might not have
> had much impact on him.
>
> DJJ

Agree Darrell. I've seen other winner be much more presumptious about
God and their victories. I thought Zach said something important
about his faith, on Easter, in an honest, respectable fashion.

-Greg

Ps. Hi Francis!

Date: 10 Apr 2007 19:12:16
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 11:43 am, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com > wrote:
> "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176154180.474471.66020@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 9, 5:21 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
>
> >> Only if he made a movie about global warming
>
> > Giving Hillary the day off?
>
> Evil never takes a day off. :-)

Not true... Pelosi was off one day last week... and so was Boxer...

>
> > Wouldn't it be cool to see the election come down to the two
> > Tennesseeans, Thompson and Gore?
>
> Then all we'd need is Jeb and Ellie May.

Jed??? :)

Date: 11 Apr 2007 11:43:58
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
news:1176257536.765796.261750@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 11:43 am, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176154180.474471.66020@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Apr 9, 5:21 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
>>
>> >> Only if he made a movie about global warming
>>
>> > Giving Hillary the day off?
>>
>> Evil never takes a day off. :-)
>
> Not true... Pelosi was off one day last week... and so was Boxer...
>
>>
>> > Wouldn't it be cool to see the election come down to the two
>> > Tennesseeans, Thompson and Gore?
>>
>> Then all we'd need is Jeb and Ellie May.
>
> Jed??? :)
>
Jethro

Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:15:31
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 3:38 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 6:14 pm, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > In bed with your laptop cause it's cheaper than drugs? Aren't you a
> > relatively newly wed? From what I read from you in this group she
> > wouldn't get much from you anyway
>
> Meanwhile, his wife is in the other room downloading pics of me.

As our friend Eric says......

"Dey ya go."

-Greg

-Greg

Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:14:25
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 3:14 pm, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 10, 5:36 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2:18 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:DpadnSvYP7yBZIbbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > > Just serves to remind me that my life was better in many ways when I had
> > > > you killfiled.
>
> > > > I may have to consider that move again.
>
> > > > Randy
>
> > > How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.
>
> > Hey.....Randy often affects about 8 hours of my life. It's midnight,
> > I'm in bed with my laptop. I start reading one of his "brief" posts
> > and......yawn.......zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
>
> > Cheaper than Ambien! ;>
>
> > -Greg
>
> In bed with your laptop cause it's cheaper than drugs? Aren't you a
> relatively newly wed? From what I read from you in this group she
> wouldn't get much from you anyway.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I was joking with Randy. That's obvious to those whose IQ exceeds
100.

-Greg

Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:11:31
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 3:35 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 1:35 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Muslims don't eat pork.
> > > Ok, I eat the hell outta pork so I'm just 3/4 Muslim.
>
> > Muslims aren't circumcised.....
>
> Now how the Hell would I know that?
> I'm guessin you got this info first hand.

More like my ex-girlfriend's hand. She dated a Lebanese.

-Greg

Date: 10 Apr 2007 15:38:00
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 6:14 pm, bigoldc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> In bed with your laptop cause it's cheaper than drugs? Aren't you a
> relatively newly wed? From what I read from you in this group she
> wouldn't get much from you anyway

Meanwhile, his wife is in the other room downloading pics of me.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 15:35:45
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 1:35 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
> > Muslims don't eat pork.
> > Ok, I eat the hell outta pork so I'm just 3/4 Muslim.
>
> Muslims aren't circumcised.....

Now how the Hell would I know that?
I'm guessin you got this info first hand.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 15:14:55
From:
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 5:36 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2:18 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:DpadnSvYP7yBZIbbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > > Just serves to remind me that my life was better in many ways when I had
> > > you killfiled.
>
> > > I may have to consider that move again.
>
> > > Randy
>
> > How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.
>
> Hey.....Randy often affects about 8 hours of my life. It's midnight,
> I'm in bed with my laptop. I start reading one of his "brief" posts
> and......yawn.......zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
>
> Cheaper than Ambien! ;>
>
> -Greg

In bed with your laptop cause it's cheaper than drugs? Aren't you a
relatively newly wed? From what I read from you in this group she
wouldn't get much from you anyway.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 14:59:13
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 9:42 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 12:21 am, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, at least we have something in common.
> > > I'm 3/4 Muslim myself.
>
> > Yeah.....right.
>
> It's true, I'm 3/4 Muslim.
>
> Muslims don't smoke.
> I don't smoke.
>
> Muslims don't drink.
> I don't drink.
>
> Muslims don't chase wild women.
> I don't chase wild women.
>
> Muslims don't eat pork.
> Ok, I eat the hell outta pork so I'm just 3/4 Muslim.

I was wondering who was going to bite.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 14:36:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 2:18 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com > wrote:
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote in message
>
> news:DpadnSvYP7yBZIbbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> > Just serves to remind me that my life was better in many ways when I had
> > you killfiled.
>
> > I may have to consider that move again.
>
> > Randy
>
> How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.

Hey.....Randy often affects about 8 hours of my life. It's midnight,
I'm in bed with my laptop. I start reading one of his "brief" posts
and......yawn.......zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Cheaper than Ambien! ; >

-Greg

Date: 10 Apr 2007 10:35:10
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 6:42 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 10, 12:21 am, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well, at least we have something in common.
> > > I'm 3/4 Muslim myself.
>
> > Yeah.....right.
>
> It's true, I'm 3/4 Muslim.
>
> Muslims don't smoke.
> I don't smoke.
>
> Muslims don't drink.
> I don't drink.
>
> Muslims don't chase wild women.
> I don't chase wild women.
>
> Muslims don't eat pork.
> Ok, I eat the hell outta pork so I'm just 3/4 Muslim.

Muslims aren't circumcised.....

Uh.....never mind.

-Greg

Date: 10 Apr 2007 06:42:29
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 10, 12:21 am, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:

> > Well, at least we have something in common.
> > I'm 3/4 Muslim myself.
>
> Yeah.....right.

It's true, I'm 3/4 Muslim.

Muslims don't smoke.
I don't smoke.

Muslims don't drink.
I don't drink.

Muslims don't chase wild women.
I don't chase wild women.

Muslims don't eat pork.
Ok, I eat the hell outta pork so I'm just 3/4 Muslim.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 06:27:18
From: p4o2
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

annika1980 wrote:
> (AUGUSTA, GA)
> April 8, 2007
>
> In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> serious threat.
>
> On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> year's "Champion's Supper."

Cult = bad; "born again" = good (even though there are more things in
common that many would admit)

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Apr 2007 21:21:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 9:15 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 11:09 pm, "Bow Tie" <ken_pitt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Where have I proclaimed my faith? Please cite a URL. Tecnically I am a
> > Muslim.
>
> Well, at least we have something in common.
> I'm 3/4 Muslim myself.

Yeah.....right.

-Greg

Date: 09 Apr 2007 21:15:57
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 11:09 pm, "Bow Tie" <ken_pitt...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Where have I proclaimed my faith? Please cite a URL. Tecnically I am a
> Muslim.

Well, at least we have something in common.
I'm 3/4 Muslim myself.

Date: 09 Apr 2007 20:09:26
From: Bow Tie
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

Where have I proclaimed my faith? Please cite a URL. Tecnically I am a
Muslim. I said the following in Arabic to an imam. "There is no god
but God and Mohammed is His prophet.".

I have been confused about deity and the hereafter my entire life. My
beliefs shift almost daily. Please don't try to put me in any box.

Are you going to start attacking me too? Pretty soon Dene and Pflum
will be the only ones who are not out to get me.

Why can't Tiger find his ideal self and learn to be a gentleman?

Ken

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Apr 9, 10:02 pm, Chris Bellomy <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> Bow Tie <ken_pitt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You claim to be a Christian, yet you show me no compassion at all.
>
> You claim to be a Christian, yet you show a young man 25 years your
> junior no compassion at all. Seems a lot of people fall short of
> being their ideal selves, ya know?
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Memberhttp://clist.org/

Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:53:31
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"Bow Tie" <ken_pittsjr@yahoo.com > wrote ...
>
> Where have I proclaimed my faith? Please cite a URL. Tecnically I am a
> Muslim. I said the following in Arabic to an imam. "There is no god
> but God and Mohammed is His prophet.".

What one says means nothing. What's in one's heart is all that matters.

> I have been confused about deity and the hereafter my entire life. My
> beliefs shift almost daily. Please don't try to put me in any box.

This explains more than you will ever know.

Without some form of spiritual/moral compass (notice I purposefully avoided
calling it a religious affiliation of some kind), it's hard to imagine how
any discussion with you about anything pertaining to morality has can ever
go anywhere other than in circles. Certainly, coming from your side, it
can't have a basis in anything other than fantasy. And as you say, your
point of reference about such matters changes from day to day, so pinning
you down is like trying to hit a moving target. Which explains why you've
been so slippery about this over the years. Only last night, for the first
time in over ten years, did you actually fess up to having a bone up your
butt about Tiger since before he turned pro.

So what's prompting this sudden and unexpected display of uncharacteristic
candor and honestly, Ken? Were you recently diagnosed with terminal cancer
or something and now you're trying to square things with the universe? (I
hope it's nothing that serious, but I do wonder what brought on this
frankness, seemingly out of the clear blue.)

Just serves to remind me that my life was better in many ways when I had you
killfiled.

I may have to consider that move again.

Randy

Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:18:46
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:DpadnSvYP7yBZIbbnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> Just serves to remind me that my life was better in many ways when I had
> you killfiled.
>
> I may have to consider that move again.
>
> Randy
>
How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 23:56:48
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote
>>
> How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.

How revealing that you would think you have a clue as to what affects me and
how.

Randy

Date: 11 Apr 2007 11:45:06
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:2MydnVYFZrHNwYHbnZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote
>>>
>> How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.
>
>
> How revealing that you would think you have a clue as to what affects me
> and how.
>
> Randy
You just stated how much better your life would be by mearly putting someone
in your killfile.It obviously affects you.

Date: 11 Apr 2007 13:35:24
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:584hkkF2f40ccU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:2MydnVYFZrHNwYHbnZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote
>>>>
>>> How sad that you let Usenet affect you this much.
>>
>>
>> How revealing that you would think you have a clue as to what affects me
>> and how.
>>
>> Randy
> You just stated how much better your life would be by mearly putting
> someone in your killfile.It obviously affects you.

The only thing obvious to you about me is what I tell you.

Whatever subtleties lie beneath those comments are completely transparent to
you. Yet in your infinite wisdom, you draw conclusions based on these
nuggets of information.

Very telling.

And very presumptuous.

Do you teach your children to behave in the same manner, formulating their
opinions based on tiny shreds of evidence without making any effort to dig
deeper?

Randy

Date: 11 Apr 2007 14:16:04
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:Je-dnSqjf6u2gYDbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> The only thing obvious to you about me is what I tell you.

Very true, as with everyone here.
>
> Whatever subtleties lie beneath those comments are completely transparent
> to you. Yet in your infinite wisdom, you draw conclusions based on these
> nuggets of information.

Again, as does everyone here. You sure came to a conclusion about Ken from a
nugget of information.

>
> Very telling.
>
> And very presumptuous.
>
> Do you teach your children to behave in the same manner, formulating their
> opinions based on tiny shreds of evidence without making any effort to dig
> deeper?
>
Puhleeese, get off your high horse already.

Date: 12 Apr 2007 01:03:29
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:584qflF2en426U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:Je-dnSqjf6u2gYDbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> The only thing obvious to you about me is what I tell you.
>
> Very true, as with everyone here.
>>
>> Whatever subtleties lie beneath those comments are completely transparent
>> to you. Yet in your infinite wisdom, you draw conclusions based on these
>> nuggets of information.
>
> Again, as does everyone here. You sure came to a conclusion about Ken from
> a nugget of information.

Yeah, right. Eleven years of nuggets.

>> Very telling.
>>
>> And very presumptuous.
>>
>> Do you teach your children to behave in the same manner, formulating
>> their opinions based on tiny shreds of evidence without making any effort
>> to dig deeper?
>>
> Puhleeese, get off your high horse already.

And leave you sitting atop yours? Guess again, genius.

Randy

Date: 10 Apr 2007 04:06:39
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

Bow Tie <ken_pittsjr@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Where have I proclaimed my faith?

Crap, you're right. Mea maxima culpa.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 10 Apr 2007 03:27:36
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On 9 Apr 2007 20:09:26 -0700, "Bow Tie" <ken_pittsjr@yahoo.com > wrote:

> Pretty soon Dene and Pflum will be the only ones who are not out to get me.

KEN!!! Out to get you???? Get a grip.
--
___,
\o

Date: 09 Apr 2007 19:49:23
From: Bow Tie
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

For once, I agree with you.

I would prefer something like "I thank God for giving me the strength
and motivation to achieve this victory.". Leave it at that. No
religious tirades please.

You claim to be a Christian, yet you show me no compassion at all.
Only disdain and the back of your hand. Just because we disagree, I
have become a nobody whose opinion does not matter. Maybe you should
remember me when you pray this evening. God bless you. Really.

Ken

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Apr 9, 2:21 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
> I completely understand the spirit with which Christians often give credit
> to Jesus. What they're really saying is that He was with them (or as some
> would say, He's with all who believe) to bring a sense of calm and serenity
> in times of turmoil. I got that part. I've even said it myself.
>
> But as a Christian (and an admittedly imperfect one at that), I also think
> it actually CHEAPENS one's faith when it's expressed in these types of
> settings. To say that "I won because Jesus was with me" is like saying "He
> was with me, and it's a good thing he wasn't with my nearest competitors or
> else I'd have been toast," as if one is claiming a unique pipeline to the
> Almighty To claim such a thing expresses a degree of selfishness and
> self-centeredness that, in my view, is the very opposite of what the
> Christian faith espouses.
>
> I know it's intended in a spirit different than the one it seems to convey.
> But it does convey that wrong spirit to me, and I know it does to many
> others. Including many Christians. God does, indeed, have better things to
> do than interfere with the outcome of a golf tournament.
>
> There. Now I've broached both subjects one should never bring up for
> discussion -- religion and politics.
>
> And on this one, I won't go much further.
>
> Randy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Date: 09 Apr 2007 23:10:23
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"Bow Tie" <ken_pittsjr@yahoo.com > wrote ...
> For once, I agree with you.
>
> I would prefer something like "I thank God for giving me the strength
> and motivation to achieve this victory.". Leave it at that. No
> religious tirades please.
>
> You claim to be a Christian, yet you show me no compassion at all.
> Only disdain and the back of your hand. Just because we disagree, I
> have become a nobody whose opinion does not matter. Maybe you should
> remember me when you pray this evening. God bless you. Really.
>
> Ken

You're a nobody. I'm a nobody. We're all a bunch of nobodies whose
opinions won't make an ounce of difference concerning the issue that you
have continued to insist on discussing for over ten years. Tiger doesn't
care what anyone thinks. And why should he? That was my point.

And as for my own faith, let's just say I'm not a religious fanatic or a
"fundamentalist" by any stretch. I'm imperfect, and I never claim to be
anything but. I call things as I see them.

What annoys me so about your perennial tirades about Tiger is that you
haven't made a new point in over eight years about it. You just keep
beating the same drum. It's tired.

We get it already. Your complaint has been duly registered. No one here
can do anything about it, and most don't consider it an issue worthy of the
kind of concern you show over it.

What part of that is so hard to understand? You might as well be talking to
a forest of trees.

Come to think of it, I recommend you do just that. You're just as likely to
find the kind of support you're seeking for your crusade there as you ever
will here.

We just don't care, and most of us find you to be the textbook example of a
hypocrite when you demand behavior of another person -- celebrity or
otherwise -- that you, yourself, aren't willing to live by.

Randy

Date: 10 Apr 2007 03:02:53
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

Bow Tie <ken_pittsjr@yahoo.com > wrote:

> You claim to be a Christian, yet you show me no compassion at all.

You claim to be a Christian, yet you show a young man 25 years your
junior no compassion at all. Seems a lot of people fall short of
being their ideal selves, ya know?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 09 Apr 2007 14:51:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 1:43 pm, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 12:53 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > To Zach's credit, he said a simple statement about his faith. I
> > didn't hear him say that Jesus made him win. I agree....God has
> > better things to do.
>
> He said that jesus was walking with him as well as his dead
> grandfather.
> This leads to a few questions:
>
> 1. Does Jesus ALWAYS walk with him?

He Flows....

> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?

Nope....unless there was a signficant inheiritance. Isn't that why
you worship BK?

> 3. Does Jesus walk with all the golfers? If not, how does he choose?
> If so, then why bring it up?

Cuz it was Easter and it was a miracle Tiger lost......

-Greg

Date: 09 Apr 2007 14:29:40
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 5:21 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com > wrote:
> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
>
> Only if he made a movie about global warming

Giving Hillary the day off?

Dang, at least let the guy announce before you start ragging him.
You don't see me dissin Fred Thompson yet, do ya?

Wouldn't it be cool to see the election come down to the two
Tennesseeans, Thompson and Gore?

Date: 10 Apr 2007 10:43:48
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176154180.474471.66020@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 5:21 pm, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
>>
>> Only if he made a movie about global warming
>
> Giving Hillary the day off?

Evil never takes a day off. :-)
>
>
> Wouldn't it be cool to see the election come down to the two
> Tennesseeans, Thompson and Gore?
>
Then all we'd need is Jeb and Ellie May. Didn't Gore already say he wouldnt
run? Though that would sure throw a wrench into the Obama/Hillary spectacle.

Date: 10 Apr 2007 03:52:44
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On 9-Apr-2007, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

> Wouldn't it be cool to see the election come down to the two
> Tennesseeans, Thompson and Gore?

The Republicans would probably think so.

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Apr 2007 13:43:56
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 12:53 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com > wrote:
> To Zach's credit, he said a simple statement about his faith. I
> didn't hear him say that Jesus made him win. I agree....God has
> better things to do.
>

He said that jesus was walking with him as well as his dead
grandfather.
This leads to a few questions:

1. Does Jesus ALWAYS walk with him?
2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
3. Does Jesus walk with all the golfers? If not, how does he choose?
If so, then why bring it up?

Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:21:25
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176151436.409838.213350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> He said that jesus was walking with him as well as his dead
> grandfather.
> This leads to a few questions:
>
> 1. Does Jesus ALWAYS walk with him?
Sometimes the use a cart.
> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
Only if he made a movie about global warming
> 3. Does Jesus walk with all the golfers? If not, how does he choose?
Whomever brings the better beer

Date: 09 Apr 2007 21:12:27
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 12:53 pm, "Dene" <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>> To Zach's credit, he said a simple statement about his faith. I
>> didn't hear him say that Jesus made him win. I agree....God has
>> better things to do.
>>
>
> He said that jesus was walking with him as well as his dead
> grandfather.
> This leads to a few questions:
>
> 1. Does Jesus ALWAYS walk with him?
> 2 Should Johnson's grandfather be worshipped?
> 3. Does Jesus walk with all the golfers? If not, how does he choose?
> If so, then why bring it up?

4. Do they read putts?
5. Are they for hire?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 09 Apr 2007 13:33:44
From: me
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 9, 3:21 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
[snip]
> I know it's intended in a spirit different than the one it seems to convey.
> But it does convey that wrong spirit to me, and I know it does to many
> others. Including many Christians. God does, indeed, have better things to
> do than interfere with the outcome of a golf tournament.

I must admit I've always prefered the phrase "my faith helped
me concentrate and play my best" as oppose to the more popular
"Jesus was with me". The former says you won, and part
of your ability was your faith. The other does leave the implication
that Jesus was playing favorites some how.

> There. Now I've broached both subjects one should never bring up for
> discussion -- religion and politics.
>
> And on this one, I won't go much further.

The other Bobby Knight, the basketball one, said it best when
he saw Steve Alford praying before a game. "Steve, if you
think God is gonna help any team of MINE, you're wasting
your time".

Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:53:43
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com > wrote:
> "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176074199.725607.10940@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > (AUGUSTA, GA)
> > April 8, 2007
>
> > In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> > glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> > fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> > Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> > serious threat.
>
> > On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> > as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> > old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> > Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> > his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> > today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> > year's "Champion's Supper."
>
> How come Christians never thank Jesus when they lose?

I played 4 rounds of golf with my uncle and his cronies in Az. I
heard a lot about God and Jesus whenever they chunked a chip, 3
putted, or put one in the desert.

> "I know I three-jacked that last hole that would have gotten me into a
> playoff, but I thank my Lord and Savior for being there with me and causing
> that second putt to lip out to prevent the embarrassment of me losing in a
> playoff and having to make that walk back up the 10th fairway."
>
> I'd really like to think my Savior has better things to do on Easter Sunday
> than concern himself over who wins a golf tournament.

To Zach's credit, he said a simple statement about his faith. I
didn't hear him say that Jesus made him win. I agree....God has
better things to do.

-Greg

Date: 09 Apr 2007 15:21:23
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176137623.063207.162530@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusin...@all.com> wrote:
>> "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176074199.725607.10940@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > (AUGUSTA, GA)
>> > April 8, 2007
>>
>> > In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
>> > glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
>> > fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
>> > Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
>> > serious threat.
>>
>> > On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
>> > as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
>> > old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
>> > Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
>> > his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
>> > today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
>> > year's "Champion's Supper."
>>
>> How come Christians never thank Jesus when they lose?
>
> I played 4 rounds of golf with my uncle and his cronies in Az. I
> heard a lot about God and Jesus whenever they chunked a chip, 3
> putted, or put one in the desert.
>
>> "I know I three-jacked that last hole that would have gotten me into a
>> playoff, but I thank my Lord and Savior for being there with me and
>> causing
>> that second putt to lip out to prevent the embarrassment of me losing in
>> a
>> playoff and having to make that walk back up the 10th fairway."
>>
>> I'd really like to think my Savior has better things to do on Easter
>> Sunday
>> than concern himself over who wins a golf tournament.
>
> To Zach's credit, he said a simple statement about his faith. I
> didn't hear him say that Jesus made him win. I agree....God has
> better things to do.
>
> -Greg

I completely understand the spirit with which Christians often give credit
to Jesus. What they're really saying is that He was with them (or as some
would say, He's with all who believe) to bring a sense of calm and serenity
in times of turmoil. I got that part. I've even said it myself.

But as a Christian (and an admittedly imperfect one at that), I also think
it actually CHEAPENS one's faith when it's expressed in these types of
settings. To say that "I won because Jesus was with me" is like saying "He
was with me, and it's a good thing he wasn't with my nearest competitors or
else I'd have been toast," as if one is claiming a unique pipeline to the
Almighty To claim such a thing expresses a degree of selfishness and
self-centeredness that, in my view, is the very opposite of what the
Christian faith espouses.

I know it's intended in a spirit different than the one it seems to convey.
But it does convey that wrong spirit to me, and I know it does to many
others. Including many Christians. God does, indeed, have better things to
do than interfere with the outcome of a golf tournament.

There. Now I've broached both subjects one should never bring up for
discussion -- religion and politics.

And on this one, I won't go much further.

Randy

Date: 11 Apr 2007 10:13:54
From: M.N.
Subject: Way to GO Zach

I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
way!!
what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.

Many more victories to you !!

Date: 11 Apr 2007 12:07:49
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

M.N. wrote:
> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
> way!!
> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>
> Many more victories to you !!
>
>

I guess that Jesus wasn't with everyone else, then. You wouldn't think
of Jesus as someone who would play favorites like that, would you?

--
Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2007: June 22-24----Lawsonia!
Website: http://clubdoctor.com/rsgwis2007

Date: 11 Apr 2007 13:15:26
From: 3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"Mike Dalecki" <mike@removeclubdoctor.com > wrote in message
news:584iv5F2dti6eU1@mid.individual.net...
> M.N. wrote:
>> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
>> way!!
>> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
>> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory over
>> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>>
>> Many more victories to you !!
>>
>>
>
> I guess that Jesus wasn't with everyone else, then. You wouldn't think of
> Jesus as someone who would play favorites like that, would you?
>
> --
> Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com

Has nothing to do with Jesus picking a favorite.

Date: 11 Apr 2007 14:16:24
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"3Putt from CoastalSouth Carolina" <3putt@PawleysIslandSC > wrote in message
news:461d17a2$0$19440$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Mike Dalecki" <mike@removeclubdoctor.com> wrote in message
> news:584iv5F2dti6eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> M.N. wrote:
>>> I believe Zach said that he could feel Jesus with him, every step of the
>>> way!!
>>> what a credit to the Lord Jesus!! On Easter!! A holiday where Christians
>>> celebrate the raising from the dead of Jesus Christ. Showing victory
>>> over
>>> death and sin. Amen to Zach and his public showing of his faith.
>>>
>>> Many more victories to you !!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I guess that Jesus wasn't with everyone else, then. You wouldn't think
>> of Jesus as someone who would play favorites like that, would you?

But it does have something to do with Jesus "being there, every step of the
way" with those who didn't get to bask in victory by winning The Masters.

Randy

Date: 11 Apr 2007 18:38:01
From: Darrell Jefress
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:9OudnesgMN1buIDbnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com...

> But it does have something to do with Jesus "being there, every step of
the
> way" with those who didn't get to bask in victory by winning The Masters.
>
> Randy

Seems that all Zach was saying is that "feeling Jesus with him" gave him
comfort, and that the calm helped him to play well. I very much doubt that
if you asked him, Zach would say that "Jesus picked me to win and was not
with anyone else." I would think that Badds, DL3, and the other professing
Christians on the tour would tell you that Jesus was with them that day, but
no one was interviewing them.

Jesus might have been with Tiger as well, but since Tiger seems to be pretty
areligious (except when he makes a bad shot), that presence might not have
had much impact on him.

DJJ

Date: 11 Apr 2007 18:59:15
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"Darrell Jefress" <evely7@tokyo.com > wrote in message
news:dW9Th.283592$5j1.104101@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:9OudnesgMN1buIDbnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>> But it does have something to do with Jesus "being there, every step of
> the
>> way" with those who didn't get to bask in victory by winning The Masters.
>>
>> Randy
>
> Seems that all Zach was saying is that "feeling Jesus with him" gave him
> comfort, and that the calm helped him to play well.

JHC - it's all such crap.

"I want to thank my personal God for being with me every step of the way -
regardless of the outcome - since he doesn't really effect the outcome -
because that would be unfair - but it makes me really feel good to tell you
that I *feel* like he was with me and helped me win. I won because my
personal relationship with Jesus is much closer than the other guys on Gods
team - and He is a little miffed right now with the Jews and Muslims and
especially those Mormons and Scientologists. Heck, I ate fish on Fridays
all lent long, and got up to go to church at 5am so I could play in the
Tournament. I was reborn on the 4th of July. God can't hit a 1-iron, but
with Jesus as my caddie - I can."

Sort-of the continued trivialization of Christ/God/Religion. The mindless
wearing of your "faith" on your sleeve.

WWJD? Brag about how he made the win possible? That *this* was the most
important project he had for the week?

Date: 12 Apr 2007 01:07:11
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Way to GO Zach

"FredK" <fred.nospam@google.com > wrote
>
> WWJD? Brag about how he made the win possible? That *this* was the most
> important project he had for the week?

WWJD?

I'm guessing he would have bet on Tiger to win.

Randy

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 08 Apr 2007 19:56:01
From: No cameras and shut up
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Apr 8, 1:05 pm, Aress Gee <invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
> John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org> writes:
>
>
>
> > On 8 Apr 2007 16:16:39 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >(AUGUSTA, GA)
> > >April 8, 2007
>
> > >In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> > >glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> > >fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> > >Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> > >serious threat.
>
> > >On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> > >as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> > >old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> > >Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> > >his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> > >today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> > >year's "Champion's Supper."
>
> > What about the explosion on the 16th green when Mohammad set off his
> > suicide jacket after four putting from 10'? I'd say that was a
> > turning point in the round.
>
> I feel bad for Jesus's bookie. Jesus backs the winner
> every damn week!
>
> Now just a dang minute.. Jesus was very upset with the
Money changers in the Temple. He would not be a betting
Man. Of course that ..was THEN ....This is now ...::::
>

+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
> Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
> Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
> +++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:20:02
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

Who in the hell is Jesus?

Otto

Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:53:00
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:20:02 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote:

>Who in the hell is Jesus?
>
>
>Otto
>

http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/68/59/

Date: 09 Apr 2007 10:35:32
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"Baby Jesus is my favorite Jesus."

-Ricky Bobby

Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:11:13
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On 8 Apr 2007 16:16:39 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

>(AUGUSTA, GA)
>April 8, 2007
>
>In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
>glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
>fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
>Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
>serious threat.
>
>On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
>as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
>old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
>Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
>his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
>today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
>year's "Champion's Supper."

What about the explosion on the 16th green when Mohammad set off his
suicide jacket after four putting from 10'? I'd say that was a
turning point in the round.
--

jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 08 Apr 2007 15:05:07
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > writes:

> On 8 Apr 2007 16:16:39 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >(AUGUSTA, GA)
> >April 8, 2007
> >
> >In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> >glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> >fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> >Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> >serious threat.
> >
> >On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> >as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> >old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> >Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> >his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> >today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> >year's "Champion's Supper."
>
> What about the explosion on the 16th green when Mohammad set off his
> suicide jacket after four putting from 10'? I'd say that was a
> turning point in the round.

I feel bad for Jesus's bookie. Jesus backs the winner
every damn week!

--
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:09:20
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1176074199.725607.10940@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> (AUGUSTA, GA)
> April 8, 2007
>
> In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> serious threat.
>
> On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> year's "Champion's Supper."

How come Christians never thank Jesus when they lose?

"I know I three-jacked that last hole that would have gotten me into a
playoff, but I thank my Lord and Savior for being there with me and causing
that second putt to lip out to prevent the embarrassment of me losing in a
playoff and having to make that walk back up the 10th fairway."

I'd really like to think my Savior has better things to do on Easter Sunday
than concern himself over who wins a golf tournament.

Randy

Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:27:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
> (AUGUSTA, GA)
> April 8, 2007
>
> In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> serious threat.
>
> On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> year's "Champion's Supper."

Maybe the Rev can get you those practice round tix.

Nice post. I had something similar going in my brain... glad I don't
have to write it now.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 08 Apr 2007 16:22:46
From: MMan
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

annika1980 wrote:
> (AUGUSTA, GA)
> April 8, 2007
>
> In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
> glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
> fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
> Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
> serious threat.
>
> On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
> as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
> old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
> Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
> his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
> today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
> year's "Champion's Supper."

For the 71st straight Masters, Allah has failed to make the cut.

Date: 08 Apr 2007 17:13:18
From: Bob L
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

"MMan" <mman37x@cs.com > wrote in message
news:1176074566.530731.197460@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>> (AUGUSTA, GA)
>> April 8, 2007
>>
>> In a miraculous display of golf on this Easter Sunday, Jesus played a
>> glorious round to hold off a hard-charging Buddha. The favored Buddha
>> fought a balky putter on the back-9 as Jesus once again reigned
>> Supreme. Defending Champion, Satan, had a rough start and was never a
>> serious threat.
>>
>> On route to his Glorious victory, Jesus even entertained the patrons
>> as he skipped across the pond fronting the 16th green. This led some
>> old-time patrons to remark, "Who does he think he is .... Bobby
>> Jones?" When interviewed later in the Butler Cabin, Jesus explained
>> his fine play on this Easter Sunday. "I was really rolling the stone
>> today," he said. "This one was for Dad. Now I can't wait for next
>> year's "Champion's Supper."
>
> For the 71st straight Masters, Allah has failed to make the cut.
>

LOL!!

Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:09:58
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

Date: 08 Apr 2007 23:33:32
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Jesus Wins The Masters!

On 8 Apr 2007 16:22:46 -0700, "MMan" <mman37x@cs.com > wrote:

>
>For the 71st straight Masters, Allah has failed to make the cut.

Guess there are more important things than golf, huh?
___,
\o